2020 Democrat primary debates

[Androidpk]

You were the only guy here that complained in public about a girl masturbating.

Because I don't like girls masturbating or because it's close to midnight and I'm trying to sleep I don't like listening to a person have loud phone sex? You're retarded, but we all knew that already.

[Androidpk]

REMINDER THAT REP IS SUPER FUCKING SERIOUS GUYS

To PB and wrathbringer it's everything to them.

[Taernath]

To PB and wrathbringer it's everything to them.

Guaranteed part of the reason you get so much neg rep is because you react to it.

https://i.imgur.com/ejQ44Y7.jpg

[Astray]

I never understand why people get upset at Wrath but he only leaves me shart reps.

[Wrathbringer]

To PB and wrathbringer it's everything to them.

shart repped

[Androidpk]

Guaranteed part of the reason you get so much neg rep is because you react to it.

https://i.imgur.com/ejQ44Y7.jpg

Of course. I laugh at their attempts to get under my skin and it just triggers them even more. Even when people don't respond though they still get swamped with rep from those two. Look what happened when T4F had a hiatus from the PC for multiple months and PB was still sending rep as fast as he could cycle it.

[Androidpk]

I never understand why people get upset at Wrath but he only leaves me shart reps.

I don't think anyone is upset by Wrath. He's that one weird kid sitting in the corner eating crayons that everyone feels bad for.

[sellstuff1]

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[Taernath]

Of course. I laugh at their attempts to get under my skin and it just triggers them even more. Even when people don't respond though they still get swamped with rep from those two. Look what happened when T4F had a hiatus from the PC for multiple months and PB was still sending rep as fast as he could cycle it.

I dunno, when you post about him hammering your inbox clit it doesn't sound like you're laughing. But as long as you recognize your place in the Great Circle of Rep, that's the important part.

[Androidpk]

I dunno, when you post about him hammering your inbox clit it doesn't sound like you're laughing. But as long as you recognize your place in the Great Circle of Rep, that's the important part.

Inbox clits are no laughing matter, they're very sensitive.

[Astray]

I dunno, when you post about him hammering your inbox clit

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[Tgo01]

Because I don't like girls masturbating or because it's close to midnight and I'm trying to sleep I don't like listening to a person have loud phone sex? You're retarded, but we all knew that already.

The ever changing narrative of the woman who masturbated.

[sellstuff1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir5uGmMUS0g&feature=youtu.be

[Gelston]

What about Kamela Harris wanting the Government to completely take over healthcare, getting rid of Health Insurance companies?

[Stumplicker]

What about Kamela Harris wanting the Government to completely take over healthcare, getting rid of Health Insurance companies?

God, such a terrible fuckin' idea. Even with public school programs, private schools exist. Not to say that the public school program isn't a mess in its own right, but some of the unions play a large part in that, as well as crazy federal priorities. That's a different point though. The point is, eliminating one completely is a surefire recipe for failure. Private schools offer a pricier, but often safer, better option when executed properly, and that forces public schools to elevate their own game in some way. You take one away, and you've got the DMV or the Post Office. And fuck the DMV and the USPS. In every state (though Jersey has gotten quite good lately). But what are your other options? No reason to get better because there's no threat of loss. USPS has only recently started getting better because they lost so much business to the box-flying internet purchase world we live in, but there's still no threat to those employees if they do their jobs poorly.

[Neveragain]

What about Kamela Harris wanting the Government to completely take over healthcare, getting rid of Health Insurance companies?

I give her credit for at least admitting to being a full blown communist.

If one of these fools is elected president there will be a giant sucking sound made by all the wealth exiting the US.

[Gelston]

I give her credit for at least admitting to being a full blown communist.

If one of these fools is elected president there will be a giant sucking sound made by all the wealth exiting the US.

No, she is walking it back now.

[Solkern]

I give her credit for at least admitting to being a full blown communist.

If one of these fools is elected president there will be a giant sucking sound made by all the wealth exiting the US.

How do you connect gov’t controlled health care to communism? Having lived in three communist countries, I fail to see how they are linked.

How many have you lived in, or are you just talking out of your ass?

[Neveragain]

How do you connect gov’t controlled health care to communism? Having lived in three communist countries, I fail to see how they are linked.

How many have you lived in, or are you just talking out of your ass?

When government takes over private industry, that's communism. She said when asked if a person could keep their insurance she answered "No, there will be no private insurance."

I also connect gov't controlled healthcare to communism because the government now dictates every aspect of your life.

[Neveragain]

No, she is walking it back now.

Of course she is, Democrats can't tell the truth of what they really believe or they would never get elected.

[Solkern]

When government takes over private industry, that's communism.


Actually, no it’s not. Do you even know what communism is? Because it doesn't seem like you have the faintest idea except from what you hear in the media. Taking over one single aspect of funding for healthcare or even removing it from the private sector is far from communism. Healthcare in Russia, Vietnam and China are all govt controlled, people still pay, pick their doctors, what hospital they want and there are still TONS of private hospitals. And yes you still get medical insurance.
Doctors are paid by the gov’t but that doesn’t mean you don’t pay for shit, you need a CAT scan? You need surgery? Medicine? You still fucking pay, it just happens to be a lot cheaper(in our standards) but for people in these countries, it’s expensive as fuck. IMO this is good, cheaper would be better, wouldn’t it? why would you be against it?
Of course there are down sides to this as well that I don’t really want to elaborate on as I'm just lazy, but I will if you want me to.
Stop trying to link everything Democrats do, to communism. And I think I would know about this better than you, I’ve lived in communism countries for 12+ years.

What communism is, and what these gov't do, aren't always going to be the same thing.

Apologies for my passive aggressive post. I just dislike when people start labeling shit as communism, when it's clearly not.

I can see what she is doing as more Socialism than anything remotely close to Communism.

[Neveragain]

Actually, no it’s not. Taking over one single aspect of funding for healthcare is far from communism. Healthcare in Russia, Vietnam and China are all govt controlled, people still pay, pick their doctors, what hospital they want and there are still TONS of private hospitals. And yes you still get medical insurance.
Doctors are paid by the gov’t but that doesn’t mean you don’t pay for shit, you need a CAT scan? You need surgery? Medicine? You still fucking pay, it just happens to be a lot cheaper(in our standards) but for people in these countries, it’s expensive as fuck. IMO this is good, cheaper would be better wouldn’t it? why would you be against it?
Of course there are down sides to this as well that I don’t really want to elaborate on.
Stop trying to link everything Democrats do to communism. And I think I would know about this better than you, I’ve lived in communism countries for 12+ years.

Actually, yes, it is communism. In "your opinion" which I take with a grain of salt, considering you chose to live in a communist country, how do you think things would go down when the Federal government takes over 20% of the nations economy?

Dictator Kamala Harris: You no longer can be in business, the government now owns it.

Insurance companies: Yea, that's not happening

Dictator Kamala: Let the confiscations begin.

Insurance companies: Panic mode and a rush to funnel all their capital out of the country. Other industries follow suit because now the writing is on the wall.

Dictator Kamala: Tax revenue is vanishing, confiscate it all or I will never see my pipe dream come to fruition.

The sad part is that you actually believe that insurance companies are just going to hand over their business and just go silently into the night. Ignorance is bliss.

[Solkern]

Actually, yes, it is communism. In "your opinion" which I take with a grain of salt, considering you chose to live in a communist country, how do you think things would go down when the Federal government takes over 20% of the nations economy?

Dictator Kamala Harris: You no longer can be in business, the government now owns it.

Insurance companies: Yea, that's not happening

Dictator Kamala: Let the confiscations begin.

Insurance companies: Panic mode and a rush to funnel all their capital out of the country. Other industries follow suit because now the writing is on the wall.

Dictator Kamala: Tax revenue is vanishing, confiscate it all or I will never see my pipe dream come to fruition.

Like I said before, there is STILL insurance in the countries I mentioned above. so you point isn't valid.
I have medical Insurance in Russia from a private insurance company. So please tell me how removing medical insurance is communism?
Because according to your argument, I shouldn't have medical insurance at all, and there shouldn't be any in these countries.
Like I said before, what communism is, and what gov'ts do aren't always the same thing.

[sellstuff1]

What about Kamela Harris wanting the Government to completely take over healthcare, getting rid of Health Insurance companies?

Good. US is ranked 27th in terms of access to health care and education. That's down from 6th in 1990. If you've ever suffered from a chronic illness, you'd understand that dealing with a health insurance company is pulling teeth.

If our health insurance companies are providing such a great boon to the citizens of the United States, then why do so many go to Mexico for treatment? Why do so many go to Canada for treatment? Because the same treatment will cost up to 80% less by ditching your health insurance plan and paying for treatment outside the country.

Dental insurance is another mess. The cost of dental work has more than tripled in the past 20 years for procedures like crowns, fillings and root canals. Most dental plans will only cover $1000 a year, with a $300 deductible. That's not even enough for a single root canal to be covered.

Privatizing health care encourages collusion among what should be competing insurance providers - the cost of procedures have risen at an astronomical rate in the past 30 years. If capitalism actually worked here, the cost of the procedures should, at the very worst, advance to match with the rate of inflation. Instead, major procedures will bankrupt even middle-class families. How does any of this make sense when the top 16 countries for health care around the world have socialized health care?

It's almost like McCarthyism is alive and well today on these boards.

[Neveragain]

Like I said before, there is STILL insurance in the countries I mentioned above. so you point isn't valid.
I have medical Insurance in Russia from a private insurance company. So please tell me how removing medical insurance is communism?
Because according to your argument, I shouldn't have medical insurance at all, and there shouldn't be any in these countries.
Like I said before, what communism is, and what gov'ts do aren't always the same thing.

Dude, she straight up said there would be no private health insurance. Clean the borscht out of your ears.

How is it communism? It's communism because the government would forcefully take over and run a private industry. Everything she said on the subject sounds like it was coming out of Karl Marxs mouth.

[Solkern]

Good. US is ranked 27th in terms of access to health care and education. That's down from 6th in 1990. If you've ever suffered from a chronic illness, you'd understand that dealing with a health insurance company is pulling teeth.

If our health insurance companies are providing such a great boon to the citizens of the United States, then why do so many go to Mexico for treatment? Why do so many go to Canada for treatment? Because the same treatment will cost up to 80% less by ditching your health insurance plan and paying for treatment outside the country.

Dental insurance is another mess. The cost of dental work has more than tripled in the past 20 years for procedures like crowns, fillings and root canals. Most dental plans will only cover $1000 a year, with a $300 deductible. That's not even enough for a single root canal to be covered.

Privatizing health care encourages collusion among what should be competing insurance providers - the cost of procedures have risen at an astronomical rate in the past 30 years. If capitalism actually worked here, the cost of the procedures should, at the very worst, advance to match with the rate of inflation. Instead, major procedures will bankrupt even middle-class families. How does any of this make sense when the top 16 countries for health care around the world have socialized health care?

It's almost like McCarthyism is alive and well today on these boards.

I got my root canal, core and post, and crown for $400 in Russia, and the dentist did an amazing job. I don't even want to imagine how much it would cost in the states.

[Solkern]

Dude, she straight up said there would be no private health insurance. Clean the borscht out of your ears.

How is it communism? It's communism because the government would forcefully take over and run a private industry. Everything she said on the subject sounds like it was coming out of Karl Marxs mouth.

Dude, my point exactly, if you think taking away medical insurance IS communism, and I live in a Communist country and I STILL have medical insurance, what does that say? That obviously it's not communism?!

What communism is, and what gov'ts do aren't always the same. Taking over private sector isn't automatically communism! Last I checked most of the EU have gov't controlled healthcare, do they not? Are they communist countries? Cause from my stand point, the healthcare in the "communist" countries I live in and have lived in scream more socialism than communism.

[Neveragain]

I'm incapable of taking care of myself, I need government to steal from other people and pay my way. Oh, and there is no corruption in the church of government.

We already went over how medicare is trillions in debt and I was like "How do you expand coverage when you're trillions in debt?" and you didn't answer because you know the government would have to steal more money.

35 trillion is the price tag for Dictator Kamalas fantasy.

[Neveragain]

Dude, my point exactly, if you think taking away medical insurance IS communism, and I live in a Communist country and I STILL have medical insurance, what does that say? That obviously it's not communism?!

What communism is, and what gov'ts do aren't always the same.

Communism is the public ownership of industry. Isn't that exactly what Dictator Kamala wants, the government running health insurance and banning private health insurance?

You need to lay off the vodka.

[Solkern]

Communism is the public ownership of industry. Isn't that exactly what Dictator Kamala wants, the government running health insurance and banning private health insurance?

You need to lay off the vodka.


Like I said before, what communism is and what gov'ts do aren't always the same. so explain to me, I live in a communist country, That has gov't controlled healthcare. yet I still have medical insurance by a private company. so I guess I don't live in a communist country? please explain to me.

[Fortybox]

Like I said before, what communism is and what gov'ts do aren't always the same. so explain to me, I live in a communist country, That has gov't controlled healthcare. yet I still have medical insurance by a private company. so I guess I don't live in a communist country? please explain to me.

Sounds like you have private insurance because the free care sucks.

[Solkern]

Communism is the public ownership of industry. Isn't that exactly what Dictator Kamala wants, the government running health insurance and banning private health insurance?

You need to lay off the vodka.

I'm not quite sure you know the difference between socialism and communism, cause most don't and most people use them interchangeably

[Solkern]

Sounds like you have private insurance because the free care sucks.


Nah my free care isn't bad at all, my Russian just isn't good enough to discuss medical procedures and what not. So I prefer to go to a private hospital with English speaking staff.
But in terms of the public hospitals? They aren't that bad tbh. When I'm with my wife and she's free we would go to the public hospital.

[Neveragain]

Like I said before, what communism is and what gov'ts do aren't always the same. so explain to me, I live in a communist country, That has gov't controlled healthcare. yet I still have medical insurance by a private company. so I guess I don't live in a communist country? please explain to me.

It's easy to explain. There's this thing where words have defined meanings. The government taking over a private industry is communist. People that espouse those ideas are communists.

The reason you have private insurance in a "communist country" is because communism fell flat on it's face in '91.

[sellstuff1]

We already went over how medicare is trillions in debt and I was like "How do you expand coverage when you're trillions in debt?" and you didn't answer because you know the government would have to steal more money.

35 trillion is the price tag for Dictator Kamalas fantasy.

You're a lot worse at strawmanning than Dreaven is. You should take some lessons.

If you're so concerned about debt, then why does Trump's wall fantasy causing an $11 billion loss of productivity not phase you?

[Solkern]

It's easy to explain. There's this thing where words have defined meanings. The government taking over a private industry is communist. People that espouse those ideas are communists.

The reason you have private insurance in a "communist country" is because communism fell flat on it's face in '91.

So England and most of the EU are communist countries, I mean the gov't took over healthcare there. is that what you're saying? anytime the private sector is taken over by the gov't it's automatically communism!

[Solkern]

It's easy to explain. There's this thing where words have defined meanings. The government taking over a private industry is communist. People that espouse those ideas are communists.

The reason you have private insurance in a "communist country" is because communism fell flat on it's face in '91.


Had medical insurance in China as well, and communism is still very much alive there as well

[Neveragain]

You're a lot worse at strawmanning than Dreaven is. You should take some lessons.

If you're so concerned about debt, then why does Trump's wall fantasy causing an $11 billion loss of productivity not phase you?

It does not concern me because if those 11 billion in taxes were not collected they would have been injected into the economy in other forms. But let's not pretend that those dollars won't be spent now that they have been freed up. What does concern me is that the church of government could still muster the man force to collect taxes when it was not delivering services.

Nice strawman.

[Neveragain]

Had medical insurance in China as well, and communism is still very much alive there as well

You seem to not understand the concept of words having definitions.

Interesting to note "from Latin communis, "common,universal"

Universal healthcare, but it's not communism.

[sellstuff1]

It does not concern me because if those 11 billion in taxes were not collected they would have been injected into the economy in other forms. But let's not pretend that those dollars won't be spent now that they have been freed up. What does concern me is that the church of government could still muster the man force to collect taxes when it was not delivering services.

Nice strawman.

Spend money on hating an enemy that doesn't exist = good

Spend money on ensuring the health of our citizens = bad

Congrats, you drank the kool-aid. Nah, you stripped naked and dove into a vat of it.

[Neveragain]

Spend money on hating an enemy that doesn't exist = good

Spend money on ensuring the health of our citizens = bad

Congrats, you drank the kool-aid. Nah, you stripped naked and dove into a vat of it.

Who said I hate Mexicans? I just expect them to knock on the front door instead of coming here illegally.

Remember that time the federal government tested syphilis on black men and told them they were receiving free healthcare? Were they just ensuring the health of poor black people, the church of government is great at caring for it's servants.

[Wrathbringer]

Who said I hate Mexicans? I just expect them to knock on the front door instead of coming here illegally.

Remember that time the federal government tested syphilis on black men and told them they were receiving free healthcare? Were they just ensuring the health of poor black people, the church of government is great at caring for it's servants.

You are arguing with a retard.

[Stumplicker]

You seem to not understand the concept of words having definitions.

Interesting to note "from Latin communis, "common,universal"

Universal healthcare, but it's not communism.

There you have it. No need to read Marx, everybody! The dictionary definition is just way, way shorter. Less than a page, even, and it contains all the details of the communist form of government you'll ever need!

Edit to add: That's why when I'm in Germany and somebody hands me a pen, I'm like "THIS ISN'T A BALL, YOU SON OF A BITCH! Are you trying to swindle me?!". Then I leave Germany and go instead to communist Canada with its universal healthcare.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eQc-ldoX3yI/hqdefault.jpg

For the motherland, comrades.

[Androidpk]

I'm not quite sure you know the difference between socialism and communism, cause most don't and most people use them interchangeably

GS4Pirate/Neveragain has shown time and time again that he has no understanding of how governments work and operate.

[Solkern]

GS4Pirate/Neveragain has shown time and time again that he has no understanding of how governments work and operate.

He started to get into the Fascism territory

[Astray]

I swear to God, I am going to start pistol whipping the Stump.

[Solkern]

GS4Pirate/Neveragain has shown time and time again that he has no understanding of how governments work and operate.


I repeatedly said what communism actually is and what gov’ts actually do, aren’t always the same.

[Stumplicker]

I swear to God, I am going to start pistol whipping the Stump.

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[Astray]

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[Methais]

Which is precisely why you hammer the rep button as if it were your clit, for years on end, because you have no capacity to control your raging emotions. Thanks for providing all the laughs though, Mr. Totally Normal Classy Dude. And yes, it is an inbox. Rep comments are private messages are they not? And you get notifications for them do you not? How do you not even know how computers and the internet work, gramps?

He said inability you retarded illiterate creeper. Stop attending time4fun's reading comprehension classes and stick to being her dildo tester. It's the only thing you're good at other than being a slob.


And yes, it is an inbox. Rep comments are private messages are they not? And you get notifications for them do you not?

PMs go to your inbox. Rep goes to your control panel. Notifications don't mean shit. I have notifications on fb now for activity on public posts. Are those private messages now too you fucking idiot? :lol:


How do you not even know how computers and the internet work, gramps?

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We all know you get angry when women hammer their clit.

:lol:


Sorry, not gay like you.

SICK BURN BRO DO IT AGAIN!


Because I don't like girls masturbating


Because I don't like girls


I don't like girls

Finally some honesty from pk.




Of course. I laugh at their attempts to get under my skin and it just triggers them even more. Even when people don't respond though they still get swamped with rep from those two. Look what happened when T4F had a hiatus from the PC for multiple months and PB was still sending rep as fast as he could cycle it.

Remember when you got so triggered that you tried to stalk me irl and get me fired and dox me to Antifa and said you were gonna have your pro bono lawyer subpoena Kranar for IP information on people here, but you failed at all of it because you're a moron and then scrubbed a bunch of scumbag posts and pretended you never made them even though they're quoted all over the place but you doubled down on stupid anyway because you're stupid? I'm sure you did all of that because you're soooooooooooo not triggered.


I have shown time and time again that I have no understanding of how anything works and operates.

This is correct.

[Neveragain]

He started to get into the Fascism territory

PK has shown time and time again that if you send him red rep he will stalk you, dox you, threaten litigation, steal from you and cry about his room mates masturbation


GS4Pirate/Neveragain has shown time and time again that he has no understanding of how governments work and operate.


Communism is a political and economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which the major means of production, such as mines and factories, are owned and controlled by the public.

How is "There will be no private insurance companies, it will be ran by the government" not a communist ideal?

[audioserf]

Can you guys fucking imagine just how mad Trump would get at a rep system when he found out how to find his red reps lmao

[peam]

I repeatedly said what communism actually is and what gov’ts actually do, aren’t always the same.

You are wasting your time.

[Solkern]

PK has shown time and time again that if you send him red rep he will stalk you, dox you, threaten litigation, steal from you and cry about his room mates masturbation





How is "There will be no private insurance companies, it will be ran by the government" not a communist ideal?

You do realize there is actually no government in true communism?
You’re thinking and ideas are facisim, or socialism, not communism.
I’ve spent years upon years researching and understanding communism, it’s actually quite beautiful on paper... in actual practice? That’s something different
And in case it does come up, I’m not a Democrat or a Republican.
Im a fucking Russian communist double agent!

[Methais]

You do realize there is actually no government in true communism?

True communism died with Nikolai Volkoff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TVU-sjy5_4

[Solkern]

True communism died with Nikolai Volkoff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TVU-sjy5_4

Oooh you brought back some memories! I miss the old school WWF!

[Neveragain]

You do realize there is actually no government in true communism?

Now you're describing anarchism.


it’s actually quite beautiful on paper

When it's read by an idiot, I'm sure it does.

[Solkern]

Now you're describing anarchism.



When it's read by an idiot, I'm sure it does.

Ooh now he starts with the insults, I’m not surprised. Why don’t you actually do some research before you start labeling shit you have no clue about? Cause it’s quite obvious you don’t know a damn thing.

[Solkern]

Now you're describing anarchism.



When it's read by an idiot, I'm sure it does.


Here, let me help you out.
Communist's and Anarchist's desired outcomes are very similar but with different motivations.

Communists who agree with what Lenin wrote in "The State and Revolution" and what Marx and Engels wrote, believe that the state will "wither away" when what Lenin calls "class antagonisms" vanish. The state emerged as a tool for class control, and they believe it will fade away as there is no class to dominate or be dominated by another.

"Class" in this sense is referring to whether someone sells their labor to an employer, or an employer who sells products and services created by their workers.

Anarchists want to immediately abolish all unjustified hierarchies.

To summarize, communists and anarchists both desire a very similar end. They both want a society without class hierarchy and without a state. The difference lies in how they want to get there. Communists think the state will wither away as the proletariat (workers) become the only class, and anarchists think that the state must be dismantled near immediately to usher in their ideal society.


Like I said, you don’t know what you are talking about, go read a book and do some research, hell even a google search might help you become better informed.

[Astray]

I googled communist meme and got this.

https://meme.xyz/uploads/posts/t/l-11099-we-seize-the-means-of-production.jpg

[Neveragain]

Ooh now he starts with the insults, I’m not surprised. Why don’t you actually do some research before you start labeling shit you have no clue about? Cause it’s quite obvious you don’t know a damn thing.

How am I insulting anyone?

Honestly, if you read what the goal of communism is and believe it's obtainable, you have to have an IQ less than a retard.

I didn't ask if you believe communism is achievable, maybe you do, then the above applies.

[Solkern]

How am I insulting anyone?

Honestly, if you read what the goal of communism is and believe it's obtainable, you have to have an IQ less than a retard.

I didn't ask if you believe communism is achievable, maybe you do, then the above applies.

Did you read what I wrote? Did I say it was obtainable? I don’t think so, can you show me where I wrote that? I said on paper it’s beautiful, in actual practice, that’s something else.
Let me elaborate, communism in real life will never work.

What I’m arguing with you about is that you said some girl is going to make healthcare controlled by the govt and abolish insurance or something along those lines, you claimed that is communism. I said it’s not and it’s not even close to what communism is, or does.

And I’ll mention it again, what communism is and what govts do are not always the same thing.

I said communism on paper is beautiful, you said when it’s read by an idiot, which is something I’ve actially read and done research on. So you called me an idiot... which is an insult

[Neveragain]

Did you read what I wrote? Did I say it was obtainable? I don’t think so, can you show me where I wrote that? I said on paper it’s beautiful, in actual practice, that’s something else.
Let me elaborate, communism in real life will never work.

What I’m arguing with you about is that you said some girl is going to make healthcare controlled by the govt and abolish insurance or something along those lines, you claimed that is communism. I said it’s not and it’s not even close to what communism is, or does.

And I’ll mention it again, what communism is and what govts do are always the same thing.

I'm pretty sure I said I didn't ask if you believe communism is obtainable, let's check, shall we comrade Solkern?


I didn't ask if you believe communism is achievable, maybe you do, then the above applies.

Yup, I didn't ask. But for some reason you took it as an insult. Do you believe communism is achievable, is this why you took it as an insult?

[Solkern]

Now you're describing anarchism.



When it's read by an idiot, I'm sure it does.

Let me help you, since you seem to have a selective memory.
I’ve read it, I’ve done research, something you obviously haven’t done. Cause if you ask anyone who’s actually researched it in-depth, will tell you the same thing; it’s beautiful on paper.
So you called me an idiot.
Pretty sure that’s an insult?

[Neveragain]

Let me help you, since you seem to have a selective memory.
I’ve read it, I’ve done research, something you obviously haven’t done. Cause if you ask anyone who’s actually researched it in-depth, will tell you the same thing.

Then you would know, with all that research and stuff, that when the public (I.E. Government) takes over private industry it is indeed a communist act. Unless of course you believe a private company like United Health Group (184 billion in net revenue) is going to be all like "hey thanks for taking our business away, we didn't like all that revenue anyway. We love you comrade Kamala!"

I mean you have already confused a comment for an insult towards you. Knowing this I can see how easy it is for you to not recognize communists, like Kamala, when they are kicking you in the nuts.

[Solkern]

You are wasting your time.

Sadly, you were right.

[Stumplicker]

Sadly, you were right.

Don't worry. The majority of us understood the point you were making from the get-go. We're not all that far removed from reality.

[Solkern]

Don't worry. The majority of us understood the point you were making from the get-go. We're not all that far removed from reality.

Oh ok, glad majority understood what I was saying.

[Astray]

Oh ok, glad majority understood what I was saying.

I got you fam. I also agree, looks nice on paper, execution is an entirely different situation.

[peam]

Oh ok, glad majority understood what I was saying.

Anytime you bump heads against the local right-wing circlejerk, you're going to get nowhere.

If you post something reasoned and insightful, there will inevitably be a subset of the boards' readers who understand though you're 100x more likely to get one of the usual 5-6 suspects responding and either arguing in bad faith, what-abouting, or insulting you or their current favorite target.

[Tgo01]

If you post something reasoned and insightful

I hope you don't consider yourself as someone who ever posts something insightful.

Yes yes, peam, I know. "Chicks on the right."

At this point I'm almost 99% sure you are just an alt of Androidpk's.

[Alfster]

Unless of course you believe a private company like United Health Group (184 billion in net revenue) is going to be all like "hey thanks for taking our business away, we didn't like all that revenue anyway.

United is probably one of the worst choices to use here - as they have some of the shadiest practices in Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance.

They're losing multiple lawsuits for fraudulent activities - one of which is for more than a billion dollars. They're business practices fleeced more than a billion dollars from American tax payers. In order to prepare for the losing lawsuits, they're reducing their workforce each and every month.



This is exactly the type of company that policy should go after.

[Methais]

I got you fam. I also agree, looks nice on paper, execution is an entirely different situation.

Confirmed GS devs are communists.

[Methais]

Anytime you bump heads against the local right-wing circlejerk, you're going to get nowhere.

If you post something reasoned and insightful, there will inevitably be a subset of the boards' readers who understand though you're 100x more likely to get one of the usual 5-6 suspects responding and either arguing in bad faith, what-abouting, or insulting you or their current favorite target.

Yes this is totally exclusive to right wing people and not something anyone on the left or anywhere else has done or will ever do.

[Parkbandit]

Because I don't like girls masturbating or because it's close to midnight and I'm trying to sleep I don't like listening to a person have loud phone sex? You're retarded, but we all knew that already.

Most likely because you were just told off, called a mooch, a shitty roommate and an all around scumbag by your ex-roommate, so you felt the need to "get even" in a weak ass attempt to make her look badly.

Unfortunately, it backfired like everything else you attempt to do.

Because, at the end of the day.. you are at the root, a sociopath scumbag.

[Parkbandit]

What about Kamela Harris wanting the Government to completely take over healthcare, getting rid of Health Insurance companies?

She's trying to go harder left than anyone right now to secure the base vote.

[peam]

Yes this is totally exclusive to right wing people and not something anyone on the left or anywhere else has done or will ever do.

On this board? Basically.

Elsewhere? Sure, it's common behavior from all sides.

[Androidpk]

Most likely because you were just told off, called a mooch, a shitty roommate and an all around scumbag by your ex-roommate, so you felt the need to "get even" in a weak ass attempt to make her look badly.

Unfortunately, it backfired like everything else you attempt to do.

Because, at the end of the day.. you are at the root, a sociopath scumbag.

TRIGGGGGEREEED

[Wrathbringer]

TRIGGGGGEREEED

I notice youve stopped denying it. That's progress, I guess.

[Methais]

I notice youve stopped denying it. That's progress, I guess.

Know what else he hasn't denied?

https://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,w_680/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/txztxhzvz4bi8zkg0cht.jpg

+

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nSEAAOSwdJ9aTPFA/s-l300.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

Know what else he hasn't denied?

https://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,w_680/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/txztxhzvz4bi8zkg0cht.jpg

+

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nSEAAOSwdJ9aTPFA/s-l300.jpg

:lol:

[Gelston]

I don't want Government control of the Insurance/Medical industry because I know first hand how it is handled in the Military and the VA. I don't know why people think that on a vastly larger scale would be a good thing.

[Methais]

I don't want Government control of the Insurance/Medical industry because I know first hand how it is handled in the Military and the VA. I don't know why people think that on a vastly larger scale would be a good thing.

It’s because they work at the dollar store and plan to retire from it.

[Wrathbringer]

I don't want Government control of the Insurance/Medical industry because I know first hand how it is handled in the Military and the VA. I don't know why people think that on a vastly larger scale would be a good thing.

I haven't had any problems in my 22 years of VA healthcare. What are your concerns?

[Gelston]

I haven't had any problems in my 22 years of VA healthcare. What are your concerns?

People dying in the parking lots? Long waiting periods? Straight up neglect? As for the military hospitals, when I was stationed in Hawaii we used to call the Hospital (Tripler) Cripler there. They used to kill so many babies by giving them nitrogen instead of Oxygen.

We get it, you were a peacetime guy with no service connected issues so you never have to go there. Some people do.

[Wrathbringer]

People dying in the parking lots? Long waiting periods? Straight up neglect? As for the military hospitals, when I was stationed in Hawaii we used to call the Hospital (Tripler) Cripler there. They used to kill so many babies by giving them nitrogen instead of Oxygen.

We get it, you were a peacetime guy with no service connected issues so you never have to go there. Some people do.

I'm at the VA healthcare centers every month. How often do you have to go, you ignorant, know nothing about me fuck?

[Androidpk]

This is cute, is wrathbringer still pretending he was a marine?

[Androidpk]

People dying in the parking lots? Long waiting periods? Straight up neglect? As for the military hospitals, when I was stationed in Hawaii we used to call the Hospital (Tripler) Cripler there. They used to kill so many babies by giving them nitrogen instead of Oxygen.

We get it, you were a peacetime guy with no service connected issues so you never have to go there. Some people do.

Nitrogen??

[Gelston]

I'm at the VA healthcare centers every month. How often do you have to go, you ignorant, know nothing about me fuck?

Haha, Wraithbringer is triggered and is outed as a supporter of Socialism.

If you've been going to the VA for 22 years, you are a peacetime guy. Sry.

And just because shit doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have friends that work at the fuckers. There is a very large history of issues at the things. But no, get all triggered.

[Tgo01]

The VA my dad goes to was great for years, then a few years ago they started having like 6 month long waiting periods just to see a general practitioner.

[Taernath]

My experience with the VA has been that it's good... when you can get it. The main issue is getting things quickly scheduled. They've used to lose my paperwork regularly a few years ago. I also do most of my dad's VA stuff. This is all at the Phoenix VA where there have been a couple of suicides, btw.

[Gelston]

The VA my dad goes to was great for years, then a few years ago they started having like 6 month long waiting periods just to see a general practitioner.

They have rotating issues. Some are great. Some ignore people. Imagine that treating 300 million people, problems don't go away with increased sizes. They amplify.

[Wrathbringer]

Haha, Wraithbringer is triggered and is outed as a supporter of Socialism.

If you've been going to the VA for 22 years, you are a peacetime guy. Sry.

And just because shit doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have friends that work at the fuckers. There is a very large history of issues at the things. But no, get all triggered.

Just because shit happens to you, doesn't mean it happens to everyone. You're the one who first made the sweeping generalization that everyone dies in va parking lots, not me. Now you're the one ignorantly assuming I began VA care immediately after my service. Stupid grunt.

[Gelston]

Just because shit happens to you, doesn't mean it happens to everyone. You're the one who first made the sweeping generalization that everyone dies in va parking lots, not me. Now you're the one ignorantly assuming I began VA care immediately after my service. Stupid grunt.

Dude, do you want me to go through posting every article about all the shit that has happened at them? And where did I say EVERYONE? I said people have.

Are you now claiming to be a Vietnam vet? OR are you going to claim Exercise desert Storm? But like you enjoy pointing out, you weren't even Infantry, so whatever.

[Wrathbringer]

My experience with the VA has been that it's good... when you can get it. The main issue is getting things quickly scheduled. They've used to lose my paperwork regularly a few years ago. I also do most of my dad's VA stuff. This is all at the Phoenix VA where there have been a couple of suicides, btw.

Suicide is rampant among veterans. I don't blame the VA for that. I also am not a supporter of socialized medicine. I simply asked what Gelston's concerns were and he went all retard on me.

[Wrathbringer]

They have rotating issues. Some are great. Some ignore people. Imagine that treating 300 million people, problems don't go away with increased sizes. They amplify.

Now this is a reasonable answer to my question about your concerns. Asshole.

[Gelston]

Now this is a reasonable answer to my question about your concerns. Asshole.

Go back to being triggered. I enjoy trolling you more than Sellstuff1.

[Wrathbringer]

Go back to being triggered. I enjoy trolling you more than Sellstuff1.

Fuck you, brainless grunt.

[Gelston]

Fuck you, brainless grunt.

You are the guy that chose the Marine Corps and then picked something other than infantry. Fucking PX clerks.

[Taernath]

Suicide is rampant among veterans. I don't blame the VA for that.

Yeah, there is only so much the VA can do. I know at my place they have volunteers who will escort confused or people suffering from PTSD to their appointments if they can't do it themselves. The biggest part is just getting them in the door.

ETA for my previous post: they do over-prescribe opiates, or at least, they did. My dad was fucked up on xanax for a while, thought we were going to lose him, but now that he's off it he's nearly completely normal.

[Gelston]

Yeah, there is only so much the VA can do. I know at my place they have volunteers who will escort confused or people suffering from PTSD to their appointments if they can't do it themselves. The biggest part is just getting them in the door.

There is only so much they can do, but they've straight up turned dudes away. They shouldn't turn anyone away that is saying they have problems.

Another note, The Marine Corps is at a 10 year high for suicide, highest among all services... For some reason. Barracks life must be getting back to sucking balls again.

[Gelston]

I thought the Marine Corps didn’t allow you to pick? just assigned you by need.

No, you pick. You sign up for a program, which has 3 fields in it. So like if you wanted to be a Combat Engineer you could get that, but you'd also have a chance of being a Refrigerator Technician or Water Purification guy instead. They have to do this shit, because very few people would enlist to fix refrigerators.

Infantry, you only get infantry though, just they type of infantry changes. Usually you'll get rifleman, but you could otherwise get mortarman, machine gunner, etc.

[Androidpk]

No, you pick. You sign up for a program, which has 3 fields in it. So like if you wanted to be a Combat Engineer you could get that, but you'd also have a chance of being a Refrigerator Technician or Water Purification guy instead. They have to do this shit, because very few people would enlist to fix refrigerators.

Infantry, you only get infantry though, just they type of infantry changes. Usually you'll get rifleman, but you could otherwise get mortarman, machine gunner, etc.

I thought they were doing away with the non-combat jobs like fridge repairmen, painters, etc.

[Taernath]

There is only so much they can do, but they've straight up turned dudes away. They shouldn't turn anyone away that is saying they have problems.

That's why I'm saying once you get in and are wrapped up in the warm embrace of socialized healthcare, it's pretty good. It's the getting in that's the problem. I can't speak as to why people are 'turned away', we will probably never know the actual circumstances because of privacy laws.

[Gelston]

I thought they were doing away with the non-combat jobs like fridge repairmen, painters, etc.

Nope. 1161s will always be around, they do Fridges and ACs and all that, which is pretty important for all the hot places we deploy to. Painting isn't an MOS, they just throw Marines that are about to get out onto that.

[Gelston]

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51007917_2298767760168311_500459081207644160_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_eui2=AeFIW-EfdciW92vUmF94tuVU3aiAYDuBrjkSSvRGNJZL1nR3QgNLSgIv XVEXcNYW6M2IFK3rrKV5UeX296r69QAh51pLvKDxnSIr7JKyIe q_sw&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=552decd0d34b8f2681d4d0f9d4616596&oe=5CEBFAEC

[Tgo01]

The clown car got bigger with Cory (Spartacus!) Booker climbing in.

[Neveragain]

The clown car got bigger with Cory (Spartacus!) Booker climbing in.

But my #metoo!

[Parkbandit]

“Let me tell you right now: I love Donald Trump,” Booker said on CNN just after Trump mocked his speech before the Democratic National Convention in 2016. “I don't want to answer his hate with hate. I’m going to answer it with love. I’m not going to answer his darkness with darkness. I love him.” -Cory Booker 2016.

Yea... he launched his campaign of "Universal Love" for President.

He's going to get eaten up... and WE GET TO WATCH!!!

[Alfster]

To be fair - Democrats should love him. The more unhinged he becomes, the more middle ground voters will go blue.

Shit - if he even manages to set a precedent around declaring s national emergency - they will find an easier path to medicare for all...

[peam]

Booker's going to be eaten alive.

[Methais]

Booker's going to be eaten alive.

Racist.

[Gelston]

“Let me tell you right now: I love Donald Trump,” Booker said on CNN just after Trump mocked his speech before the Democratic National Convention in 2016. “I don't want to answer his hate with hate. I’m going to answer it with love. I’m not going to answer his darkness with darkness. I love him.” -Cory Booker 2016.

Yea... he launched his campaign of "Universal Love" for President.

He's going to get eaten up... and WE GET TO WATCH!!!

At least he is trying to be different.

[audioserf]

Booker's going to be eaten alive.

WOOOO CENTRISM!!!!111

[Astray]

Booker's going to be eaten alive.

Poor sucka.

[Parkbandit]

At least he is trying to be different.

The left isn't the party of love this round.. they are the party of ZOMGIHATETRUMPSOMUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

He doesn't stand a chance.

But, knowing Booker.. he will do whatever it takes, say whatever it takes, be whoever it takes.. so who knows.

He is Sparticus you know...

[Parkbandit]

Marianne Williamson, Oprah's spiritual adviser, launched her Democratic nomination for President campaign.

Looks like Oprah isn't running.

[Methais]

Marianne Williamson, Oprah's spiritual adviser, launched her Democratic nomination for President campaign.

Looks like Oprah isn't running.

I'd hit it.

https://cdn2.lamag.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2014/05/williamson_h2.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I'd hit it.

https://cdn2.lamag.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2014/05/williamson_h2.jpg

That's a really good picture of her.... here's one closer to reality.

https://iowastartingline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Marianne-Williamson.jpg

God damn, this pic is gigantic. Sorry :(

[Gelston]

Cory Booker would be a 4 star WR/TE prospect if playing today.

[Methais]

That's a really good picture of her.... here's one closer to reality.

https://iowastartingline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Marianne-Williamson.jpg

God damn, this pic is gigantic. Sorry

I just looked up a video and as soon as I heard her voice my boner was like

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f3efbff8bc4184f6601bd32109d9dbd2/tenor.gif?itemid=6471696
https://media1.tenor.com/images/6b0a9baadac6c990af8a969e34eb449a/tenor.gif?itemid=5467147
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o8doR2qGIXQDGCVoY/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Let the circus begin!

[Solkern]

Did this fucker jump or fall?

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/02/02/us/florida-orlando-airport-suicide-delays/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F


https://us.yahoo.com/news/tsa-officer-jumps-death-orlando-airport-194942534.html

[Parkbandit]

Did this fucker jump or fall?

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/02/02/us/florida-orlando-airport-suicide-delays/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F


https://us.yahoo.com/news/tsa-officer-jumps-death-orlando-airport-194942534.html

1) "Preliminary information suggests an apparent suicide."
2) Do you believe he was going to run for the Democratic nomination for President? If not, why did you post it here?

[Solkern]

1) "Preliminary information suggests an apparent suicide."
2) Do you believe he was going to run for the Democratic nomination for President? If not, why did you post it here?

Well I figured, you fuckers go off topic every other post, I might as well join in on the fun!

[Methais]

Well I figured, you fuckers go off topic every other post, I might as well join in on the fun!

You’re confusing off topic with post in the wrong thread day, which is an annual holiday.

[Back]

I sincerely hope Marianne Williamson gets in on the debating.


Marianne Williamson, a best-selling author. spiritual teacher and activist, announced her bid for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination on Monday. On Thursday, she sat down on CNN’s New Day, where she said the United States needs to pay African-Americans reparations for slavery.

“We need a moral and spiritual awakening in the country,” the candidate stated. “Nothing short of that is adequate to really fundamentally change the patterns of our political dysfunction.”


Her platform includes proposal for free public college, universal health care, Medicare for all, a green new deal and $10 billion per year for slavery reparations to be paid over the course of a decade.


“I believe $100 billion given to a council to apply this money to economic projects and educational projects of renewal for that population is simply a debt to be paid,” Williamson said.

https://www.ebony.com/news/dem-presidential-candidate-calls-100b-slavery-reparations/?utm_content=still&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1akFdZNNUwk6qoUMjVGejb9nEZzp-XuQ-6zUByPsOokmn6hm5KxWyqAYQ

[Parkbandit]

I sincerely hope Marianne Williamson gets in on the debating.

"Her platform includes proposal for free public college, universal health care, Medicare for all, a green new deal and $10 billion per year for slavery reparations to be paid over the course of a decade."



Me too. She's out spending Ocasio Cortez even.. and that's quite a feat.

Hopefully, she can explain how she will pay for it that actually makes sense...

[Gelston]

And David Duke is now supporting Tulsi Gabbard.

[Parkbandit]

And David Duke is now supporting Tulsi Gabbard.

LOLOL...

That's awesome.

Now watch the left squirm when their same logic is used to call Tulsi Gabbard a racist.

[Androidpk]

Given her defense of Bashar al-Assad I doubt anyone will be squirming to defend her.

[audioserf]

She is a racist. She SUPER fucking hates Muslims. Isn't too secretive about it either. I think she would break Obama's 'exploding brown people' PR if she were ever President (she's for sure running for a VP spot, lol).

[Gelston]

Duke apparently likes her because he says she "places the interests of America over Israel".

[Gelston]

Warren has officially announced her candidacy.

[Tgo01]

Warren has officially announced her candidacy.

Is she perhaps the most delusional candidate in recent history?

[Methais]

Is she perhaps the most delusional candidate in recent history?

Yes.

[Gelston]

Is she perhaps the most delusional candidate in recent history?

I think she could do good amongst the more left leaning Democrats, but I don't believe she is electable after that. She wouldn't get any of the left leaning Republicans and I don't think she would do much for taking the center, which is important.

She lives in an echo chamber, basically.

[audioserf]

I like Warren but she's probably self-owned herself one too many times to make a dent in the primary. She's shown that she has no campaign acumen by responding to Trump's trolling like: "I know what I'll do... I'll use FACTS! Surely Trump will have to leave me alone on Twitter then! I'll be victorious!" She can't hang.

[Tgo01]

I like Warren but she's probably self-owned herself one too many times to make a dent in the primary. She's shown that she has no campaign acumen by responding to Trump's trolling like: "I know what I'll do... I'll use FACTS! Surely Trump will have to leave me alone on Twitter then! I'll be victorious!" She can't hang.

Probably didn't help that her facts consisted of a DNA test that showed she's more white than anyone I've ever known to prove her American Indian heritage, then when faced with backlash from actual Native Americans she had to apologize and finally admit she's probably one of the whitest people to ever walk on this planet.

[audioserf]

Probably didn't help that her facts consisted of a DNA test that showed she's more white than anyone I've ever known to prove her American Indian heritage, then when faced with backlash from actual Native Americans she had to apologize and finally admit she's probably one of the whitest people to ever walk on this planet.

I agree with you. I think the DNA test thing was a joke and a dumbshit move. She's lived a white woman's life experience and it's incredibly disingenuous of her to have ever claimed Native American anything. You may be able to trace back to some ancestry but that doesn't mean shit. Really odd to choose to represent yourself that way.

I also think that the DNA test could have exploded in flames and indicated 'THIS IS THE MOST NATIVE AMERICAN WOMAN TO HAVE EVER LIVED' and she would still be Pochanatas. It was just a no-win idea.

I'm a white male living in New England (as a US Citizen) but I was born in South Africa. My friends in highschool joked that I should put 'African American' on college applications to try score some scholarships. The difference is, Warren more or less actually did that.

[Parkbandit]

I'm a white male living in New England (as a US Citizen) but I was born in South Africa. My friends in highschool joked that I should put 'African American' on college applications to try score some scholarships. The difference is, Warren more or less actually did that.

Difference is: You are actually an African American. She was never a Native American.

[African American]

I'm a white male living in New England (as a US Citizen) but I was born in South Africa. My friends in highschool joked that I should put 'African American' on college applications to try score some scholarships. The difference is, Warren more or less actually did that.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImpossibleUnfortunateHamadryas-size_restricted.gif

[Tgo01]

The Democrat clown car getting bigger with Amy Klobuchar announcing she is running for president. First thing she had to do after announcing (or maybe it was right before she announced) was to fight off allegations by her employees and former employees that she's an abusive boss who also requires her employees to run personal errands for her.

[audioserf]

The errand allegation is the least of it. She's also supposedly emotionally abusive and routinely publicly humiliates staffers who have fucked up. She's kind of like a female version of that asshole bald guy on Veep. That's before the allegations of physical abuse up to and including throwing a used tampon at someone (this one is so cartoonish I cannot possibly believe it's real).

What a fucking mess.

[Tgo01]

That's before the allegations of physical abuse up to and including throwing a used tampon at someone (this one is so cartoonish I cannot possibly believe it's real).

I haven't heard that one before, sounds like something from a movie. But then again bitches be crazy.

[Astray]

throwing a used tampon at someone (this one is so cartoonish I cannot possibly believe it's real).

This is one of those things that feels like it's made up.

[audioserf]

This is one of those things that feels like it's made up.

Oh 100% agreed. But she needs to answer for the more realistic sounding shit. It paints a really bad picture.

[Gelston]

Senator Amy Klobuchar has joined the race. Whoever the fuck she is.

Of course, few people knew who the hell Senator Obama was prior to his running.

Even though she has been in the Senate since 2006 and hasn't really ever made any waves.

[Astray]

Oh 100% agreed. But she needs to answer for the more realistic sounding shit. It paints a really bad picture.

For sure, man.

[Taernath]

The errand allegation is the least of it. She's also supposedly emotionally abusive and routinely publicly humiliates staffers who have fucked up. She's kind of like a female version of that asshole bald guy on Veep. That's before the allegations of physical abuse up to and including throwing a used tampon at someone (this one is so cartoonish I cannot possibly believe it's real).

What a fucking mess.

I dunno, stuff that would have ended candidacies a couple elections ago might not matter anymore.

Warren is the Jeb! of a new election cycle though.

/edit actually hold up, there might be two of them:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EirdSTyFXwM&t=0m30s

[audioserf]

Schultz is sub-Jeb! level tbh. Nobody fucking likes him. You cannot run for POTUS on a 'Won't Someone Please Think Of The Poor Billionaires?' platform, fuck outta here

The Mattering Forcefield only applies to Trump and shit like Klobuchar being abusive, if confirmed, could be a serious problem for her

Warren has fucked up but as of now I don't think it's significant enough to tank her

Tulsi Gabbard has already almost entirely dropped out of the news except for being endorsed by the Klan lmao

[Gelston]

Schultz is sub-Jeb! level tbh. Nobody fucking likes him. You cannot run for POTUS on a 'Won't Someone Please Think Of The Poor Billionaires?' platform, fuck outta here

The Mattering Forcefield only applies to Trump and shit like Klobuchar being abusive, if confirmed, could be a serious problem for her

Warren has fucked up but as of now I don't think it's significant enough to tank her

Tulsi Gabbard has already almost entirely dropped out of the news except for being endorsed by the Klan lmao

Tulsi Gabbard will never drop out of my heart.

[Parkbandit]

Schultz is sub-Jeb! level tbh. Nobody fucking likes him. You cannot run for POTUS on a 'Won't Someone Please Think Of The Poor Billionaires?' platform, fuck outta here

The Mattering Forcefield only applies to Trump and shit like Klobuchar being abusive, if confirmed, could be a serious problem for her

Warren has fucked up but as of now I don't think it's significant enough to tank her

Tulsi Gabbard has already almost entirely dropped out of the news except for being endorsed by the Klan lmao

It only matters now because Kamala Harris is the chosen one. Had Klobuchar been the front runner and these allegations came out then, they wouldn't matter to Democrats.

I wouldn't be surprised if they allegations are out of the other contender's camps..

[audioserf]

I think the news piece about Warren having claimed American Indian on applications was likely dropped by the Harris camp also. I think they're going to be shitting on everyone and doing it with the backing of the DNC. They definitely seem to have picked Harris already.

[~Rocktar~]

I think the news piece about Warren having claimed American Indian on applications was likely dropped by the Harris camp also. I think they're going to be shitting on everyone and doing it with the backing of the DNC. They definitely seem to have picked Harris already.

And then Trump will will wipe the streets with her with something along the lines of "Look at how much better off you are over the past 4 years" and then just keep on the whole "She slept her way to the top." And that's before going on the policy issues.

[Taernath]

then just keep on the whole "She slept her way to the top."

That's a great idea if you're looking to piss off women voters.

[Gelston]

That's a great idea if you're looking to piss off women voters.

She literally did though, but only another woman can really use that against her.

[Gelston]

The more I'm learning about Amy Klobuchar the more I like her. I hope she loses.

[Taernath]

She literally did though, but only another woman can really use that against her.

They had an affair 10 years before she ran for public office, 10 years after Brown separated from his wife, and she was appointed to the CA Medical Assistance Commission. If you want to call that sleeping your way to the top, she took a long and convoluted road. Attacking her on that point just makes you (general you) look pathetic.

[Gelston]

They had an affair 10 years before she ran for public office, 10 years after Brown separated from his wife, and she was appointed to the CA Medical Assistance Commission. If you want to call that sleeping your way to the top, she took a long and convoluted road. Attacking her on that point just makes you (general you) look pathetic.

She slept her way to the DA position, which propelled her to where she is now. I don't think she'd have been elected AG if she didn't have that DA job. I don't think she'd have been elected to the Senate if she had never been elected to AG. See how it works?

[Tgo01]

They had an affair 10 years before she ran for public office, 10 years after Brown separated from his wife, and she was appointed to the CA Medical Assistance Commission. If you want to call that sleeping your way to the top, she took a long and convoluted road. Attacking her on that point just makes you (general you) look pathetic.

But she was given government jobs from Brown long before she ran for political office. He also claims to have helped her political career, that part is harder to prove other than just his word of course, but getting government jobs certainly helped her political career so she could campaign on having a government background.

[Taernath]

She slept her way to the DA position, which propelled her to where she is now. I don't think she'd have been elected AG if she didn't have that DA job. I don't think she'd have been elected to the Senate if she had never been elected to AG. See how it works?

The DA is an elected position. How do you sleep your way to an elected position?

[Gelston]

The DA is an elected position. How do you sleep your way to an elected position?

Sorry, Deputy DA, and two state commissions, and the assistance with her campaign. He was a big name in SF back then.

[Taernath]

Sorry, Deputy DA, and two state commissions, and the assistance with her campaign. He was a big name in SF back then.

She was a Deputy DA before her relationship with Brown. The commissions she was appointed to during that time period were mid-level state boards, the one I mentioned above is the only one I could find info of Brown directly appointing her. That's not "the top" in any case and I doubt it's anything resembling a clear path to DA (which she ran for, 8 years after her relationship with Brown). Everything she's done for the past 25ish years seems to be through her own means.

You can try attacking her over it, other people certainly have, but it's a bad look.

[Gelston]

She was a Deputy DA before her relationship with Brown. The commissions she was appointed to during that time period were mid-level state boards, the one I mentioned above is the only one I could find info of Brown directly appointing her. That's not "the top" in any case and I doubt it's anything resembling a clear path to DA (which she ran for, 8 years after her relationship with Brown). Everything she's done for the past 25ish years seems to be through her own means.

You can try attacking her over it, other people certainly have, but it's a bad look.

I don't have to try attacking anyone. I've already withdrawn my candidacy for President for 2020.

[SHAFT]

Schultz is sub-Jeb! level tbh. Nobody fucking likes him. You cannot run for POTUS on a 'Won't Someone Please Think Of The Poor Billionaires?' platform, fuck outta here

The Mattering Forcefield only applies to Trump and shit like Klobuchar being abusive, if confirmed, could be a serious problem for her

Warren has fucked up but as of now I don't think it's significant enough to tank her

Tulsi Gabbard has already almost entirely dropped out of the news except for being endorsed by the Klan lmao

Warren is a total joke. Her image should be posted on the "try-hard" page on urban dictionary.

Democrats haven't put forth any exceptional candidates. I like Harris, but she better choose someone like Beto or Biden. She hasn't been vocal enough on Trump.

[Gelston]

That would be a funny legacy for Biden, longest serving VP in history.

[Tgo01]

Warren is a total joke. Her image should be posted on the "try-hard" page on urban dictionary.

Democrats haven't put forth any exceptional candidates. I like Harris, but she better choose someone like Beto or Biden. She hasn't been vocal enough on Trump.

Beto? Come on, dude.

[Tgo01]

That would be a funny legacy for Biden, longest serving VP in history.

He would make double history; first white man vice president to the first black president and first white man vice president to the first woman president.

[Back]

She was a Deputy DA before her relationship with Brown. The commissions she was appointed to during that time period were mid-level state boards, the one I mentioned above is the only one I could find info of Brown directly appointing her. That's not "the top" in any case and I doubt it's anything resembling a clear path to DA (which she ran for, 8 years after her relationship with Brown). Everything she's done for the past 25ish years seems to be through her own means.

You can try attacking her over it, other people certainly have, but it's a bad look.

https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/29/tomi-lahren-final-thoughts-kamala-harris-affair-willie-brown-helped-career-metoo


Tomi Lahren offered her "Final Thoughts (https://nation.foxnews.com/featured/?cmpid=org=NAT::ag=fi::mc=fnidisplay::src=FNI::cmp =launch::add=launch_article)" Tuesday on Fox Nation (https://nation.foxnews.com/featured/?cmpid=org=NAT::ag=fi::mc=fnidisplay::src=FNI::cmp =launch::add=launch_article) in regard to California Democratic senator and newly-minted presidential candidate Kamala Harris.

Lahren said former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, 84, revealed he had an extramarital affair with Harris, 54, over two decades ago.
"I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was [state] Assembly speaker," Brown wrote.

"Kamala," Lahren said. "Given you're an avowed and proud supporter of the #MeToo movement, what are your thoughts on someone using an extramarital affair for boosting their political career?"

"Kamala was 30 years younger than Brown when he appointed her to [two plum] posts," Lahren said. "He then used his money, connections and clout to help girlfriend Kamala with her D.A. run. Well, isn't that something?"

Tomi Lahren is shaping up to be a cross between Bill O'Rielly and Megan Kelly.

[Taernath]

I don't have to try attacking anyone. I've already withdrawn my candidacy for President for 2020.

I don't blame you, those leaked Julius Caesar slashfics were devastating.

[Gelston]

I don't blame you, those leaked Julius Caesar slashfics were devastating.

Last of the Republicans and the most triumphant third of the Triumverate.

[Parkbandit]

https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/29/tomi-lahren-final-thoughts-kamala-harris-affair-willie-brown-helped-career-metoo

Tomi Lahren is shaping up to be a cross between Bill O'Rielly and Megan Kelly.

What did she say that was wrong?

Truth hurts?

[Taernath]

Bernie Sanders Announces 2020 Presidential Run
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html


Senator Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent and 2016 Democratic primary runner-up whose populist policy agenda has helped push the party to the left, announced on Tuesday that he was running for president again, embarking on a bid that will test whether he can retain the anti-establishment appeal he enjoyed with many liberal voters three years ago.

A self-styled democratic socialist whose calls for “Medicare for all,” a $15 minimum wage and tuition-free public colleges have become pillars of the party’s left wing, Mr. Sanders is among the best-known politicians to join an already crowded Democratic field and one of the most outspoken against President Trump, whom he has repeatedly called a “pathological liar” and a “racist.”

“Three years ago, during our 2016 campaign, when we brought forth our progressive agenda we were told that our ideas were ‘radical’ and ‘extreme,’” Mr. Sanders said on Tuesday in an early-morning email to supporters, citing those health, economic and education policies as well as combating climate change and raising taxes on wealthy Americans.

...

https://i.imgur.com/3x4rRGB.gif

[Gelston]

The only thing I like about Bernie running is the disappointment by his fans when he loses in the primaries again.

[Parkbandit]

Bernie Sanders Announces 2020 Presidential Run
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html



https://i.imgur.com/3x4rRGB.gif

JUST so I get the chain of events correctly.... it was:

INDEPENDENT BERNIE! to Democrat Candidate Bernie to (after he lost) INDEPENDENT BERNIE!!! to now Democrat Candidate Bernie?

He's destroyed any authenticity he used to pretend he had..

[Wrathbringer]

Someone should troll run for democratic presidential nominee on a platform of free everything (free food, movies, cars, yugioh cards, video games, patio furniture, home renovations, lawn mowers, haircuts, everything) and taxing everyone 100% to pay for it. They should try to seem serious about it and credible though, at least as credible as these other retards touting free stuff, anyway. It would be hilarious.

[Gelston]

JUST so I get the chain of events correctly.... it was:

INDEPENDENT BERNIE! to Democrat Candidate Bernie to (after he lost) INDEPENDENT BERNIE!!! to now Democrat Candidate Bernie?

He's destroyed any authenticity he used to pretend he had..

I thought he did that after throwing his support behind Hillary and looking like a whipped puppy.

[Parkbandit]

Someone should troll run for democratic presidential nominee on a platform of free everything (free food, movies, cars, yugioh cards, video games, patio furniture, home renovations, lawn mowers, haircuts, everything) and taxing everyone 100% to pay for it. They should try to seem serious about it and credible though, at least as credible as these other retards touting free stuff, anyway. It would be hilarious.

They are trying to one up free stuff against each other. Warren just took the lead with her free childcare: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-19/warren-to-unveil-universal-child-care-plan-funded-by-wealth-tax

[Gelston]

They are trying to one up free stuff against each other. Warren just took the lead with her free childcare: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-19/warren-to-unveil-universal-child-care-plan-funded-by-wealth-tax

Honestly, I always felt there should be "free" childcare. People who receive should have to perform Government appointed jobs to get that check, which would include free childcare for other low income families. They wouldn't be forced to do the job, of course, they just wouldn't get the welfare anymore.

[Parkbandit]

Honestly, I always felt there should be "free" childcare. People who receive should have to perform Government appointed jobs to get that check, which would include free childcare for other low income families. They wouldn't be forced to do the job, of course, they just wouldn't get the welfare anymore.

My issue with it is there is no cap on the number of children you have to get it for free and that they are going to pay for it by another "wealth tax", which in reality, won't cover even a small portion of it. So it'll turn into another program that is paid by the government.

It's as if the left is purposely trying to bankrupt the country.. so it could fail and have to be remade into something they want.

[Gelston]

My issue with it is there is no cap on the number of children you have to get it for free and that they are going to pay for it by another "wealth tax", which in reality, won't cover even a small portion of it. So it'll turn into another program that is paid by the government.

It's as if the left is purposely trying to bankrupt the country.. so it could fail and have to be remade into something they want.

The people are being paid regardless, they already are. This puts them to work.

[Gelston]

Something else I'd like brought back, the great public works we used to create, like the Hoover Dam and all that. We have tons of shitty bridges and roadways that need fixed. People will have a job fixing the infrastructure, and they'll get training and work experience out of it.

[Parkbandit]

The people are being paid regardless, they already are. This puts them to work.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. You aren't talking about Warren's plan, are you? Because it's 200% above poverty level = free childcare for as many kids as you have... no strings attached. Just stay below the $51,500 threshold.

Sounds like another "I can't work more than 17 hours a week because if I do, I will lose my free childcare" type of programs.

[Gelston]

I'm not sure what you are talking about. You aren't talking about Warren's plan, are you? Because it's 200% above poverty level = free childcare for as many kids as you have... no strings attached. Just stay below the $51,500 threshold.

Sounds like another "I can't work more than 17 hours a week because if I do, I will lose my free childcare" type of programs.

No, I'm not talking about Warren's plan. I'm talking about mine, where I said I think Welfare recipients should have Government appointed jobs if they want to get their welfare check.

The people that receive the free childcare are low-income families. Not other people on Welfare.

None of this has anything to do with the number of children a person has.

[Taernath]

JUST so I get the chain of events correctly.... it was:

INDEPENDENT BERNIE! to Democrat Candidate Bernie to (after he lost) INDEPENDENT BERNIE!!! to now Democrat Candidate Bernie?

He's destroyed any authenticity he used to pretend he had..

You can't run as an Independent and expect to win anything, they get under 5% of the vote on the regular (and are a grab bag of fringe loonies). You have to run as a D or R to have a chance in the US. I don't think there's anything dishonest about it.

[Wrathbringer]

You can't run as an Independent and expect to win anything, they get under 5% of the vote on the regular (and are a grab bag of fringe loonies). You have to run as a D or R to have a chance in the US. I don't think there's anything dishonest about it.

There's nothing dishonest about "I'm running as a Democrat but I'm not really a Democrat I'm actually a fringe loonie?"

[Wrathbringer]

No, I'm not talking about Warren's plan. I'm talking about mine, where I said I think Welfare recipients should have Government appointed jobs if they want to get their welfare check.

The people that receive the free childcare are low-income families. Not other people on Welfare.

None of this has anything to do with the number of children a person has.

You get welfare. Should you have a government appointed job to get your welfare check?

[Taernath]

There's nothing dishonest about "I'm running as a Democrat but I'm not really a Democrat I'm actually a fringe loonie?"

His positions are a lot closer to mainstream liberals than someone like Stein. She wanted to shut down nuclear power, nationalize the Federal Reserve, and believes wi-fi causes health problems. Also slavery reparations. Remember that he got ~43% of the vote in his primary.

[Wrathbringer]

His positions are a lot closer to mainstream liberals than someone like Stein. She wanted to shut down nuclear power, nationalize the Federal Reserve, and believes wi-fi causes health problems. Also slavery reparations. Remember that he got ~43% of the vote in his primary.

You just said that independents are fringe loonies. Now you're saying that his positions aren't far from mainstream liberals (democrats). I agree with you: Mainstream liberals aren't far from fringe loonies.

[Stumplicker]

You can't run as an Independent and expect to win anything, they get under 5% of the vote on the regular (and are a grab bag of fringe loonies). You have to run as a D or R to have a chance in the US. I don't think there's anything dishonest about it.

I dunno. Recent history at least has Ross Perot. He pushed something like 20% of the vote in '92. That's insane for an independent. You get the right independent in there and I think they could pull an upset victory in this kind of political climate. Trust in the government is (and I have no stats to back this up, just educated guessing) at an all time low.

I mean, there's no one off the top of my head I could name that could be that person right now, but I mean..Ross Perot's main deal was that he was a gojillionaire and wanted to be President. You get somebody passionate and charismatic? That upset is there to happen. We elected a fucking reality TV star simply because the other options within the parties were shit.

Edit to add: I just did a basic search to see if I was anywhere near correct with my public trust comment. Dunno how legitimate this site is but it seems fairly on the level - http://www.people-press.org/2017/12/14/public-trust-in-government-1958-2017/

[Gelston]

You get welfare. Should you have a government appointed job to get your welfare check?

I don't get welfare though, and I have a job.

[Wrathbringer]

I don't get welfare though, and I have a job.

Oh, my bad. I was pretty sure that you've stated that you're a partially disabled vet. You don't get any benefits?

[Gelston]

Oh, my bad. I was pretty sure that you've stated that you're a partially disabled vet. You don't get any benefits?

I get 30% for facial scars. I hardly consider that welfare since, you know, did something for it.

And if they completely got rid of VA disability, or turned it all into one lump sum or whatever, it wouldn't really bother me. I never asked for it, nor did I expect it.

[Stumplicker]

I get 30% for facial scars. I hardly consider that welfare since, you know, did something for it.

Did your dad come at you with a knife and say "LET'S PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE!"?

[Wrathbringer]

I get 30% for facial scars. I hardly consider that welfare since, you know, did something for it.

Strictly speaking, that's welfare. It's like disability. A continuing payment for a one time injury. I figured you'd exempt yourself from your own plan to make disabled people work when if they could work, they would already be working.

eta: I guess I take issue with your broad use of the word welfare when you really mean only certain types of welfare.

[Wrathbringer]

Did your dad come at you with a knife and say "LET'S PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE!"?

He's a fucking veteran with injuries from his service. Show some fucking respect.

[Parkbandit]

His positions are a lot closer to mainstream liberals than someone like Stein. She wanted to shut down nuclear power, nationalize the Federal Reserve, and believes wi-fi causes health problems. Also slavery reparations. Remember that he got ~43% of the vote in his primary.

I'm not sure you know your mainstream liberals like you think you do. Those all sound very familiar... with the exception of wi-fi health problems.

And he got 43% because he was going against Clinton. Even Democrats hated that bitch.

[Stumplicker]

He's a fucking veteran with injuries from his service. Show some fucking respect.

So is Rob Riggle. He also is allowed to make references to Batman movies.

[Parkbandit]

No, I'm not talking about Warren's plan. I'm talking about mine, where I said I think Welfare recipients should have Government appointed jobs if they want to get their welfare check.

The people that receive the free childcare are low-income families. Not other people on Welfare.

None of this has anything to do with the number of children a person has.

I'm still confused. I was just talking about Warren's plan... not some pie in the sky plan where if you get welfare, you need to work for the government to get it.

[Gelston]

I'm still confused. I was just talking about Warren's plan... not some pie in the sky plan where if you get welfare, you need to work for the government to get it.

Let me clarify your confusion. I'm not, nor was I ever, talking about Warren's plan. She is never going to survive the primaries, so her plan is as much "pie in the sky" as mine is.

[Gelston]

Did your dad come at you with a knife and say "LET'S PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE!"?

No, a M249 SAW exploded and littered me with shrapnel and gun powder.

[Stumplicker]

No, a M249 SAW exploded and littered me with shrapnel and gun powder.

I prefer Heath Ledger's story.

[Gelston]

Strictly speaking, that's welfare. It's like disability. A continuing payment for a one time injury. I figured you'd exempt yourself from your own plan to make disabled people work when if they could work, they would already be working.

eta: I guess I take issue with your broad use of the word welfare when you really mean only certain types of welfare.

No, I specifically mean the type of Welfare people get when they drop off unemployment. I'm not against Unemployment, because you pay into that. I don't generally have a problem with disability payments, whether military or not. I have seen some people game the fuck out of the VA, but that is another matter.

[Parkbandit]

Let me clarify your confusion. I'm not, nor was I ever, talking about Warren's plan. She is never going to survive the primaries, so her plan is as much "pie in the sky" as mine is.

Ah, gotcha.

Yea, tying work in with welfare is probably racist, sexist or some other -ist.

Reported for all 'ists' I have heard.

[Parkbandit]

No, I specifically mean the type of Welfare people get when they drop off unemployment. I'm not against Unemployment, because you pay into that. I don't generally have a problem with disability payments, whether military or not. I have seen some people game the fuck out of the VA, but that is another matter.

I'm not against unemployment either. THAT is why the program was set up.. as a safety net for people who are between jobs.

[Wrathbringer]

No, I specifically mean the type of Welfare people get when they drop off unemployment. I'm not against Unemployment, because you pay into that. I don't generally have a problem with disability payments, whether military or not. I have seen some people game the fuck out of the VA, but that is another matter.

Oh. Okay.

[Stumplicker]

Yeah, disability, while technically a form of welfare, is definitely not in the same league. That applies to any industry as far as I'm concerned. Food stamps, heating assistance, welfare checks, those are a whole other animal.

I've got no problem with any of those things, but the last three are treating the symptom rather than the disease. Like locking prisoners up without rehabilitation. It just prolongs or exacerbates the issue. Welfare should be more like a stepping stone. All they really do at current is make you pinkie swear that you're looking for jobs and jump through a lot of bureaucratic hoops.

There are plenty of industries that could benefit from a subsidized labor force. Working for welfare keeps everyone productive, keeps a goal in mind of routine, pay, and gives a reason for those disinclined to move upwards to something that pays better or requires less effort.

Edit to add: Maybe even trade apprenticeship would be beneficial, for those without really marketable skills. The world definitely needs electricians, locksmiths, carpenters, et cetera, but it takes some training that might not otherwise be available to those seeking welfare.

[Seizer]

Did your dad come at you with a knife and say "LET'S PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE!"?
You’re such a dumbass. I can see the cracks forming in your newest persona Neff. Let’s not forget another gem like this either, you stupid fuck.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?56112-Attention-Whore&p=1182023#post1182023

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/bmOUgzQ.png

[Astray]

No, a M249 SAW exploded and littered me with shrapnel and gun powder.

Oof

[Taernath]

I dunno. Recent history at least has Ross Perot. He pushed something like 20% of the vote in '92. That's insane for an independent. You get the right independent in there and I think they could pull an upset victory in this kind of political climate. Trust in the government is (and I have no stats to back this up, just educated guessing) at an all time low.

Nah. Trump's approval rating is somewhere in the 40's nationally, but like 89% in his own party. They won't be leaving him. There's a schism currently between younger and older dems, so if anyone jumps ship it would be them, but it's still not a victory.



I'm not sure you know your mainstream liberals like you think you do. Those all sound very familiar... with the exception of wi-fi health problems.

And he got 43% because he was going against Clinton. Even Democrats hated that bitch.

There's some cross-pollination between new age crystal healing bullshit and the dems, but it's not anything significant. The only thing Stein said that might resonate with (younger) democrats is the forgiving student loans thing, but that's retarded and won't go anywhere. Oh and she supports Putin in Crimea, is anti-NATO, and wants a fucking ceasefire with ISIS. Those are kryptonite to most dems.

[Methais]

There's nothing dishonest about "I'm running as a Democrat but I'm not really a Democrat I'm actually a fringe loonie?"

Is there really a difference between the two anymore though?

Hint:
https://media1.tenor.com/images/69462a5f9a21d15cb58e97a5a9fd4b5d/tenor.gif?itemid=4870279

[Parkbandit]

There's some cross-pollination between new age crystal healing bullshit and the dems, but it's not anything significant. The only thing Stein said that might resonate with (younger) democrats is the forgiving student loans thing, but that's retarded and won't go anywhere. Oh and she supports Putin in Crimea, is anti-NATO, and wants a fucking ceasefire with ISIS. Those are kryptonite to most dems.

12 years ago, Dems were voting for border walls on our southern border.

Today, walls are inhumane according to these same people.

You put a "free" in front of anything, and chances are they will be for it.

[Methais]

12 years ago, Dems were voting for border walls on our southern border.

Today, walls are inhumane according to these same people.

You put a "free" in front of anything, and chances are they will be for it.

What about free southern border wall?

[Taernath]

12 years ago, Dems were voting for border walls on our southern border.

Today, walls are inhumane according to these same people.

You put a "free" in front of anything, and chances are they will be for it.

There was a rightward shift in the Democratic party during the '80s and '90s, which is where we got all those great quotes about superpredators from. I'm not sure who the "same people" you're referring to are, but the party as a whole is moving left again.

[Tgo01]

There's some cross-pollination between new age crystal healing bullshit and the dems, but it's not anything significant. The only thing Stein said that might resonate with (younger) democrats is the forgiving student loans thing, but that's retarded and won't go anywhere. Oh and she supports Putin in Crimea, is anti-NATO, and wants a fucking ceasefire with ISIS. Those are kryptonite to most dems.

I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but I'm not sure you're all too familiar with Democrats on the national level at this point in time. There might still be SOME sanity in Congress, especially the House where Democrats still have to worry about what their constituents think and about getting reelected, but on the national level Democrats are already talking about getting rid of nuclear energy, slavery reparations, literally tearing down all border walls and fencing we currently have, abolishing ICE, a movement to abolish police across the nation is gaining momentum, and I highly doubt most Democrats would give a single shit about a ceasefire with ISIS. Democrats are quick to blame Republicans and gays for ISIS inspired terrorism right here in the US, why would they be opposed to a ceasefire with ISIS? Ilhan Omar actually blames the West for terrorism around the world and she recently got elected to Congress.

[Parkbandit]

There was a rightward shift in the Democratic party during the '80s and '90s, which is where we got all those great quotes about superpredators from. I'm not sure who the "same people" you're referring to are, but the party as a whole is moving left again.

I'm literally speaking about the people in Congress who voted for the wall on our southern border in 2006 and suddenly, in 2018, that same wall is now "inhumane".

[Stumplicker]

There's some cross-pollination between new age crystal healing bullshit and the dems, but it's not anything significant. The only thing Stein said that might resonate with (younger) democrats is the forgiving student loans thing, but that's retarded and won't go anywhere. Oh and she supports Putin in Crimea, is anti-NATO, and wants a fucking ceasefire with ISIS. Those are kryptonite to most dems.

I have no disagreement about your primary point (except for the independent chances part, but I understand your point), but mention of Jill Stein and Crimea made me want to respond. Jill Stein on the whole I disagree with, but I don't necessarily disagree with Russia's handling of Crimea. That's basically America's whole schtick and we're giving Russia shit for doing a small bit of the same. Taking shit that could only tangentially be considered ours when you squint really hard and ignore most of the facts during times of other peoples' weaknesses is exactly how we became a superpower in the first place.

Hypothetically speaking, if we gave California back to Mexico tomorrow, and then 20 years from now California had a civil war....We absolutely would be taking whatever chunks of it back that we wanted during their infighting and citing many of the same "These citizens identify more with us than them" lines of rhetoric.

Unless we're committed to stopping our own tactics, I don't think we have any room to criticize Russia for it.

[Taernath]

I'm literally speaking about the people in Congress who voted for the wall on our southern border in 2006 and suddenly, in 2018, that same wall is now "inhumane".

I think you can look at that 2006 wall and realize that it didn't exactly work out like it was sold. That could cause someone who voted for it (and again, I don't know who specifically did) to now be against it. Same thing with military adventurism in the middle east. I think more people would be for 'increased border security' if it was packaged as drones and increased border patrol presence rather than a giant physical boondoggle.


I have no disagreement about your primary point (except for the independent chances part, but I understand your point), but mention of Jill Stein and Crimea made me want to respond. Jill Stein on the whole I disagree with, but I don't necessarily disagree with Russia's handling of Crimea. That's basically America's whole schtick and we're giving Russia shit for doing a small bit of the same. Taking shit that could only tangentially be considered ours when you squint really hard and ignore most of the facts during times of other peoples' weaknesses is exactly how we became a superpower in the first place.

Hypothetically speaking, if we gave California back to Mexico tomorrow, and then 20 years from now California had a civil war....We absolutely would be taking whatever chunks of it back that we wanted during their infighting and citing many of the same "These citizens identify more with us than them" lines of rhetoric.

Unless we're committed to stopping our own tactics, I don't think we have any room to criticize Russia for it.

Whataboutism is a cancer in international politics. That there is legitimate criticism that can be leveled at the US doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to everyone else.

[Gelston]

Taernath is a socialist.

[Stumplicker]

Whataboutism is a cancer in international politics. That there is legitimate criticism that can be leveled at the US doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to everyone else.

No argument. I just don't disagree with our own practice of doing it, so I don't see a reason to disagree with Russia doing it either. Having a bigger stick is a big part of international politics. If other countries could do it, they would. Some, like Russia, like us, like Japan, like China, like England, like Germa...you know what, that list is way too long let's just go with: most do.

[Taernath]

Taernath is a socialist.

https://i.imgur.com/nF5srx8.jpg

[Gelston]

https://i.imgur.com/nF5srx8.jpg

Inside of every socialist is an American trying to claw his way out.

[Tgo01]

Both Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren have stated they are in favor of reparations for black people. I'm sure Bernie Sanders and the rest of the gang will follow through shortly afterward because I'm sure this massive pandering to the black vote is going to cost whoever doesn't throw their support behind this insane initiative.

The race to out-far-left each other for the Democrat nomination has begun!

What's next?

"I'm in favor of tearing down ALL of our border walls!"
"Me too! I'm also in favor of abolishing ICE!"
"Me too! I'm also in favor of free education for EVERYONE!"
"Me too! I'm also in favor of free CARS for everyone!"
"Me too! I'm also in favor of getting rid of prisons!"
"Me too! I'm also in favor of getting rid of all police officers!"
"Me too! I'm also in favor of white people paying a special tax on everything they buy and the money will be used to help those most hurt by white patriarchy!"

[Taernath]

Warren should be in favor of reparations to American Indians for cultural appropriation. I want to hear the specifics of their plans before I determine how dumb it is.

[Back]

Both Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren have stated they are in favor of reparations for black people. I'm sure Bernie Sanders and the rest of the gang will follow through shortly afterward because I'm sure this massive pandering to the black vote is going to cost whoever doesn't throw their support behind this insane initiative.

What about reparations is "insane"?

[Neveragain]

What about reparations is "insane"?

Half a million lives lost ending slavery is reparation enough.

[Tgo01]

What about reparations is "insane"?

Reparations for what exactly? I'm all for giving every single living slave reparations. Hell I'll be generous, even the living children and grandchildren of slaves.

Also how is this going to work? Are they going to have to prove a direct lineage to a slave? Or just every black person born in the US gets it?

[Back]

I’m a black man and I’m telling you now that giving reparations to all blacks or slave descendents or whatever would end up harming those communities than helping.

And if you’re giving reparations to blacks then you should give them to the southern whites that died during the war as well. Poor white southerners during that period were practically slaves except in name only.

Very interesting stance and very noble to stand up for the poor white southerners.

How would reparations end up harming those communities?

[Astray]

Is this... a purely... skin tone type of reparation or... what are the qualifications and standards of proof you are setting forth?

[Back]

Is this... a purely... skin tone type of reparation or... what are the qualifications and standards of proof you are setting forth?

Heck if I know. I just asked Tgo why the idea was so insane.

I've heard it might start with a committee who would then hammer out the details. I'd imagine it would involve records that survived the Civil War. Proof of ancestry. Maybe starting a national database on slave ancestry. Just as a starting point. Details would need to be worked out by the committee.

[Gelston]

I'm .3% Nigerian, which is where a lot of slaves were taken. I more likely than not have an African slave ancestor. Can I have reparations too?

[Back]

I'm .3% Nigerian, which is where a lot of slaves were taken. I more likely than not have an African slave ancestor. Can I have reparations too?

While I appreciate you thinking I know everything and can do anything... that would be up to the people elected or appointed to make such decisions.

[Gelston]

While I appreciate you thinking I know everything and can do anything... that would be up to the people elected or appointed to make such decisions.

Oh, so as a voter, you don't have any ideas.

[Gelston]

And just to be clear, I'm in favor of reparations. In the military my life was worth 400k, so let's start there. A person that was a slave gets that. Since none of those are still alive, you take off 25%, leaving 300k for the next generation to split amongst themselves. If no one from that generation is left, it loses another 25% and goes to grandchildren to split. Finally, if no one from that generation is left, it goes to great grandchildren, who split 100k. Great great grandchildren get nothing.

[Tgo01]

Heck if I know. I just asked Tgo why the idea was so insane.

Well tell me what Back's ideal world of reparations would look like.

[Some Rogue]

Probably something like this

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pveof

[Tgo01]

What about the Chinese who were slaves in the US? Is their voting bloc not large enough?

What about the Irish who were in some ways treated much worse than slaves? Not enough melanin for the reparations?

What about Native Americans? Is allowing the construction of casinos on their lands reparations enough?

Where does this madness end? Where? Where I ask you?!

[Astray]

What about Native Americans? Is allowing the construction of casinos on their lands reparations enough?

I mean... Bingo in Texas but, whatever.

[Taernath]

Heck if I know. I just asked Tgo why the idea was so insane.

I've heard it might start with a committee who would then hammer out the details. I'd imagine it would involve records that survived the Civil War. Proof of ancestry. Maybe starting a national database on slave ancestry. Just as a starting point. Details would need to be worked out by the committee.

It's pretty difficult to prove ancestry to a specific American Indian tribe, I can only imagine it would be just as hard to do it for Civil War-era slaves.

[Gelston]

What about the Chinese who were slaves in the US? Is their voting bloc not large enough?

What about the Irish who were in some ways treated much worse than slaves? Not enough melanin for the reparations?

What about Native Americans? Is allowing the construction of casinos on their lands reparations enough?

Where does this madness end? Where? Where I ask you?!

They weren't slaves. They were paid for their labor. There wasn't a doctrine to chase them down and return them if they left.

This Irish were slaves thing is retarded. They weren't anymore a slave than any other poor person.

[Tgo01]

They weren't slaves. They were paid for their labor. There wasn't a doctrine to chase them down and return them if they left.

This Irish were slaves thing is retarded. They weren't anymore a slave than any other poor person.

For quite some time Chinese people could not become US citizens and many states passed laws that prevented non-citizens from owning land, so not only were Chinese laborers paid much less but they also couldn't vote or own land. I was embellishing a little in referring to them as slaves, they were certainly treated very poorly in the US.

Irish people were not slaves but in some ways were treated worse than slaves, in much the same way Chinese people were treated, although not always to the same extent. For the Irish it was mostly a societal thing rather than a legislative thing; many employers flat out refused to even hire an Irishman for example.

Pretty much everyone had a shit time in the US up until about 70 years ago unless you were born into a wealthy family, had an incredible skill, or got lucky. Most of the country was poor and barely scraping by working 16+ hours a day in dangerous conditions just to put a little food on the table for their families.

Reparations for all!

[Taernath]

Irish people were not slaves but in some ways were treated worse than slaves, in much the same way Chinese people were treated, although not always to the same extent. For the Irish it was mostly a societal thing rather than a legislative thing; many employers flat out refused to even hire an Irishman for example.

You need to stop bringing up the Irish (and Poles, and Germans, etc.) even in the context of slavery. They are separate things.


Pretty much everyone had a shit time in the US up until about 70 years ago unless you were born into a wealthy family, had an incredible skill, or got lucky. Most of the country was poor and barely scraping by working 16+ hours a day in dangerous conditions just to put a little food on the table for their families.

Exactly. Vote union.

[Tgo01]

You need to stop bringing up the Irish (and Poles, and Germans, etc.) even in the context of slavery. They are separate things.

But I didn't say Irish people were slaves. Not sure why people are claiming I did. I'm being oppressed! I need my reparations!

[Gelston]

Yeah, a lot of people had shitty times owing to race, social status, and where they fell wealth wise, but they were always above slaves. Some people may have been treated worse than slaves, but I'd reckon some people have a shittier life than my dogs too. It doesn't mean they are also dogs or considered worse than dogs.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, a lot of people had shitty times owing to race, social status, and where they fell wealth wise, but they were always above slaves. Some people may have been treated worse than slaves, but I'd reckon some people have a shittier life than my dogs too. It doesn't mean they are also dogs or considered worse than dogs.

Sounds like we're in full agreement then. I'll need you to cut me a check for originally doubting me.

[Gelston]

Sounds like we're in full agreement then. I'll need you to cut me a check for originally doubting me.

No, I'm still disagreeing that what the Irish or Chinese faced was anything like slavery, where people were literally owned and could be beaten at their masters whim.

[Tgo01]

No, I'm still disagreeing that what the Irish or Chinese faced was anything like slavery, where people were literally owned and could be beaten at their masters whim.

The Chinese people working on the transcontinental rail were certainly whipped and if they tried to quit and find work elsewhere they were physically restrained until they agreed to work again. This is partly what led to the Chinese worker strike. They were slaves in everything but name, that and the fact that they were paid a paltry sum compared to non-Chinese workers.

Maybe their treatment wasn't legally allowed (I would imagine not) but it doesn't change the fact that they were treated that way.

[Wrathbringer]

Heck if I know. I just asked Tgo why the idea was so insane.

I've heard it might start with a committee who would then hammer out the details. I'd imagine it would involve records that survived the Civil War. Proof of ancestry. Maybe starting a national database on slave ancestry. Just as a starting point. Details would need to be worked out by the committee.

Leave it to you to believe something is a good idea with zero idea of how or if it could possibly work. Dumb, dumb dumb dumb, DUMB!