2020 Democrat primary debates

[Parkbandit]

:jerkit:

Story of your life.

Still.

[~Rocktar~]

:jerkit:

The best part of you landed in the sock.

[RichardCranium]

Nah. Looking back on that thread I must have been doing something and posting thoughts down really quickly around whatever else it was that I was doing. I followed up with some videos on gerrymandering but then never fully explained it so got me there.

But gerrymandering is very real and everyone should hate it because not just republicans do it.

Let me help you out. It was a buzzword shat out by the mainstream media you hold so dear and you latched onto it then regurgitated it here.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Anyone who has every looked at county maps anywhere knows gerrymandering is potentially an issue for everyone. It'd be good to address it such that it was apolitical, but we all know that will never happen.

[Gelston]

Anyone who has every looked at county maps anywhere knows gerrymandering is potentially an issue for everyone. It'd be good to address it such that it was apolitical, but we all know that will never happen.

They should just take every state, put evenly space vertical and horizontal lines across it, and call it a day. Some districts will be tiny because the the weird shapes of states, but oh well.

Can't blame anything on gerrymandering anymore.

OH NOEZ! ALL THE REPUBLICANS MOVED INTO THESE SQUARES TO FLIP THE SEATS!

[Parkbandit]

They should just take every state, put evenly space vertical and horizontal lines across it, and call it a day. Some districts will be tiny because the the weird shapes of states, but oh well.

Can't blame anything on gerrymandering anymore.

OH NOEZ! ALL THE REPUBLICANS MOVED INTO THESE SQUARES TO FLIP THE SEATS!

Or just make it by county. Ok, this county has x population, you get x number of House seats.

[RichardCranium]

Or just make it by county. Ok, this county has x population, you get x number of House seats.

What's a county?

[Methais]

Rocktar is gonna walk into his workplace one day and start shooting people. Hope the FBI are watching you closely.

I'd say you were projecting, but you'd have to have a job first in order to have a workplace to shoot up, so at least we can rule that out in your case.

Unless you're planning on shooting time4fun's dildo collection of course.

[Parkbandit]

What's a county?

https://geology.com/county-map/louisiana-county-map.gif

[Back]

Anyone who has every looked at county maps anywhere knows gerrymandering is potentially an issue for everyone. It'd be good to address it such that it was apolitical, but we all know that will never happen.

SCOTUS is looking at a couple of cases right now. One republican, one democrat. Hopefully they rule it unconstitutional. People should pick politicians, not politicians picking voters.

[Tgo01]

SCOTUS is looking at a couple of cases right now. One republican, one democrat. Hopefully they rule it unconstitutional. People should pick politicians, not politicians picking voters.

The supreme court isn't about to tell states how they can and cannot choose their own representatives. Unless of course a Democrat gets in office and packs the supreme court like they want to.

People make too big of a deal about gerrymandering and the current process. What is the solution? Have a committee draw up districts like some states have? Because surely a committee that isn't elected can't possibly be more corrupt than elected officials.

Have a system similar to other countries where each party gets proportional seats depending on what percent of the vote they get? I don't like that system because you're voting on parties rather than individuals. Right now someone can get elected as a Democrat but still have some conservative ideas, because they understand the district they are coming from and what the people want. The other system would just have another "yes man" in office that toes the party line.

[Androidpk]

SCOTUS is looking at a couple of cases right now. One republican, one democrat. Hopefully they rule it unconstitutional. People should pick politicians, not politicians picking voters.

SCOTUS ruling it unconstitutional would be a fantastic boon for all Americans.

[Back]

The supreme court isn't about to tell states how they can and cannot choose their own representatives. Unless of course a Democrat gets in office and packs the supreme court like they want to.

People make too big of a deal about gerrymandering and the current process. What is the solution? Have a committee draw up districts like some states have? Because surely a committee that isn't elected can't possibly be more corrupt than elected officials.

Have a system similar to other countries where each party gets proportional seats depending on what percent of the vote they get? I don't like that system because you're voting on parties rather than individuals. Right now someone can get elected as a Democrat but still have some conservative ideas, because they understand the district they are coming from and what the people want. The other system would just have another "yes man" in office that toes the party line.

So, if it is ok for one party to draw lines to their benefit, is it ok for both parties? And if so, which party?

It is physically impossible to draw lines that favor both parties at the same time. You'll end up with all districts being equal.

[Parkbandit]

So, if it is ok for one party to draw lines to their benefit, is it ok for both parties? And if so, which party?

It is physically impossible to draw lines that favor both parties at the same time. You'll end up with all districts being equal.

Your grasp on the facts concerning gerrymandering is painful to read.

Please stop.

[Parkbandit]

SCOTUS ruling it unconstitutional would be a fantastic boon for all Americans.

You're a retard who is only surpassed in stupidity by Backlash.

[Methais]

You're a retard who is only surpassed in stupidity by Backlash. But you make up for that with how much of an all around scumbag piece of shit you are.

Fixed. And this is correct.

[Gelston]

https://geology.com/county-map/louisiana-county-map.gif

None of those are counties.

[Stumplicker]

More importantly, when did Spain (or Portugal, I guess) have part of Louisiana? What's with the "Iberia" there? That's a gap in my history knowledge.

[Tgo01]

So, if it is ok for one party to draw lines to their benefit, is it ok for both parties? And if so, which party?

What? The state legislature draws up the districts so the state legislature decides.


It is physically impossible to draw lines that favor both parties at the same time. You'll end up with all districts being equal.

Sure. Great. Who is going to draw up the lines "equally"? A non-elected committee of "concerned citizens"?

Screaming gerrymandering is just another way Democrats cope with losing elections. Both sides gerrymander and in most cases it's not nearly as big of a deal as Democrats make it out to be.

Did you know sometimes even Democrats in a state where they are the minority actually want the districts to be gerrymandered to ensure they keep their job and they actually work with Republicans to make that happen? But Democrats don't gerrymander!!!

[Parkbandit]

None of those are counties.

"Parishes" for the redneck, backwards hicks of Louisiana.

[Gelston]

"Parishes" for the redneck, backwards hicks of Louisiana.

And people that just want to use correct terms. :)

[Methais]

"Parishes" for the redneck, backwards hicks of Louisiana.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dunYWIiVP6c/T1oIwXPDbpI/AAAAAAAAFrw/_HjowpOYtLk/s1600/72340843_display_image.jpg

[RichardCranium]

More importantly, when did Spain (or Portugal, I guess) have part of Louisiana? What's with the "Iberia" there? That's a gap in my history knowledge.

They didn't, to my knowledge. Most of the settlers were expelled from Canada. It was just named for the Iberian Peninsula.

[Gelston]

They didn't, to my knowledge. Most of the settlers were expelled from Canada. It was just named for the Iberian Peninsula.

Spain owned Louisiana for about 40 years. Napoleon took it back and then sold it to the US.

[~Rocktar~]

So Cory "Sparticus" Booker is proposing legislation to study reparations. More Democraps seeking to buy votes and keep the black people dependent on the government plantation. I would almost go with it if, once and for all, I could hear the absolute forever end of any claims of racism ever. Won't happen but would be a nice dream.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/politics/presidential-candidate-cory-booker-introduces-senate-bill-on-slavery-reparations?fbclid=IwAR0e8E_-w8lRyMu_5lkTKHvfrN9ldkiSyVEopotUvpptefm3zO913lpIxE Y

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So Cory "Sparticus" Booker is proposing legislation to study reparations. More Democraps seeking to buy votes and keep the black people dependent on the government plantation. I would almost go with it if, once and for all, I could hear the absolute forever end of any claims of racism ever. Won't happen but would be a nice dream.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/politics/presidential-candidate-cory-booker-introduces-senate-bill-on-slavery-reparations?fbclid=IwAR0e8E_-w8lRyMu_5lkTKHvfrN9ldkiSyVEopotUvpptefm3zO913lpIxE Y

I'm .003% african america, so I'm good with this. When will I get my check?

[~Rocktar~]

I'm .003% african america, so I'm good with this. When will I get my check?

I will send you your .003% of a check in .003% envelope with .003% postage .003% if right away.

PS: I am probably more african american than you.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I will send you your .003% of a check in .003% envelope with .003% postage .003% if right away.

PS: I am probably more african american than you.

I have two black dogs, as well.

Lawyered.

[Gelston]

I'm .3% Nigerian according to my DNA test.

Like I said though, I do believe in reparations. If you were a slave, you should get money. If your parents were a slave, you should get less money, if your grandparents were a slave, you should get even less. Great grandparents a slave? Nah.

[~Rocktar~]

I have two black dogs, as well.

Lawyered.

Are you saying you have to be black to be African American, Elon Musk would disagree. Racist.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm .3% Nigerian according to my DNA test.

Like I said though, I do believe in reparations. If you were a slave, you should get money. If your parents were a slave, you should get less money, if your grandparents were a slave, you should get even less. Great grandparents a slave? Nah.

And, grandparents who had slaves should pay the most, parents who had slaves less, current slave owners, the least. WTs only.

[Gelston]

And, grandparents who had slaves should pay the most, parents who had slaves less, current slave owners, the least. WTs only.

I'd say current slave owners should go to prison.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd say current slave owners should go to prison.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xswrcQEy_-M/maxresdefault.jpg

[Tgo01]

And, grandparents who had slaves should pay the most, parents who had slaves less, current slave owners, the least. WTs only.

Funnily enough Kamala Harris’s grandparent or maybe great grandparents were slave owners. Wonder how much reparations she is personally going to pay.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Funnily enough Kamala Harris’s grandparent or maybe great grandparents were slave owners. Wonder how much reparations she is personally going to pay.

https://tammybruce.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/cory-booker-1-e1532537236265.jpg

[Gelston]

Funnily enough Kamala Harris’s grandparent or maybe great grandparents were slave owners. Wonder how much reparations she is personally going to pay.

Yeah, a lot of people either don't realize or just want to ignore that black people owned slaves. There were black people that fought for the Confederacy.

I never thought that any reparations would come from individual families though. I'm pretty sure that any plan would have to make it come from tax dollars, mostly because the Federal Government allowed it. Still trying to research who is the descendant of a slave would be pretty difficult. Birth records for African Americans (and many people, tbh) can be very hit or miss from the late 1800s and early 1900s.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, a lot of people either don't realize or just want to ignore that black people owned slaves. There were black people that fought for the Confederacy.

I never thought that any reparations would come from individual families though. I'm pretty sure that any plan would have to make it come from tax dollars, mostly because the Federal Government allowed it. Still trying to research who is the descendant of a slave would be pretty difficult. Birth records for African Americans (and many people, tbh) can be very hit or miss from the late 1800s and early 1900s.

https://i.imgur.com/NYtfglZ.jpg

[Methais]

I have two black dogs, as well.

Lawyered.

I play Jax on Mortal Kombat.

WHAT NOW BITCH???

http://memecrunch.com/meme/BHT2U/boom-goes-the-dynamite/image.jpg

[Methais]

I'm .3% Nigerian according to my DNA test.

Confirmed Gelston beat up Jussie Smollett.

[Methais]

Are you saying you have to be black to be African American, Elon Musk would disagree. Racist.

Akeem the African Dream also takes issue with this.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/dadef1a94b00f6746bdd1168e0710904/tumblr_p22nh0IM2P1s24yedo1_400.gif

Look at these white supremacists ganging up on him just because he's African. Disgusting.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbsoluteInsidiousEskimodog-size_restricted.gif

[Wrathbringer]

I play Jax on Mortal Kombat.

WHAT NOW BITCH???

http://memecrunch.com/meme/BHT2U/boom-goes-the-dynamite/image.jpg

Always hated playing against him because of his ground pound.

[Stumplicker]

Confirmed Gelston beat up Jussie Smollett.

Hey now. Don't make fun of Jussie Smollett's dastardly hate crime. It's contributing to Androidpk's made up "Right wing violence rising" statistics.

[Methais]

Always hated playing against him because of his ground pound.

Jax is hype. You should play him on MK11. Then nobody will be able to call you racist ever again.

[Wrathbringer]

Jax is hype. You should play him on MK11. Then nobody will be able to call you racist ever again.

I was always a Shang Tsung guy for MK2-MK3. Knew all the morphs and loved his finishing moves. Can he still morph into everyone else in the game?

[Methais]

I play Kitana because she reminds me of Methais. Because I'm his biggest fan and I dream about him hopefully one day showing me his monster dong if I can only convince him to be gay like me.

https://media.giphy.com/media/JoePLWxLD7cGc/giphy.gif


https://pics.me.me/tanya-korobova-as-kitana-mortal-kombat-thor-~-21054149.png

I admire her shartholders.

[Methais]

I was always a Shang Tsung guy for MK2-MK3. Knew all the morphs and loved his finishing moves. Can he still morph into everyone else in the game?

I was playing some MK2 and MK3 online the other night with a friend of mine. There are some versions of MAME that let you play all those old arcade games online with no lag. It's pretty awesome. Shang Tsung still rules.

He was announced a couple weeks ago as the first DLC character on MK11 too. And the dude that played him in the movie is doing his voice.

Hype.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Nye02yZuowo/maxresdefault.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/t0sEMJhSoYatO/giphy.gif

[Stumplicker]

This was in my facebook and is now relevant. The original video footage that they used for the first Mortal Kombat -

https://imgur.com/gallery/8QUntVr?fbclid=IwAR2MHXJQ-LLF3FfRnwpYiNWORhr0voFY7i56S-wqa4eJO1kQTpjKNRGAhvQ

[Methais]

This was in my facebook and is now relevant. The original video footage that they used for the first Mortal Kombat -

https://imgur.com/gallery/8QUntVr?fbclid=IwAR2MHXJQ-LLF3FfRnwpYiNWORhr0voFY7i56S-wqa4eJO1kQTpjKNRGAhvQ

That's pretty awesome.

[Parkbandit]

A retarded dipshit enters the fray:

Democratic California Rep. Eric Swalwell

He's the genius who said we should buy back or confiscate all "assault weapons" and when someone said there would be a war if they did that, he said:

"And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities."

[Tgo01]

A retarded dipshit enters the fray:

Democratic California Rep. Eric Swalwell

He's the genius who said we should buy back or confiscate all "assault weapons" and when someone said there would be a war if they did that, he said:

"And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities."



He actually thinks he has a chance? Or is he just trying to embarrass Democrats even more?

[Wrathbringer]

I was playing some MK2 and MK3 online the other night with a friend of mine. There are some versions of MAME that let you play all those old arcade games online with no lag. It's pretty awesome. Shang Tsung still rules.

He was announced a couple weeks ago as the first DLC character on MK11 too. And the dude that played him in the movie is doing his voice.

Hype.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Nye02yZuowo/maxresdefault.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/t0sEMJhSoYatO/giphy.gif

I have the Mk1 2 and 3 arcade ports for 360 that came out with the MK fight sticks in 2013. They're great. I wonder if he'll be able to morph into everyone in the game. I haven't really played since Ultimate MK3. Has he had this ability in the more recent games? That trump to shang tsung gif is awesome. :lol:

[Methais]

A retarded dipshit enters the fray:

Democratic California Rep. Eric Swalwell

He's the genius who said we should buy back or confiscate all "assault weapons" and when someone said there would be a war if they did that, he said:

"And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities."



I never knew what a giant douche he looked like.

https://www.congress.gov/img/member/114_rp_ca_15_swalwell_eric.jpg

Look how punchable that face is. Not quite Ajit Pai punchable, but still punchable.

The kind of dumbass that still makes a field goal symbol when he botches a split and the ball rolls through the gap between the pins and thinks he's the first person that ever came up with it.

[Tgo01]

We can't label everyone who is disturbed by migration as racist. If you're going to have a coherent, cohesive society, then everybody has to have some agreed-upon rules. And there are going to have to be some accommodations that everybody makes. And that includes the people who are newcomers. The question is, are those fair?

Should we want to encourage newcomers to learn the language of the country that they're moving to? Of course. Does that mean that they can never use their own language? No, of course it doesn't mean that, but it's not racist to say, 'Ah, if you're going to be here then you should learn the language of the country that you just arrived at because we need to have some sort of common language in which all of us can work, and learn and understand each other.

We can't label everyone who is disturbed by immigration as a racist.

Who said this? Richard Spencer? Donald Trump? Gavin McInnes? Joseph Goebbels?

Close. Barack Obama just a couple of days ago.

This is how radicalized the left has become in just 2 short years. 2 years ago we had a Democrat president who believes this. Now we have Democrat presidential candidates talking about doing away with ICE, allowing more illegal immigration, and even tearing down the current border walls we already have. Not to mention an endless supply of people on the left who will call you a racist for even suggesting any of the things Obama stated here.

And these are just Obama's views on LEGAL immigration! I can't possibly imagine he's a huge fan of open borders or illegal immigrants.

[Methais]

Who said this? Richard Spencer? Donald Trump? Gavin McInnes? Joseph Goebbels?

Close. Barack Obama just a couple of days ago.

This is how radicalized the left has become in just 2 short years. 2 years ago we had a Democrat president who believes this. Now we have Democrat presidential candidates talking about doing away with ICE, allowing more illegal immigration, and even tearing down the current border walls we already have. Not to mention an endless supply of people on the left who will call you a racist for even suggesting any of the things Obama stated here.

Is Obama an alt-right Nazi white supremacist yet?

[Tgo01]

Is Obama an alt-right Nazi white supremacist yet?

Give it time.

[~Rocktar~]

Confirmed Gelston beat up Jussie Smollett.

Nah, Gelston would have taken the sandwich.

[Gelston]

https://www.facebook.com/DavidJHarrisJr/videos/310372326303802/

[~Rocktar~]

https://www.facebook.com/DavidJHarrisJr/videos/310372326303802/

That was funny as shit, the only thing that would have made that funnier is if ole Corey "Sparticus" Booker was dressed in roman cartoon armor.

[Parkbandit]

Joe Biden expected to announce on Wednesday.

We need more in that clown car!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

A retarded dipshit enters the fray:

Democratic California Rep. Eric Swalwell

He's the genius who said we should buy back or confiscate all "assault weapons" and when someone said there would be a war if they did that, he said:

"And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities."



All we need now is Adam Shit to enter and we got shit and swallow candidates.

[Gelston]

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[Tgo01]

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Yeah Sanders has lost whatever was left of his mind with this one.

A woman asked him if rapists should be allowed to vote and after rambling like an insane old man for nearly 3 minutes he finally confirmed that yes, yes he thinks rapists should be able to vote. It's a pretty sad day when you're so desperate to win that you're appealing to the rapist vote.

[Gelston]

I don't have a problem with prior felons voting, but I think while you're in prison or serving on parole, you shouldn't have that right. Once you finish your time, however, I'm all for it.

That is only for voting. I don't think, for instance, violent felons should ever get their second amendment rights back.

[Stumplicker]

I don't have a problem with prior felons voting, but I think while you're in prison or serving on parole, you shouldn't have that right. Once you finish your time, however, I'm all for it.

That is only for voting. I don't think, for instance, violent felons should ever get their second amendment rights back.

I agree and disagree, and I know how much you hate when I type more than a sentence or two so I'll try to be succinct. The prison system is in desperate need of an overhaul to make the rehabilitation it's supposed to be actually rehabilitating. If that happens, and the justice system determines that your time is served and you are rehabilitated, you should receive you rights back regardless of the crime. If the crime is bad enough to remove your rights, it's a life (or death) sentence anyway. That's how I think that should work.

Fewer hurdles to re-integrating rehabilitated prisoners into society is a good thing and helps prevent recidivism. They just have to be rehabilitated better before that's ever possible in reality.

[Tgo01]

I don't have a problem with prior felons voting, but I think while you're in prison or serving on parole, you shouldn't have that right. Once you finish your time, however, I'm all for it.

That is only for voting. I don't think, for instance, violent felons should ever get their second amendment rights back.

I could the way Florida has it setup, once you have finished serving your sentence (this includes fines, fees, and parole) then your voting rights are restored.

But WHILE you're in prison? That's absolutely insane.

The argument is usually "They have paid their debt to society, let's restore their rights", Sanders actually said "They are paying their debt to society", present tense. So because they are currently incarcerated everything is good? Shit, let's just let them go home on weekends too while we're at it, since they "are paying their debt to society."

Also one of his concerns was too few people are participating in elections. So that means rapists, murderers, and gang members currently in prison should have a say in who gets elected so the politician can appeal to the criminal vote and promise them all sorts of goodies? That makes sense.

[Gelston]

I agree and disagree, and I know how much you hate when I type more than a sentence or two so I'll try to be succinct. The prison system is in desperate need of an overhaul to make the rehabilitation it's supposed to be actually rehabilitating. If that happens, and the justice system determines that your time is served and you are rehabilitated, you should receive you rights back regardless of the crime. If the crime is bad enough to remove your rights, it's a life (or death) sentence anyway. That's how I think that should work.

Fewer hurdles to re-integrating rehabilitated prisoners into society is a good thing and helps prevent recidivism. They just have to be rehabilitated better before that's ever possible in reality.

Not really. A felony crime can be theft of $501. Ohio has lower limits. That isn't a life sentence.

[Stumplicker]

Not really. A felony crime can be theft of $501. Ohio has lower limits. That isn't a life sentence.

I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that if I stole $501 and was charged with a felony, served my time, and then was released, I shouldn't get my rights back upon release?

[Gelston]

I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that if I stole $501 and was charged with a felony, served my time, and then was released, I shouldn't get my rights back upon release?

I literally said you should get your right to vote back after you finish prison and parole in my post. I said gun rights shouldn't be restored to violent felons ever.

[Stumplicker]

I literally said you should get your right to vote back after you finish prison and parole in my post. I said gun rights shouldn't be restored to violent felons ever.

Oh. Same page then. I misunderstood what you were talking about initially. I thought you were saying things like voting rights shouldn't be restored if the crime was violent.

[Tgo01]

I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that if I stole $501 and was charged with a felony, served my time, and then was released, I shouldn't get my rights back upon release?

Personally I'd be fine with that. Don't commit crimes if you don't want your rights stripped away.

I think "Well he served his time..." his a dumb argument anyways. Just because you were forced to serve time in prison doesn't necessarily mean you've changed or "paid your debt to society." The felon should have to earn his rights back, not just have them automatically restored upon leaving prison. Keep a job, stop committing crimes, become an actual useful member of society, do this for 3+ years depending on crime then we can talk about getting your rights back.

[Gelston]

Personally I'd be fine with that. Don't commit crimes if you don't want your rights stripped away.

I think "Well he served his time..." his a dumb argument anyways. Just because you were forced to serve time in prison doesn't necessarily mean you've changed or "paid your debt to society." The felon should have to earn his rights back, not just have them automatically restored upon leaving prison. Keep a job, stop committing crimes, become an actual useful member of society, do this for 3+ years depending on crime then we can talk about getting your rights back.

Most people are generally under supervision when they get out, typically parole.

[Stumplicker]

Personally I'd be fine with that. Don't commit crimes if you don't want your rights stripped away.

I think "Well he served his time..." his a dumb argument anyways. Just because you were forced to serve time in prison doesn't necessarily mean you've changed or "paid your debt to society." The felon should have to earn his rights back, not just have them automatically restored upon leaving prison. Keep a job, stop committing crimes, become an actual useful member of society, do this for 3+ years depending on crime then we can talk about getting your rights back.

You're describing the parole system. That already exists. It's not terribly successful, but that's why it exists.

And that's also why I qualified what I was saying with the prison system dramatically needing an overhaul in order to rehabilitate people to make it really work. The simple fact of the matter is that people do commit crimes. Always have and probably always will. They should be punished, yes. They should serve their time, yes. But they should also be rehabilitated, which, no, not really happening. If anything, prison currently makes a person MORE likely to re-offend once released. Releasing someone with a felony on their record already precludes them from being eligible for most jobs. Actively doing things to further isolate and ostracize former prisoners only increases the chance of them re-offending. Rehabilitation and reintegration to society are the two most important things we could do in regards to prisoners. The latter can't happen effectively without the former happening first though.

[Tgo01]

A) Not everyone receives parole.
B) Parole does not demand someone gets a job and becomes a useful member of society.
C) No.

Parole is basically just “we are letting you serve part (or all) of your sentence outside of prison. Don’t fuck up too much or you’ll go to prison.”

[Gelston]

A) Not everyone receives parole.
B) Parole does not demand someone gets a job and becomes a useful member of society.
C) No.

Parole is basically just “we are letting you serve part (or all) of your sentence outside of prison. Don’t fuck up too much or you’ll go to prison.”

Parole damn sure can demand someone get a job. Conditions of parole can, and are often, set, and Parole officers can revoke at any point.

[Tgo01]

Parole damn sure can demand someone get a job. Conditions of parole can, and are often, set, and Parole officers can revoke at any point.

I’m sure they can, but it’s not necessarily mandated.

[Gelston]

I’m sure they can, but it’s not necessarily mandated.

And I dont think everything should be. It should be a case by case.

[Astray]

A lot of people with a criminal record don't get much work. Mandating them without assurance of a job is just putting them back in prison.

[Stumplicker]

A lot of people with a criminal record don't get much work. Mandating them without assurance of a job is just putting them back in prison.

There's a stigma against hiring ex convicts, and honestly, with the recidivism rate/lack of real rehabilitation, it's somewhat warranted. We employ a work release program at my business, and it's great for the most part. We just had our first hire after release of an ex con who turned out to be a spectacular machinist by virtue of the fact that he's been making tractor pull engines his entire life. Day he was released from prison he was making *~40k a year. On the flipside of that though, we've had a large number of work release prisoners screw up their chances at both their job here inside and once they're outside by doing typical BS prison stuff, like stealing 50 cents of merchandise from the thrift shop, or in the more severe cases, doing drugs in the bathroom. For every one we hire when they're released, probably 3 get kicked out of the program because they just can't function in normal society quite right. And I should mention that these are all men hand picked for the program because they're within 2 years of release and the correctional facility feels they'll be able to do well.

[Tgo01]

And I dont think everything should be. It should be a case by case.

I'm fine with that for probation, but for restoring people's rights I think it should be more than just being released from prison.

[Tgo01]

A lot of people with a criminal record don't get much work. Mandating them without assurance of a job is just putting them back in prison.

The economy is so good that even felons are finding it easy to get a job. Although generally it is true that felons have a hard time finding a job. It's probably a requirement that they at least look for a job, similar to unemployment benefits.

[Parkbandit]

A crusty old Joe "Handsy" Biden has entered the fray.

And that makes 20 in the clown car. I anticipate Biden will be the final serious clown though. It's full.

Now: Let the fun begin.

[Tgo01]

A crusty old Joe "Handsy" Biden has entered the fray.

And that makes 20 in the clown car. I anticipate Biden will be the final serious clown though. It's full.

Now: Let the fun begin.

What a fuck bag. In his video he referred to the group of Antifa members who showed up to "peacefully" confront the white nationalists as a "courageous group of Americans" because they were there to "stand against" hate.

He also repeated the lie that Trump referred to white nationalists as "very fine people."

What a bunch of sheep the Democrat party has become.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What a fuck bag. In his video he referred to the group of Antifa members who showed up to "peacefully" confront the white nationalists as "courageous" because they were there to "stand against" hate.

He also repeated the lie that Trump referred to white nationalists as "very fine people."

What a bunch of sheep the Democrat party has become.

The only people that messaging plays with are democrats. I wouldn't spent a second listening to it. Trump will have similar, other side of the pendulum, announcements and ads later. Neither are worth getting triggered over.

The election isn't about the two parties, it's ALL about the independents and moderates. Everyone else is just playing team sports and in the bag already.

[Tgo01]

Trump will have similar, other side of the pendulum, announcements and ads later. Neither are worth getting triggered over.

I'll get pretty triggered if Trump refers to a terrorist group as a "courageous group of Americans" and completely lies and claims his political opponent referred to a bunch of racist hate mongers as "very fine people." Trump says some pretty dumb shit but I don't think he's gone that far yet.

No one should give Joe Biden a pass here just because he's playing up to his base with this.

His whole video dedicated to announcing his candidacy is just a 3 minute long rant of "Orange man bad!" No policy proposals, nothing of substance. Just "Trump bad! Vote for me!"

Almost 5 years speculation and waiting for this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOU2fTg6cI

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'll get pretty triggered if Trump refers to a terrorist group as a "courageous group of Americans" and completely lies and claims his political opponent referred to a bunch of racist hate mongers as "very fine people." Trump says some pretty dumb shit but I don't think he's gone that far yet.

No one should give Joe Biden a pass here just because he's playing up to his base with this.

Not really my point, but ok.

[Neveragain]

The only people that messaging plays with are democrats. I wouldn't spent a second listening to it. Trump will have similar, other side of the pendulum, announcements and ads later. Neither are worth getting triggered over.

The election isn't about the two parties, it's ALL about the independents and moderates. Everyone else is just playing team sports and in the bag already.

This is why I think Biden is the Democrats best candidate. Biden is an idiot to pander to the far left though, he needs to separate himself from the crazy and look like an independent. He's always done pretty well when he can play the rust belt democrat.

[Tgo01]

Not really my point, but ok.

Biden is firing up his base so he can secure the Democrat nomination then he will scale back a bit for the general election to appeal to more moderate voters. It's always a balancing act where a candidate has to play to his base to win his party's nomination but not go too far away from the center so their opponent can't use their words against them in the general election when they want to appear mode moderate. Biden is starting off so far left it's hard to believe he stands even a snowball's chance in hell of winning in a general election now.

Honestly I don't think an old white man as the Democrat candidate is going to get minorities to show up on election day for them, and none of the minority candidates have even a sliver of the charm Barack Obama did so I don't think they are going to excite their base much either.

The election is still a long way's off and a lot can change, but it's already looking like an uphill battle for the eventual Democrat candidate.

[Tgo01]

This is why I think Biden is the Democrats best candidate. Biden is an idiot to pander to the far left though, he needs to separate himself from the crazy and look like an independent. He's always done pretty well when he can play the rust belt democrat.

This is what I'm saying. Honestly if the 2016 election were between Biden and Trump I might have even supported Biden.

But after 2 years of seeing Trump do a bunch of shit I agree with, and now with Biden's announcement being filled with outright lies and pandering to far left terrorist groups, I'm going to vote for Trump twice this time around. But in all seriousness 2020 will be the first presidential election I have voted in since 2000.

I have a feeling a lot of people are in a similar boat as me; they weren't too thrilled with Trump being president so either stayed home election night, voted third party, or pulled the lever for Trump because it was better than Hillary. But I think a lot of people are excited this time around to support Trump and are generally disgusted to see what the Democrat party has become.

[Methais]

I'm just waiting to see if he gets the #MeToo treatment now or if that's already fizzled out.

Clips of him borderline fondling little girls are gonna start showing up everywhere now and the democrats will probably "accidentally" start endorsing pedophilia as a result. :lol:

[Tgo01]

Biden:

"America is coming back like we used to be: ethical, straight, telling the truth."

What does Biden have against the gays?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Joe Biden has been in politics longer than I've been alive. 1969 to present.

[Tgo01]

Joe Biden has been in politics longer than I've been alive. 1969 to present.

And he really doesn't have much to show for it other than being the first black president's vice president, and even Obama doesn't want to look like a fool by endorsing Biden and have him end up not getting the Democrat nomination.

[Gelston]

And he really doesn't have much to show for it other than being the first black president's vice president, and even Obama doesn't want to look like a fool by endorsing Biden and have him end up not getting the Democrat nomination.

His political career is a lot more prestigious than yours. :)

[Stumplicker]

Also he was a recurring character on Parks and Recreation!

[Gelston]

I honestly think Biden and Bernie are both going to peter out. Elizabeth Warren isn't even going to get a start, she is only making headlines now by saying stupid shit that everyone disregards. Bernie is probably already on the way down anyways, other DNC types are distancing from him over the prison voting deal.

Probably going to be that gay guy from Indiana and insert random democrat female.

[Tgo01]

His political career is a lot more prestigious than yours. :)

Hey! I once considered running for mayor of the Landing. That ain't nothing!

[Methais]

His political career is a lot more prestigious than yours. :)

AOC's political career is more prestigious than yours. :(

[Gelston]

AOC's political career is more prestigious than yours. :(

I never said otherwise.

[Methais]

I never said otherwise.

I accept your apology.

[Methais]

https://scontent.fbtr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/59301217_2382742828610285_101548853831925760_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fbtr1-1.fna&oh=eb547203e109fb88b4de4aa4051f1522&oe=5D32F2C9

[Tgo01]

Standing room only at Beto's latest rally:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5GhohGUwAASTA-.jpg:large

This isn't a joke either, that is the entire crowd.

Beto and the school are already working together to come up with a reason for low attendance. You see the college this rally was held at is a "ghost town" on Fridays. So basically their excuse is no one wants to see Beto on purpose, only if they happen to pass by his rally on their way to or from school.

[Taernath]

Standing room only at Beto's latest rally:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5GhohGUwAASTA-.jpg:large

This isn't a joke either, that is the entire crowd.

Beto and the school are already working together to come up with a reason for low attendance. You see the college this rally was held at is a "ghost town" on Fridays. So basically their excuse is no one wants to see Beto on purpose, only if they happen to pass by his rally on their way to or from school.

Most people do schedule their classes Monday-Thursday though.

[Parkbandit]

Most people do schedule their classes Monday-Thursday though.

Someone is a BetoBeta...

[Gelston]

Most people do schedule their classes Monday-Thursday though.

My college only had MWF or T Th. There was not M-Th courses.

[Methais]

Standing room only at Beto's latest rally:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5GhohGUwAASTA-.jpg:large

This isn't a joke either, that is the entire crowd.

Beto and the school are already working together to come up with a reason for low attendance. You see the college this rally was held at is a "ghost town" on Fridays. So basically their excuse is no one wants to see Beto on purpose, only if they happen to pass by his rally on their way to or from school.

Moms demand action sounds like a new Back sig.

https://i.imgur.com/QnsxHs7.jpg

[Taernath]

Someone is a BetoBeta...

Nah, I don't give a fuck about any of these guys until the first debates. Literally the only things I hear about Beto are from Tgo's rants.

[Tgo01]

Nah, I don't give a fuck about any of these guys until the first debates. Literally the only things I hear about Beto are from Tgo's rants.

To be fair the only things I hear about him anymore are his low attendance rallies.

At this point it seems only Biden or Bernie has a chance to win the nomination and there is a sizable portion of the Democrat base who don’t seem too thrilled about the idea of yet another old, rich, straight white guy being the nominee.

[Parkbandit]

To be fair the only things I hear about him anymore are his low attendance rallies.

At this point it seems only Biden or Bernie has a chance to win the nomination and there is a sizable portion of the Democrat base who don’t seem too thrilled about the idea of yet another old, rich, straight white guy being the nominee.

That's what they said about Trump at this point..

[Tgo01]

That's what they said about Trump at this point..

I don't think Republicans were concerned about an old, rich, white guy being the nominee. Maybe the Democrats and the media were saying we don't need another rich white guy.

Even Cortez has stated she's not thrilled that Biden entered the race because he represents the "past" of the Democrat party (because he's old and white) and she would rather move forward.

I just don't think Biden or Sanders can fire up the Democrat base to get them to show up on election day like Obama could do. Maybe someone like Harris could but I don't think she will be popular enough with the moderates to pull in many votes.

Buttigieg probably has the best chance at beating Trump, sure he's white but he's not old and he's gay. Problem is Sanders is leading the pack at the moment so the Democrats have to at least match his craziness, if not surpass it, if they want to get ahead of him in the polls. And right now Sanders is talking about reparations, Medicare for all, free college, and allowing terrorists, rapists, and murderers to vote from prison. That's going to be a tough sell in the general election to the moderates the nominee is going to need to win. Someone who doesn't buy into the media mass hysteria of Trump being a racist, sexist, homophobe is going to look at Trump and say "Secure borders, amazing economy, no plans to destroy the economy...or open borders, more crime, plans to completely destroy the economy AND allowing rapists to vote from inside of prison?"

I think Democrats are putting too much faith in their "I'm not Trump!" strategy of winning the election. It could be argued that part of why Trump won was because he wasn't Hillary, but that only works when an incumbent isn't running. Now Trump has a record to tout, and that record has been pretty amazing. Even Democrats are admitting it by not having anything to attack him with. The most they have to say is "RESIST!" That means literally nothing.

[Back]

I don't think Republicans were concerned about an old, rich, white guy being the nominee. Maybe the Democrats and the media were saying we don't need another rich white guy.

Even Cortez has stated she's not thrilled that Biden entered the race because he represents the "past" of the Democrat party (because he's old and white) and she would rather move forward.

I just don't think Biden or Sanders can fire up the Democrat base to get them to show up on election day like Obama could do. Maybe someone like Harris could but I don't think she will be popular enough with the moderates to pull in many votes.

Buttigieg probably has the best chance at beating Trump, sure he's white but he's not old and he's gay. Problem is Sanders is leading the pack at the moment so the Democrats have to at least match his craziness, if not surpass it, if they want to get ahead of him in the polls. And right now Sanders is talking about reparations, Medicare for all, free college, and allowing terrorists, rapists, and murderers to vote from prison. That's going to be a tough sell in the general election to the moderates the nominee is going to need to win. Someone who doesn't buy into the media mass hysteria of Trump being a racist, sexist, homophobe is going to look at Trump and say "Secure borders, amazing economy, no plans to destroy the economy...or open borders, more crime, plans to completely destroy the economy AND allowing rapists to vote from inside of prison?"

I think Democrats are putting too much faith in their "I'm not Trump!" strategy of winning the election. It could be argued that part of why Trump won was because he wasn't Hillary, but that only works when an incumbent isn't running. Now Trump has a record to tout, and that record has been pretty amazing. Even Democrats are admitting it by not having anything to attack him with. The most they have to say is "RESIST!" That means literally nothing.

Most democratic candidates are all polling ahead of Trump one on one. Even Gillibrand.

[Ashlander]

Most democratic candidates are all polling ahead of Trump one on one. Even Gillibrand.

Cause the polls ended up being so accurate last election....

[Tgo01]

Most democratic candidates are all polling ahead of Trump one on one. Even Gillibrand.

Right, and Hillary had a 99% chance of winning.

[Back]

Cause the polls ended up being so accurate last election....

They were accurate about the popular vote.

[Tgo01]

Most democratic candidates are all polling ahead of Trump one on one. Even Gillibrand.

Also which polls are you going by?

Even on 538's website they have plenty of polls where Trump is winning in head to head matchups against every single Democrat who has announced so far. (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/)

The ones who do consistently better are Biden and Sanders, but even some polls show Trump winning against those two.

[Tgo01]

They were accurate about the popular vote.

Oh shit! Is the popular vote determining the winner this time around?!

[Back]

Also which polls are you going by?

Even on 538's website they have plenty of polls where Trump is winning in head to head matchups against every single Democrat who has announced so far. (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/)

The ones who do consistently better are Biden and Sanders, but even some polls show Trump winning against those two.

Here is a link to Public Policy Polling's January poll pdf.

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/PPP_Release_National_12219.pdf

Below is the summary graphic by the BBC.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/9FE8/production/_105363904_dems-nc.png

[Tgo01]

Yup, PPP is the only one on 538's website that consistently says the Democrat wins against Trump every time. Literally every other polling firm on there has different results depending on the week and the Democrat; with Trump winning sometimes and the Democrat winning sometimes.

But by all means, if MSNBC is telling you to just focus on what PPP says then go for it. No need to worry, just sit back and wait for the Democrat to win.

[Back]

Yup, PPP is the only one on 538's website that consistently says the Democrat wins against Trump every time. Literally every other polling firm on there has different results depending on the week and the Democrat; with Trump winning sometimes and the Democrat winning sometimes.

But by all means, if MSNBC is telling you to just focus on what PPP says then go for it. No need to worry, just sit back and wait for the Democrat to win.

I watch FOX and read Brietbart more than MSNBC believe it or not. POlls change every day and they aren't 100% reliable. But people watch them regardless.

[Tgo01]

I watch FOX and read Brietbart more than MSNBC believe it or not. POlls change every day and they aren't 100% reliable. But people watch them regardless.

Do you actually "Read" Brietbart, or do you just read the headline, conclude they are crazy conservatives, then carry on with your day?

Brietbart has gotten surprisingly better over the years. They are still a right leaning publication and they don't try to hide that fact, but they do some actual journalism these days, unlike NYT, CNN, and Washington Post, which are mostly just opinion pieces about feelings.

[Back]

Do you actually "Read" Brietbart, or do you just read the headline, conclude they are crazy conservatives, then carry on with your day?

Brietbart has gotten surprisingly better over the years. They are still a right leaning publication and they don't try to hide that fact, but they do some actual journalism these days, unlike NYT, CNN, and Washington Post, which are mostly just opinion pieces about feelings.

I always check it out to see how they are trying to radicalize the conservative base. The comments section on that site looks similar to the PC sometimes when the Trump supporters here get riled up over something.

[Tgo01]

I always check it out to see how they are trying to radicalize the conservative base. The comments section on that site looks similar to the PC sometimes when the Trump supporters here get riled up over something.

Yeah that's what I figured. You aren't at all interested in reading different points of view.

[Methais]

You were accurate about how retarded I am.

This is correct.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/fw9bs0w.jpg

[Tgo01]

Biden's first speech as candidate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AH4feMIi8k&feature=youtu.be

Was he drunk or what?

[Neveragain]

:: insert Mr. Lahey Trailer Park supervisor campaign speech::

[Methais]

:: insert Mr. Lahey Trailer Park supervisor campaign speech::

That was one of the greatest and most inspiring speeches of all time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHQNI99rgU0

[Astray]

That Biden speech was kinda sad.

[Gelston]

Could point towards neurological issues. He is 76 years old.

[Parkbandit]

Biden's first speech as candidate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AH4feMIi8k&feature=youtu.be

Was he drunk or what?

Main stream media is telling us that was an amazing speech... they can't possibly be wrong.

Enjoy your ban.

[Methais]

I can't tell if he's drunk, having a mini stroke, or just doesn't want to be there.

[Gelston]

I can't tell if he's drunk, having a mini stroke, or just doesn't want to be there.

Why not all three?

[Methais]

Why not all three?

https://media.giphy.com/media/xzMs8O1KQh17i/giphy.gif

[RichardCranium]

Nah he just needs some stronger Polident.

[~Rocktar~]

Nah he just needs some stronger Polident.

He probably needs to stop taking denture advice from Nancy Pelosi.

[Tgo01]

The giveaways continue with Biden's latest proposal, and this giveaway isn't even for American citizens!

Biden has said everyone in the US, illegal alien or otherwise, should be given healthcare in the US.

Yes, so now we're telling the world if you just make it over that border that Democrats don't want to protect we are now going to take care of all of your health needs.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Parkbandit]

The giveaways continue with Biden's latest proposal, and this giveaway isn't even for American citizens!

Biden has said everyone in the US, illegal alien or otherwise, should be given healthcare in the US.

Yes, so now we're telling the world if you just make it over that border that Democrats don't want to protect we are now going to take care of all of your health needs.

What could possibly go wrong?

Not even sure why he's trying to one up his "competition". He has a 32 point lead over anyone.. he is this election's Hillary Clinton. No way can he lose this.

32 points... if he loses this race with that type of lead.. he is retarded.

[Tgo01]

Bernie is trying out far left Biden now. Bernie is calling for a cap of 15% interest rates on credit cards.

The person who wants to tax people 90%+ of their income is calling 15% yearly interest rates too high. What a joke.

[sellstuff1]

Bernie is trying out far left Biden now. Bernie is calling for a cap of 15% interest rates on credit cards.

The person who wants to tax people 90%+ of their income is calling 15% yearly interest rates too high. What a joke.

He wants to tax rich people. Since the only money you make is what you can beg other people into giving you, you won't be taxed 90%.

But trying to explain a progressive tax system to a conservative is about as effective as trying to explain that the KKK isn't made up of liberal democrats.

[Tgo01]

He wants to tax rich people. Since the only money you make is what you can beg other people into giving you, you won't be taxed 90%.

But trying to explain a progressive tax system to a conservative is about as effective as trying to explain that the KKK isn't made up of liberal democrats.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-IvV8thrO4

[~Rocktar~]

He wants to tax rich people. Since the only money you make is what you can beg other people into giving you, you won't be taxed 90%.

If you define "rich" as anyone that makes more than $10 annually then maybe this is true. You do know that we currently have more unfunded mandates on the books than all the money in the world can pay for right? I would go on but explaining that "Free" from the government isn't really free to a flaming Socialist retard is not my idea of a fun Thursday night.

[Wrathbringer]

Taxing the rich never works. They don't just sit there and pay more taxes. The rich have resources, lobbyists, attorneys, accountants and financial advisers to effect change via legislation and loopholes. They work around and avoid said taxes in the meantime. Since the rich use corporations which are taxed at a much lesser amount than personal income, raising income taxes hurts no one but the middle class. This is how trump and people like him pay so little in taxes. What's interesting is that during the 1910's our income tax was sold to the voters as punishing the rich, then when taxing the rich didn't work out because of what I mentioned before, the taxes were expanded to include the very people who voted for them: the middle and lower classes. Only ignorant libtards think raising income taxes on the rich accomplishes anything.

[Gelston]

Apparently some rando named Andrew Yang made it in Tucker Carlson. I say full speed to him.

[Methais]

He wants to tax rich people. Since the only money you make is what you can beg other people into giving you, you won't be taxed 90%.

But trying to explain a progressive tax system to a conservative is about as effective as trying to explain that the KKK isn't made up of liberal democrats.

Have you ever considered posting without a dick lodged up your ass?

[RichardCranium]

Apparently some rando named Andrew Yang made it in Tucker Carlson. I say full speed to him.

Yang Gang 2020. This guy wants a universal income of $1000/mo and Medicare for all.

[Tgo01]

Slave reparations isn't enough! In a bid to outleft the far left Beto is now suggesting increasing tax rates on white people and giving that money directly to blacks. Not just decedents of slaves, but all blacks.

How is the left going to pander to the black vote even further than that? Sending federal agents to the homes of whites, kicking them out, and escorting in a black family to live in there while the white people continue to pay the mortgage and upkeep? Or did I beat Elizabeth Warren to her next campaign promise?

[Back]

Slave reparations isn't enough! In a bid to outleft the far left Beto is now suggesting increasing tax rates on white people and giving that money directly to blacks. Not just decedents of slaves, but all blacks.

How is the left going to pander to the black vote even further than that? Sending federal agents to the homes of whites, kicking them out, and escorting in a black family to live in there while the white people continue to pay the mortgage and upkeep? Or did I beat Elizabeth Warren to her next campaign promise?

Can you post a link, please? Thanks.

[Tgo01]

Can you post a link, please? Thanks.

Sure.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/beto-orourke-suggests-using-tax-system-to-transfer-wealth-from-wealthy-whites-to-blacks


“One very obvious opportunity — but it will be insufficient. When we look at the fact that there’s 10 times the wealth today in white America than there is in black America, and that families have been able to successfully pass on that wealth over time," O'Rourke responded.

We know from our history of redlining and excluding African Americans from the ability to build wealth through home purchases, that opportunity does not exist for much of the country," O'Rourke said. "What if in the tax code we did a better job of breaking down that accumulated wealth, of taxing it so it is not producing the greatest income and wealth inequality that we’ve seen in our lifetimes, unseen since the Gilded Age of the 19th century? What if we decided that we would use the proceeds to invest in people, in education?”

[Tgo01]

Not to be out done in out-far-lefting one another with tax dollar giveaways, Kamala Harris has promised to give every teacher an average of 13.5k raise.

Of course this ignores the fact that teachers are state employees, but still! Bribe those teachers for dem votes!

Kamala Harris' teacher give away is something like 40 billion dollars a year. What are Democrats up to now with their give aways? Gotta be nearing half a trillion dollars a year now if not more.

[Gelston]

Not to be out done in out-far-lefting one another with tax dollar giveaways, Kamala Harris has promised to give every teacher an average of 13.5k raise.

Of course this ignores the fact that teachers are state employees, but still! Bribe those teachers for dem votes!

Kamala Harris' teacher give away is something like 40 billion dollars a year. What are Democrats up to now with their give aways? Gotta be nearing half a trillion dollars a year now if not more.

There are federally employed teachers though, loser. Reported.

[Tgo01]

There are federally employed teachers though, loser. Reported.

Like, which ones? I'm trying to think of a case where a teacher is a federal employee.

Teachers on a military base? I would think those would be private contractors at most, does that still count as a federal employee?

I can't even think of another instance where there would be a federal teacher.

[Ashlander]

Like, which ones? I'm trying to think of a case where a teacher is a federal employee.

Teachers on a military base? I would think those would be private contractors at most, does that still count as a federal employee?

I can't even think of another instance where there would be a federal teacher.

Teachers in DC maybe?

[Gelston]

Like, which ones? I'm trying to think of a case where a teacher is a federal employee.

Teachers on a military base? I would think those would be private contractors at most, does that still count as a federal employee?

I can't even think of another instance where there would be a federal teacher.

DODEA teachers are federal employees, mostly military bases, they are not contractors.

[Tgo01]

Teachers in DC maybe?

I think they would be employed by the city of DC, not sure though because DC is weird.


DODEA teachers are federal employees, mostly military bases, they are not contractors.

We'll just have to assume I'm right.

[Neveragain]

Not to be out done in out-far-lefting one another with tax dollar giveaways, Kamala Harris has promised to give every teacher an average of 13.5k raise.

Of course this ignores the fact that teachers are state employees, but still! Bribe those teachers for dem votes!

Kamala Harris' teacher give away is something like 40 billion dollars a year. What are Democrats up to now with their give aways? Gotta be nearing half a trillion dollars a year now if not more.

Honestly. With the technology we have today, we have no need for physical school rooms. It has to be cheaper to have free access to an online schoolroom and fund computers for low income kids. It surprises me we haven't done that already but then it doesn't because we have retarded leaders.

[Gelston]

Honestly. With the technology we have today, we have no need for physical school rooms. It has to be cheaper to have free access to an online schoolroom and fund computers for low income kids. It surprises me we haven't done that already but then it doesn't because we have retarded leaders.

Yeah! Fuck socialization! Those little bastards can just sit in their room and learn from the glowing box!

[Gelston]

I think they would be employed by the city of DC, not sure though because DC is weird.



We'll just have to assume I'm right.

The city of DC is Federally run. All employees of DC are Federal employees.

[Tgo01]

Honestly. With the technology we have today, we have no need for physical school rooms. It has to be cheaper to have free access to an online schoolroom and fund computers for low income kids. It surprises me we haven't done that already but then it doesn't because we have retarded leaders.

Would probably be a nightmare for parents who have a job that coincides with their kid's school schedule, which I'm assuming is a lot of parents.

[Gelston]

Would probably be a nightmare for parents who have a job that coincides with their kid's school schedule, which I'm assuming is a lot of parents.

Especially low income families. It also helps them to feed their little cretins.

People always forget one huge aspect of actually going to school is learning socialization skills. You can't really do that on the internet.

[Tgo01]

The city of DC is Federally run. All employees of DC are Federal employees.

Are you sure? We'll again have to assume I'm right.

[Gelston]

Are you sure? We'll again have to assume I'm right.

Umm... Yes, it is. Did you fail Civics and US History?

[Tgo01]

People always forget one huge aspect of actually going to school is learning socialization skills. You can't really do that on the internet.

Just let them play Fortnite during recess breaks, they'll have fantastic socialization skills.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKWvdg8fyWU

[Tgo01]

Umm... Yes, it is. Did you fail Civics and US History?

But I'm never wrong so we'll just have to assume I'm right.

[Gelston]

But I'm never wrong so we'll just have to assume I'm right.

You're wrong about most things in life. Your mother was a hamster.

[Neveragain]

Would probably be a nightmare for parents who have a job that coincides with their kid's school schedule, which I'm assuming is a lot of parents.

I would imagine over the coming years we will be seeing more people working at home anyway. I think it's pretty much inevitable that we get to the point where most people don't go to a physical workplace and probably not that far into the future.

I'm really looking forward to 5g, I'll probably be able to get rid of my cable provider then.

To be honest, I'm starting to become a little more interested in a universal income under a complete overhaul of our welfare system. I think I would maybe vote for Yang over Trump.

[Neveragain]

Especially low income families. It also helps them to feed their little cretins.

People always forget one huge aspect of actually going to school is learning socialization skills. You can't really do that on the internet.

I'm not so sure it's the job of the school to teach socialization skills.

[Ashlander]

Your mother was a hamster.

True story Tgo's mom tried to eat him as a baby.

[Tgo01]

True story Tgo's mom tried to eat him as a baby.

:(

[Methais]

Yeah! Fuck socialization! Those little bastards can just sit in their room and learn from the glowing box!

SOCIALIZING IS SOCIALIST IT SAYS SOCIAL RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[Parkbandit]

Beto, "relaunching" his Presidential campaign, decided to Livestream his haircut....

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnguishedWealthyEthiopianwolf-small.gif

[Tgo01]

Beto, "relaunching" his Presidential campaign, decided to Livestream his haircut....

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnguishedWealthyEthiopianwolf-small.gif

He's just a sad little man now. Well...even more sad than before.

[Methais]

I didn’t know Beto was so cool and hip. He’s got my vote now for sure!!!!!!!!

BETO4LYFE!

[Parkbandit]

He's just a sad little man now. Well...even more sad than before.

He's just so unauthentic. Fake.

Say what you want about Biden, but he's 50% more authentic than people like Beto or Warren.

[Parkbandit]

Bill de Blasio has decided to get into the Democrat clown car for the 2020 Democrat nomination for President.

Like, do you make money running for President or something? There has to be a reason someone as bad as De Blasio is running, even though he has to know he has absolutely no chance of winning.

So, do you pay yourself a salary out of campaign contributions or something?

[Parkbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHDhsPyJzvk

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/12480329/eKTJdjIERZG5ZJH0Najf_j8.0.gif

[Gelston]

Bill de Blasio has decided to get into the Democrat clown car for the 2020 Democrat nomination for President.

Like, do you make money running for President or something? There has to be a reason someone as bad as De Blasio is running, even though he has to know he has absolutely no chance of winning.

So, do you pay yourself a salary out of campaign contributions or something?

You live completely free while running, off campaign donations.

Plus, you get to be the center of attention a lot of times. I'm positive many, if not most, of the people in politics went into politics because they love that.

[Methais]

You live completely free while running, off campaign donations.

Plus, you get to be the center of attention a lot of times. I'm positive many, if not most, of the people in politics went into politics because they love that.

De Blasio is worth like $145m, so he's probably just in it for the attention.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/81Ja1qE3lfmG4/giphy.gif

EDIT: Nevermind, some other sites are saying he's worth 1.5-2m. Don't know where that one site (http://celebsiren.com/bill-de-blasio-bio/) is getting $145m from if he's only worth 2.

[Gelston]

De Blasio is worth like $145m, so he's probably just in it for the attention.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/81Ja1qE3lfmG4/giphy.gif

EDIT: Nevermind, some other sites are saying he's worth 1.5-2m. Don't know where that one site (http://celebsiren.com/bill-de-blasio-bio/) is getting $145m from if he's only worth 2.

Maybe they confused him with Bloomberg, although he isn't even worth 145m.

[Stumplicker]

Hey, if somebody came to you and was like "Hey I wanna put six million dollars into a fund so you can run for X", you'd give it some serious consideration if you didn't have anything more important going on. Hell, Mike Huckabee never really had a shot, but he ran his campaign out and parlayed his failure into a talk show.

Same deal as those who know they're out of the race but still have money left in the campaign fund. Sure, they could drop out early, donate all the leftover campaign contributions to some charity...or they could let their friends and family, close supporters, get paid for another couple months to continue running a lost cause campaign.

[~Rocktar~]

He's just so unauthentic. Fake.

Say what you want about Biden, but he's 50% more authentic than people like Beto or Warren.

This is not a high bar.

[Methais]

This is not a high bar.

It's still more than 0 though.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=GQJRfjid8T8

Why does Booker remind me of someone like Backlash? He literally didn't answer the question of "Specifically what in your plan would have prevented this tragedy" and he just went into his speech puke.

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=GQJRfjid8T8

Why does Booker remind me of someone like Backlash? He literally didn't answer the question of "Specifically what in your plan would have prevented this tragedy" and he just went into his speech puke.

Because they both have no idea wtf they're talking about. Back at least isn't a policy maker so he can say "smarter people can come up with a plan."

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Booker is the spartacus of virtue signalers.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=GQJRfjid8T8

Why does Booker remind me of someone like Backlash? He literally didn't answer the question of "Specifically what in your plan would have prevented this tragedy" and he just went into his speech puke.

Blacklash.

[Parkbandit]

In a game of one upmanship to see which Democrat candidate can hand out the most money and buy votes, Cory "Spartacus" Booker has taken the lead with his "Baby Bonds" pledge. $1000.00 to each baby born in the US and then additional money added to each account on a sliding scale depending on their parent's income.

I mean it's only what.. 4 million babies born in the US each year... so that's only 4 billion a year plus whatever else is deemed "necessary"...

I declare Corky in the lead, given that he hasn't said no to any other candidate's plans.

Well done Spartacus... well done.

https://media.giphy.com/media/G56ZHckGDXEcw/200.gif

[Tgo01]

In a game of one upmanship to see which Democrat candidate can hand out the most money and buy votes, Cory "Spartacus" Booker has taken the lead with his "Baby Bonds" pledge. $1000.00 to each baby born in the US and then additional money added to each account on a sliding scale depending on their parent's income.

I mean it's only what.. 4 million babies born in the US each year... so that's only 4 billion a year plus whatever else is deemed "necessary"...

I declare Corky in the lead, given that he hasn't said no to any other candidate's plans.

Well done Spartacus... well done.

https://media.giphy.com/media/G56ZHckGDXEcw/200.gif

Looks like Warren is already on the warpath to outspend Booker's latest spending spree:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-warren-idUSKCN1T51QZ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+ Content&utm_content=5cf6f9415f25b20001a169bd&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter


DETROIT (Reuters) - Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Elizabeth Warren proposed on Tuesday spending $2 trillion on a new “green manufacturing” program to address climate change that would invest in research and exporting American clean energy technology.

What are the Democrats up to now, like 150 trillion dollars in additional spending? The election is still over a year away!

[Alfster]

I do agree with her that our defense spending is incredibly bloated. Price tag is way too high.

Guess she'll just end up calling it a national emergency and we're stuck with the bill.

[Parkbandit]

I do agree with her that our defense spending is incredibly bloated. Price tag is way too high.

Guess she'll just end up calling it a national emergency and we're stuck with the bill.

We take in 4 trillion dollars a year.

What they are campaigning on, we can't even begin to afford it.

Like at all.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I do agree with her that our defense spending is incredibly bloated. Price tag is way too high.

Guess she'll just end up calling it a national emergency and we're stuck with the bill.

15% of all federal spending is for defense... doesn't seem incredibly bloated to me.

[~Rocktar~]

15% of all federal spending is for defense... doesn't seem incredibly bloated to me.

But that's 15% that could be used to buy more votes with welfare, social programs or abortions on demand. Think of the unbutchered babies for the love of Democrats.

[Parkbandit]

15% of all federal spending is for defense... doesn't seem incredibly bloated to me.

Hopefully, with Trump demanding NATO countries to start paying their fair share, we can spend less.

I'm all for spending less, as long as it doesn't sacrifice national security.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I try not to compare one item of spending against others... I mean we are the best country on the planet, I expect us to spend a lot. I'm just saying, 15% for defense isn't much to me when I think of the alternatives.

[Parkbandit]

I mean we are the best country on the planet

This is not the belief held by most of the Democrats running for President.

[Alfster]

15% of all federal spending is for defense... doesn't seem incredibly bloated to me.

It's 49% of discrentionary spending. It's also more than the next seven countries combined while coming up short on cyber security and taking care of veterans when they're home.

[Alfster]

Hopefully, with Trump demanding NATO countries to start paying their fair share, we can spend less.

I'm all for spending less, as long as it doesn't sacrifice national security.

You weren't concerned about the national security red flags with Trump's finances, Kushners clearance, ivankas clearance or both of their use of personal email accounts for official government business. Not to mention the other 23 overrides given.

You were concerned about Hillary's emails, which was certainly a national security issue as well.

No outrage over getting rid of the national cyber security director. No outrage over selling nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.

I could go on and on. You don't care about security. You care about the republican platform.

[Parkbandit]

You weren't concerned about the national security red flags with Trump's finances, Kushners clearance, ivankas clearance or both of their use of personal email accounts for official government business. Not to mention the other 23 overrides given.

You were concerned about Hillary's emails, which was certainly a national security issue as well.

No outrage over getting rid of the national cyber security director. No outrage over selling nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.

I could go on and on. You don't care about security. You care about the republican platform.

You most certainly could go on and on regurgitating MSNBC talking points.

Unfortunately, it doesn't make them real :(

[Tgo01]

It's 49% of discrentionary spending. It's also more than the next seven countries combined while coming up short on cyber security and taking care of veterans when they're home.

Discretionary spending just means congress has to approve of the funding every year whereas mandatory spending is legislated by law. Going by how much of a percentage of discretionary spending defense takes up doesn't really mean much, congress could pass laws putting every other item in the discretionary spending into the mandatory spending and then defense would take up 100% of the discretionary spending. Totally meaningless in this context except to try and showcase that our defense budget is too bloated.

We also don't really spend that much as a percent of our GDP, it's just that our GDP is so much larger than other countries, and many of those countries (like our allies who aren't spending enough) don't spend much on their defense.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's 49% of discrentionary spending. It's also more than the next seven countries combined while coming up short on cyber security and taking care of veterans when they're home.

Explain discretionary spending, and you'll make my point for me.

[RichardCranium]

It's 49% of discrentionary spending. It's also more than the next seven countries combined while coming up short on cyber security and taking care of veterans when they're home.

I agree with this whole-heartedly. I believe reallocating spending to take care of veterans when they come home is not only the least we can do but it will go a long way to attracting a better caliber of recruits overall.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I agree with this whole-heartedly. I believe reallocating spending to take care of veterans when they come home is not only the least we can do but it will go a long way to attracting a better caliber of recruits overall.

Where would you take it from?

It would appear that in 2018 the spend was ~220 billion (I can't tell if this is planned or actual... if it's planned, actual spending was higher), serving about 9M veterans, but lets bump that up to the total number of veterans of 18 million. So for an annual cost per veteran at 12K and change, we cover things like healthcare, funerals, education assistance, insurance, etc.

How much more should we spend per veteran? Keep in mind that the estimated total future pay of the above veterans is currently running at 2.5 trillion,

I don't disagree we can do better for our veterans, and I'm oversimplifying the problem by just using pure math as a cost per veteran. My point is the government could pour mountains of money at it, and still be crappy. Address the issues at the existing VA. We can't print money forever.

[Parkbandit]

Where would you take it from?

It would appear that in 2018 the spend was ~220 billion (I can't tell if this is planned or actual... if it's planned, actual spending was higher), serving about 9M veterans, but lets bump that up to the total number of veterans of 18 million. So for an annual cost per veteran at 12K and change, we cover things like healthcare, funerals, education assistance, insurance, etc.

How much more should we spend per veteran? Keep in mind that the estimated total future pay of the above veterans is currently running at 2.5 trillion,

I don't disagree we can do better for our veterans, and I'm oversimplifying the problem by just using pure math as a cost per veteran. My point is the government could pour mountains of money at it, and still be crappy. Address the issues at the existing VA. We can't print money forever.

The problem is that the government is in charge of the healthcare.

[Methais]

It's 49% of discrentionary spending. It's also more than the next seven countries combined while coming up short on cyber security and taking care of veterans when they're home.

I bet we pwn more than 7x as much as those countries combined though.


while coming up short on cyber security

That's only because pk won't get off the couch.

[Methais]

The problem is that the government is in charge of the healthcare.

This is correct.

[Tgo01]

What a shitshow this thing has become.

Biden has promised to cure cancer if he becomes president. No, this is real, he literally said he is going to cure cancer if he becomes president.

As if the massive hundreds of trillions of taxpayer dollars giveaways weren't enough, Democrats are now actually promising God like healing powers if you vote them into office.

To be fair to Biden though, I suppose the only way to top the ever increasing taxpayer giveaway is to in fact promise miracles.

How long before a Democrat presidential candidate promises no one will ever die again if they are elected president?

[Stumplicker]

You can bitch about a lot of stuff said by a lot of stupid people, but "I want to cure cancer" is probably a better tagline than "Murderous Mexican rapists are coming to kill and/or rape you.". It also at least promises a goal, unlike "Yes we can!!! (do something completely unspecified which turns out to be widespread NSA surveillance)".

[Tgo01]

You can bitch about a lot of stuff said by a lot of stupid people, but "I want to cure cancer" is probably a better tagline than "Murderous Mexican rapists are coming to kill and/or rape you.". It also at least promises a goal, unlike "Yes we can!!! (do something completely unspecified which turns out to be widespread NSA surveillance)".

First off Trump didn't say anything remotely close to that. Stop being such a Democrat pretending to be a conservative.

Second promising he will cure cancer (read not WANT to cure cancer, but WILL cure cancer) if elected president is about the most dishonest, piece of shit move someone can make. At least Trump's promise to secure the border was a realistic promise. Promising to cure cancer by being elected president is so wrong I can't even wrap my head around how anyone can defend such a careless promise. It's like those faith healers you used to see on TV all of the time.

"Just send me 500 dollars and I'll cure your cancer!"

"Just give me your vote and I'll cure your cancer!"

[Stumplicker]

First off Trump didn't say anything remotely close to that. Stop being such a Democrat pretending to be a conservative.

Second promising he will cure cancer (read not WANT to cure cancer, but WILL cure cancer) if elected president is about the most dishonest, piece of shit move someone can make. At least Trump's promise to secure the border was a realistic promise. Promising to cure cancer by being elected president is so wrong I can't even wrap my head around how anyone can defend such a careless promise. It's like those faith healers you used to see on TV all of the time.

"Just send me 500 dollars and I'll cure your cancer!"

"Just give me your vote and I'll cure your cancer!"

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

“What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/08/donald-trumps-false-comments-connecting-mexican-immigrants-and-crime/?utm_term=.1db9b19ee7f1

[Tgo01]

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

That was in a speech referring to illegal immigration. You have fallen for the liberal media spin, the same spin that said Trump referred to all immigrants as animals when he was specifically referring to MS-13 gang members as animals. Do better.

Enough of your dumb deflections already. Let's get back to how you're defending Biden for saying the cure to cancer that has eluded doctors and scientists for decades could all be finally solved if only we elected him as president! Faith healing is back! And it's coming to a White House near you!

[Stumplicker]

That was in a speech referring to illegal immigration. You have fallen for the liberal media spin, the same spin that said Trump referred to all immigrants as animals when he was specifically referring to MS-13 gang members as animals. Do better.

Enough of your dumb deflections already. Let's get back to how you're defending Biden for saying the cure to cancer that has eluded doctors and scientists for decades could all be finally solved if only we elected him as president! Faith healing is back! And it's coming to a White House near you!

What media spin? It's a direct quote. Hence the quotation marks.

[Candor]

First off Trump didn't say anything remotely close to that. Stop being such a Democrat pretending to be a conservative.

Second promising he will cure cancer (read not WANT to cure cancer, but WILL cure cancer) if elected president is about the most dishonest, piece of shit move someone can make. At least Trump's promise to secure the border was a realistic promise. Promising to cure cancer by being elected president is so wrong I can't even wrap my head around how anyone can defend such a careless promise. It's like those faith healers you used to see on TV all of the time.

"Just send me 500 dollars and I'll cure your cancer!"

"Just give me your vote and I'll cure your cancer!"

So far Democrats are doing a pretty decent job of ensuring Trump's reelection in 2020.

[Wrathbringer]

So far Democrats are doing a pretty decent job of ensuring Trump's reelection in 2020.

Lol @ your rep

[Tgo01]

What media spin? It's a direct quote. Hence the quotation marks.

Context matters. Like taking Trump out of context by claiming he was referring to all immigrants as animals when the discussion was specifically about MS-13 gang members. I just said this. Pay attention.

Also:

Enough of your dumb deflections already. Let's get back to how you're defending Biden for saying the cure to cancer that has eluded doctors and scientists for decades could all be finally solved if only we elected him as president! Faith healing is back! And it's coming to a White House near you!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I like Candor. You dicks should green rep him.

[Stumplicker]

Context matters. Like taking Trump out of context by claiming he was referring to all immigrants as animals when the discussion was specifically about MS-13 gang members. I just said this. Pay attention.

Also:

Enough of your dumb deflections already. Let's get back to how you're defending Biden for saying the cure to cancer that has eluded doctors and scientists for decades could all be finally solved if only we elected him as president! Faith healing is back! And it's coming to a White House near you!

There is no media spin in a direct quote. It's full sentences. Several quotes actually, from different dates. No one, in the history of the world, has considered Donald Trump a good human being. What he actually has done as President has been far different than the rhetoric he used to get there, but he said those things, and much more. That is the platform he ran on. "I'mma cure cancer" is a step up, regardless of who said it or whether or not they can deliver.

You go on accusing me of being too much of a "Democrat" for taking the "outlandish" position that Trump is a pretty shitty human being though. That seems to be working out for you. I can see myself getting all triggered soon!

[Tgo01]

There is no media spin in a direct quote. It's full sentences. Several quotes actually, from different dates. No one, in the history of the world, has considered Donald Trump a good human being. What he actually has done as President has been far different than the rhetoric he used to get there, but he said those things, and much more. That is the platform he ran on. "I'mma cure cancer" is a step up, regardless of who said it or whether or not they can deliver.

You go on accusing me of being too much of a "Democrat" for taking the "outlandish" position that Trump is a pretty shitty human being though. That seems to be working out for you. I can see myself getting all triggered soon!

Enough of your dumb deflections already. Let's get back to how you're defending Biden for saying the cure to cancer that has eluded doctors and scientists for decades could all be finally solved if only we elected him as president! Faith healing is back! And it's coming to a White House near you!

[Stumplicker]

Enough of your dumb deflections already. Let's get back to how you're defending Biden for saying the cure to cancer that has eluded doctors and scientists for decades could all be finally solved if only we elected him as president! Faith healing is back! And it's coming to a White House near you!

Faith healing seems more Mike Huckabee's bag than anybody on the left's.

[Tgo01]

Faith healing seems more Mike Huckabee's bag than anybody on the left's.

More deflections. Biden is literally promising to cure cancer if elected president. You really are a one trick pony with your deflections. Do some research on the topics and try thinking for yourself for a change instead of relying on Washington Post to do all of the thinking for you.

[Stumplicker]

More deflections. Biden is literally promising to cure cancer if elected president. You really are a one trick pony with your deflections. Do some research on the topics and try thinking for yourself for a change instead of relying on Washington Post to do all of the thinking for you.

Yeah that was just the first google link that had the quotes I googled. Would you like another source?

Edit:

BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-37230916/drug-dealers-criminals-rapists-what-trump-thinks-of-mexicans

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/trump-mexico-rapists/index.html

Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mexicans-rapists-remark-reference-2018-4

Time Magazine: http://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/16/trump-immigrants-animals-mexico-democrats-sanctuary-cities/617252002/

Would you like some more sources? Those were the next five after The Washington Post.

[Tgo01]

Yeah that was just the first google link that had the quotes I googled. Would you like another source?

Edit:

BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-37230916/drug-dealers-criminals-rapists-what-trump-thinks-of-mexicans

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/trump-mexico-rapists/index.html

Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mexicans-rapists-remark-reference-2018-4

Time Magazine: http://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/16/trump-immigrants-animals-mexico-democrats-sanctuary-cities/617252002/

Would you like some more sources? Those were the next five after The Washington Post.

More deflections. Biden is literally promising to cure cancer if elected president. You really are a one trick pony with your deflections. Do some research on the topics and try thinking for yourself for a change instead of relying on Washington Post, CNN, BBC, USAtoday to do all of the thinking for you.

I mean seriously, THOSE are the sources you went with? Back to Biden promising to cure cancer. I wonder when he will promise to solve the gun violence problem by promising people they will be immune to gunshots if elected president.

[Stumplicker]

More deflections. Biden is literally promising to cure cancer if elected president. You really are a one trick pony with your deflections. Do some research on the topics and try thinking for yourself for a change instead of relying on Washington Post, CNN, BBC, USAtoday to do all of the thinking for you.

I mean seriously, THOSE are the sources you went with? Back to Biden promising to cure cancer. I wonder when he will promise to solve the gun violence problem by promising people they will be immune to gunshots if elected president.

Here's an unaltered Youtube video of the first quote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TML2cApMueU

[Tgo01]

Here's an unaltered Youtube video of the first quote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TML2cApMueU

Look, if I comment on your deflection will you finally explain why you're defending Biden's comments about literally promising to cure cancer if elected president? Or are deflections and being led around by the nose by the media the only things you know how to do?

[Stumplicker]

Look, if I comment on your deflection will you finally explain why you're defending Biden's comments about literally promising to cure cancer if elected president? Or are deflections and being led around by the nose by the media the only things you know how to do?

You're asking me to defend a position I didn't take. So no. Good luck with that. Go ahead and re-read what I actually said without your rage blinders on.

[Tgo01]

You're asking me to defend a position I didn't take. So no. Good luck with that. Go ahead and re-read what I actually said without your rage blinders on.

Look at you trying to downplay your own shit.

"I just said it was a better tagline than this one I made up that Trump said! Then I deflected even more by saying that 'faith healer' described Hucakbee better than Biden! But I wasn't defending Biden's comments!"

You're pathetic. I think we're done here since you admitted that deflections and being lied to by the media are your only contributions to politics. Thanks.

[Stumplicker]

Look at you trying to downplay your own shit.

"I just said it was a better tagline than this one I made up that Trump said! Then I deflected even more by saying that 'faith healer' described Hucakbee better than Biden! But I wasn't defending Biden's comments!"

You're pathetic. I think we're done here since you admitted that deflections and being lied to by the media are your only contributions to politics. Thanks.

You seem confused and angry. Here's what I said:


You can bitch about a lot of stuff said by a lot of stupid people, but "I want to cure cancer" is probably a better tagline than "Murderous Mexican rapists are coming to kill and/or rape you.". It also at least promises a goal, unlike "Yes we can!!! (do something completely unspecified which turns out to be widespread NSA surveillance)".

Meant it. Still do. Still 100% accurate. Then you went off the rails claiming Trump never said anything like that and that I must be a democrat, so I showed you about a dozen times that he did. And here we are.

Best of luck with your delusions.

[Gelston]

You seem confused and angry. Here's what I said:



Meant it. Still do. Still 100% accurate. Then you went off the rails claiming Trump never said anything like that and that I must be a democrat, so I showed you about a dozen times that he did. And here we are.

Best of luck with your delusions.

You defended Biden and then deflected over 3 pages. What a retard.

[Tgo01]

Isn't it wrong for Biden to hold back the cure for cancer unless he's elected president? I think every family who loses a loved one to cancer from this point on should sue Biden for holding the cure hostage until a ransom is paid. Isn't this extortion on quite possibly the highest level imaginable?

[Gelston]

Isn't it wrong for Biden to hold back the cure for cancer unless he's elected president? I think every family who loses a loved one to cancer from this point on should sue Biden for holding the cure hostage until a ransom is paid. Isn't this extortion on quite possibly the highest level imaginable?

I'm just surprised that he will personally cure cancer. I don't know how he'll find the time to do that while Presidenting though.

[Tgo01]

I'm just surprised that he will personally cure cancer. I don't know how he'll find the time to do that while Presidenting though.

Don't question the Biden. You just vote for him or else you don't care about cancer patients.

[Gelston]

Don't question the Biden. You just vote for him or else you don't care about cancer patients.

And all forms of cancer too right!? BIDEN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

[Tgo01]

And all forms of cancer too right!? BIDEN TRAIN! CHOO CHOO

Yup. He didn't even qualify it by promising to just cure breast cancer, just the umbrella term "cancer."


I promise you if I'm elected president, you're going to see the single most important thing that changes America, we're gonna cure cancer

[Candor]

I like Candor. You dicks should green rep him.

Naww, that would really upset Wrathbringer. He has so dedicated himself to neg repping every post I make and making my rep go red. Take that accomplishment away and what would he have left?

Let the little twerp have his fun and the feeling of being important.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Naww, that would really upset Wrathbringer. He has so dedicated himself to neg repping every post I make and making my rep go red. Take that accomplishment away and what would he have left?

Let the little twerp have his fun and the feeling of being important.

Hello. Giving you Green rep is part of my bi-partisan bill to provide unfairly neg repped PC members with green rep. I call it the PCs Green New Deal, or PCGND. I'm also looking for (unpaid) volunteers to think of cool slogans and rep raising parties.

[Stumplicker]

I'm also looking for (unpaid) volunteers to think of cool slogans

"Red rep is heinous. Don't thumb my anus"

[Taernath]

Hello. Giving you Green rep is part of my bi-partisan bill to provide unfairly neg repped PC members with green rep. I call it the PCs Green New Deal, or PCGND. I'm also looking for (unpaid) volunteers to think of cool slogans and rep raising parties.

When Candor posts his posts, he's not posting his best. He's not posting yours. He's not posting yours. He's posting posts that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with them. They’re posts about drugs. They’re posts about crime. Posts about rapists. And some, I assume, are good posts.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

"Red rep is heinous. Don't thumb my anus"

This feels like a winner.

[Stumplicker]

This feels like a winner.

That's why they pay me the big bucks for marketing. I solely advertise in butt-related rhymes, like a Dutch proverb.

[Methais]

I like Candor. You dicks should green rep him.

Candor is beyond even my massive electronic penis fueled powers to turn green. I just tried. :(

[Methais]

There is no media spin in a direct quote. It's full sentences. Several quotes actually, from different dates. No one, in the history of the world, has considered Donald Trump a good human being


Trump was actually pretty loved by the media as a whole until he ran for president as a republican, with some media butthurt during the whole Obama birth certificate thing. But other than that the media loved him before he ran for president.

I'm sure if he ran as a democrat they'd be sucking on his asshole almost as much as they did Obama's.

[Methais]

Here's an unaltered Youtube video of the first quote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TML2cApMueU

Nice title "Trump calls Mexican's Rapists" :lol:

If Trump is saying Mexicans are rapists, why would he take the time to differentiate that they're "not sending their best"? Do you think he means they're not sending their best rapists?

I still don't get how anyone overlooked they're vs. their too. When I first heard this speech I interpreted it as "They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists, and some, I assume are good people."

But again, even if it was "they're" and not "their," if Trump feels that way about all Mexicans and not just a high percentage of illegal immigrants who come in through the Mexican border, why would he say anything that implies that most of the "good" immigrants come here legally and most of the "bad" ones come here illegally?

[Tgo01]

First Democrat debate is going to consist of:

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke
New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker
Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro
Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio
Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney
Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan

Former Vice President Joe Biden
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders
South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
California Sen. Kamala Harris
New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet
Author Marianne Williamson
California Rep. Eric Swalwell
Businessman Andrew Yang
Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper

The Democrat clown car is so big that I haven't even heard of a few of these people. How is that even possible?

[~Rocktar~]

First Democrat debate is going to consist of:

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke
New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker
Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro
Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio
Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney
Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan

Former Vice President Joe Biden
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders
South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
California Sen. Kamala Harris
New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet
Author Marianne Williamson
California Rep. Eric Swalwell
Businessman Andrew Yang
Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper

The Democrat clown car is so big that I haven't even heard of a few of these people. How is that even possible?

It should be a feeding frenzy or a snooze fest, either way it will be such a massive display of virtue signaling and wokeness I am sure the media will be playing all the best snippets for weeks. I wonder if we can get them into a bidding war on how much free stuff they want to give away and which diseases they will cure?

[Methais]

First Democrat debate is going to consist of:

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke
New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker
Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro
Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio
Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney
Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan

Former Vice President Joe Biden
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders
South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
California Sen. Kamala Harris
New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet
Author Marianne Williamson
California Rep. Eric Swalwell
Businessman Andrew Yang
Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper

The Democrat clown car is so big that I haven't even heard of a few of these people. How is that even possible?

https://media.giphy.com/media/tyqcJoNjNv0Fq/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

Warren has no chance. She's probably one of the worst possible candidates on that stage. She's absolute shit and her "FREE STUFF GIVEAWAY!" only works on the dumbest people in the worst cities.

[Gelston]

Warren has no chance. She's probably one of the worst possible candidates on that stage. She's absolute shit and her "FREE STUFF GIVEAWAY!" only works on the dumbest people in the worst cities.

You're talking to Macguyver there. Nothing he says is designed to be intelligent.

[Alfster]

What a shitshow this thing has become.

Biden has promised to cure cancer if he becomes president. No, this is real, he literally said he is going to cure cancer if he becomes president.

As if the massive hundreds of trillions of taxpayer dollars giveaways weren't enough, Democrats are now actually promising God like healing powers if you vote them into office.

To be fair to Biden though, I suppose the only way to top the ever increasing taxpayer giveaway is to in fact promise miracles.

How long before a Democrat presidential candidate promises no one will ever die again if they are elected president?

Trump said the same thing. Do you believe him?


"We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases - including cancer and others - and we're getting closer all the time."

[Methais]

Trump said the same thing. Do you believe him?


"We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases - including cancer and others - and we're getting closer all the time."

I'm sure we will. Eventually. Did Trump say he was going to cure cancer though like Biden did?

[Tgo01]

Trump said the same thing. Do you believe him?


"We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases - including cancer and others - and we're getting closer all the time."

Now you care because Trump said something similar?

Also this sounds like more of Trump's meandering from one point to the next.


We will push onward with new medical frontiers, we will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases, including cancer and others and we’re getting closer all the time.

It sounds like he had two disjointed thoughts going on here, pushing onward with new medical frontiers, including cancer, but also we will come up with the cures to many diseases and we're getting closer all of the time. He also didn't give a time frame, again with his meandering he could just be saying the US is getting closer to curing cancer all the time and that eventually we will find a cure. He also talked about landing on Mars, I highly doubt he meant within the next 4 years.

Not quite as on point as "I promise you if elected we will cure cancer."

Either way if Trump is promising to cure cancer if reelected then he's a dumbass too for promising that.

[Alfster]

Nah. I don't believe either of their promises and find them both stupid. Hoping I don't have to choose between these two. Bidens a terrible choice.

Trump did one up the cancer piece to say this.

“We will eradicate AIDS in America once and for all and we’re very close. We will lay the foundation for landing American astronauts on the surface of Mars.”

[Alfster]

I'm sure we will. Eventually. Did Trump say he was going to cure cancer though like Biden did?

They both said the same thing.

Biden - we're gonna cure cancer

Trump - We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases - including cancer

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I like Tulsi Gabbard for a nom, but don't think she'll ever get it.