Where does the buck stop?

[ClydeR]

I'll tell you what. The buck stops with those meddling kids in the Democrat party.


Q Does the buck stop with you over this shutdown?

THE PRESIDENT: The buck stops with everybody. They could solve this problem in literally 15 minutes. We could be back. We could have border security. They could stop this problem in 15 minutes if they wanted to. I really believe now that they don’t want to. I really believe that. I really believe that they don’t care about crime. I really believe this. The Democrats don’t care about crime.

They’ve been taken over by a group of young people who, frankly, in some cases — I’ve been watching — I actually think they’re crazy. But they’ve been taken over by a group that is so far left. I really don’t think they care about crime. And, you know, sadly, they’re viewing this as the beginning of the 2020 presidential race, and that’s okay with me. But they have been taken over by a group of people that don’t care about gangs. They don’t care about human trafficking and drugs. They don’t care about anything. I’ll tell you what — they have gone crazy.

More... (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-marine-one-departure-30/)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n-Y4TIgktg

[Wrathbringer]

If democraps would negotiate in good faith like reasonable people this could be over in 15 minutes, as your president stated. Keep blaming trump though.

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If democraps would negotiate in good faith like reasonable people this could be over in 15 minutes, as your president stated. Keep blaming trump though.

Two years and it did not get done now you want to blame democrats. Democrats had border security funding in the bill they presented to keep the gov open but were turned down.

Trump said Mexico would pay for it. Now he wants taxpayers to pay for it. Trump said he would take the blame for shutting down the gov. Now he blames the democrats.

Trump is a total and complete joke. Nothing that comes out of his mouth is true.

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http://fortune.com/2018/12/13/trump-mexico-border-wall/

Trump Has Said Mexico Will Pay for the Border Wall at Least 20 Times Since 2015


President Donald Trump has repeated the campaign rallying cry that Mexico will pay for a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border since at least 2015.Earlier this week in a meeting with Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, Trump claimed (http://fortune.com/2018/12/11/trump-government-shutdown-border-security/) that he would “shut down the government” on Dec. 21 over border security if Congress does not approve $5 billion in funding for a border wall.

Following his heated demands, the president defaulted to his talking point that Mexico will pay for the wall, in a tweet on Thursday morning. Trump pointed to a new USMCA deal between the U.S., Mexico, and Canada and said (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1073195450033950720), “MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!”

The president has made the claim on Twitter, in interviews, and at press conferences and campaign rallies at least 20 times since April 2015.


In April 2015, he said (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/588716146792263682?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5E tweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E588716146792263682&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2018%2F01% 2F18%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-border-wall-immigration.html) on Twitter that the U.S. would build the border wall and “deduct costs from Mexican foreign aid.” Just days later, he made the same demand (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/589055094819258369) in a tweet, while also peddling a false story (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tijuana-transfer/) about ISIS operating training camps near El Paso, Texas.

During his presidential announcement speech (http://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-announcement-speech/) on June 16, 2015, Trump said, “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall.” Trump has fired up his supporters with the anti-immigrant talking point at a number of campaign rallies and in the press since then.

In August 2015, the Trump campaign released its position on immigration reform (https://web.archive.org/web/20150816161349/https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform). Part of the platform was titled, “Make Mexico Pay For The Wall.” During an appearance with CBS’s Face theNation, Trump doubled down (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-august-23-2015-trump-christie-cruz/) on that policy, and said, “And, by the way, Mexico will pay for it. It’s going to be a great wall,” he added, because “I know how to build.”

In a tweet in January 2016, Trump praised political commentator Ann Coulter—who has platformed white nationalist talking points (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/05/27/ann-coulter-%E2%80%93-white-nationalist-mainstream)to her audience—and again said Mexico would pay for the wall.

[Wrathbringer]

How many times did he say they'd DIRECTLY write us a check to pay for it? None. But you keep on with your butthurt whining.

[Wrathbringer]

Two years and it did not get done now you want to blame democrats. Democrats had border security funding in the bill they presented to keep the gov open but were turned down.

Trump said Mexico would pay for it. Now he wants taxpayers to pay for it. Trump said he would take the blame for shutting down the gov. Now he blames the democrats.

Trump is a total and complete joke. Nothing that comes out of his mouth is true.

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How many times did he say they'd DIRECTLY write us a check to pay for it? None. But you keep on with your butthurt whining.

The whole wall idea is such a colossal waste of taxpayer money. This has less to do with some fictional emergency and everything to do with Trump's ego. Thats all you're supporting... a monument to Trump, a lying con-artist from NY.

[Wrathbringer]

The whole wall idea is such a colossal waste of taxpayer money. This has less to do with some fictional emergency and everything to do with Trump's ego. Thats all you're supporting... a monument to Trump, a lying con-artist from NY.

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[Parkbandit]

The whole wall idea is such a colossal waste of taxpayer money. This has less to do with some fictional emergency and everything to do with Trump's ego. Thats all you're supporting... a monument to Trump, a lying con-artist from NY.

Serious question: Do you support an open border policy?

[Gelston]

I'm sure he wants ICE to be defunded and disbanded because people on the TV said so.

[Methais]

Two years and it did not get done now you want to blame democrats. Democrats had border security funding in the bill they presented to keep the gov open but were turned down.

Trump said Mexico would pay for it. Now he wants taxpayers to pay for it. Trump said he would take the blame for shutting down the gov. Now he blames the democrats.

Trump is a total and complete joke. Nothing that comes out of his mouth is true.

Shut up Gaylord Focker. (https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7763104-3x2-940x627.jpg)

[Methais]

They’ve been taken over by a group of young people who, frankly, in some cases — I’ve been watching — I actually think they’re crazy

Can’t imagine why.

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[Methais]

The whole wall idea is such a colossal waste of taxpayer money. This has less to do with some fictional emergency and everything to do with Trump's ego. Thats all you're supporting... a monument to Trump, a lying con-artist from NY.

Was this also the case when Democrats were talking about building a wall?

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Serious question: Do you support an open border policy?

Serious answer: Not at this time.

Not everyone who does not want a stupid wall wants to defund ICE or leave the borders wide open. This isn't so black and white. It isn't a "if you aren't with us, you're against us" situation, though I'm not surprised you would think so. And I'm not surprised to see that nonsense popping up on your "alt-media" sites.


Was this also the case when Democrats were talking about building a wall?

Oh, you mean the fence they actually supported and got built? The one they said they would build and did?

[Parkbandit]

Serious answer: Not at this time.

Not everyone who does not want a stupid wall wants to defund ICE or leave the borders wide open. This isn't so black and white. It isn't a "if you aren't with us, you're against us" situation, though I'm not surprised you would think so. And I'm not surprised to see that nonsense popping up on your "alt-media" sites.

So, you've changed your opinion because you've posted here multiple times that you are for open borders.

Ok, so this week you aren't for open borders. So, you would like to be like every other country and control the flow of people coming across your border.

The most effective way, by all accounts from people who do this for a living.. is a physical barrier, ie a wall, a fence, a structure that stops people from just walking/running across.

So, why again are you against a wall?


Oh, you mean the fence they actually supported and got built? The one they said they would build and did?

Dude, you really need to come up for air when you go head first into the kool-aid bowl.

SPOILER: They "got built" only a fraction of what it was supposed to be.

[Gelston]

Interesting, Trump might beable to tap into about 14 billion dollars set aside for Disaster Relief funds, paying for the USACE to build it.

Senator Graham is asking for Trump to go ahead and declare a National Emergency at the border.

[Methais]

Oh, you mean the fence they actually supported and got built? The one they said they would build and did?

Aside from this part...


SPOILER: They "got built" only a fraction of what it was supposed to be.

...yes.

Since you "forgot" to answer the actual question, did you support that or not?

[Wrathbringer]

Interesting, Trump might beable to tap into about 14 billion dollars set aside for Disaster Relief funds, paying for the USACE to build it.

Senator Graham is asking for Trump to go ahead and declare a National Emergency at the border.

I've read that declaring the emergency would end up causing delays and not working in the end because of judicial challenges that would be raised by the democraps. I've also read that congress would still have to approve funding or re-allocation of funds, and democraps would just refuse to fund it. Have you learned something else?

[Gelston]

I've read that declaring the emergency would end up causing delays and not working in the end because of judicial challenges that would be raised by the democraps. I've also read that congress would still have to approve funding or re-allocation of funds, and democraps would just refuse to fund it. Have you learned something else?

It would get the Government back running. The problem with Judicial challenges, you can't just challenge it. You have to have standing to create a legitimate case. It is one of the big checks on the Judicial, they can't just go out and declare things Unconsitutional and what not.

It wouldn't be a reallocation of funds though, those funds were already allocated for disaster relief. By declaring the border a national emergency, Trump is in effect declaring the area a disaster.

[Stumplicker]

Interesting, Trump might beable to tap into about 14 billion dollars set aside for Disaster Relief funds, paying for the USACE to build it.

Senator Graham is asking for Trump to go ahead and declare a National Emergency at the border.

While that might be a workable loophole, if anything goes wrong in the near future that those funds could (should) have been used for instead, it amounts to political suicide. You drain disaster relief to build a wall for a divisive issue and Katrina II hits or something, you're pretty much done.

I think that's something they'll steer clear of.

[Gelston]

While that might be a workable loophole, if anything goes wrong in the near future that those funds could (should) have been used for instead, it amounts to political suicide. You drain disaster relief to build a wall for a divisive issue and Katrina II hits or something, you're pretty much done.

I think that's something they'll steer clear of.

Nah. If anything goes wrong in the future, Congress will approve more funds, or they'll look like assholes. They might talk shit and say Trump took it, but they aren't going to say no to approving more cash for disaster relief.

[Stumplicker]

Nah. If anything goes wrong in the future, Congress will approve more funds, or they'll look like assholes. They might talk shit and say Trump took it, but they aren't going to say no to approving more cash for disaster relief.

Sure of course they'd get the money elsewhere. But it would reflect really, really poorly on the guy who, let's be honest, misappropriated 14 billion dollars to get something unrelated done. No matter if you can squint at it really hard and declare it a disaster within the bounds of the law...that's not the sort of disaster that money is for, and we all know it. Edit to add: Coming up on an election year..that's just a bad bet to make. That's why I think they'll steer clear. But Trump's pretty impulsive, so you never know.

[Gelston]

Sure of course they'd get the money elsewhere. But it would reflect really, really poorly on the guy who, let's be honest, misappropriated 14 billion dollars to get something unrelated done. No matter if you can squint at it really hard and declare it a disaster within the bounds of the law...that's not the sort of disaster that money is for, and we all know it.

It wouldn't though. The money is actually left over from the California Fires and the Hurricane. They pass new emergency funding bills for almost every disaster. The future would be no different.

I'm more thinking it'll be a "You either give me the 5.7, or I take this 14 and do it without you."

[Stumplicker]

It wouldn't though. The money is actually left over from the California Fires and the Hurricane. They pass new emergency funding bills for almost every disaster. The future would be no different.

Hurricanes and forest fires are things that happen every year. They've got their own seasons. Trump takes 14 billion out of some fund for that, it is free ammunition for the next one that hits for his political opposition, potentially right in the middle of the election. Anyway, like you said, he could do it, and like I said, he's impulsive so he might. I just think that's a bad bet for so small a fraction of the money he needs.

[Parkbandit]

Interesting, Trump might beable to tap into about 14 billion dollars set aside for Disaster Relief funds, paying for the USACE to build it.

Senator Graham is asking for Trump to go ahead and declare a National Emergency at the border.

I think that's a terrible idea.

It's pulling a Dirty Harry Reid..

[Gelston]

I think that's a terrible idea.

It's pulling a Dirty Harry Reid..

I'd prefer he went through Congress. I don't like the precedent it would set. Imagine another President, say a liberal one, doing the same for gun violence or what not. Still, it is an option, and one I think would hold up in court.

[Parkbandit]

I'd prefer he went through Congress. I don't like the precedent it would set. Imagine another President, say a liberal one, doing the same for gun violence or what not. Still, it is an option, and one I think would hold up in court.

I've heard that reasoning from other people.. but taking people's guns is specifically against the Constitution and would certainly lead to court battles.

It does set a terrible precedent though. I'm not sure it's an "emergency" at this point, given that it's been going on my entire adult life and every single President has kicked that can down the road until now.. but I do like how he took the liberal talking point of "humanitarian crisis" and forced them to say it's not a crisis anymore... where it was before the election with the caravan.

I never thought it was possible.. but liberals are looking more hypocritical since Trump was elected.. and I love it.

[Gelston]

I've heard that reasoning from other people.. but taking people's guns is specifically against the Constitution and would certainly lead to court battles.

It does set a terrible precedent though. I'm not sure it's an "emergency" at this point, given that it's been going on my entire adult life and every single President has kicked that can down the road until now.. but I do like how he took the liberal talking point of "humanitarian crisis" and forced them to say it's not a crisis anymore... where it was before the election with the caravan.

I never thought it was possible.. but liberals are looking more hypocritical since Trump was elected.. and I love it.

I was using that particular gun violence thing more as an example, but honestly, the Second Amendment has been tarnished to the point that I don't think it'll mean as much in the future. I could see it in the future. Look at California.

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So, you've changed your opinion because you've posted here multiple times that you are for open borders.

Really dude? This really does not help your creepy stalker reputation. Why the fuck did you even ask? Can you produce said posts? You're full of shit as usual, dude.


So, why again are you against a wall?

Impractical, inefficient, does not address real issues such as drug smuggling, human trafficking, colossal waste of money that could be put to much better use such as single payer health care for example and thats just a start of why a 1500 mile wall with our ally Mexico is a terribly stupid, dumb, idiotic, lame ass idea.

I will say this though. Trump should go ahead and call his little back pocket supposedly face-saving emergency declaration and let it die in the courts so the good people who are not getting paid for good work can get paid like they fucking should be instead of letting this infantile power-tripping liar tie up our government by throwing a tantrum over something he and the GOP had TWO YEARS TO DO.

[Stumplicker]

Impractical, inefficient, does not address real issues such as drug smuggling, human trafficking, colossal waste of money that could be put to much better use such as single payer health care for example and thats just a start of why a 1500 mile wall with our ally Mexico is a terribly stupid, dumb, idiotic, lame ass idea.


What does address the issue then? You're talking about taking money from one issue and using it to address another. Illegal immigrants in the US between 1993 and 2016 spiked from 3 million to 12 million (graphic below). Like it or not, illegal immigrants do cost money, and South American cartels do use the border to smuggle narcotics into the US. That cost has sextupled in our lifetime, assuming you were born in the early to mid 80s. If a wall is not a practical solution, what do you feel is? Increasing border security has worked to combat illegal immigration in every instance it's been tried. What's your better way, besides "spend that money on something else"? Because your way leaves the increased cost and problem intact.


https://immigration.procon.org/files/1-illegal-immigration-images/population-of-immigrants-in-the-country-illegally-2016.PNG

https://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000844

Also note that the only time that spike went DOWN was when our economy went to shit. Illegal immigrants jumped ship left and right because they had no accountability here. They were just here to get the money and bail. That may be your American dream, but it's not mine. Whether you like America or hate it, when things get bad, you have an obligation to work to make them better. You don't just bail.

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What does address the issue then? You're talking about taking money from one issue and using it to address another. Illegal immigrants in the US between 1993 and 2016 spiked from 3 million to 12 million (graphic below). Like it or not, illegal immigrants do cost money, and South American cartels do use the border to smuggle narcotics into the US. That cost has quadrupled in our lifetime. If a wall is not a practical solution, what do you feel is? Increasing border security has worked to combat illegal immigration in every instance it's been tried. What's your better way, besides "spend that money on something else"? Because your way leaves the increased cost and problem intact.

https://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000844

That chart actually shows immigration numbers decreasing since 2006. I would not call it a problem more than I would call it a challenge. How do we take in legit asylum seekers and turn them into taxpayers? How do we filter out the criminals? I think answer is more complicated than one giant wall to solve. My non-expert opinion is more people on the ground. It creates jobs and puts people on the front of a people related problem. Dealing with smuggling involves technology and more than just our land ports of entry.

[Stumplicker]

That chart actually shows immigration numbers decreasing since 2006. I would not call it a problem more than I would call it a challenge. How do we take in legit asylum seekers and turn them into taxpayers? How do we filter out the criminals? I think answer is more complicated than one giant wall to solve. My non-expert opinion is more people on the ground. It creates jobs and puts people on the front of a people related problem. Dealing with smuggling involves technology and more than just our land ports of entry.

The border, like you said, is 1500 miles long. More people on the ground is a part of the solution, but using JUST more people on the ground is far more expensive a proposition than any wall. A border wall as a much smaller up front cost lowers the requirement of having like fifteen million people all lock hands and guard a border 1500 miles long. Increased border checkpoints along that wall combat both illegal immigration and smuggling, as well as allow more opportunity for legitimate asylum seekers to reach out legally and apply for asylum. Throwing just more people on the ground leaves vast swaths of the border unguarded, costs far more, and gives no opportunity for legitimate asylum seekers to seek legal asylum except at the current checkpoints, which are at best a bureaucratic nightmare at the moment.

And like I said, immigration only decreased when the economy went to shit, which if you'll recall, started its domino effect in 2006 and lasted through at least 2014. After that, I couldn't think of any reason potential illegal immigrants might have given pause. If I had to take a guess though, I would say that there being a loud, unstable orange man getting the country riled up about all immigrants being criminals and rapists coming for our women and our jobs probably played some part in things.

Increased border security can happen in a number of ways. It can happen via rhetoric/attitude. It can happen via physical barriers, like walls. It can happen with boots on the ground. In reality, all three should be and are being addressed. I am absolutely for getting those in the country now on the path to legal citizenship. I am also for border security and I am vehemently anti-drug. Immigration to me is a political hurdle and a system that needs overhaul. The main reason I personally want to see border security is the drug trade.

[Methais]

Really dude? This really does not help your creepy stalker reputation. Why the fuck did you even ask? Can you produce said posts? You're full of shit as usual, dude.



Impractical, inefficient, does not address real issues such as drug smuggling, human trafficking, colossal waste of money that could be put to much better use such as single payer health care for example and thats just a start of why a 1500 mile wall with our ally Mexico is a terribly stupid, dumb, idiotic, lame ass idea.

I will say this though. Trump should go ahead and call his little back pocket supposedly face-saving emergency declaration and let it die in the courts so the good people who are not getting paid for good work can get paid like they fucking should be instead of letting this infantile power-tripping liar tie up our government by throwing a tantrum over something he and the GOP had TWO YEARS TO DO.


My non-expert opinion is more people on the ground.

Here's what the real experts, the ones who actually deal with it every day as opposed to virtue signaling on the internet all day, are saying:

Sheriff’s coalition releases statement about border security, immigration (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/2019/01/11/sheriffs-coalition-releases-statement-about-border-security-immigration/)

I'm sure you would know better than them, from your little hipster restaurant that you own/manage/lease/work at in New York.

Right?

And lol @ single payer, which will cost tens of trillions. I'm sure 5b will put a huge dent in that!

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Here's what the real experts, the ones who actually deal with it every day as opposed to virtue signaling on the internet all day, are saying:

Sheriff’s coalition releases statement about border security, immigration (http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/2019/01/11/sheriffs-coalition-releases-statement-about-border-security-immigration/)

I'm sure you would know better than them, from your little hipster restaurant that you own/manage/lease/work at in New York.

Right?

And lol @ single payer, which will cost tens of trillions. I'm sure 5b will put a huge dent in that!

You are a fucking clown. Did you even read what those sheriffs said? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Here, I copied a little clip just for you, you fucking clown.


There are many places where physical barriers make sense and are in fact the best solution to securing the border. They should be constructed without delay. In other locations, we need to turn to technology, which thanks to modern advances is robust and effective. In other areas, we need more human resources to ensure security. Likely, in all locations we will need some blend of physical barriers, technology and human resources to be successful. The ultimate goal of these efforts should be the complete and total operational security of our southern border. Endless debate about what constitutes a “wall” and who pays for it does little to advance much needed border security. As we discuss border security, we need to remember the importance of addressing our Ports of Entry (POE). POEs are not being discussed enough and are a major vulnerability. We have to ensure security while still supporting the effective flow of legitimate transnational commerce. Commerce with Mexico through the POEs is vital to the economy of the United States and pumps billions into our economy. Allowing Mexican citizens the ability to cross into the United States to engage in legitimate commerce is also vital to the economy of border regions.

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There are many places where physical barriers make sense and are in fact the best solution to securing the border. They should be constructed without delay.

The first sentence is them validating the need for a wall.


In other locations, we need to turn to technology, which thanks to modern advances is robust and effective. In other areas, we need more human resources to ensure security. Likely, in all locations we will need some blend of physical barriers, technology and human resources to be successful.

Again, a wall as well as a call to larger budgets in border patrol. To afford the sensors and drones they need to supplement a physical wall.


The ultimate goal of these efforts should be the complete and total operational security of our southern border. Endless debate about what constitutes a “wall” and who pays for it does little to advance much needed border security.

Actions above words. Which is why the government is shut down. Tell me who is pushing for more security at the border? In the form of a...


As we discuss border security, we need to remember the importance of addressing our Ports of Entry (POE)

Our border checkpoints need updating as well as more hands. So, technological and personnel in addition to the wall. That's what they are calling for here.


Commerce with Mexico through the POEs is vital to the economy of the United States and pumps billions into our economy. Allowing Mexican citizens the ability to cross into the United States to engage in legitimate commerce is also vital to the economy of border regions.

Yes, indeed. Legitimate commerce is vital to growing border regions. Legitimate. So, not narcotics or human trafficking. Which an increase in border security as well as a physical based barrier, will keep those legitimate businesses... legitimate.

You know better than this.

[Methais]

You are a fucking clown. Did you even read what those sheriffs said? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Here, I copied a little clip just for you, you fucking clown.

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And then there was this part, which you conveniently omitted:


There are many places where physical barriers make sense and are in fact the best solution to securing the border. They should be constructed without delay.

Last time I checked, walls were physical barriers.

You're still hung up on thinking that we'd just build a wall and then walk away and assume just the wall itself being there will fix everything. Nobody has ever made this case, not even Trump.

Lay off the estrogen.


LOL Methhead got PWNED!

Since you're just as stupid as Backlash:


There are many places where physical barriers make sense and are in fact the best solution to securing the border. They should be constructed without delay.

[Parkbandit]

Really dude? This really does not help your creepy stalker reputation. Why the fuck did you even ask? Can you produce said posts? You're full of shit as usual, dude.

So, you are saying you've never said you are for open borders?

You sure about that?

And having a decent memory isn't creepy. Maybe if you didn't drink a 5th of vodka every night when you get home as you cry about how shitty your life is.. you might be able to remember what you have posted before?


Impractical, inefficient, does not address real issues such as drug smuggling, human trafficking, colossal waste of money that could be put to much better use such as single payer health care for example and thats just a start of why a 1500 mile wall with our ally Mexico is a terribly stupid, dumb, idiotic, lame ass idea.

The exact opposite of people who actually deal with borders on a daily basis believe. Weird.

I guess bussing tables makes you an expert...


I will say this though. Trump should go ahead and call his little back pocket supposedly face-saving emergency declaration and let it die in the courts so the good people who are not getting paid for good work can get paid like they fucking should be instead of letting this infantile power-tripping liar tie up our government by throwing a tantrum over something he and the GOP had TWO YEARS TO DO.

By the time it was in the courts, the wall would be well under construction.

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The first sentence is them validating the need for a wall.

Incorrect. They use plural, walls, not one big stupid 1500 mile wall, which Dumbo Jumbo Trump wants.


Again, a wall as well as a call to larger budgets in border patrol. To afford the sensors and drones they need to supplement a physical wall.

Again, walls. Plural. In strategic places. Barriers, whatever. There are some there, no one has said NO BARRIERS EVAR, just one big 1500 mile wall is stupid, a colossal waste of time and money, ad nauseum.


Actions above words. Which is why the government is shut down. Tell me who is pushing for more security at the border? In the form of a...

The government is shut down because of Trump. Period. Democrats offered border security funding in the bills presented to Trump who rejected them because they did not fund his singular wall.


Our border checkpoints need updating as well as more hands. So, technological and personnel in addition to the wall. That's what they are calling for here.

Which is what I suggested. But hey I'm no expert on this.


Yes, indeed. Legitimate commerce is vital to growing border regions. Legitimate. So, not narcotics or human trafficking. Which an increase in border security as well as a physical based barrier, will keep those legitimate businesses... legitimate.

Smuggling and trafficking mainly happens at ports of entry, not the middle of the desert. The bill proposed by the democrats included funding for better technology at screening vehicles for these things. Trump turned that down.


And then there was this part, which you conveniently omitted:

Last time I checked, walls were physical barriers.

You're still hung up on thinking that we'd just build a wall and then walk away and assume just the wall itself being there will fix everything. Nobody has ever made this case, not even Trump.

Lay off the estrogen.

Hey, you are the one who butt his dumb ass head into the conversation I was having with Stump where I offered my non-expert opinion that one wall was stupid and we needed technology and people power, which your little attempt at correcting me only proved my point.


The exact opposite of people who actually deal with borders on a daily basis believe. Weird.

Not according to the sheriffs in the post directly above yours.

[Astray]

Incorrect. They use plural, walls, not one big stupid 1500 mile wall, which Dumbo Jumbo Trump wants.

Go ahead and look at the geography along the border.


Again, walls. Plural. In strategic places. Barriers, whatever. There are some there, no one has said NO BARRIERS EVAR, just one big 1500 mile wall is stupid, a colossal waste of time and money, ad nauseum.

I'll agree, one giant long wall is pretty fucking stupid. Also, a wall is a barrier.


The government is shut down because of Trump. Period. Democrats offered border security funding in the bills presented to Trump who rejected them because they did not fund his singular wall.

A figure was presented, the President, your President, of the US said it was insufficient. It's in negotiations and neither side wants to budge. It's Democrats and the President. Not one or the other, both.


But hey I'm no expert on this.

Something we can agree on.


Smuggling and trafficking mainly happens at ports of entry

No, no it really doesn't.


Hey, you are the one who butt his dumb ass head into the conversation I was having with Stump where I offered my non-expert opinion that one wall was stupid and we needed technology and people power, which your little attempt at correcting me only proved my point.

You said something, I responded with a statement from official sources working directly at the border. Your immediate response was to ignore the first snippet and nitpick.

It's incredibly early for a wine cooler, Back.

[Back]

I'll agree, one giant long wall is pretty fucking stupid. Also, a wall is a barrier.

Hey, see, that wasn't so bad, was it?


A figure was presented, the President, your President, of the US said it was insufficient. It's in negotiations and neither side wants to budge. It's Democrats and the President. Not one or the other, both.

Trump said he would shut down, Trump said he would take the blame for the shut down, Trump said he would be happy to shut down, democrats offered SENSIBLE border security funding but Trump rejected it. Trump continues to hold out. This is the longest the government has been shut down, hundreds of thousands of good honest working people are not getting paid, our airport security is at risk, all because Trump wants a wall. This is squarely on Trump.


Something we can agree on.

Holy shit, twice in one day. :lol:

[Astray]

Hey, see, that wasn't so bad, was it?

I said that because I grew up in a border town. There's a lot of spots along the border that are vast and perfect for a clear cut border wall. Then there are places with drops. Then there are peoples houses that sit directly on the border.

A long wall is not feasible, but barriers would be the perfect deterrent at some of the most dangerous spots. If you see a barrier and you can't look through the slats to see solid footing, don't go over it.


Trump said he would shut down, Trump said he would take the blame for the shut down, Trump said he would be happy to shut down, democrats offered SENSIBLE border security funding but Trump rejected it. Trump continues to hold out. This is the longest the government has been shut down, hundreds of thousands of good honest working people are not getting paid, our airport security is at risk, all because Trump wants a wall. This is squarely on Trump.

Both sides are accountable. Trump can take all the blame he wants but people with a pair of eyeballs can see that neither side is budging because of a stupid fucking line in the sand.

[Androidpk]

Trump even shut down an offer that the Republicans came up with. This isn't about the wall, this is all about Trump and his incredibly fragile ego.

[~Rocktar~]

Trump even shut down an offer that the Republicans came up with. This isn't about the wall, this is all about Trump and his incredibly fragile ego.

Or it could be about the egos of Skelator and Lying Chuckie which is much more likely since Trump has already given a lot of ground in offers and they haven't given shit. It is painfully obvious to anyone that has negotiated anything of value that you have absolutely no clue on how negotiation works and that you have drunk all the Koolaid and gobbled all the Leftist cock.

[Androidpk]

Trump hasn't given any ground, not to Democrats and not to Republicans. Stop acting like you're some top tier negotiator with insight that no one else but Trump has :lol:

[Neveragain]

Trump even shut down an offer that the Republicans came up with. This isn't about the wall, this is all about Trump and his incredibly fragile ego.

How dare an elected official stand firm in delivering a campaign promise.

Elections have consequences.

Your daily imbecilic meltdowns are worth a 2nd term.

[Androidpk]

The majority of Americans blame Trump for the shutdown.
The majority of Americans reject the wall idea.
The majority of Americans believe Trump is compromised.
The majority of Americans believe Trump obstructed the investigation.

Elections have consequences.

[Fortybox]

The majority of Americans blame Trump for the shutdown.
The majority of Americans reject the wall idea.
The majority of Americans believe Trump is compromised.
The majority of Americans believe Trump obstructed the investigation.

Elections have consequences.

Zero sources - as usual.

This is simply not true. Keep trolling though.

[Androidpk]

Zero sources - as usual.

This is simply not true. Keep trolling though.

No one buys your fake news excuse anymore. Sorry not sorry.

[Wrathbringer]

The majority of Americans blame Trump for the shutdown.
The majority of Americans reject the wall idea.
The majority of Americans believe Trump is compromised.
The majority of Americans believe Trump obstructed the investigation.

Elections have consequences.

The majority of PC users believe you are a retarded P.O.S.

Actions have consequences.

[Fortybox]

No one buys your fake news excuse anymore. Sorry not sorry.

You're fake news.

[Methais]

Hey, you are the one who butt his dumb ass head into the conversation I was having with Stump where I offered my non-expert opinion that one wall was stupid and we needed technology and people power, which your little attempt at correcting me only proved my point.

There's a reason why you're considered by people on both sides as the absolute dumbest person on this entire forum. Thanks for proving it again, hipster dude.


No one buys your fake news excuse anymore. Sorry not sorry.

No one buys literally anything you say about any subject, ever, cwolffpk.

[Stumplicker]

The sad part here is that there is an argument to be made for almost everything a few of these people argue on the boards. The most frequent posters just lack the conversational wherewithal to convey their points without resorting to fake statistics or outright lies, which ends their arguments before they can even be considered because nobody falls for it.

I'm going to demonstrate this for you just once, leftists. I don't like referring to people as left or right because it starts out on a bad foot, but most of the people on the right here already know what they're doing when making a point. Warning - Wall of text incoming. Get over it.

Note that this isn't my personal opinion as I've stated my opinion on this topic, and it's the opposite side of this coin. Here's an argument against building a wall and tightening border security that doesn't utilize false data, lies, or political spin:

We should not be spending money to tighten border security or build physical barriers along a 1500 mile stretch of land. We largely don't need that on our Northern border because Canada is economically stable and largely in sync with us culturally. Instead, we should use the money that we would invest in increased security working with Mexico to strengthen their economy, fight their internal corruption and narcotics issues much in the same way we fought our own war on drugs to stem the tide in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

With Mexico having a stronger economic base, they won't feel as beholden to the cartels. They'll be able to stand on their own two feet and stamp out their own crime. This will result in a stronger ally at our Southern border, which will in turn negate the need for stronger border security, lower our own drug issues, and leave the US in a better geopolitical situation than it was prior. It will also lower immigration from that country because why leave? Things are good.

We will be paid back in increased trade from a stronger economic Mexico, strong alliances from an ally without huge corruption issues and a better army because of their increased GDP, and diplomatic sway.

Large swaths of the US that used to be Mexico share many of the same cultural histories as we do. Our two nations are already inextricably intertwined, just like our shared history with Canada. If we work together we can make a stronger foundation for everyone and lay our ideological differences to rest for good. A strong North America is a strong United States of America.

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End of argument. Again, this is not my personal opinion. I think Mexico already has a strong enough economic base to police their own issues. They're too inconsequential to be a real asset from a military standpoint, and we already took the parts of Mexico we wanted over the last few hundred years. I was against bailing out our overbloated banks. I'm certainly not for bailing out other countries.

[ClydeR]

You can drive race cars in underground tunnels across the border, safely below any wall.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_errHqd92k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_errHqd92k

[Androidpk]

The sad part here is that there is an argument to be made for almost everything a few of these people argue on the boards. The most frequent posters just lack the conversational wherewithal to convey their points without resorting to fake statistics or outright lies, which ends their arguments before they can even be considered because nobody falls for it.

I'm going to demonstrate this for you just once, leftists. I don't like referring to people as left or right because it starts out on a bad foot, but most of the people on the right here already know what they're doing when making a point. Warning - Wall of text incoming. Get over it.

Note that this isn't my personal opinion as I've stated my opinion on this topic, and it's the opposite side of this coin. Here's an argument against building a wall and tightening border security that doesn't utilize false data, lies, or political spin:

We should not be spending money to tighten border security or build physical barriers along a 1500 mile stretch of land. We largely don't need that on our Northern border because Canada is economically stable and largely in sync with us culturally. Instead, we should use the money that we would invest in increased security working with Mexico to strengthen their economy, fight their internal corruption and narcotics issues much in the same way we fought our own war on drugs to stem the tide in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

With Mexico having a stronger economic base, they won't feel as beholden to the cartels. They'll be able to stand on their own two feet and stamp out their own crime. This will result in a stronger ally at our Southern border, which will in turn negate the need for stronger border security, lower our own drug issues, and leave the US in a better geopolitical situation than it was prior. It will also lower immigration from that country because why leave? Things are good.

We will be paid back in increased trade from a stronger economic Mexico, strong alliances from an ally without huge corruption issues and a better army because of their increased GDP, and diplomatic sway.

Large swaths of the US that used to be Mexico share many of the same cultural histories as we do. Our two nations are already inextricably intertwined, just like our shared history with Canada. If we work together we can make a stronger foundation for everyone and lay our ideological differences to rest for good. A strong North America is a strong United States of America.

-------------

End of argument. Again, this is not my personal opinion. I think Mexico already has a strong enough economic base to police their own issues. They're too inconsequential to be a real asset from a military standpoint, and we already took the parts of Mexico we wanted over the last few hundred years. I was against bailing out our overbloated banks. I'm certainly not for bailing out other countries.

Wow, look at all your cited sources.

[Back]

The sad part here is that there is an argument to be made for almost everything a few of these people argue on the boards. The most frequent posters just lack the conversational wherewithal to convey their points without resorting to fake statistics or outright lies, which ends their arguments before they can even be considered because nobody falls for it.

Yeah, the most frequent posters are busy with responses like "tl;dr" or "you're retarded" or some more verbose combination of the two. I think a good many people here use these boards in a cathartic way to think they are dunking on people they otherwise would never do or say in person to anyone's face. Once you accept that, and how silly it is how often those people who do it constantly are, the PC becomes more comedic entertainment.

Where you and I will disagree is that I rarely see reasoned debate from any of the right-wing nuts. Rarely. Occasionally it happens, but usually it's "ur dum lool" which gets pretty boring.

[Stumplicker]

Wow, look at all your cited sources.

What would you like me to cite a source for? I didn't cite any statistics.

[Stumplicker]

Yeah, the most frequent posters are busy with responses like "tl;dr" or "you're retarded" or some more verbose combination of the two. I think a good many people here use these boards in a cathartic way to think they are dunking on people they otherwise would never do or say in person to anyone's face. Once you accept that, and how silly it is how often those people who do it constantly are, the PC becomes more comedic entertainment.

Where you and I will disagree is that I rarely see reasoned debate from any of the right-wing nuts. Rarely. Occasionally it happens, but usually it's "ur dum lool" which gets pretty boring.

You mean responses like "Wow, look at all your cited sources."?

[Wrathbringer]

You can drive race cars in underground tunnels across the border, safely below any wall.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_errHqd92k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_errHqd92k

u r stupid

[Androidpk]

You mean responses like "Wow, look at all your cited sources."?

At least you're finally acknowledging what a tool you are, bravo.

[Stumplicker]

At least you're finally acknowledging what a tool you are, bravo.

Again, what would you like me to cite sources for? I'm more than happy to do so. Which part or my argument were you having trouble with?

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, the most frequent posters are busy with responses like "tl;dr" or "you're retarded" or some more verbose combination of the two. I think a good many people here use these boards in a cathartic way to think they are dunking on people they otherwise would never do or say in person to anyone's face. Once you accept that, and how silly it is how often those people who do it constantly are, the PC becomes more comedic entertainment.

Where you and I will disagree is that I rarely see reasoned debate from any of the right-wing nuts. Rarely. Occasionally it happens, but usually it's "ur dum lool" which gets pretty boring.

Yes, yes.. we can't possibly keep up with your intellectual posts that debate the finer points of politics...


Really dude? This really does not help your creepy stalker reputation. Why the fuck did you even ask? Can you produce said posts? You're full of shit as usual, dude.


See.. this is just another example of why no one with a brain takes you the least bit seriously. You're as hypocritical as you are ignorant.

[Parkbandit]

Again, what would you like me to cite sources for? I'm more than happy to do so. Which part or my argument were you having trouble with?

He's still upset you called him out for not citing a source with his claims.. and this is his way of "getting back" at you.

[Androidpk]

Oh PB, no one fantasizes about "getting back" at someone as much as you, it's why you gotta resort to spending years and years sending the same homo-erotic rep messages to people. Cheer up buddy, it's a new year :)

[Stumplicker]

He's still upset you called him out for not citing a source with his claims.. and this is his way of "getting back" at you.

Oh I know. I'm just demonstrating that I'm not afraid to cite sources for whatever he wants, because nothing I used in my argument was false, unlike his.

Actually there is one thing in there that I should augment that I could volunteer even. I said the drug war in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I should have added 00's. I initially thought it was the Clinton administration that reintroduced SEPs after we knee-jerk ended them, helping diseases like HIV spread faster inadvertently. It was largely Obama that reintroduced those though, so 00's is also appropriate.

[Parkbandit]

Oh PB, no one fantasizes about "getting back" at someone as much as you, it's why you gotta resort to spending years and years sending the same homo-erotic rep messages to people. Cheer up buddy, it's a new year :)

You're quickly turning into Ashliana 2.0... which is hilarious to watch unfold, right before our eyes.

Thank you buddy. You're meltdown was my most favorite.

[Androidpk]

Look at the Queen of meltdowns project his insecurities on the big meanie PK :lol:

[Methais]

Yeah, the most frequent posters are busy with responses like "tl;dr" or "you're retarded" or some more verbose combination of the two. I think a good many people here use these boards in a cathartic way to think they are dunking on people they otherwise would never do or say in person to anyone's face. Once you accept that, and how silly it is how often those people who do it constantly are, the PC becomes more comedic entertainment.

Where you and I will disagree is that I rarely see reasoned debate from any of the right-wing nuts. Rarely. Occasionally it happens, but usually it's "ur dum lool" which gets pretty boring.

You come here to virtue signal, I come here to laugh at idiots like you and time4fun and none of you ever disappoint.

You've been told this multiple times by numerous people on here. Which part aren't you understanding?

Btw in the case of you tards it's TR;DR, for obvious reasons.


What would you like me to cite a source for? I didn't cite any statistics.

He wants you to site your source for your own personal opinion, because he doesn't understand how this works.

Here, I'll help. Hey pk you dumb creepy fuck, here's the source for that post, which said in bold that it was Stumplicker's personal opinion:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/member.php?10877-Stumplicker


Look at the Queen of meltdowns project his insecurities on the big meanie PK :lol:

If that makes him the queen of meltdowns, what does trying to get me fired and dox me to Antifa make you?

Your stupidity is amazing. Especially because it keeps getting worse daily.

[Back]

There's a reason why you're considered by people on both sides as the absolute dumbest person on this entire forum. Thanks for proving it again, hipster dude.


You come here to virtue signal, I come here to laugh at idiots like you and time4fun and none of you ever disappoint.

You've been told this multiple times by numerous people on here. Which part aren't you understanding?

Btw in the case of you tards it's TR;DR, for obvious reasons.

Source?

:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

[Methais]

Source?

:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/member.php?80-Methais

You're bad at this. Really bad.

[Parkbandit]

Look at the Queen of meltdowns project his insecurities on the big meanie PK :lol:

"I'm not melting down, YOU'RE MELTING DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/member.php?80-Methais

You're bad at everything. Really bad.

FTFY

[Astray]

Popped up on my feed, thought it was worth discussing?

https://i.imgur.com/o75u5sS.jpg

[~Rocktar~]

So here is the deal, already dismissed so now it's clearly and soundly Pelosi and Schumer's shutdown.

Border wall, enhanced tech, more agents, short term amnesty, pretty much all the Dems previously proposed. So with it's dismissal, let the shit show commence. Trump compromised now he can say he has compromised, they have not so it's on them and make no mistake, continued polling numbers seem to suggest that he is beginning to win the hearts and minds in this fight. This is just one more fork in the Dem leadership as the rank and file start to signal that they want a deal.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/42407/breaking-trump-announces-plan-end-government-ryan-saavedra

[Androidpk]

Sorry, this is shutdown is still Trump and McConnell's problem. Both Dems and Repubs are ready to vote on a bill to reopen the government and those two shit stains are holding everything up.

[Wrathbringer]

Sorry, this is shutdown is still Trump and McConnell's problem. Both Dems and Repubs are ready to vote on a bill to reopen the government and those two shit stains are holding everything up.

You're retarded. Like really bad.

[Alfster]

You're retarded. Like really bad.

I'll bite. How is it not McConnell's shutdown? He's the one not allowing the votes on any bills.

The wall itself I'm still not sure there's an actual plan. Where'd last year's budget go? How many more 5 billion dollar budgets will it take? Do we even have contractors ready to go? Last I saw they still weren't even able to fill enough contracts to spend 1/5 of the budget from last year.

Trump's certainly not acting in good faith. The Dems aren't willing to budge - and I'm just sitting back wondering why he isn't pushing an actual plan. It's looking like it's just straight up - give me this because I need a win.

[Alfster]

Because all Mcconnell is doing is protecting the President. Because if both the House and Senate passes the bill and Trump sits on it then Trump takes double damage from poll criticals.

Isn't he also protecting Republicans from having to be on record for or against the shutdown?

Even by that explanation. It sure sounds and feels like the president's shutdown.

[Parkbandit]

Isn't he also protecting Republicans from having to be on record for or against the shutdown?

Even by that explanation. It sure sounds and feels like the president's shutdown.

It certainly is the President's shutdown. He has said that unless there is 5.7 billion in funding for border security, he's not interested in opening the government.

But let's be honest.. in 2006, by a vote of 80 to 19, the Senate voted into law the Secure Fence Act https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061026-1.html

So what happened in 12 years that these politicians were so for border security then.. and now because Trump is President, they are suddenly opposed to it?

It's such a 3rd grade level of argument to say "OMG It's his fault!" "No it's not, it's her fault!"

It's our government's fault.

[Methais]

It certainly is the President's shutdown. He has said that unless there is 5.7 billion in funding for border security, he's not interested in opening the government.

But let's be honest.. in 2006, by a vote of 80 to 19, the Senate voted into law the Secure Fence Act https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061026-1.html

So what happened in 12 years that these politicians were so for border security then.. and now because Trump is President, they are suddenly opposed to it?

It's such a 3rd grade level of argument to say "OMG It's his fault!" "No it's not, it's her fault!"

It's our government's fault.

It’s Gelston’s fault.

[Gelston]

It’s Gelston’s fault.

I AM the state.

[Androidpk]

Isn't he also protecting Republicans from having to be on record for or against the shutdown?

Even by that explanation. It sure sounds and feels like the president's shutdown.

There are enough Republican votes in the House to pass a bipartisan bill to reopen the government and according to multiple people there are enough Republican votes to pass it and override Trump's veto if need be. Trump has no political capital. McConnell knows this. If the House and Senate reopen the government and override Trump's veto he'll be even weaker. For some reason McConnell feels the need to put Trump above the well being of the country and the Republican party.

[Gelston]

There are enough Republican votes in the House to pass a bipartisan bill to reopen the government and according to multiple people there are enough Republican votes to pass it and override Trump's veto if need be. Trump has no political capital. McConnell knows this. If the House and Senate reopen the government and override Trump's veto he'll be even weaker. For some reason McConnell feels the need to put Trump above the well being of the country and the Republican party.

Or maybe he feels the well being of the country comes from 5 billion for the border. I could turn it around and say the Democrats are the ones being petty.

[Androidpk]

Or maybe he feels the well being of the country comes from 5 billion for the border. I could turn it around and say the Democrats are the ones being petty.

The government being shutdown for this long is doing far more damage and putting the nation at risk. TSA isn't getting paid. The Coast Guard isn't getting paid. Republicans even blocked attempts to get funding to Homeland Security. Blame Democrats all you want but this isn't on them. Fund a blue ribbon committee to focus on the issue of border security and reopen the government now.

[Fortybox]

The government being shutdown for this long is doing far more damage and putting the nation at risk. TSA isn't getting paid. The Coast Guard isn't getting paid. Republicans even blocked attempts to get funding to Homeland Security. Blame Democrats all you want but this isn't on them. Fund a blue ribbon committee to focus on the issue of border security and reopen the government now.

https://media.giphy.com/media/iJC6vqnoxXvPO/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

There are enough Republican votes in the House to pass a bipartisan bill to reopen the government and according to multiple people there are enough Republican votes to pass it and override Trump's veto if need be. Trump has no political capital. McConnell knows this. If the House and Senate reopen the government and override Trump's veto he'll be even weaker. For some reason McConnell feels the need to put Trump above the well being of the country and the Republican party.

For some reason Pelosi feels the need to put herself above the well being of the country.

[Parkbandit]

The government being shutdown for this long is doing far more damage and putting the nation at risk. TSA isn't getting paid. The Coast Guard isn't getting paid. Republicans even blocked attempts to get funding to Homeland Security. Blame Democrats all you want but this isn't on them. Fund a blue ribbon committee to focus on the issue of border security and reopen the government now.

We've been kicking this can down the road for as long as I've been a registered voter.

The Democrats AND Republicans use illegal immigration as a wedge and have been for well over 40 years now.

Donald Trump is taking a stand.. which is why he was elected. He's not the type to shy away from tough decisions.

[Wrathbringer]

The government being shutdown for this long is doing far more damage and putting the nation at risk. TSA isn't getting paid. The Coast Guard isn't getting paid. Republicans even blocked attempts to get funding to Homeland Security. Blame Democrats all you want but this isn't on them. Fund a blue ribbon committee to focus on the issue of border security and reopen the government now.

You're retarded.

[Neveragain]

The government being shutdown for this long is doing far more damage and putting the nation at risk. TSA isn't getting paid. The Coast Guard isn't getting paid. Republicans even blocked attempts to get funding to Homeland Security. Blame Democrats all you want but this isn't on them. Fund a blue ribbon committee to focus on the issue of border security and reopen the government now.

This is what it looks like when you pretend to care but you really don't. Fucking terribly written.

[Androidpk]

This is what it looks like when you pretend to care but you really don't. Fucking terribly written.

Wrong? I consider border security a fairly big part of the US national security agenda. Drug smuggling, human trafficking, weapons trafficking. All of that. But go on spouting the same useless and fake BS that certain parties in the US don't care about borders, crime, etc.

[Parkbandit]

Wrong? I consider border security a fairly big part of the US national security agenda. Drug smuggling, human trafficking, weapons trafficking. All of that. But go on spouting the same useless and fake BS that certain parties in the US don't care about borders, crime, etc.

Couldn't help but notice you didn't list illegal immigration on that list.

So, what is your plan to stop those? Just hope they go away?

[Androidpk]

Illegal immigration too. More boots on the ground (US Border Patrol, not military), more funding for the Coast Guard (most drugs come into the country across the water, not land), more funding for aerial coverage (drones, helicopters). There are a number of ways border security could be improved. A wall is not one of them.

[Neveragain]

Couldn't help but notice you didn't list illegal immigration on that list.

So, what is your plan to stop those? Just hope they go away?

Hope that the democrats can stalemate the situation for the next 2 years, because he knows damn well if the wall gets started under Trump the democrats have a 0% chance of taking the white house in 2020.

The fact that they are willing to risk the lives of American citizens over the 2020 election just goes to show how immoral democrats are.

[Neveragain]

Illegal immigration too. More boots on the ground (US Border Patrol, not military), more funding for the Coast Guard (most drugs come into the country across the water, not land), more funding for aerial coverage (drones, helicopters). There are a number of ways border security could be improved. A wall is not one of them.

The fact that you keep on insisting that walls don't work, make you either completely separated from reality or you're lying.

[Methais]

The fact that you keep on insisting that walls don't work, make you either completely separated from reality or you're lying.

He just says what the tv tells him to say.

[Androidpk]

The fact that you keep on insisting that walls don't work, make you either completely separated from reality or you're lying.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-18/nearly-400-migrants-tunnel-under-border-wall-to-enter-united-states-from-mexico

[Parkbandit]

Illegal immigration too. More boots on the ground (US Border Patrol, not military), more funding for the Coast Guard (most drugs come into the country across the water, not land), more funding for aerial coverage (drones, helicopters). There are a number of ways border security could be improved. A wall is not one of them.

So.. you believe that a physical barrier doesn't stop people from going from one place to another... even though we put walls around everything we want to keep people in or out of certain areas...

If you wanted to look slightly less retarded.. you should have called walls inhumane or something along those lines... saying walls don't work is probably the dumbest thing you've said on these message boards.. and you've literally had a 13 year history of repeatedly saying some really stupid shit.

[Androidpk]

So.. you believe that a physical barrier doesn't stop people from going from one place to another... even though we put walls around everything we want to keep people in or out of certain areas...

If you wanted to look slightly less retarded.. you should have called walls inhumane or something along those lines... saying walls don't work is probably the dumbest thing you've said on these message boards.. and you've literally had a 13 year history of repeatedly saying some really stupid shit.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-18/nearly-400-migrants-tunnel-under-border-wall-to-enter-united-states-from-mexico

[Parkbandit]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-18/nearly-400-migrants-tunnel-under-border-wall-to-enter-united-states-from-mexico

How long did that tunnel take them to make? Do you believe that it took more or less time than just walking across the border?

Spoiler: You know why it took them so long to build that tunnel? BECAUSE THERE WAS A FUCKING WALL IN THEIR WAY.

It's like you are itching for a title fight with this type of stupidity. I'll give you this: It's almost on par with time4fun's revelation that the wealth gap in San Francisco is the fault of Republicans.

[Androidpk]

And how long it took to dig that small tunnel matters how exactly? They got past the wall and no one caught them at the wall digging it. But go on and tell us how effective walls are. :lol:

[Astray]

I like how the article points this out.


The record-large group that entered the U.S. on Monday, meanwhile, made the crossing in a particularly rural area, a 26-mile stretch of an older section of barrier that Border Patrol said was being monitored by only three agents.

On top of them having chosen an old section, they also chose a geological soft spot that was easier to dig through. You can say the wall is ineffective but they had to choose a specific location that was poorly patrolled in order to have even any success of entry. It deterred people, until they chose to dig.

Can you tell me why they dug? Is it because it was far more quiet than, say, cutting through metal with a grinder or saw? It's almost like the wall deterred these people from taking an action that would have got them caught. How strange is that.

[Parkbandit]

And how long it took to dig that small tunnel matters how exactly?

Walls are not impenetrable... they are merely 1 of many measures that allow us to control the flow of people and goods across the border. Had the wall not been there, they would have simply just walked across the border without slowing down at all. The wall did it's job by greatly reducing the number of people and goods coming across.. and the people that were serious about crossing there had to construct a tunnel to get there.

Also, we found them because of some other measures we have in place.


They got past the wall and no one caught them at the wall digging it. But go on and tell us how effective walls are. :lol:

Extremely effective as you have perfectly illustrated.

Thank you.

[Androidpk]

Walls are not impenetrable... they are merely 1 of many measures that allow us to control the flow of people and goods across the border. Had the wall not been there, they would have simply just walked across the border without slowing down at all. The wall did it's job by greatly reducing the number of people and goods coming across.. and the people that were serious about crossing there had to construct a tunnel to get there.

Also, we found them because of some other measures we have in place.



Extremely effective as you have perfectly illustrated.

Thank you.

We didn't find them because of "some other measures". They turned themselves in voluntarily. Maybe try reading the article next time.

[Gelston]

We didn't find them because of "some other measures". They turned themselves in voluntarily. Maybe try reading the article next time.

"Some other measures" are part of the things Trump wants to get. They have seismic detectors that will be added to help discover tunnels being dug. They use them in Israel and at prisons.

[Androidpk]

"Some other measures" are part of the things Trump wants to get. They have seismic detectors that will be added to help discover tunnels being dug. They use them in Israel and at prisons.

Yes but that has nothing to do with what pb said.

[Alfster]

Genuine question here - why does a border on our southern wall only matter? A good portion of our drugs here come through Canada.

Here being northern Wisconsin.

[Gelston]

Genuine question here - why does a border on our southern wall only matter? A good portion of our drugs here come through Canada.

Here being northern Wisconsin.

A lot more come into the US from the southern border. I'm all for walls on both though. Big walls, with electric wires. And speakers blaring Slayer.

[Parkbandit]

Genuine question here - why does a border on our southern wall only matter? A good portion of our drugs here come through Canada.

Here being northern Wisconsin.

Far more drugs, crime, illegal aliens, etc.. come through our southern border than through Canada.

Hell, I bet more illegal aliens from the US go TO Canada than vica versa. They should build a wall!

[Parkbandit]

Yes but that has nothing to do with what pb said.

So.. walls do work.

This simple lesson was free as part of my helping the less intelligent/fortunate/motivated.

You're welcome.

[Androidpk]

So.. walls do work.

This simple lesson was free as part of my helping the less intelligent/fortunate/motivated.

You're welcome.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-18/nearly-400-migrants-tunnel-under-border-wall-to-enter-united-states-from-mexico

[sellstuff1]

So.. walls do work.

Source?

[Ashlander]

Source?

Ancient China, the Vatican and millions of people's back yards?

Edit: Forgot about gated communities.

[Parkbandit]

Source?

Seriously? Androidpk, despite his best efforts, proved that they work.

Walls take far longer to get across than nothing in the way.

I would say use your common sense... but.. yea...

[Gelston]

Acosta made a news report about the walls we currently have working.

[Methais]

Acosta accidentally made a news report about the walls we currently have working.

Fixed.

[Methais]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-18/nearly-400-migrants-tunnel-under-border-wall-to-enter-united-states-from-mexico

Way to double down on your extreme stupidity.

How do people become this dumb?

[Androidpk]

Seriously? Androidpk, despite his best efforts, proved that they work.

Walls take far longer to get across than nothing in the way.

I would say use your common sense... but.. yea...

Yes, showing how easy it is to bypass the wall really proves that the walls work. That's same amazing logic.

[Methais]

Yes, showing how easy it is to bypass the wall really proves that the walls work. That's same amazing logic.

You're really stupid.

[Stumplicker]

Yes, showing how easy it is to bypass the wall really proves that the walls work. That's same amazing logic.

Is it the same logic you used to say that the Berlin wall didn't work at all despite all evidence to the contrary?

Border security has never been about just building a wall and then saying "There! Fixed forever!". It's a supplemental tool that increases security where there has and always will be other measures in place. If that weren't the case, walls wouldn't exist at all. If they didn't do anything, nobody would ever have reason to build them.

We don't live in the Pacific Rim universe where we're just building a giant wall and saying "Lol wut Kaiju?", because you have to be a special kind of Get It Started to believe that works.

[Astray]

Man, I wish we lived with Kaiju.

[Gelston]

Man, I wish we lived with Kaiju.

No. Asian stuff is stupid.

[Astray]

No. Asian stuff is stupid.

Your mom is asian.

[Gelston]

Your mom is asian.

There is 0 Asian in my DNA, so no, she is not.

[Parkbandit]

Way to double down on your extreme stupidity.

How do people become this dumb?

Laying on a couch for weeks on end probably cuts off circulation to the brain.

[Stumplicker]

There is 0 Asian in my DNA, so no, she is not.

If there's no asian in your DNA, explain where you inherited your tiny penis!!

https://i.imgur.com/W0lXV3H.gif

[Astray]

There is 0 Asian in my DNA, so no, she is not.

Whatever you say, Ming.

[Gelston]

Whatever you say, Ming.

I'm just going to ignore the faggotry coming from Stumplicker. That is why I'm quoting your post and not his.

[Astray]

I'm just going to ignore the faggotry coming from Stumplicker. That is why I'm quoting your post and not his.

https://i.imgur.com/68x1MQu.gif

[Parkbandit]

Yes, showing how easy it is to bypass the wall really proves that the walls work. That's same amazing logic.

So, your logic is: it takes far less time to walk across an open border than it does to dig a tunnel under a wall...

Fantastic as usual.

[Methais]

Is it the same logic you used to say that the Berlin wall didn't work at all despite all evidence to the contrary?

Border security has never been about just building a wall and then saying "There! Fixed forever!". It's a supplemental tool that increases security where there has and always will be other measures in place. If that weren't the case, walls wouldn't exist at all. If they didn't do anything, nobody would ever have reason to build them.

We don't live in the Pacific Rim universe where we're just building a giant wall and saying "Lol wut Kaiju?", because you have to be a special kind of Get It Started to believe that works.

https://i.imgur.com/o0vd1Jg.gif

[Methais]

There is 0 Asian in my DNA, so no, she is not.

You're caucasian.

Reported for pulling an Asian reverse Warren.

[Methais]

Laying on a couch for weeks on end probably cuts off circulation to the brain.

https://i.imgur.com/9K2keH1.png

[Androidpk]

So, your logic is: it takes far less time to walk across an open border than it does to dig a tunnel under a wall...

Fantastic as usual.

Your logic = even if the wall doesn't stop them it still works because it could have stopped them but it didn't.

[sellstuff1]

Seriously? Androidpk, despite his best efforts, proved that they work.

Walls take far longer to get across than nothing in the way.

I would say use your common sense... but.. yea...

So you don't have a source that shows that walls stop illegal immigration, you're just going by feelings, right? Fucking liberals ruining this country.

[Parkbandit]

So you don't have a source that shows that walls stop illegal immigration, you're just going by feelings, right? Fucking liberals ruining this country.

Hold up... could you quote me saying that "walls stop illegal immigration"? Because your strawman game is as weak as you are.

[Parkbandit]

Your logic = even if the wall doesn't stop them it still works because it could have stopped them but it didn't.

Wrong as usual (OMG EXCEPT THAT TIME YOU SAID THE DEMOCRATS WOULD WIN THE HOUSE IN 2016!!!!!! See! I applaud your wins when you get them!!)

My logic = a wall, if used in conjunction with other measures, is a decent deterrent against illegal immigration. It's an obstacle placed in a way to dissuade most people from trying to get through and it slows down people who are adamant about getting through.

[Wrathbringer]

Your logic = even if the wall doesn't stop them it still works because it could have stopped them but it didn't.

You're retarded.

[Parkbandit]

You're retarded.

https://media.giphy.com/media/26tknCqiJrBQG6bxC/giphy.gif

[sellstuff1]

Hold up... could you quote me saying that "walls stop illegal immigration"? Because your strawman game is as weak as you are.


So.. walls do work.

This simple lesson was free as part of my helping the less intelligent/fortunate/motivated.

You're welcome.

lol

[RichardCranium]

You are the poster child for abortions.

[Parkbandit]

lol

Here, simpleton.


a wall, if used in conjunction with other measures, is a decent deterrent against illegal immigration. It's an obstacle placed in a way to dissuade most people from trying to get through and it slows down people who are adamant about getting through.

This simple lesson was free as part of my helping the less intelligent/fortunate/motivated.

You're welcome.

[Androidpk]

It slows people down, holy shit! So it doesn't matter if they get past it undetected and don't get caught, as long as it slows them down in the process! You're a fucking genius PB!

[Gelston]

It slows people down, holy shit! So it doesn't matter if they get past it undetected and don't get caught, as long as it slows them down in the process! You're a fucking genius PB!

It slows them down, channelizes them, makes them easy to catch. We'll never have a firm number of how many it actually stops.

[Androidpk]

It slows them down, channelizes them, makes them easy to catch. We'll never have a firm number of how many it actually stops.

Maybe Homeland should release the unredacted report on the wall and how effective it really is.

[Wrathbringer]

Maybe Homeland should release the unredacted report on the wall and how effective it really is.

You're retarded.

[Parkbandit]

It slows people down, holy shit! So it doesn't matter if they get past it undetected and don't get caught, as long as it slows them down in the process! You're a fucking genius PB!

Again, you are wrong. Do you really need me to help you understand how a wall works?

Are you that fucking stupid and so bent over for your new Party that you forego all logic and common sense?

PS - I'm not saying you ever had logic or common sense.. you just hid it better back before 8/2017 when you had your stroke.

[Androidpk]

Again, you are wrong. Do you really need me to help you understand how a wall works?

Are you that fucking stupid and so bent over for your new Party that you forego all logic and common sense?

PS - I'm not saying you ever had logic or common sense.. you just hid it better back before 8/2017 when you had your stroke.

Maybe you can explain how the wall stopped those 400 immigrants from tunneling underneath it. Or maybe you could explain what other measures you were talking about that lead to their capture?

[Parkbandit]

Are you that fucking stupid and so bent over for your new Party that you forego all logic and common sense?


Maybe you can explain how the wall stopped those 400 immigrants from tunneling underneath it. Or maybe you could explain what other measures you were talking about that lead to their capture?

A simple yes would have been enough. Plus, think of all the time and energy you could have saved up for later!

[Gelston]

Maybe Homeland should release the unredacted report on the wall and how effective it really is.

IT is impossible to know how many people a wall stops. They walk up to it and say fuck this and turn around. I don't see how you're going to measure that.

[Androidpk]

IT is impossible to know how many people a wall stops. They walk up to it and say fuck this and turn around. I don't see how you're going to measure that.

Video surveillance.

[Gelston]

Video surveillance.

rofl, okay. They probably don't even HAVE video surveillance for most of the already built walls, and as far as I know, you can't read people's minds with it.

[Androidpk]

rofl, okay. They probably don't even HAVE video surveillance for most of the already built walls, and as far as I know, you can't read people's minds with it.

You don't need to be able to read their minds. If you see people approach the wall, then retreat..

[Gelston]

You don't need to be able to read their minds. If you see people approach the wall, then retreat..

Most of the walls are like in cities. How do you know the guy was approaching the wall with intent to climb it, or if he was going to go visit his buddy Carlos who lives next to it? Plus you want dudes to pour through thousands and thousands of hours of tape to see who might have approached a wall and decided not?

[Methais]

My logic = if I scrub posts of me being a piece of shit that have already been seen and quoted then people will believe I never said those things!

Quoted for accuracy.

[Astray]

Quoted for accuracy.

Careful bro, he'll have words for you again.

[Methais]

It slows people down, holy shit! So it doesn't matter if they get past it undetected and don't get caught, as long as it slows them down in the process! You're a fucking genius PB!

Look how stupid you are.

Does a locked door deter someone breaking in or at worst delay their entry and giving you time to react if you’re alerted to someone trying to get in? Unless you’re TheE anyway, in which case you just tell them that crime is bad and then leave if they disagree.

[Methais]

Careful bro, he'll have words for you again.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xR1nUJm9Uee3u/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Look how stupid you are.

Does a locked door deter someone breaking in or at worst delay their entry and giving you time to react if you’re alerted to someone trying to get in? Unless you’re TheE anyway, in which case you just tell them that crime is bad and then leave if they disagree.

Lulz, I remember that shit, he seemed so serious about it too.

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51114366_2282154475156109_7492911193397395456_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=0120e5cafe4060db26faecab73cd21ad&oe=5CF31953