2020 Democrat primary debates

[Tgo01]

“We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close. We will lay the foundation for landing American astronauts on the surface of Mars.”

He didn't promise to CURE AIDS though. There is a big difference between "eradicating AIDS in America" and "I promise to cure AIDS if elected."

[Methais]

I like Tulsi Gabbard for a nom, but don't think she'll ever get it.

I bet she still has nice vagina though.

[Alfster]

He didn't promise to CURE AIDS though. There is a big difference between "eradicating AIDS in America" and "I promise to cure AIDS if elected."

Okay. Trump promised to cure cancer and eradicate AIDS. Biden promised to cure cancer and you were outraged. Lol

[Tgo01]

Okay. Trump promised to cure cancer and eradicate AIDS. Biden promised to cure cancer and you were outraged. Lol

Again this sounded more like Trump’s meandering between several thoughts at once rather than a flat out “I promise to cure cancer.” Biden actually used the word “promise”, there is no mistaking here.

And again again if Trump was saying he was going to cure cancer then he is an idiot too.

It is interesting how no one cared when Biden was making absurd promises, but now that Trump said something similar it’s all over the news. Almost as if the media isn’t being the slightest bit honest with themselves or their audience. It’s just “Fuck Trump” no matter what.

[Gelston]

If elected, I will eradicate all diseases.

[Methais]

Oh Dreav baby! Your voice sounded SO HAWT!!!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/b0/e5/bcb0e557f1e70b44771e0b68c2ef16c0.gif

Just think of all the gay porn this loser willingly looked at before settling on which gifs to use.

https://media.tenor.com/images/a170ca13e7ad99049d65ade3ba83ab34/tenor.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think it's funny people care enough to create an alt to troll.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Or I guess what is more likely, they created an alt because they got banned?

[Tgo01]

Or I guess what is more likely, they created an alt because they got banned?

Yeah it's probably sellstuff1 again.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dem debates look like they are gonna get UGLY.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/19/de-blasio-slams-biden-with-n-word-tweet-after-he-fondly-recalls-racist-senator/

“It’s 2019 & @JoeBiden is longing for the good old days of ‘civility’ typified by James Eastland. Eastland thought my multiracial family should be illegal & that whites were entitled to ‘the pursuit of dead n—-rs,’” de Blasio wrote on Twitter, along with a photo of his African-American wife and their mixed-race son and daughter."

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Also this regards the reparations bill today.

Rep. Louie Gohmert: "It is important that we know our history and we not punish people today for the sins of their predecessors in the Democratic Party."

Yeah booooiiiiiii!

[Tgo01]

Dem debates look like they are gonna get UGLY.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/19/de-blasio-slams-biden-with-n-word-tweet-after-he-fondly-recalls-racist-senator/

“It’s 2019 & @JoeBiden is longing for the good old days of ‘civility’ typified by James Eastland. Eastland thought my multiracial family should be illegal & that whites were entitled to ‘the pursuit of dead n—-rs,’” de Blasio wrote on Twitter, along with a photo of his African-American wife and their mixed-race son and daughter."

People are so coddled these days. "He disagrees with me! He must be racist!"

Read some of the shit that senator said, WHILE BEING A SITTING US SENATOR, if you want to see what actual racism looks like.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Holy shit Biden is getting roasted. Spartacus is probably gonna get all fucking bent out of shape. Dems gonna railroad sleepy joe right off my the stage. Creepy joe? I like that better.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/19/734103488/democrats-blast-biden-for-recalling-civil-relationship-with-segregationists

[Parkbandit]

If you are going to be a Democrat these days.. you have to be militant and angry.. or you'll be shouted down.

Sleepy Joe doesn't stand a chance.

[Gelston]

I think he does. The majority of Democrats aren't super far left like pretty every candidate that isn't Biden. The most vocal ones are.

[Tgo01]

How can a Democrat top Medicare for all, free college, the green new deal, slavery reparations, and the myriad of other giveaways the Democrats have already promised? Elizabeth Warren has the answer! GAY reparations!

Let's just be thankful she hasn't yet promised to find a cure for homosexuality.

[Gelston]

How can a Democrat top Medicare for all, free college, the green new deal, slavery reparations, and the myriad of other giveaways the Democrats have already promised? Elizabeth Warren has the answer! GAY reparations!

Let's just be thankful she hasn't yet promised to find a cure for homosexuality.

How would you even give out gay reparations? I mean, at least with slavery you can trace it back in a lot of cases. With gay though? I mean... You could just be like "I'm gay, give me money."

[Stumplicker]

How would you even give out gay reparations? I mean, at least with slavery you can trace it back in a lot of cases. With gay though? I mean... You could just be like "I'm gay, give me money."

Uh, if there aren't historical records of the gays, what do you call this?!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4QToxfG1s

[Ashlander]

How would you even give out gay reparations? I mean, at least with slavery you can trace it back in a lot of cases. With gay though? I mean... You could just be like "I'm gay, give me money."

Clearly you have to be a in video of you both giving and taking it at the same time.

[Neveragain]

How can a Democrat top Medicare for all, free college, the green new deal, slavery reparations, and the myriad of other giveaways the Democrats have already promised? Elizabeth Warren has the answer! GAY reparations!

Let's just be thankful she hasn't yet promised to find a cure for homosexuality.

The ultimate victim:

https://s.abcnews.com/images/theview/190111_view_lemon_1132_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

[Methais]

The ultimate victim:

https://s.abcnews.com/images/theview/190111_view_lemon_1132_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

Not anymore, he's too CiS and gender binary.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ougz6Jkswew/hqdefault.jpg

[Taernath]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DampRingedElver-size_restricted.gif

[Taernath]

Beto speaking in English AND Spanish for twice the time! I like the cut of his jib.

[Tgo01]

So far it sounds like the Democrats all want manufacturing jobs to come back to the US and create more jobs here.

Basically they want to follow in Trump's footsteps.

[Gelston]

Beto is faker than Elizabeth Warren. I still believe it'll be Biden.

[Taernath]

Inslee, Delaney, and Ryan namedropped my union.

https://i.imgur.com/It5pprg.gif

[Tgo01]

Dumbshit Booker says Medicare's overhead is only 2%. Is that including the massive fraud? I'm guessing not.

[Tgo01]

They really are pushing for killing unborn children on demand. They are squeezing it in as much as possible.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You guys are triggered. None of the fools mean jack shit for 16 months.

[Gelston]

You guys are triggered. None of the fools mean jack shit for 16 months.

None of them mean anything except for who is going to be running as Biden's VP.

[Tgo01]

You guys are triggered. None of the fools mean jack shit for 16 months.

The debates are going on, that's what this thread is for discussing, you dork.

[Gelston]

Cory Booker sounded like drunk speak when speaking Spanish.

[Tgo01]

Why these fuckers keep speaking Spanish? They running for president of the US or Mexico?

[Taernath]

Cory Booker sounded like drunk speak when speaking Spanish.

He's got them crazy eyes.

[Gelston]

This Spanish speaking stuff is annoying me. Julian Castro sounds like he knows wtf he is talking about though.

[Tgo01]

I had to turn the debates off. It was more of a shitshow than I thought it was going to be.

I'll watch the one with Biden because I want to see everyone attacking Biden even though everyone promised to play nice.

[Wrathbringer]

Why these fuckers keep speaking Spanish? They running for president of the US or Mexico?

Thanks to democrap's border policies there isn't much of a difference anymore. We're North Mexico now.

[Gelston]

I had to turn the debates off. It was more of a shitshow than I thought it was going to be.

I'll watch the one with Biden because I want to see everyone attacking Biden even though everyone promised to play nice.

It is because MSNBC is running it. It is entertaining to me.

[Gelston]

Tim Ryan said terrorists in Gitmo are getting better treatment than the people at the border.

[Gelston]

Moving to Iran now.

[Gelston]

Everyone said they'd all sign back on to the original Nuclear deal, except Cory Booker.

He didn't say exactly what sort of deal he'd negotiate out though.

[Tgo01]

Everyone said they'd all sign back on to the original Nuclear deal, except Cory Booker.

He didn't say exactly what sort of deal he'd negotiate out though.

What a bunch of tards.

Seriously what is Democrats' obsession with Iran? It's like they go out of their way to be friendly to countries who are hostile towards the US.

They even cozied up to Russia until they figured it was more politically advantageous to throw them under the bus by accusing Trump of being a Russian stooge.

[Gelston]

Trump just posted on FB....

BORING!

[Taernath]

All of them are pushing agreeable positions to me, nobody is really standing out except for the three I mentioned earlier, but more likely than not they will not make it much further. Beto is reminding me a little of Napoleon Dynamite.

[Gelston]

Tomorrow night will be better. It has Biden and Sanders.

[Gelston]

All of them are pushing agreeable positions to me, nobody is really standing out except for the three I mentioned earlier, but more likely than not they will not make it much further. Beto is reminding me a little of Napoleon Dynamite.

rofl

[Gelston]

Hahaha, MSNBC left EVERYONE'S mics on.

[Taernath]

I WANNA TALK ABOUT GUNS

[Tgo01]

All of them are pushing agreeable positions to me, nobody is really standing out except for the three I mentioned earlier, but more likely than not they will not make it much further. Beto is reminding me a little of Napoleon Dynamite.

You're for open borders?

[Tgo01]

Have they talked about the massive giveaways yet? I know they all pushed Medicare for all, what about slavery reparations, gay reparations, free college, and student loan forgiveness?

[Gelston]

I WANNA TALK ABOUT GUNS

They can't talk about anything. They can't figure out how to work the mics.

[Gelston]

And Elizabeth Warren dodges the question about what to do with guns already out there.

[Gelston]

And Cory Booker is acting like he is from the Ghetto.

[Tgo01]

And Elizabeth Warren dodges the question about what to do with guns already out there.

Why not just buy them all back at 10 times the original sale's price? Give away more money!

[Taernath]

You're for open borders?

A couple were talking about decriminalizing border crossings in the sense they'd be civil violations not criminal violations, I haven't decided how I feel about that yet.

[Taernath]

And Elizabeth Warren dodges the question about what to do with guns already out there.

It was a minor dodge, she said she didn't care about collectors, just about people who might not have good intentions.

[Gelston]

They are all retarded when they keep saying "weapons of war". I can't go grab a M240B and chill. "Weapons of War" are already not easily able to be obtained.

[Gelston]

It was a minor dodge, she said she didn't care about collectors, just about people who might not have good intentions.

It was a complete dodge. She was asked what to do about the weapons already out there. She didn't say at all what she would do, just that she wouldn't focus on collectors.

[Gelston]

Cory Booker wants licensing to buy a firearm, comparing a 2nd Amendment Right to driving a car.

[Tgo01]

just about people who might not have good intentions.

That's a cop out. I think everyone is worried about people with bad intentions owning guns.

[Gelston]

Oh on, de Blasio was worried about raising a black son in America... You know, that rich ass dude.

[Gelston]

This crowd is applauding Warren just saying "I do".

[Gelston]

This is making me tired. I'm going to switch to youtube and watch total war streams and go to bed.

[Tgo01]

A couple were talking about decriminalizing border crossings in the sense they'd be civil violations not criminal violations, I haven't decided how I feel about that yet.

There are already civil penalties. In fact most people who cross the border illegally aren't criminally prosecuted, unless they are repeat offenders or have had criminal convictions in the past.

Saying we are going to scale back on border enforcement, open up our borders, and oh yeah just give people a slap on the wrist if they happen to be caught illegally crossing is basically open borders. The only thing missing is tearing down the sections of wall we already have, which I know at least Beto has said he would do in the past.

[Taernath]

Cory Booker wants licensing to buy a firearm, comparing a 2nd Amendment Right to driving a car.

Pretty similar to how I feel, and I'm a gun owner.

I think Booker was the only I'd give a +1 on the gun category to imo.

[Tgo01]

Democrats lamenting a young girl drowning trying to illegally enter the US with her father.

This was of course sandwiched between them all celebrating killing millions of unborn children and promising to protect the "rights" of women to keep killing their unborn children.

How does anyone take Democrats seriously about the border debate?

[~Rocktar~]

Pretty similar to how I feel, and I'm a gun owner.

I think Booker was the only I'd give a +1 on the gun category to imo.

Don't be a FUD

[Taernath]

So yeah, pretty much everyone was acceptable to me. Warren was a little weak. Ryan got the Taliban and Al Qaeda mixed up, not an absolutely huge deal since it was clear what he meant, but still. I liked Gabbard, I wish she got more questions particularly gun one. I missed some of the middle so maybe she did. The ones who kept doing the Spanish thing was a kind of pander-y.

[Parkbandit]

Why these fuckers keep speaking Spanish? They running for president of the US or Mexico?

It's called sucking up to a voting block you are desperately trying to placate.

[Gelston]

Pretty similar to how I feel, and I'm a gun owner.

I think Booker was the only I'd give a +1 on the gun category to imo.

No, that is fucking retarded and goes against the principals on why the 2nd Amendment was put into the Constitution.

[Gelston]

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[BriarFox]

The second amendment is unfortunately too vague to be useful in modern society. It needs to be amended to be clearer, with power to regulate firearms conferred to the states. I’m all for gun ownership (I’ve had a CPL for the last dozen years), but background checks and restrictions on large capacity weapons and such shouldn’t be the issue it is.

[Fortybox]

The second amendment is unfortunately too vague to be useful in modern society. It needs to be amended to be clearer, with power to regulate firearms conferred to the states. I’m all for gun ownership (I’ve had a CPL for the last dozen years), but background checks and restrictions on large capacity weapons and such shouldn’t be the issue it is.

It is not vague nor does it need to be amended. The founding fathers were smarter than you are. Don't blame the constitution for you being too retarded to clearly understand it.

[audioserf]

I am absolutely stoked that Beto bodied himself with his hapless pandering, choke on a skateboard you empty suit moron

I still don't know who half the people in that debate were, there's more Dem candidates than features on a DJ Khaled record

[audioserf]

Dem field is about 17 Jeb!'s, Biden, Sanders and Warren

[BriarFox]

I love Warren. Woman is a brilliant policy powerhouse. Bernie is too pie-in-the-sky for me. Biden is both self-serving and boring. I’d vote for any of them over the current presidential dumpster fire though.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Love Booker's dumb face.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-B7KtJUYAAURLq.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I love Warren. Woman is a brilliant policy powerhouse.

Give an example of the policies she's a powerhouse on. Or do you mean she's the only one thus far to actually put pen to paper and write real policy suggestions, rather than saying shit like "we should do better".

I don't disagree with you that she's actually got positions documented and has thought out ideas, but outside the CFPB I can't think of anything she's really a mover and shaker on. And don't get me started on gay and black reparations.

[BriarFox]

Give an example of the policies she's a powerhouse on. Or do you mean she's the only one thus far to actually put pen to paper and write real policy suggestions, rather than saying shit like "we should do better".

I don't disagree with you that she's actually got positions documented and has thought out ideas, but outside the CFPB I can't think of anything she's really a mover and shaker on. And don't get me started on gay and black reparations.

She’s advocating for higher taxes on corporate profits and on household income over $50M, for universal child care, for alleviating student debt, for climate-focused investments and a bunch more things. Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020-policies-platform.html .

[Parkbandit]

The second amendment is unfortunately too vague to be useful in modern society. It needs to be amended to be clearer, with power to regulate firearms conferred to the states. I’m all for gun ownership (I’ve had a CPL for the last dozen years), but background checks and restrictions on large capacity weapons and such shouldn’t be the issue it is.

What specifically confuses you with regards to the 2nd amendment? I'm here to help, perhaps I can dumb it down for you.

[BriarFox]

What specifically confuses you with regards to the 2nd amendment? I'm here to help, perhaps I can dumb it down for you.

Oh, please. Get your hand out of your pants. The justification written into the 2nd amendment is for a well-regulated militia, and those two words have been the center of debate for 200 years. It was once (late 19th century) regarded as permission TO regulate firearms, but the last 50 years the courts have seen it differently, as an order not to regulate. It’s a confusing and overly brief amendment.

[Gelston]

The second amendment is unfortunately too vague to be useful in modern society. It needs to be amended to be clearer, with power to regulate firearms conferred to the states. I’m all for gun ownership (I’ve had a CPL for the last dozen years), but background checks and restrictions on large capacity weapons and such shouldn’t be the issue it is.

Um, no it isn't. It was written by people who just violently overthrew what the considered a corrupt Government. It means EXACTLY wtf it says.

It literally says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

Who forms a militia? The citizen does. The people do. The 2nd Amendment makes it clear that you have the right to bear arms so that a militia can be called up and you can join it, as people in militias provide all their own equipment.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Um, no it isn't. It was written by people who just violently overthrew what the considered a corrupt Government. It means EXACTLY wtf it says.

It literally says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" so as to help FORM a militia. It isn't rocket science.

Truth. Context is everything.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

She’s advocating for higher taxes on corporate profits and on household income over $50M, for universal child care, for alleviating student debt, for climate-focused investments and a bunch more things. Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020-policies-platform.html .

I don't see how any of those things make her a policy powerhouse. Aren't they the same generic dem party line 20 of the 26 candidates are arguing for, in some manner?

[BriarFox]

I don't see how any of those things make her a policy powerhouse. Aren't they the same generic dem party line 20 of the 26 candidates are arguing for, in some manner?

There’s lots of vague agreement. She has clear and detailed positions on about 2 dozen issues, which sets her worlds above anyone else.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There’s lots of vague agreement. She has clear and detailed positions on about 2 dozen issues, which sets her worlds above anyone else.

Ok, I agree with that. I'm pretty sure she's the only one who's actually done that. I don't think her positions distinguish her though.

[audioserf]

She and Bernie are the only two who are prepared to commit to policy positions, everyone else is just being mealy mouthed and trying to appeal to everyone without actually saying anything. Biden is such a gaffe factory that his people are actively hiding him from cameras whenever possible. He is going to get shanked by basically everyone at tonight's debate. I'm glad of it.

[Taernath]

Um, no it isn't. It was written by people who just violently overthrew what the considered a corrupt Government. It means EXACTLY wtf it says.

It literally says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

Who forms a militia? The citizen does. The people do. The 2nd Amendment makes it clear that you have the right to bear arms so that a militia can be called up and you can join it, as people in militias provide all their own equipment.

Treating guns like cars and requiring classes and licensing would be a step toward that "well regulated" Red Dawn militia fantasy.

[audioserf]

Never gonna stop laughing that Beto is essentially politics version of Poochie the Rockin' Dog from the Simpsons and how he's going to return to his home planet any day now

[BriarFox]

Um, no it isn't. It was written by people who just violently overthrew what the considered a corrupt Government. It means EXACTLY wtf it says.

It literally says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

Who forms a militia? The citizen does. The people do. The 2nd Amendment makes it clear that you have the right to bear arms so that a militia can be called up and you can join it, as people in militias provide all their own equipment.

A “well-regulated” militia, not yokels thinking they’re going to go defend the country by shooting border crossers, or Sam Shotgun who fires his weapon into the sky for the Fourth of July.

Up until 2007, the SCOTUS agreed with that, too. Then Scalia argued that the first clause (well-regulated) didn’t limit the second clause (right to keep and bear). The US is the only country in the world that has a constitutional right to arms that doesn’t also restrict them in some fashion.

In any case, I’m not arguing guns are bad. I’m arguing that certifiably insane people shouldn’t be allowed to have them. Can anyone really disagree with that?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I’m arguing that certifiably insane people shouldn’t be allowed to have them. Can anyone really disagree with that?

Uh... hello, internet?

But yeah, crazy people shouldn't have guns. Nor should criminals. The hard part is defining both of those, and I'm not being facetious.

[Parkbandit]

She’s advocating for higher taxes on corporate profits and on household income over $50M, for universal child care, for alleviating student debt, for climate-focused investments and a bunch more things. Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020-policies-platform.html .

She's also supports the New Green Deal, wants reparations for blacks and gays, free college tuition, wiping all college debt, universal child care, housing is a right, etc...

Hopefully, her "brilliant policy powerhouse" will eventually come with a plan to actually pay for it... instead of "Yes we can!" or whatever tag line she's using today.

[BriarFox]

Uh... hello, internet?

But yeah, crazy people shouldn't have guns. Nor should criminals. The hard part is defining both of those, and I'm not being facetious.

Yeah, I agree that practical definitions are hard and will never be perfect. But at the very least, we should have background checks, mandatory waiting periods, and red flag laws. Training and licensing would be good too. I had to take Hunter’s Safety in 7th grade before I could get my hunting license, for god’s sake.

[Wrathbringer]

I love Warren. Woman is a brilliant policy powerhouse. Bernie is too pie-in-the-sky for me. Biden is both self-serving and boring. I’d vote for any of them over the current presidential dumpster fire though.

Warren is a functional retard who can't figure out her ethnicity. Figures you'd like her. The current "dumpster fire" has the economy booming, unemployment at 60 year lows (all time lows for blacks) and taxes lower across the board, but those things aren't important, right? :lol: Idiot.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, I agree that practical definitions are hard and will never be perfect. But at the very least, we should have background checks, mandatory waiting periods, and red flag laws. Training and licensing would be good too. I had to take Hunter’s Safety in 7th grade before I could get my hunting license, for god’s sake.

I'd argue there are laws for most of these, they are just very poorly enforced. I.e. not sharing of databases.

[BriarFox]

She's also supports the New Green Deal, wants reparations for blacks and gays, free college tuition, wiping all college debt, universal child care, housing is a right, etc...

Hopefully, her "brilliant policy powerhouse" will eventually come with a plan to actually pay for it... instead of "Yes we can!" or whatever tag line she's using today.
You’re misrepresenting some of her positions, unsurprisingly, and she does have a plan to pay for them. If you bothered to read anything rather than just spouting bullshit, you might know that. Her wealth tax, for instance, pays for these: https://www.newsweek.com/elizabeth-warren-free-college-child-care-tax-millionare-1445813

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You’re misrepresenting some of her positions, unsurprisingly, and she does have a plan to pay for them. If you bothered to read anything rather than just spouting bullshit, you might know that. Her wealth tax, for instance, pays for these: https://www.newsweek.com/elizabeth-warren-free-college-child-care-tax-millionare-1445813

Do you think it's fair for the government to seize assets which have already been taxed, simply because the asset holders have accumulated wealth?

That is what causes a revolution.

[BriarFox]

Warren is a functional retard who can't figure out her ethnicity. Figures you'd like her. The current "dumpster fire" has the economy booming, unemployment at 60 year lows (all time lows for blacks) and taxes lower across the board, but those things aren't important, right? :lol: Idiot.


By economy booming, you mean trade wars and tariffs and a leery stock market? By unemployment, you mean he’s riding the coat-tails of the longest bull market in history? And by low taxes, you mean driving the country into the deepest debt it’s ever been in? Please. Use your brain.

[BriarFox]

Do you think it's fair for the government to seize assets which have already been taxed, simply because the asset holders have accumulated wealth?

That is what causes a revolution.

If that’s seizing assets, then taxes in general are seizing assets.

[Wrathbringer]

If that’s seizing assets, then taxes in general are seizing assets.

And they are. You're finally getting it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If that’s seizing assets, then taxes in general are seizing assets.

What else could it be? A person could literally not earn anything at all in a year, and the government comes in and demands payment?

[BriarFox]

And they are. You're finally getting it.

Oh, please. You live a society. It costs money. You benefit from it. You need to pay into it. Any other position is just selfish ignorance and a hope that someone else will pay your way.

[BriarFox]

What else could it be? A person could literally not earn anything at all in a year, and the government comes in and demands payment?

You seem to be suggesting that the only valid tax is an income tax?

[Wrathbringer]

Oh, please. You live a society. It costs money. You benefit from it. You need to pay into it. Any other position is just selfish ignorance and a hope that someone else will pay your way.

LOL says the guy advocating for "free" everything.

[audioserf]

Eat the rich.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You seem to be suggesting that the only valid tax is an income tax?

Nope, I'm not.

[BriarFox]

LOL says the guy advocating for "free" everything.

Sure, that's what I said... I would reiterate if I thought it would go anywhere, but you're about as honest a debater as Trump is a good president.

[BriarFox]

Nope, I'm not.

Ok, then. We have property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, inheritance taxes, etc, etc. The wealthy are often able to avoid them, or get lower rates through things like lower capital-gains taxes. I don't see a problem with a 2% wealth tax. It's just paying your way, like everybody else.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Ok, then. We have property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, inheritance taxes, etc, etc. The wealthy are often able to avoid them, or get lower rates through things like lower capital-gains taxes. I don't see a problem with a 2% wealth tax. It's just paying your way, like everybody else.

That's where I diverge. There shouldn't be a penalty for being successful, nor should the be a boon for not being successful.

[BriarFox]

That's where I diverge. There shouldn't be a penalty for being successful, nor should the be a boon for not being successful.

Ok. I don't think of it as a penalty, personally. If the wealthy aren't taxed (or are taxed at current rates), then the burden of paying for society is disproportionately placed on the lower-income brackets.

[Wrathbringer]

Ok, then. We have property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, inheritance taxes, etc, etc. The wealthy are often able to avoid them, or get lower rates through things like lower capital-gains taxes. I don't see a problem with a 2% wealth tax. It's just paying your way, like everybody else.

Wrong. They're already paying their way like everybody else according to the law. You just want to single them out to pay more than everybody else because you think spending other people's money is the answer. Hint: it isn't. Taxing success is self defeating. Just because someone is smart enough to have their money work for them instead of working for their money doesn't mean they should be penalized. You want to raise their taxes to make them like "everybody else", when in fact you should be arguing for "everybody else" to pay less taxes to make them like the wealthy. Liberals like you are just willfully stupid. And communist.

[Methais]

Beto is faker than Elizabeth Warren. I still believe it'll be Biden.

Beto O'Rourke is like Great Value Cameron Frye:

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[Wrathbringer]

Ok. I don't think of it as a penalty, personally. If the wealthy aren't taxed (or are taxed at current rates), then the burden of paying for society is disproportionately placed on the lower-income brackets.

Wrong again. The rich only pay less percentage wise. In terms of real dollars, they're already disproportionately burdened. Try educating yourself instead of parroting what you hear and read on liberal media.

[audioserf]

Bro do you have any idea how many more Teslas and caviar or whatever that could buy. Someone please think of the billionaires!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I know right? Going from $62 Million Dollars to only $50 Million Dollars after tax is a hardship noone should bear! Oh the humanity!!!!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0l3wOA6kJaGvXdRmapz72bepjXhl3Z AAbbZVkp8RYrJ25furxfw

Would you be ok if it was your money? Say you'd saved 62K and the government, in a single year, demanded 12K of it simply because you'd accumulated it?

[audioserf]

That is sort of a disingenuous argument because going from $62k to $50k is an absolutely material affect on your ability to provide for yourself whereas nobody has EVER wanted for anything by going from $62m to $50m. You can go from 62m to 50m and are still for sure rich.

[Methais]

That's a cop out. I think everyone is worried about people with bad intentions owning guns.

Even the people with bad intentions are. They're worried about people with worse intentions.

[Methais]

Democrats lamenting a young girl drowning trying to illegally enter the US with her father.

This was of course sandwiched between them all celebrating killing millions of unborn children and promising to protect the "rights" of women to keep killing their unborn children.

How does anyone take Democrats seriously about the border debate?

They're Backlash level stupid.

[Methais]

I love Warren. Woman is a brilliant policy powerhouse.

http://i.imgur.com/3gbPRx3.gif

[Parkbandit]

Oh, please. Get your hand out of your pants.

OMG IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE 2ND AMENDMENT YOU MUST JERK OFF A LOT!!!

You're level of intellect astounds everyone.

Really.


The justification written into the 2nd amendment is for a well-regulated militia, and those two words have been the center of debate for 200 years. It was once (late 19th century) regarded as permission TO regulate firearms, but the last 50 years the courts have seen it differently, as an order not to regulate. It’s a confusing and overly brief amendment.

It's only been at the center of debate for those who would like to get rid of the 2nd amendment. It's so simple to understand unless you have ulterior motives.

If you would like to infringe upon legal gun owners.. then simply get the 2nd amendment repealed.

[Parkbandit]

In any case, I’m not arguing guns are bad. I’m arguing that certifiably insane people shouldn’t be allowed to have them. Can anyone really disagree with that?

No one will argue with that.

Problem is: Who determines who is certifiably insane.

Spoiler: I don't believe politicians should be the who in this context.

[BriarFox]

You're level of intellect astounds everyone.
*Your.

Also, so simple, huh?

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php

Kay.

[Parkbandit]

You’re misrepresenting some of her positions, unsurprisingly, and she does have a plan to pay for them. If you bothered to read anything rather than just spouting bullshit, you might know that. Her wealth tax, for instance, pays for these: https://www.newsweek.com/elizabeth-warren-free-college-child-care-tax-millionare-1445813

I am? Be specific.. which position am I "misrepresenting" when I say this: "She's also supports the New Green Deal, wants reparations for blacks and gays, free college tuition, wiping all college debt, universal child care, housing is a right, etc... "

[Parkbandit]

If that’s seizing assets, then taxes in general are seizing assets.

Income is already taxed. She literally wants to double tax that income that was taxed when you received it as income.

[Methais]

Oh, please. You live a society. It costs money. You benefit from it. You need to pay into it. Any other position is just selfish ignorance and a hope that someone else will pay your way.

How about eliminate all the wasteful spending before increasing taxes on anyone or anything?

Eliminate that, and tax increases won't be "needed" in the first place.

[Methais]

Ok, then. We have property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, inheritance taxes, etc, etc. The wealthy are often able to avoid them, or get lower rates through things like lower capital-gains taxes. I don't see a problem with a 2% wealth tax. It's just paying your way, like everybody else.

Why should anyone have the same money taxed twice?

[Methais]

OMG IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE 2ND AMENDMENT YOU MUST JERK OFF A LOT!!!

How do you know he wasn't thinking about your wang?

Some people refer to wangs as guns you know...

[BriarFox]

How do you know he wasn't thinking about your wang?

Some people refer to wangs as guns you know...

I was using masturbation as a metaphor for solipsism, actually.

[BriarFox]

Why should anyone have the same money taxed twice?

There are more taxes than just income taxes, which seems to be where this perspective is coming from. Also, a 2% wealth tax would barely counteract inflation.

[Methais]

There are more taxes than just income taxes, which seems to be where this perspective is coming from. Also, a 2% wealth tax would barely counteract inflation.

You didn't answer the question.

Let me rephrase...why should someone's money be taxed that they already paid taxes on for no other reason than because they possess more than a certain amount of it?

[BriarFox]

You didn't answer the question.

Let me rephrase...why should someone's money be taxed that they already paid taxes on for no other reason than because they possess more than a certain amount of it?

I addressed the reasoning behind the question, because it seemed to suggest that only income taxes were valid. Taxes can and do take all forms. However, if you want a direct reason in terms of income taxes, then it’s because the top .1% pay a lower percentage than those below them:

From Pew Research: [The progressive tax] system starts to lose its progressivity at the very highest levels: In 2015, the effective rate peaked at 29.3% for taxpayers in the $2 million-to-under-$5 million group, then fell to 28.8% for the $5 million-to-under-$10 million group and 25.9% for those making $10 million or more.

[Methais]

I addressed the reasoning behind the question, because it seemed to suggest that only income taxes were valid. Taxes can and do take all forms. However, if you want a direct reason in terms of income taxes, then it’s because the top .1% pay a lower percentage than those below them:

From Pew Research: [The progressive tax] system starts to lose its progressivity at the very highest levels: In 2015, the effective rate peaked at 29.3% for taxpayers in the $2 million-to-under-$5 million group, then fell to 28.8% for the $5 million-to-under-$10 million group and 25.9% for those making $10 million or more.

You're still not justifying a fuck you tax no matter how you spin it.

[Parkbandit]

Ok. I don't think of it as a penalty, personally. If the wealthy aren't taxed (or are taxed at current rates), then the burden of paying for society is disproportionately placed on the lower-income brackets.

Aren't they already charged higher income tax rates?

And most of the "lower-income" brackets don't even pay income taxes... so not sure how that works out in your head.

[Tgo01]

How is anyone taking Warren seriously? The rich white lady who lied about being Native American to further her career as a professor and then to further her political career, took a DNA test to prove to Trump she was Native American then it turns out she’s LESS Native American than the average white person, then when called out for her DNA fiasco she never apologized for lying and using Native Americans to further her careers.

This is the type of person Democrats view as a leader they want to be president? Democrats really have fallen far from their glory days of being slave owners and installing white only fountains everywhere.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The only thing a wealth tax would do is effectively move wealthy people out of country.

[Parkbandit]

I addressed the reasoning behind the question, because it seemed to suggest that only income taxes were valid. Taxes can and do take all forms. However, if you want a direct reason in terms of income taxes, then it’s because the top .1% pay a lower percentage than those below them:

From Pew Research: [The progressive tax] system starts to lose its progressivity at the very highest levels: In 2015, the effective rate peaked at 29.3% for taxpayers in the $2 million-to-under-$5 million group, then fell to 28.8% for the $5 million-to-under-$10 million group and 25.9% for those making $10 million or more.

I would be for getting rid of some of the exemptions that the top .1% get before I would be for taxing income twice as a penalty for being wealthy.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not if the "getting wealth out of the country" tax is greater than the wealth tax.

You clearly do not know how tax law works.

[Parkbandit]

Let's just say "ok" to the wealth tax. That would generate about 300 billion dollars a year.

Now, you just need another 9.7 trillion dollars a year to pay for JUST the New Green Deal program.

How does Warren get there? PLUS pay for all her other taxpayer giveaways?

She really is a policy powerhouse... she's just not very good at the economics behind her policies.

[Tgo01]

Let's just say "ok" to the wealth tax. That would generate about 300 billion dollars a year.

Now, you just need another 9.7 trillion dollars a year to pay for JUST the New Green Deal program.

How does Warren get there? PLUS pay for all her other taxpayer giveaways?

She really is a policy powerhouse... she's just not very good at the economics behind her policies.

She's like a third grader running for class president. "And I'll give away ice cream and pizza at lunch everyday!!!"

And people are calling her a "Policy powerhouse" over these taxpayer funded vote bribes?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And you do?

I'm almost certain anyone rich enough to truly be affected by such tax laws would not be idly posting on a 1980's MUD forum in the middle of a work day.

Yes, I do. I work for the largest preparer of assisted tax returns in the industry.

[Methais]

I'm almost certain anyone rich enough to truly be affected by such tax laws would not be idly posting on a 1980's MUD forum in the middle of a work day.

That's because those people would be too busy sucking on GM asshole on Discord asking when the next P2W event is and/or busy at an actual P2W event paying thousands for text.

[Candor]

Let's just say "ok" to the wealth tax. That would generate about 300 billion dollars a year.

I'm surprised it's that much.

The wealth tax is just something to make liberals feel good about themselves. It makes no economic sense whatsoever.

[Parkbandit]

Yes, I do. I work for the largest preparer of assisted tax returns in the industry.
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[Methais]

Yes, I do. I work for the largest preparer of assisted tax returns in the industry.

THE JUDEAN PEOPLE’S FRONT?!?!?!?!?!

[Gelston]

Yes, I do. I work for the largest preparer of assisted tax returns in the industry.

I do my own taxes. Fuck you H&R Block.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I do my own taxes. Fuck you H&R Block.

You should come in and get a free second look, see what you missed.

[Gelston]

You should come in and get a free second look, see what you missed.

I don't miss jack son.

Actually, my mother used to do my taxes (she used to work at HR Block seasonally while she was working on her Accounting Degree.)

Taxes are easy af though, for my personal taxes anyways. I had to take a shit ton of accounting and bookkeeping courses when I was getting my Financial Analysis degree.

[Fortybox]

Most taxes can be done purchasing a Tax Prep software. Let's not pretend taxes are all that complicated (they aren't).

[Gelston]

Most taxes can be done purchasing a Tax Prep software. Let's not pretend taxes are all that complicated (they aren't).

They more money you make, the harder they become.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Most taxes can be done purchasing a Tax Prep software. Let's not pretend taxes are all that complicated (they aren't).

Own your own business? File a schedule C, D or F? Multistate? Stock trades? DIY is a great solution for many people, but finding everything, that's art and experience.

[BriarFox]

I met with an HR Block small business specialist hoping to save some money only to find out I owed more by their calculations than by my own through TurboTax Business. Sigh.

[Wrathbringer]

I met with an HR Block small business specialist hoping to save some money only to find out I owed more by their calculations than by my own through TurboTax Business. Sigh.

As a flaming liberal who loves to spend and tax, you should be happy you're paying more to support the retarded policies you espouse here. Wait, you mean you don't want to pay more taxes? Hypocrite.

[Neveragain]

My biggest takeaway from last evenings debate is that they have ignorantly decided to not attack each other. Someone needs to inform the Democrats that there can't be 20 presidents.

Beto was the biggest loser, Warren faded into the background and will see a drop in her poll numbers. Gabard and Ryan did well, Ryan really hit the nail on the head when he was talking about earning the blue collar vote back. He was doing really well with what little time he was given until Gabbard kicked him in the nuts.

I think Gabbard will see the biggest boost from last night. She's a solid candidate considering the democrat field. She has the look, a woman, a minority, she's intelligent...... I would probably vote for her.

P.S. I'm willing to bet Biden will glom on to Ryans topic of gaining the blue collar vote back, tonight.

[BriarFox]

I pay my taxes in full and don’t try to avoid them. I also spend about 30% of my net revenue on taxes.

[Wrathbringer]

Own your own business? File a schedule C, D or F? Multistate? Stock trades? DIY is a great solution for many people, but finding everything, that's art and experience.

Or folks could just run several different cash businesses and not file taxes at all. :)

[Neveragain]

I pay my taxes in full and don’t try to avoid them. I also spend about 30% of my net revenue on taxes.

I do everything I can to not pay taxes. Why would you? They just spent the last 2 1/2 years trying to sell a conspiracy theory to the taxpayers and now they want a raise for it.

I'll make you a deal, give me 30% of your income and I'll give you some free stuff.

[Wrathbringer]

I do everything I can to not pay taxes. Why would you? They just spent the last 2 1/2 years trying to sell a conspiracy theory to the taxpayers and now they want a raise for it.

I'll make you a deal, give me 30% of your income and I'll give you some free stuff.

This is correct. Starve the beast.

[Tgo01]

Dumb bitch Kamala Harris is another Democrat moron who thinks the unemployment being low means people are working 2 or 3 jobs. How are people this stupid? Or rather I guess it's: how stupid do they think people are?

[Tgo01]

How is it possible this debate is more of a shit show than last night's? Oh right, Biden and Sanders are on this stage.

[Tgo01]

Every single one said they want to provide free healthcare to illegal aliens. Unbelievable. Why does the black community keep putting up with this shit? Democrats ignore their plight for decades than spend tax dollars for illegal aliens and invite them to come here in droves.

[Tgo01]

Kamala Harris wants to get rid of detention centers. What was that about none of the Democrats wanting open borders?

Also tonight's debate is more like how I thought the debates would go; "fuck Donald Trump! Fuck Christians! Kill babies! Giveaways for everyone but straight white males!"

[Tgo01]

This piece of shit "moderator" said Obama deported 3 million AMERICANS. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

They all just said if illegal aliens are here and their only crime is they are "undocumented" then they shouldn't be deported.

OPEN BORDERS, Y'ALL!

[~Rocktar~]

In any case, I’m not arguing guns are bad. I’m arguing that certifiably insane people shouldn’t be allowed to have them. Can anyone really disagree with that?

Stop being a FUD. You know there is a test to buy a firearm, right? You know if you are ruled mentally incompetent or convicted of certain crimes you can’t buy a firearm, right? You know that many mass shootings occur when the firearm is stolen right? Stop being a willful moron and grow up.


Yeah, I agree that practical definitions are hard and will never be perfect. But at the very least, we should have background checks, mandatory waiting periods, and red flag laws. Training and licensing would be good too. I had to take Hunter’s Safety in 7th grade before I could get my hunting license, for god’s sake.
So you think that the government, currently run by someone you dislike, should have a say on if you can defend yourself from criminals or the government? You are a special kind of stupid. You have a background check to buy from a store. Waiting periods inordinately hurt female victims of domestic violence, why do you hate women? Red flag laws sound nice until you learn that any moron can go into court and swear that you are nuts and then the government, currently run by someone you dislike, can come and take your guns and kill you if you resist. It has already happened. Training and licensing is just a tax on a Right, can we tax speech? How about we tax the right to not board troops in our home? Why do you morons seem to think that limits on firearms help anything other than the growth and power of a tyrannical government? Do you WANT someone like Trump or worse to get elected and have the power to be the dictator you babies claim they are without having the ability to keep them in check? You want to be Venezuela? What about Cambodia? Darfur? Syria? China? We can buy you a ticket?

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

“To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788


Yes, I do. I work for the largest preparer of assisted tax returns in the industry.

So does the janitor in your office, that doesn't mean you know anything about taxes.

[~Rocktar~]

Beto was the biggest loser . . .

Wrong, America is both if one of these defectives get elected and because people seriously think any of these maroons are anywhere near a good idea for President.

[Tgo01]

Mayor piece of shit is now defending a violent criminal who threatened a police officer with a knife because he was black.

The Democrat party is nothing but absolute garbage at this point.

[Ashlander]

This piece of shit "moderator" said Obama deported 3 million AMERICANS. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

They all just said if illegal aliens are here and their only crime is they are "undocumented" then they shouldn't be deported.

OPEN BORDERS, Y'ALL!

Most of them are South Americans so he isn't wrong....

[Tgo01]

Most of them are South Americans so he isn't wrong....

Racist.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So does the janitor in your office, that doesn't mean you know anything about taxes.

Except I've worked with taxes for the last 5 years, been here 15, and do tax analysis every day as part of my job. So yeah, I think I know more than the child earlier.

[Tgo01]

Why even have ICE or green cards or visas or refugees or legal citizenship if it's no longer a crime or a reason to be deported for being here illegally? The Democrats have lost whatever was left of their minds because they are too afraid to stand up to their radical base.

[Tgo01]

Who the fuck cares; let them all in, you’re not going to lose whatever job you have because of them. And if somehow a 3rd grade educated Mexican migrant who can speak 5 words of English is in compeitition for your job you may want to reassess your own life before pointing the finger.

Okay, Mcguyver.

[Stumplicker]

I have a new opinion. Fuck all these other joke candidates. Phil Murphy for President. It exists. Officially. Don't know anything else about him. Don't know any of his policies. He's running on the one issue I truly care about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r0h2mNz91M

[Tgo01]

Well these debates are a complete shitshow and I couldn't finish watching this one either.

The only one who seemed somewhat sane was Tulsi Gabbard last night.

[Neveragain]

The Democrats have lost whatever was left of their minds because they are too afraid to stand up to their radical base.

Biden has two choices right now. Drop out or stand up to the crazies. He honestly looked like he was about to walk off the stage when Harris went off on him.

Half of these people have been unable to control the poverty in their own districts but want to give food, shelter and healthcare to people who have never been citizens. FFS, there's worry of a Bubonic plague outbreak in some of these districts.

[Parkbandit]

I pay my taxes in full and don’t try to avoid them. I also spend about 30% of my net revenue on taxes.

lol

[Taernath]

I'M GOING TO HARNESS LOVE TO WIN

PACK IT UP WE HAVE OUR NOMINEE

[Tgo01]

Moderator: What's the one thing you'll try to pass as president?
Biden: Beating Trump!

And this guy is the front runner?

[Neveragain]

Summary of the 2 night debate for those that didn't watch.

Tulsi Gabbard: Families are tired of losing their loved ones to regime change wars.

Main stream media: Why were you against gay marriage?

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[Gelston]

Summary of the 2 night debate for those that didn't watch.

Tulsi Gabbard: Families are tired of losing their loved ones to regime change wars.

Main stream media: Why were you against gay marriage?

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I want to bang Tulsi Gabbard.

[Taernath]

You guys are finished. The power of love, used for political purposes, is coming.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfi4QeYijIc

[Methais]

I don't miss jack son.

Actually, my mother used to do my taxes (she used to work at HR Block seasonally while she was working on her Accounting Degree.)

Taxes are easy af though, for my personal taxes anyways. I had to take a shit ton of accounting and bookkeeping courses when I was getting my Financial Analysis degree.

Can't take you seriously unless that degree is a PhD.

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[Methais]

As a flaming liberal who loves to spend and tax, you should be happy you're paying more to support the retarded policies you espouse here. Wait, you mean you don't want to pay more taxes? Hypocrite.

:lol:

[Methais]

Dumb bitch Kamala Harris is another Democrat moron who thinks the unemployment being low means people are working 2 or 3 jobs. How are people this stupid? Or rather I guess it's: how stupid do they think people are?

As stupid as Backlash.

[Methais]

Who the fuck cares; let them all in, you’re not going to lose whatever job you have because of them. And if somehow a 3rd grade educated Mexican migrant who can speak 5 words of English is in compeitition for your job you may want to reassess your own life before pointing the finger.

Shut up Ososis.

[Methais]

I want to bang Tulsi Gabbard.

Her first name spelled backwards is islut.

The iSlut, coming in 2020 by Apple.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

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[Neveragain]

You guys are finished. The power of love, used for political purposes, is coming.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfi4QeYijIc

Hey, at least men that think they are women will be able to get free abortions.

https://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Krusty_250849_5458422.gif

[Parkbandit]

You guys are finished. The power of love, used for political purposes, is coming.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfi4QeYijIc

If your party wasn't so. fucking. angry. about. everything. ... that would be your candidate.

She's the ultimate liberal hippie.

[Methais]

If your party wasn't so. fucking. angry. about. everything. ... that would be your candidate.

She's the ultimate liberal hippie.

I'd bang her.

[Parkbandit]

As a flaming liberal who loves to spend and tax, you should be happy you're paying more to support the retarded policies you espouse here. Wait, you mean you don't want to pay more taxes? Hypocrite.

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[Parkbandit]

I'd bang her.

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[audioserf]

I'm so fucking ready for Marianne Williamson to channel the spirits of intense love to open America's third eye and cleanse our soul of ancient dark energies and shit

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'll pay attention when it's down to 4 or 5 I think.

[Tgo01]

I'll pay attention when it's down to 4 or 5 I think.

You will laugh with us now and you'll like it!

[Tgo01]

Sanders: Yes, Americans will pay more in taxes but less in heathcare.

What's the point then? So instead of giving money to the insurance companies we will give the money directly to the government, because surely the government doesn't have vast amounts of waste, fraud, and outrageous overhead that would necessitate even more taxes.

I'll give Sanders credit for at least finally being honest about this shit. He refused to admit taxes would go up for his Medicare for all plan during the 2016 elections.

[Stumplicker]

Sanders: Yes, Americans will pay more in taxes but less in heathcare.

What's the point then? So instead of giving money to the insurance companies we will give the money directly to the government, because surely the government doesn't have vast amounts of waste, fraud, and outrageous overhead that would necessitate even more taxes.

I'll give Sanders credit for at least finally being honest about this shit. He refused to admit taxes would go up for his Medicare for all plan during the 2016 elections.

The "point" is that while everyone pays into it equally, not everyone takes out of it equally. Those who can't afford the proper treatment for what ails them aren't turned away because their insurance isn't good enough; the cost is subsidized and spread across 350 million other people who all shoulder a tiny amount of extra burden so the minority doesn't shoulder a life-crushing debt or be straight up turned away, as is the case currently. Basically the same idea as any public service, from public education to police and fire services.

I wouldn't necessarily vote for it without government (and industry) reform happening first, but it's not an idea I'm totally against, and that's the general jist of it.

[Methais]

MSNBC Host Apologizes for Democratic Presidential Debate – Says It Was a ‘Disaster’ (https://pluralist.com/2020-democratic-debates-joe-scarborough/?fbclid=IwAR3UTeRcT1eo1ZKXgAsxon9EkQc56hOuESSHWuHR wQLFkMDT8ynRzaqd81c)

Also lol @ this from the first debate:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1144177713869017089

And this just because.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98RXhOdaWw

[Tgo01]

The "point" is that while everyone pays into it equally

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you're a Democrat moron candidate, and your plan to "lower" healthcare costs is to simply take away everyone's private insurance, put them all on a government plan, and increase taxes, then you are beyond stupid and if you actually think this will work then you are too stupid to vote.

[Stumplicker]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you're a Democrat moron candidate, and your plan to "lower" healthcare costs is to simply take away everyone's private insurance, put them all on a government plan, and increase taxes, then you are beyond stupid and if you actually think this will work then you are too stupid to vote.

That's the plan they're selling, yes, because "Raise taxes!" is a bad platform to run on. For anyone. For any reason. But you'd have to be some kind of idiot to actually believe that universal healthcare would lower the cost of anything. Basic math says it increases the cost. If underinsured person is getting $0 for this procedure with no universal healthcare and underinsured person would get (full cost of procedure) with universal healthcare, then X is greater than 0.

You're missing the entire point of political campaigning. Politicians don't say things for reasonable, understanding people. Reasonable, understanding people generally form their opinions and those are hard to change. Case in point, most people on this forum. Politicians court idiots. Trump courted the "All those people who aren't like us are coming to GET US WE HAVE TO STOP THEM!" idiots, and the democrats court the "Everything will be FREE and emotional support puppies will be available on every corner!" idiots. The majority in the middle are going to make up their minds independent of the lunacy of political debates and rhetoric.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I never got that from DT. I heard address immigration and secure the border.

[Tgo01]

Trump courted the "All those people who aren't like us are coming to GET US WE HAVE TO STOP THEM!" idiots

Having a strong border and smart immigration policies is a far cry from "All those people who aren't like us are coming to get us and we have to stop them!"

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Sure politicians say stupid shit all of the time in order to get elected, but this crop of Democrats are far and away worse than anything we have ever seen before. Promising to spend trillions on a green new deal, trillions more for Medicare for all, billions on slavery reparations, tens of millions on gay reparations, hundreds of millions paying for illegal healthcare, open borders, not deporting people if their only crime is being "undocumented," white people bad, Christians bad, men bad, gun owners are bad. It's beyond disgusting and absurd.

Their platform is nothing but taxpayer funded bribes and allowing illegals to take over the country while they sit back and hope for a new voting base and get more wealthy off of the poor saps who voted them into office.

[Stumplicker]

I never got that from DT. I heard address immigration and secure the border.

You don't remember this? There was a lot of this. This was just the first one. South America, Mexico, and the Middle East, all mentioned within the span of a minute and a half, saying they're not normal people coming, not like you, or you, or you, but rapists and drug dealers. COMING TO GET US!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TML2cApMueU

I don't begrudge him courting these particular types of idiots. It worked. But that is the platform he ran on, and reinforced those words over and over and over again. No sense in saying it didn't happen. It did. In fact, many republicans run on that "Those foreigners/other religion groups are coming to get us!" platform. Both Bushes, Reagan (Edit: Actually I dunno what Bush Jr. ran on really, but he banged that foreigner drum for a good 8 solid years after)..I'm sure if you went far enough back you could dig up some speeches Polk used about how those Mexican rapists were coming to get us, and we've come full circle. It works. That's the real point of political rhetoric. If it works, you win, and you get to do what you really wanted to do. The democrats are no better with their rhetoric. It's just different rhetoric because they're courting different idiots.

[Tgo01]

You don't remember this? There was a lot of this. This was just the first one. South America, Mexico, and the Middle East, all mentioned within the span of a minute and a half, saying they're not normal people coming, but rapists and drug dealers. COMING TO GET US!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TML2cApMueU

I don't begrudge him courting these particular types of idiots. It worked. But that is the platform he ran on, and reinforced those words over and over and over again. No sense in saying it didn't happen. It did. In fact, many republicans run on that "Those foreigners/other religion groups are coming to get us!" platform. Both Bushes, Reagan (Edit: Actually I dunno what Bush Jr. ran on really, but he banged that foreigner drum for a good 8 solid years after)..I'm sure if you went far enough back you could dig up some speeches Polk used about how those Mexican rapists were coming to get us, and we've come full circle. It works. That's the real point of political rhetoric. If it works, you win, and you get to do what you really wanted to do. The democrats are no better with their rhetoric. It's just different rhetoric because they're courting different idiots.

You fell for the media spin on that video. Clearly he is talking about illegal immigration, and hey look! There are lots of drugs that are crossing the border and illegal aliens commit a lot of crimes. As far as him mentioning South America? Yeah, guess where most of the illegal immigration has been coming from for the past several years? You guessed it! South America!

Saying our border is in bad shape due to decades of neglect because politicians don't want to touch it is not even remotely the same as "OMG! Everyone not like us is coming to get us!" How are you this naive?

[Stumplicker]

You fell for the media spin on that video. Clearly he is talking about illegal immigration, and hey look! There are lots of drugs that are crossing the border and illegal aliens commit a lot of crimes. As far as him mentioning South America? Yeah, guess where most of the illegal immigration has been coming from for the past several years? You guessed it! South America!

Saying our border is in bad shape due to decades of neglect because politicians don't want to touch it is not even remotely the same as "OMG! Everyone not like us is coming to get us!" How are you this naive?

There's no media spin on that video. It's an unedited video of him saying those exact words, with zero commentary on them.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There are Mexican rapists, right?

[Tgo01]

There's no media spin on that video. It's an unedited video of him saying those exact words, with zero commentary on them.

He is talking about illegal immigration! You don't think illegal immigrants bring crime, drugs, and gang members? Are you retarded?

[Stumplicker]

He is talking about illegal immigration! You don't think illegal immigrants bring crime, drugs, and gang members? Are you retarded?

I'm aware of what he's talking about. I'm also aware of the rhetoric he used to court the people he was trying to court. And the rhetoric he used is available in that video, and basically all of his speeches. You court the crazies on your side of the fence so you can win. That's what he did, and what every presidential candidate has done since the country was founded.

[Tgo01]

I'm aware of what he's talking about. I'm also aware of the rhetoric he used to court the people he was trying to court. And the rhetoric he used is available in that video, and basically all of his speeches.

You're aware he was talking about illegal immigration and how illegal immigrants bring crime and drugs with them and how he wants to fix the illegal immigration problem but Orange man still bad because the illegal immigrants happen to be mostly brown?

"It's racist to mention the violent gang MS13 because they are mostly brown!!!!!!! Talk about the KKK!!!!!!!"

[Stumplicker]

You're aware he was talking about illegal immigration and how illegal immigrants bring crime and drugs with them and how he wants to fix the illegal immigration problem but Orange man still bad because the illegal immigrants happen to be mostly brown?

"It's racist to mention the violent gang MS13 because they are mostly brown!!!!!!! Talk about the KKK!!!!!!!"

You have trouble remaining objective because you're one of the fanatics I'm referencing. You're unable to view anyone or anything that expresses an opinion different than yours as anything but a caricature without a brain. If you'd like to know what he said, you can press play on the minute long video I linked. It's not edited, and there's no commentary.

[Tgo01]

You have trouble remaining objective because you're one of the fanatics I'm referencing. You're unable to view anyone or anything that expresses an opinion different than yours as anything but a caricature without a brain. If you'd like to know what he said, you can press play on the minute long video I linked. It's not edited, and there's no commentary.

I'm fine being objective, you're the one who is blinded by your pure hatred of Trump.

Let's just recap this retarded conversation.

You: Trump said everyone different than us is bad and wants to get us.
Me: No he didn't, he said he wants strong borders and smart immigration policies.
You: Wrong! <insert video here where your dumbass thought he was talking about all immigrants.>
Me: He is clearly referring to illegal aliens, illegal aliens bring plenty of drugs and crime and gang activity with them.
You: Orange man still bad! He attacking innocent brown people! You're just a fanatic!

You're a fucking moron.

[Stumplicker]

I'm fine being objective, you're the one who is blinded by your pure hatred of Trump.

Let's just recap this retarded conversation.

You: Trump said everyone different than us is bad and wants to get us.
Me: No he didn't, he said he wants strong borders and smart immigration policies.
You: Wrong! <insert video here where your dumbass thought he was talking about all immigrants.>
Me: He is clearly referring to illegal aliens, illegal aliens bring plenty of drugs and crime and gang activity with them.
You: Orange man still bad! You're just a fanatic!

You're a fucking moron.

You don't seem to be arguing the many parts of my posts where I said equally bad things about Democrats. Go ahead. Objectively defend them the same way. Did you even notice them? Or did you just see something negative about Trump and start frothing at the mouth?

[Astray]

There are Mexican rapists, right?

I mean, go to Mexico. Look like you carry a lot of cash. You'll find out pretty soon.

[Stumplicker]

I mean, go to Mexico. Look like you carry a lot of cash. You'll find out pretty soon.

I for one don't want any Mexicans raping my cash. It's hard to get out of my wallet when it's sticky. Also who carries cash?!

[Astray]

I for one don't want any Mexicans raping my cash. It's hard to get out of my wallet when it's sticky. Also who carries cash?!

I carry cash. It's also why I carry a gun. Also, Mexico is a festering shit-hole once you get passed the tourist zones. Hell, even in the tourist zones the place fucking sucks.

[Stumplicker]

I carry cash. It's also why I carry a gun. Also, Mexico is a festering shit-hole once you get passed the tourist zones. Hell, even in the tourist zones the place fucking sucks.

Yeah some parts are not so nice, but I'd take Mexico City over Phnom Penh any day. Incidentally, I'm going to Phnom Penh in January! For sex tourism, clearly. Just figured I'd get out ahead of that one. While we're at it, I'd take Mexico City over Camden, New Jersey too. Or the backwoods towns in the 30 minute driving radius around Tampa. We've got our share of shitty places too. Mexico just has them in higher quantities.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I mean, go to Mexico. Look like you carry a lot of cash. You'll find out pretty soon.

uh... do you not read my posts? Clearly I carry lots of cash.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I carry cash. It's also why I carry a gun. Also, Mexico is a festering shit-hole once you get passed the tourist zones. Hell, even in the tourist zones the place fucking sucks.

My wife agrees. For being a Peruvian immigrant, she really dislikes a few of south americas countries, and she’s literally lived in them all so I’m 100% supportive of her opinion. She says Mexicans don’t even speak Spanish...

[Stumplicker]

My wife agrees. For being a Peruvian immigrant, she really dislikes a few of south americas countries, and she’s literally lived in them all so I’m 100% supportive of her opinion. She says Mexicans don’t even speak Spanish...

Tell your wife I'll fight her over the correct word for "Bus". What is it in Peru? Autobus? Fuck that. Them's fighting words. But yeah, Mexicans speak Spanish like Americans speak English - usually bad.

[Tgo01]

You don't seem to be arguing the many parts of my posts where I said equally bad things about Democrats. Go ahead. Objectively defend them the same way. Did you even notice them? Or did you just see something negative about Trump and start frothing at the mouth?

You said Democrats are dumb because they are claiming that taking over healthcare they will reduce healthcare costs. I have already agreed with you that it's dumb.

And I've actually defended Obamacare in the past because Obama said he would tackle the high costs of healthcare AND provide health coverage to every LEGAL citizen. I totally supported this plan. But then he quickly backed down and was like "LOL! Free money for the insurance companies! Dolla dolla bills, y'all!"

Now that Democrats have dropped all pretenses and want to literally kick people off of their private insurance plans, raise taxes, provide medical care to illegal aliens, and claim this will lower the cost of healthcare and you actually want me to defend this garbage? You are out of your mind.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

She says ​Autobús

[Stumplicker]

She says ​Autobús

Yeah I thought so. I think Bolivia's the same. Not positive. One thing I am sure of though, once you ride a South American bus, whatever you call it, you will never give the MTA shit for not having its shit together ever again. Edit: Actually I just looked it up out of curiosity. Most of Peru is omnibus apparently. She's even wrong for her own country! The point is, Spanish has way too many words for bus.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah I thought so. I think Bolivia's the same. Not positive. One thing I am sure of though, once you ride a South American bus, whatever you call it, you will never give the MTA shit for not having its shit together ever again.

Truth re: MTA vs chaos.

[Neveragain]

Dear 8 lb. 6 oz. newborn infant Jesus. Let Hillary Clinton enter into the Presidential race.

[Tgo01]

Biden dropped 10 points after the debate and Harris jumped 9 points.

Anyone who thought Democrats weren't going to attack one another to claw their way to the top is just naive. I like how people really thought Democrats had somehow transcended above this type of shit in a primary.

Now we get to watch the Democrats attack each, the media such as NPR will keep "finding" audio showing how much of an ass each candidate is. Well I take that back, something tells me only the white males will be aggressively attacked by the media while the minorities and women get 99% fluff pieces.

[~Rocktar~]

Biden dropped 10 points after the debate and Harris jumped 9 points.

Anyone who thought Democrats weren't going to attack one another to claw their way to the top is just naive. I like how people really thought Democrats had somehow transcended above this type of shit in a primary.

Now we get to watch the Democrats attack each, the media such as NPR will keep "finding" audio showing how much of an ass each candidate is. Well I take that back, something tells me only the white males will be aggressively attacked by the media while the minorities and women get 99% fluff pieces.

This is very likely to be correct. Also, you pointing out facts about racist media coverage is racist. Why do you hate Communism so much you racist bastard?

[Tgo01]

Some asshole drives over a woman at an Antifa protest.
Media: OMG! Trump is to blame! What do you have to say about this, Trump?!
Trump: The white nationalists and Nazis should be condemned totally, but there were bad people on both sides.
Media: OMG! Trump is saying people protesting Nazis are just as bad as Nazis! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!

Violent Antifa thugs send a gay Asian journalist to the hospital.
Media: crickets

I'm totally sure someone will ask a Democrat presidential candidate to comment on the attack on Andy Ngo.

[Methais]

Violent Antifa thugs send a gay Asian journalist to the hospital.
Media: HE DESERVED IT!!!!!!

Fixed.

[Tgo01]

To my knowledge Andrew Yang is the only Democrat candidate to express support for Andy Ngo:


I hope @MrAndyNgo is okay. Journalists should be safe to report on a protest without being targeted.

Granted he didn't condemn Antifa, he just expressed concern for Andy Ngo and said journalists shouldn't be attacked.

I wonder if any of the other useless Democrat candidates are going to call out Antifa or at least show support for Andy Ngo? I'm guessing no They know Antifa is basically their base now so they have to coddle them like children.

[Tgo01]

Eric Swalwell, who is polling so low in the latest CNN poll they gave him an * to denote he had less than 1% support, is only the second Democrat candidate to speak out in support of Andy Ngo. He actually went one step farther than Yang and said his attackers should be prosecuted, but of course he still didn't criticize Antifa.

No one with even a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination has spoken out in defense of Andy Ngo nor criticized Antifa, because of course not. Democrats don't give a shit about civility or rule of law, they only know how to project this shit on Trump and Republicans.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-leftist-mob-attacked-me-in-portland-11562109768

[~Rocktar~]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-leftist-mob-attacked-me-in-portland-11562109768

Blocked by paywall. Fuck that.

[Tgo01]

Remember at the debates when Harris attacked Biden for his stance that busing should be a local thing and not mandated by the federal government? And she subsequently saw her support rise as a result? Yeah, she now says she supports busing being a local thing and doesn't want it mandated by the federal government.

What a real piece of work.

[Methais]

Blocked by gaywall. Fuck that.

Fixed.

[~Rocktar~]

ROFLMAO! I should have thought of that, good call.

[Tgo01]

The taxpayer funded bribes keep on rolling in!

Up next is Klobuchar who says if elected she will provide federal funds matching any pay increases a school gives a teacher.

There are about 4 million teachers in the US, let's say each one receives just a 2000 dollar pay rise, we're looking at a taxpayer funded bribe of 8 billion dollars a year for school teachers.

I can't even keep track of this shit anymore. I haven't seen government officials be this generous with other people's money since Hugo Chavez.

[Tgo01]

Biden has already backed away from the unpopular talking point of providing healthcare to illegal aliens.

Now he just thinks illegal aliens should receive healthcare in an emergency. You know, what we already do and have been doing for decades.

Democrats have no real convictions, this is just like what they did with gay marriage; waited until it was popular enough among voters before coming out in support of gay marriage. But at the moment free healthcare for illegal aliens is extremely unpopular with voters so Democrats are going to try to appeal to their base in a big showy debate, but then in a more low key setting walk back their statements so they can then appeal to more moderate voters.

Is it too much to ask for Democrats to just be honest and consistent?

[Parkbandit]

Is it too much to ask for Democrats to just be honest and consistent?

In their defense... they can't be honest and sell their platform. Part of selling socialism is setting the unrealistic expectations and outcome. How do you expect them to get elected if they explain that they are burning down the entire system and it will end with bloodshed and misery for most people?

[Tgo01]

Hot on the heels of Klobuchar's taxpayer funded bribe towards teachers, Kamala Harris announces yet another taxpayer funded bribe! This one promises to give 100 billion dollars (yes that's billion with a B) of taxpayer funds for "housing assistance" for black families. Keep in mind this is SEPARATE from her slavery reparations policy.

Kamala laments people who have to work 2 jobs just to get by, well those people going to have to work 4 jobs to pay for all of the Democrat taxpayer funded bribes.

[Gelston]

Hot on the heels of Klobuchar's taxpayer funded bribe towards teachers, Kamala Harris announces yet another taxpayer funded bribe! This one promises to give 100 billion dollars (yes that's billion with a B) of taxpayer funds for "housing assistance" for black families. Keep in mind this is SEPARATE from her slavery reparations policy.

Kamala laments people who have to work 2 jobs just to get by, well those people going to have to work 4 jobs to pay for all of the Democrat taxpayer funded bribes.

Only black families? Sounds kind of racist.

[Gelston]

I did the math, that would be $2500 for every single African American, using the 2010 census numbers. I mean, that really isn't a huge amount, unless you're considering it as a simple down payment for a house or security deposit or something.

[~Rocktar~]

I did the math, that would be $2500 for every single African American, using the 2010 census numbers. I mean, that really isn't a huge amount, unless you're considering it as a simple down payment for a house or security deposit or something.

Yeah, that won't make most down payments, unless of course you are talking USDA qualified properties or something.

[Gelston]

Yeah, that won't make most down payments, unless of course you are talking USDA qualified properties or something.

If you consider it would be PER person, so a family of 4 it'd be 10 grand. I don't think that is necessarily how it'd work though.

Still, 2500 is generally good for a 1 Br/Ba security deposit and 1st month's rent.

Regardless, it is insignificant at the end of the day if the person couldn't put together 2500 on their own anyways to get into an apartment.

[Tgo01]

I can't keep up with all of these taxpayer funded bribes!

Warren is now promising free daycare for every newborn in the US.

[Tgo01]

Free daycare, free college, free healthcare, free money for sitting at home doing nothing, free money for being black, free money for being gay, free money for housing if you're black. Who is gonna be left working?

[RichardCranium]

Free daycare, free college, free healthcare, free money for sitting at home doing nothing, free money for being black, free money for being gay, free money for housing if you're black. Who is gonna be left working?

Skynet.

[Tgo01]

Another tax payer funded bribe, this one from Buttigieg!

Kamala Harris has her black homeowner assistance? Well now we have a black (well supposedly "minority") business investment! A 10 billion dollar federal investment to help minorities start a business.

Buttigieg also had this to say while talking about his plans in front of a gathering of thousands of black female voters: "You’re not free if you can be kicked out of school lose your job if someone finds your hair ‘unprofessional’ or a ‘distraction.’ Hair discrimination is racial discrimination."

Pander for that black vote, Buttigieg! PANDER!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Another tax payer funded bribe, this one from Buttigieg!

Kamala Harris has her black homeowner assistance? Well now we have a black (well supposedly "minority") business investment! A 10 billion dollar federal investment to help minorities start a business.

Buttigieg also had this to say while talking about his plans in front of a gathering of thousands of black female voters: "You’re not free if you can be kicked out of school lose your job if someone finds your hair ‘unprofessional’ or a ‘distraction.’ Hair discrimination is racial discrimination."

Pander for that black vote, Buttigieg! PANDER!

I'm claiming 1/1024th Cherokee and going to open a womens studies interpretive dance studio. Dolla bills ya'll! I'm also going to attend school full time (while running my non-profit) and get 50K a year in government free loans. FUCK YEAH. EVERYTHING IS FREE BITCHES.

[Astray]

I'm claiming 1/1024th Cherokee

I don't think that is enough for benefits.

[Gelston]

I don't think that is enough for benefits.

Depends on the tribe. Most cherokee tribes want no less than 1/16th, while other tribes want no less than 1/4th, while other may only require lineal descent. None of this is done by DNA tests, btw, it is by family tree records and shit. You have to be enrolled in a tribe to get Federal benefits.

[Astray]

Depends on the tribe. Most cherokee tribes want no less than 1/16th, while other tribes want no less than 1/4th. You have to be enrolled in a tribe to get Federal benefits.

I know. Weird that I'd know that. Almost like I went through the process myself.

[Gelston]

I know. Weird that I'd know that. Almost like I went through the process myself.

You're a Mexican. No one cares about those tribes. We only care about the ones that came from the East Coast.