Jazmine Barnes murder

[Tgo01]

What the hell happened here? A little black girl is shot and killed while riding in a car with her mom and the mother says the shooter was white and remembers looking into his blue eyes. Everyone loses their shit (rightfully so I might add), but quickly turns this into a race argument (wrongfully so I might add.) Of course the shooter is a racist white terrorist and we have to find him! Texas is filled with racist white terrorists!

Except...oops! Turns out it was two black men who are responsible for the shooting. I really hate to think the mother lied about the description for whatever reasons, but can anyone else give me a legitimate reason for why she said she looked into the murderer's blue eyes and described him as a white man when it was really two black men in a car? This isn't mistaking a light skinned Hispanic man for a white man, this is mistaking a blue eyed white man with a brown eyed black man.

Supposedly one excuse the mother's lawyer gave (the lawyer who says he was brought into the case because of the racist aspects of the case) was she saw a white man running away from the scene and assumed he was the shooter. So you mistake two black men in a car shooting at your car with a white man running away from the scene? How does that even begin to make sense?

What gets me is 4 different family members all corroborated with the white man sketch. And it's not like at some point one of them said "You know thinking back on it I think we're wrong, it was a black man." Instead the police received a tip stating the ones responsible are black. The driver has already been caught and arrested, he confessed and told police the gun was at his house and gave permission to search his house. The police found the gun and said it matched the casings from the bullets at the scene of the murder.

So how did this tip come about? The police are looking for a white man but this tip says it was 2 black men and the tip turned out to be right. Apparently there was a 150k reward leading to the arrest of the murderers and I'd be willing to bet this person knew who the actual murderers were and were probably not going to say shit until they saw the possibility of the 150k reward, suddenly they know who did it.

I really wonder how little media attention this would have received, and if the killers would ever have been found, if the mother said the shooters were black from the beginning. So fucked up and sad that this story only made national news because of the racist aspect the media wanted to push.

[Gelston]

The killers would have been found, there just would have been no media coverage. I mean, the police figured out who it was despite the drawing and description.

[Tgo01]

The killers would have been found, there just would have been no media coverage. I mean, the police figured out who it was despite the drawing and description.

The police only found the murderers because of the tip. The police even said they were hesitant to follow up on the tip because the descriptions from the tip was nothing even close to the description the family gave.

[Tgo01]

Also my bad, I thought I read that the mother gave the description about a white man with blue eyes but it turns out the mother says she didn't see anything. It was the 15 year old daughter who said it was a white man with blue eyes.

[Ardwen]

If you read the whole story, the white guy in the truck story came about because people turned after they heard the shots and the next vehicle driving away at highway speeds was the red truck, not just the people in the car saw that. The truck was basically the next vehicle that drove past. At 70 or so miles per hour also fleeing from gunshots that driver heard. Excellent police work, and good tips, solved what could have been an exceptionally hard case I think.

[Tgo01]

If you read the whole story, the white guy in the truck story came about because people turned after they heard the shots and the next vehicle driving away at highway speeds was the red truck, not just the people in the car saw that. The truck was basically the next vehicle that drove past. At 70 or so miles per hour also fleeing from gunshots that driver heard. Excellent police work, and good tips, solved what could have been an exceptionally hard case I think.

I read the whole story and it still doesn't make sense. The daughter said she looked into the shooter's eyes and noticed he had blue eyes and was white. How did she get that from a truck that was speeding away after the shooting had happened?

I also find it very suspicious that one alleged witness followed the truck yet apparently couldn't grab a license plate number or didn't follow the person until it stopped or anything of that sort?

None of this makes sense.

[Ardwen]

Drive onto the interstate, turn your head as a car speeds by and get any details you can as they speed off. Well sit in the back seat, seems safer, I'll wait til the police release all their info before I draw conclusions, remember they are the ones that released the sketch not the kids in the car.

[Tgo01]

I'll wait til the police release all their info before I draw conclusions, remember they are the ones that released the sketch not the kids in the car.

The sketch was based on the family's description.

Also the more I look into this the more none of it makes sense. First of all I can't find where I read that one witness claimed to have followed the car, in fact I can't find much information at all about the witnesses offering their account of what happened. Instead all of the information seems to come from the family. Maybe my Googlefu just sucks.

Second of all I was right in my original post that the mother DID claim to see the description of the man, but in one video I saw she said she didn't see much of anything and that her daughter saw what happened. But yet the mother apparently said this at one point: “The look in his eyes — he wasn’t normal,” Washington said, according to CBS News."

So not only did she see who did this but she could tell from looking at his eyes that he wasn't normal.

Also what they said happened was the truck was behind them, then changed lanes to pull up beside them on the driver's side, opened fire, then got in front of them and kept firing. Sure sounds like they were positive where the bullets were coming from, even examining this guy well enough that him being on their car's driver's side, meaning he was further away from them, that they could see he had blue eyes and that something was wrong him.

The excuses from the sheriff make even less sense. One explanation for them giving a completely wrong description is that the red truck was the last vehicle they saw so they just assumed that was the shooter.

He also says it was dark so that may be a contributing factor. What?

Also originally the shooter was described as a white man in his 40's with a beard, but that was apparently from the witnesses and not from anyone in the car, then when the daughter and mother gave their description of a white man in his 30's looking pale and sickly and with no beard suddenly everyone agreed that was the right description.

The more I read about this the less everything makes sense.

Everyone sounded so sure it was the red truck with a white man who opened fire, but now the excuse for this is everyone just thought that was the vehicle because reasons. I could buy this argument if these were the only two cars there and the shooting came from a pedestrian so people assumed the only other car that is speeding away was where the gunfire came from. But there had to have been at least one other vehicle there, the vehicle where the gunfire really did come from. So did no one bother to describe other cars or people they saw? Bother to say something like "All I saw was the red truck, but I can't say for sure if that's the vehicle that opened fire"? How do we go from the mother, daughter, and several other witnesses all saying it was a white man in a red truck to "Well apparently everyone just thought that was the car for reasons"? Someone besides Praetor explain this to me.

[Archigeek]

The sketch was based on the family's description.

Also the more I look into this the more none of it makes sense. First of all I can't find where I read that one witness claimed to have followed the car, in fact I can't find much information at all about the witnesses offering their account of what happened. Instead all of the information seems to come from the family. Maybe my Googlefu just sucks.

Second of all I was right in my original post that the mother DID claim to see the description of the man, but in one video I saw she said she didn't see much of anything and that her daughter saw what happened. But yet the mother apparently said this at one point: “The look in his eyes — he wasn’t normal,” Washington said, according to CBS News."

So not only did she see who did this but she could tell from looking at his eyes that he wasn't normal.

Also what they said happened was the truck was behind them, then changed lanes to pull up beside them on the driver's side, opened fire, then got in front of them and kept firing. Sure sounds like they were positive where the bullets were coming from, even examining this guy well enough that him being on their car's driver's side, meaning he was further away from them, that they could see he had blue eyes and that something was wrong him.

The excuses from the sheriff make even less sense. One explanation for them giving a completely wrong description is that the red truck was the last vehicle they saw so they just assumed that was the shooter.

He also says it was dark so that may be a contributing factor. What?

Also originally the shooter was described as a white man in his 40's with a beard, but that was apparently from the witnesses and not from anyone in the car, then when the daughter and mother gave their description of a white man in his 30's looking pale and sickly and with no beard suddenly everyone agreed that was the right description.

The more I read about this the less everything makes sense.

Everyone sounded so sure it was the red truck with a white man who opened fire, but now the excuse for this is everyone just thought that was the vehicle because reasons. I could buy this argument if these were the only two cars there and the shooting came from a pedestrian so people assumed the only other car that is speeding away was where the gunfire came from. But there had to have been at least one other vehicle there, the vehicle where the gunfire really did come from. So did no one bother to describe other cars or people they saw? Bother to say something like "All I saw was the red truck, but I can't say for sure if that's the vehicle that opened fire"? How do we go from the mother, daughter, and several other witnesses all saying it was a white man in a red truck to "Well apparently everyone just thought that was the car for reasons"? Someone besides Praetor explain this to me.

You sound like Nancy Grace.

[Taernath]

If you read the whole story, the white guy in the truck story came about because people turned after they heard the shots and the next vehicle driving away at highway speeds was the red truck, not just the people in the car saw that. The truck was basically the next vehicle that drove past. At 70 or so miles per hour also fleeing from gunshots that driver heard. Excellent police work, and good tips, solved what could have been an exceptionally hard case I think.

This. Doesn't sound like there was a racial motive, just mistaken victims/witnesses.

[Tgo01]

You sound like Nancy Grace.

I'll have to check in with my experts to see what they have to say about that.

[Androidpk]

You sound like Nancy Grace.

The offspring of Nancy Grace and Tucker Carlson :lol:

[Tgo01]

The offspring of Nancy Grace and Tucker Carlson :lol:

Burn? Hope you didn't fry too many brain cells thinking up that zinger.

[RichardCranium]

Personally I would have gone with Alex Jones.

[Ardwen]

He is the love child of Alex Jones and Sean Hannity, using the Jeanine Pirro Surrogacy Service.

[Tgo01]

With no one having any answers for me I'll take that to mean I won this round.

I never get tired of being right all of the time.

[RichardCranium]

Between MSM and social media, this is just the world we live in now.

[Tgo01]

Between MSM and social media, this is just the world we live in now.

True that. I also found where I read that one of the witnesses claimed they followed the red truck after the shooting, it came from the dipshit Shaun King. Honestly Shaun King has produced so much false and misleading information about this whole story it's kind of disgusting. He also claimed no one in the family saw the shooter yet I saw a video where the daughter herself says she saw the shooter and it was a white man with blue eyes.

[Gelston]

Amazing that the reporting of the story is a bigger story than the actual story.

[Tgo01]

Amazing that the reporting of the story is a bigger story than the actual story.

The story just gets weirder and weirder. Usually there is a simple explanation in these types of stories; gang shooting that hit an innocent bystander, crazy stalker, something of that nature.

The story just got even weirder. The driver of the car who did the shooting is now claiming on Saturday they got into an argument with someone at a club and the next day the car they shot looked similar to the car of the person they got into an argument with and that's why they shot it. Like really? They don't pull up to see who's driving the car or who is in it, they don't make sure 100% it's the same car. They just see a similar looking car and open fire because they got into an argument the day before?

The suspected shooter has apparently plead the 5th and refused to talk at all. Speaking of refusing to speak to the police, WHY IS THE DRIVER TELLING THE POLICE EVERYTHING? He told them he was the driver, he told them the name of the shooter, he told them the gun was at his house, he actually gave them written permission to search his house for the gun, he told them the motive. Only possibilities I can come up with is he's incredibly stupid, he thinks for some reason he'll get a lighter sentence if he confesses everything, or the guilt is getting to him.

[Gelston]

I think the truth is, the guy thought the car was someone else, they fired. A mistaken identity was made on the perp, and then the media went retarded. Nothing weird, just the media being sensationalist again.

[Tgo01]

I think the truth is, the guy thought the car was someone else, they fired. A mistaken identity was made on the perp, and then the media went retarded. Nothing weird, just the media being sensationalist again.

Why is the guy spilling the beans faster than the news can craft their media? That's weird. Give me something to hang my hat on.

[Gelston]

Why is the guy spilling the beans faster than the news can craft their media? That's weird. Give me something to hang my hat on.

Because he feels bad that he shot a 7 year old girl? Because the police are good at their job?

[Jeril]

If I didn't know any better I'd say Tgo was losing his mind over this.

[Tgo01]

If I didn't know any better I'd say Tgo was losing his mind over this.

I am! It's such a strange and odd case. All we need now is for the shooter to start talking and give an entirely different motive than what the driver gave. Or maybe it will turn out that there was indeed a sickly looking white man with blue eyes in the back of the car that the two black dudes are protecting for some reason.

[Gelston]

I am! It's such a strange and odd case. All we need now is for the shooter to start talking and give an entirely different motive than what the driver gave. Or maybe it will turn out that there was indeed a sickly looking white man with blue eyes in the back of the car that the two black dudes are protecting for some reason.

Nothing is strange or odd. The Media made it strange or odd. IT was a mistaken identity. Mistaken identity happens ALL OF THE TIME, especially in highly tense/stressful situations like this.

[Jeril]

I am! It's such a strange and odd case. All we need now is for the shooter to start talking and give an entirely different motive than what the driver gave. Or maybe it will turn out that there was indeed a sickly looking white man with blue eyes in the back of the car that the two black dudes are protecting for some reason.

Lies, you can't lose what you don't have.

[Methais]

True that. I also found where I read that one of the witnesses claimed they followed the red truck after the shooting, it came from the dipshit Shaun King. Honestly Shaun King has produced so much false and misleading information about this whole story it's kind of disgusting. He also claimed no one in the family saw the shooter yet I saw a video where the daughter herself says she saw the shooter and it was a white man with blue eyes.

Shaun King is internet stage 4 cancer.

[Methais]

The story just gets weirder and weirder. Usually there is a simple explanation in these types of stories; gang shooting that hit an innocent bystander, crazy stalker, something of that nature.

The story just got even weirder. The driver of the car who did the shooting is now claiming on Saturday they got into an argument with someone at a club and the next day the car they shot looked similar to the car of the person they got into an argument with and that's why they shot it. Like really? They don't pull up to see who's driving the car or who is in it, they don't make sure 100% it's the same car. They just see a similar looking car and open fire because they got into an argument the day before?

The suspected shooter has apparently plead the 5th and refused to talk at all. Speaking of refusing to speak to the police, WHY IS THE DRIVER TELLING THE POLICE EVERYTHING? He told them he was the driver, he told them the name of the shooter, he told them the gun was at his house, he actually gave them written permission to search his house for the gun, he told them the motive. Only possibilities I can come up with is he's incredibly stupid, he thinks for some reason he'll get a lighter sentence if he confesses everything, or the guilt is getting to him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iWqn89nvJs

[Taernath]

It's such a strange and odd case.

It really isn't.

[Ardwen]

Because he wasn't alone in the car and the other dude is talking to save his hide.

[Tgo01]

It really isn't.

It is.

Witnesses said it was a white man in his 40's with a beard.
Mother and daughter said it was a white man in his 30's with no beard.
All of them fingered the red truck without suggesting the possibility it was the other car at the scene.
In one interview the mother says she looked into the shooters eyes and knew something was wrong with him, in a different interview she says she didn't see anything and her daughter saw it.
An anonymous tip comes in and says the shooters were two black dudes and not a white guy, this surprises everyone, even the family.
Driver tells police literally everything, including stating he has the gun in his apartment and gives the police written permission to search his apartment for the gun. Driver's stated motive is they saw a car that looked similar to the car of someone they got into an argument with the day before so they shot it without ever looking to see who was in the car and he didn't even realize it was the wrong car until he saw the news of the shooting the next day.

This is anything but a normal and standard drive by shooting case.


Because he wasn't alone in the car and the other dude is talking to save his hide.

But he's not. The guy would need some sort of agreement or plea deal with the prosecutors to save his hide, from what I understand no such deal is in place meaning this guy will most likely go to jail for a very long time, possibly life.

[Gelston]

It is.

Witnesses said it was a white man in his 40's with a beard.
Mother and daughter said it was a white man in his 30's with no beard.
All of them fingered the red truck without suggesting the possibility it was the other car at the scene.
In one interview the mother says she looked into the shooters eyes and knew something was wrong with him, in a different interview she says she didn't see anything and her daughter saw it.
An anonymous tip comes in and says the shooters were two black dudes and not a white guy, this surprises everyone, even the family.
Driver tells police literally everything. Driver's stated motive is they saw a car that looked similar the car of someone they got into an argument with the day before so they shot it without ever looking to see who was in the car and he didn't even realize it was the wrong car until he saw the news of the shooting the next day.

This is anything but a normal and standard drive by shooting case.

No, it is a standard case of mistaken identity. One person was firm on the red truck and the other people identified it based on suggestion. It happens all the time. That is typically why you interview people several times separately and don't let them talk to each other. The two shooter and the driver probably bragged about it to their boys and the anonymous tip was probably someone that heard them and saw it on the news. The driver is singing because he doesn't want to go down as the murderer. What is so hard for you to grasp here?

[Methais]

Because he wasn't alone in the car and the other dude is talking to save his hide.

Confirmed Ardwen is the shooter.

[Ardwen]

Even without a deal, the non shooter talking will frequently get them a more lenient sentence. Plus do these two seem like the brightest people out there?

[Taernath]

It is.

Witnesses said it was a white man in his 40's with a beard.
Mother and daughter said it was a white man in his 30's with no beard.
All of them fingered the red truck without suggesting the possibility it was the other car at the scene.
In one interview the mother says she looked into the shooters eyes and knew something was wrong with him, in a different interview she says she didn't see anything and her daughter saw it.
An anonymous tip comes in and says the shooters were two black dudes and not a white guy, this surprises everyone, even the family.
Driver tells police literally everything, including stating he has the gun in his apartment and gives the police written permission to search his apartment for the gun. Driver's stated motive is they saw a car that looked similar to the car of someone they got into an argument with the day before so they shot it without ever looking to see who was in the car and he didn't even realize it was the wrong car until he saw the news of the shooting the next day.

This is anything but a normal and standard drive by shooting case.

Eyewitnesses are extremely unreliable. You could have 5 people watch the same event and have 5 different statements, then get different ones later if you ask again when everyone's had time to calm down and process or forget stuff.

The driver is apparently rolling over on the shooter. They are both really, really dumb. Nothing surprising there.

[Tgo01]

The driver is singing because he doesn't want to go down as the murderer.

In Texas an accessory to murder can also be charged with murder, the penalty of which includes the possibility of the death penalty. The driver has already been charged with this crime.

Also I could understand the theory that the witnesses all jumped on the red truck bandwagon because it's what other people were saying, but that doesn't explain how they all could identify the driver when it was dark out. Why were they all checking out what they thought at the time was some random person, it's doubtful they got a good look at him as he was apparently speeding away as soon as he heard the gunshots.


Even without a deal, the non shooter talking will frequently get them a more lenient sentence.

He's already been charged with capital murder, the most severe crime he can be charged with in Texas.

[Astray]

Eyewitnesses are extremely unreliable. You could have 5 people watch the same event and have 5 different statements, then get different ones later if you ask again when everyone's had time to calm down and process or forget stuff.

Or you get nothing.

[Taernath]

Or you get nothing.

Snitches get stitches.

[Gelston]

In Texas an accessory to murder can also be charged with murder, the penalty of which includes the possibility of the death penalty. The driver has already been charged with this crime.

Also I could understand the theory that the witnesses all jumped on the red truck bandwagon because it's what other people were saying, but that doesn't explain how they all could identify the driver when it was dark out. Why were they all checking out what they thought at the time was some random person, it's doubtful they got a good look at him as he was apparently speeding away as soon as he heard the gunshots.
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Which can be lowered or his plea reduced at a later time, based on how good his testimony is. The initial charge can be changed any time prior to court, this is just what they are holding him on now so he can't get bail.

Again, nothing here is out of the ordinary. The press were just being retarded. Stop being a retard.

[RichardCranium]

The police and media aren't doing the driver any favors with the information they're putting out. They're already both super fucked if they get anywhere near general population as it is.

[Methais]

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[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/AhTtfZP.png

Yup. The media quickly went from "Racist white Trump supporter shoots 7 year old black girl" to "Man arrested for shooting."

[Seran]

Had it have originally been claimed by the family that two black men did the killings, it wouldn't have been a story. It was sensationalized for the sheer reason the media believed it was another example of a white man killing someone of another race. It's an unfortunate truth.