It begins.

[ClydeR]

Welcome to 2020.


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[Wrathbringer]

Welcome to 2020.


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As a semi-functional retard, she has no chance. Hope she runs though, should be entertaining.

[audioserf]

Ah yes, noted political genius whose response to being trolled by Trump is to: take a DNA test and say, "There! Told you so!" Miss me with all this Warren shit. I'm a liberal who won't vote for her. Pull it the fuck together, D's.

(I do not have any faith that the Democratic party can or will put forth a candidate capable of beating Trump).

[Gelston]

It is going to be Biden

[audioserf]

GOP likely has a dozen women ready to come forward with the time ol' Diamond Joe got too handsy with them. He has quite a reputaiton. He's fucked. Biden is the Obama Nostalgia candidate a lot of Dems really want to think can win, and I have to imagine he's gonna get MeToo'd into the fucking shadow realm the second he announces.

[Stumplicker]

GOP likely has a dozen women ready to come forward with the time ol' Diamond Joe got too handsy with them. He has quite a reputaiton. He's fucked. Biden is the Obama Nostalgia candidate a lot of Dems really want to think can win, and I have to imagine he's gonna get MeToo'd into the fucking shadow realm the second he announces.

Fun fact - The sitting US President is on tape stating that women just let him grab them by the pussy. I would not discount anyone from running on #metoo's account. Nonetheless, you're right in that Biden's a bad choice for a large number of reasons and you're right that he probably has no shot. My main reason though would be that it would even further entrench Trump's core voter base in that largely the Pro-Trump team was the same show-us-your-birth-certificate-you-kenyan team. Running someone connected directly to Obama doesn't really leave any wiggle room for swing votes from Trump's core base.

Edit to add: I do think that if Bernie Sanders runs again, he has a far more legitimate shot this time. A lot of people turned on Hillary throughout the 2016 election and expressed regret that they didn't go with him in the first place.

[audioserf]

Fun fact - The sitting US President is on tape stating that women just let him grab them by the pussy. I would not discount anyone from running on #metoo's account. Nonetheless, you're right in that Biden's a bad choice for a large number of reasons and you're right that he probably has no shot. My main reason though would be that it would even further entrench Trump's core voter base in that largely the Pro-Trump team was the same show-us-your-birth-certificate-you-kenyan team. Running someone connected directly to Obama doesn't really leave any wiggle room for swing votes from Trump's core base.

Edit to add: I do think that if Bernie Sanders runs again, he has a far more legitimate shot this time. A lot of people turned on Hillary throughout the 2016 election and expressed regret that they didn't go with him in the first place.

Re: the pussy tape. It's Trump so nothing matters. If Biden had a tape where he said that kind of shit, Fox News/Alex Jones/etc would run it so long and so hard that the Dems would (in their typical fashion) instantly cave and disown Biden, lol. It's just how they do.

I think the Dems are going to rig things against Bernie again. They don't want an actual progressive to run because it fucks their decades of shitty Clinton wing Neolib bullshit. They don't want a progressive who will actually take on banks and try to improve the average American's life, they want a Republican Lite like Hillary was. She won't run again so they'll settle for Beto. Bernie actually spoke to people who are being fucked by the way things are. Trump did that, too, and he won. I think Bernie had a great chance in 2016 if he had gotten the nom. I think they fucked him then and I think they'll fuck him now, and now he's also old as shit.

[Gelston]

Bernie would have to switch his party back to Democrat again.

[Avaia]

One thing is for sure. The Big Money Establishment hates her. They already hounded Obama into not letting her be the first Chair of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a group she helped form and should have been the first Chair of. Hell, even establishment Democrats are likely scared of her.

Actually, another thing is for sure. She is going to be the target of a metric ton of dismissive, condescending hate in the next few years. They will attack and attack and attack her personally, yet rarely debate the positions she espouses.

Warren/Sanders 2020?

[audioserf]

I don't see Sanders agreeing to be anyone's VP.

[Wrathbringer]

One thing is for sure. The Big Money Establishment hates her. They already hounded Obama into not letting her be the first Chair of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a group she helped form and should have been the first Chair of. Hell, even establishment Democrats are likely scared of her.

Actually, another thing is for sure. She is going to be the target of a metric ton of dismissive, condescending hate in the next few years. They will attack and attack and attack her personally, yet rarely debate the positions she espouses.

Warren/Sanders 2020?

All of that is because she is retarded.

[Methais]

Fun fact - The sitting US President is on tape stating that women just let him grab them by the pussy. I would not discount anyone from running on #metoo's account. Nonetheless, you're right in that Biden's a bad choice for a large number of reasons and you're right that he probably has no shot. My main reason though would be that it would even further entrench Trump's core voter base in that largely the Pro-Trump team was the same show-us-your-birth-certificate-you-kenyan team. Running someone connected directly to Obama doesn't really leave any wiggle room for swing votes from Trump's core base.

Edit to add: I do think that if Bernie Sanders runs again, he has a far more legitimate shot this time. A lot of people turned on Hillary throughout the 2016 election and expressed regret that they didn't go with him in the first place.

Is there audio of him saying he grabs little girls by the pussy though? Because there are tons of videos of Joe fondling little girls. There's probably already at least one posted in this thread.


One thing is for sure. The Big Money Establishment hates her. They already hounded Obama into not letting her be the first Chair of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a group she helped form and should have been the first Chair of. Hell, even establishment Democrats are likely scared of her.

Actually, another thing is for sure. She is going to be the target of a metric ton of dismissive, condescending hate in the next few years. They will attack and attack and attack her personally, yet rarely debate the positions she espouses.

Warren/Sanders 2020?

Well she is quite a piece of shit and has been proven to exploit minorities by pretending she is one, so...yeah.

[time4fun]

It is going to be Biden

I'm not sure that's the direction the primary voter base is going to go in. He's leading in some polls right now, but that's because he has the most name recognition.

I think if the party decides to go back to running straight white guys, it's more likely to pick up Sanders or O'Rourke. Though there is a lot of daylight between now and primary season, so we'll see.

[time4fun]

I don't see Sanders agreeing to be anyone's VP.

Dear god no.

And I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I love Sanders, but he's the world's biggest curmudgeon.

[Gelston]

I'm not sure that's the direction the primary voter base is going to go in. He's leading in some polls right now, but that's because he has the most name recognition.

I think if the party decides to go back to running straight white guys, it's more likely to pick up Sanders or O'Rourke. Though there is a lot of daylight between now and primary season, so we'll see.

Biden would be the smartest choice. You'd get right leaning people to vote for him way before they'd ever vote for Warren.

[Methais]

Biden would be the smartest choice. You'd get right leaning people to vote for him way before they'd ever vote for Warren.

We'd also get to see either what a fraud the whole #MeToo movement is when they ignore all Biden's creepy fondling, or we'll get to watch them devour each other.

[time4fun]

Biden would be the smartest choice. You'd get right leaning people to vote for him way before they'd ever vote for Warren.

Warren isn't particularly electable right now, and I doubt she'll get very far in the nomination process.

Having said all of that- a year of open hearings by the Democratic House, and the definition of "electable" is likely to get VERY broad.

[audioserf]

I don't see Warren washing the DNA test stink off of her. She tried to rep a minority group without having lived their experience, got called out on it, later got trolled by Trump about it, and her solution was, "I know! I'll post a DNA test showing I have this microscopic amount of Native blood, SURELY Trump will have to shut up when confronted with the facts!" I don't know how you elect a person with that little feel for strategy or how to respond to a bully. Like didn't anyone who works for her or anyone close to her take the time to go, "uhhhh, how about we DON'T do that and instead just move on and try to develop a platform worth running for in the primary?" Nope, DNA test, lol.

[Avaia]

Dear god no.

And I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I love Sanders, but he's the world's biggest curmudgeon.

Maybe so. Long time away yet, who knows.

Here's one that would get the heads of Stodgy Old White Dudes across the country spinning like they were trying to remake The Exorcist -

Warren/Ocasio-Cortez 2020.

*shrug*

What we do NOT need is another "nice guy" like Obama who will just fold and compromise everything away when a little pressure is applied.

[Gelston]

Maybe so. Long time away yet, who knows.

Here's one that would get the heads of Stodgy Old White Dudes across the country spinning like they were trying to remake The Exorcist -

Warren/Ocasio-Cortez 2020.

*shrug*

What we do NOT need is another "nice guy" like Obama who will just fold and compromise everything away when a little pressure is applied.

That would never work and it'd be a sure win for Trump. You can't alienate the center, they are the ones who decide elections. It doesn't matter what New York or California wants, those electoral votes are written off, it matters what Florida, Ohio, etc want.

[Avaia]

That would never work and it'd be a sure win for Trump. You can't alienate the center, they are the ones who decide elections. It doesn't matter what New York or California wants, those electoral votes are written off, it matters what Florida, Ohio, etc want.

I'm not certain that is true, any longer. Indiana, (that hotbed of Liberal voting!)surprisingly enough, has a majority in favor of Medicare for All. What people across the entire country want, more and more, is for politicians to care about THEM, not just about lining bank accounts.

[Gelston]

I'm not certain that is true, any longer. Indiana, (that hotbed of Liberal voting!)surprisingly enough, has a majority in favor of Medicare for All. What people across the entire country want, more and more, is for politicians to care about THEM, not just about lining bank accounts.

Most voters aren't single issue voters and Indiana was still for Trump by over 500k votes. Ocasio only won her election because of where she ran. She would get trashed on any ticket nation wide. Warren is a weak candidate as well. Tim Kaine could probably make a come back. Hell, I think Pelosi could have a shot. Even Duckworth. Warren and Ocasio though? Nah. Not a snowflakes chance in hell.

[Astray]

I don't see Sanders agreeing to be anyone's VP.

I hope he stays in obscurity.

[Gelston]

I hope he stays in obscurity.

Dude is going to be 79 during the next election. I always kinda thought it was funny, the same people that are all against old white guys are just fine with voting for an old white guy.

And supposedly there are some allegations that some of his staffers were involved with sexual misconduct/assault from last time.

[Astray]

Dude is going to be 79 during the next election. I always kinda thought it was funny, the same people that are all against old white guys are just fine with voting for an old white guy.

And supposedly there are some allegations that some of his staffers were involved with sexual misconduct/assault from last time.

Everyone loves the word 'free' and he knows just what issues to push but the moment you'd start asking him how he'd make 'it' free, boom. Fucking senile.

Wasn't his wife also embezzling or committing some form of fraud?

[Parkbandit]

Everyone loves the word 'free' and he knows just what issues to push but the moment you'd start asking him how he'd make 'it' free, boom. Fucking senile.

Wasn't his wife also embezzling or committing some form of fraud?

According to time4fun.. if you aren't convicted of a crime, you didn't commit a crime. Unless you are Republican.

[Avaia]

Everyone loves the word 'free' and he knows just what issues to push but the moment you'd start asking him how he'd make 'it' free, boom. Fucking senile.

You want to talk about making shit 'free' then start talking about how many Walmart employees are subsidized by the American people through food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. because the worlds largest retailer doesn't pay its employees enough to live on.

The whole "giving people free stuff" argument is a bunch of right-wing buzzword horseshit.

[Gelston]

You want to talk about making shit 'free' then start talking about how many Walmart employees are subsidized by the American people through food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. because the worlds largest retailer doesn't pay its employees enough to live on.

The whole "giving people free stuff" argument is a bunch of right-wing buzzword horseshit.

Wut. Starting salary is low but it increases. WalMart even offers free College educations to all its employees.

[Fortybox]

You want to talk about making shit 'free' then start talking about how many Walmart employees are subsidized by the American people through food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. because the worlds largest retailer doesn't pay its employees enough to live on.

The whole "giving people free stuff" argument is a bunch of right-wing buzzword horseshit.

Don't like the pay? Don't work there.

[Astray]

You want to talk about making shit 'free' then start talking about how many Walmart employees are subsidized by the American people through food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. because the worlds largest retailer doesn't pay its employees enough to live on.

Uh... Walmart is currently complying with the tax reform and minimum wage laws. If you want higher wages to get off food stamps, medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. Don't fucking rely on a starting position in Walmart to pay your bills. Do a different job. Be a field worker. The field workers out here get paid 15 an hour. I know people in call centers that make 17.50 an hour and it's a fucking idiot position.

Walmart Greeter is not a career. Don't expect to have benefits and making 30 an hour because you sit on a stool saying 'hello' to people.


The whole "giving people free stuff" argument is a bunch of right-wing buzzword horseshit.

So... Socialist politicians don't push for 'free' college, healthcare, and whatever else appeals to people that like the idea of not paying for college? Y'know, without elaboration on how they are going to 'make it free'.

[time4fun]

That would never work and it'd be a sure win for Trump. You can't alienate the center, they are the ones who decide elections. It doesn't matter what New York or California wants, those electoral votes are written off, it matters what Florida, Ohio, etc want.

So I 100% agree with you that a Warren/Ocasio-Cortez ticket is pretty damn unviable. But in terms of a win for Trump- I think we're underestimating the impact of Mueller's final report. There is a very real possibility that Trump won't actually finish out his term.

[Astray]

I actually disagree here. The way that Walmart is playing it is they are paying their workers below subsistence level wages and I'm covering the rest through food stamps, medicaid, welfare shit etc. Walmart is doing this consciously, I'm sure their Corporate has this planned out to a tee.

They do shady shit, definitely, but it's within the boundaries of the law.

[SonoftheNorth]

You want to talk about making shit 'free' then start talking about how many Walmart employees are subsidized by the American people through food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. because the worlds largest retailer doesn't pay its employees enough to live on.

The whole "giving people free stuff" argument is a bunch of right-wing buzzword horseshit.



Every job isn't a career.

[Gelston]

So I 100% agree with you that a Warren/Ocasio-Cortez ticket is pretty damn unviable. But in terms of a win for Trump- I think we're underestimating the impact of Mueller's final report. There is a very real possibility that Trump won't actually finish out his term.

I think you are overestimating the impact it will have. Trump will never be convicted by a Republican Senate.

[Parkbandit]

You want to talk about making shit 'free' then start talking about how many Walmart employees are subsidized by the American people through food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. because the worlds largest retailer doesn't pay its employees enough to live on.

The whole "giving people free stuff" argument is a bunch of right-wing buzzword horseshit.

Average wage for a full time Walmart member is $13.38.

So this is just another subject you don't know shit about... other than what you heard on MSNBC.

[time4fun]

I think you are overestimating the impact it will have. Trump will never be convicted by a Republican Senate.

They would just force him to resign if it were serious enough. But, again, we're about to be inundated with footage from endless open hearings about everything from his self-dealing foundation to his businesses to his contacts with Russia. Republicans in Congress have been running interference for Trump the last two years- which has helped them control the narrative. They're about to lose that control, and Trump's support is actually pretty soft.

There's a good 16-19% of the electorate who only somewhat support him. Meanwhile there's only about a 5-8% of the electorate who only somewhat dislike him (compared to about 45% who strongly dislike him). Congressional Republicans have already started cautiously backing off of their outright support of Trump for a reason. He's in an extremely precarious position right now.

[Gelston]

They would just force him to resign if it were serious enough. But, again, we're about to be inundated with footage from endless open hearings about everything from his self-dealing foundation to his businesses to his contacts with Russia. Republicans in Congress have been running interference for Trump the last two years- which has helped them control the narrative. They're about to lose that control, and Trump's support is actually pretty soft.

There's a good 16-19% of the electorate who only somewhat support him. Meanwhile there's only about a 5-8% of the electorate who only somewhat dislike him (compared to about 45% who strongly dislike him). Congressional Republicans have already started cautiously backing off of their outright support of Trump for a reason. He's in an extremely precarious position right now.

I mean, my state's rep and senators aren't backing off on supporting him, but okay. If that is the narrative you see.

[Avaia]

Average wage for a full time Walmart member is $13.38.

So this is just another subject you don't know shit about... other than what you heard on MSNBC.

Go fuck yourself.

Tell you what. You go get a job making $13.38 an hour and see how long you last. I'd bet it wouldn't be six months.

Just another subject in the real world you don't know shit about. Except what you hear on FOX and read on Breitbart or whatever other dumbass propaganda you pay attention to. Sorry ass motherfucker.

[SonoftheNorth]

Go fuck yourself.

Tell you what. You go get a job making $13.38 an hour and see how long you last. I'd bet it wouldn't be six months.

Just another subject in the real world you don't know shit about. Except what you hear on FOX and read on Breitbart or whatever other dumbass propaganda you pay attention to. Sorry ass motherfucker.

14 year old babysitters can't afford 3 bedroom houses either. I don't think walmart cashier is meant to be endgame. If you do, that sucks, get roommates.

[Gelston]

Go fuck yourself.

Tell you what. You go get a job making $13.38 an hour and see how long you last. I'd bet it wouldn't be six months.

Just another subject in the real world you don't know shit about. Except what you hear on FOX and read on Breitbart or whatever other dumbass propaganda you pay attention to. Sorry ass motherfucker.

$535 a week is very livable here.

[Methais]

Warren/Ocasio-Cortez 2020.

Yes please let this happen lololololol

Curious though...what makes you apparently think Ocasio-Cortez is VP material? Or are you just guessing on what the ticket will be?

[Gelston]

Yes please let this happen lololololol

Curious though...what makes you apparently think Ocasio-Cortez is VP material? Or are you just guessing on what the ticket will be?

To be honest, the VP doesn't really need to do much. Some VPs have taken more active roles, some sit back and do nothing. Hell, people were stuck in VP roles to shut them up in the past. It can and has been used as a promotion to obscurity. Anyone is VP material.

[Astray]

$535 a week is very livable here.

$535 is only needing one roommate in a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom down here.

[Methais]

Dude is going to be 79 during the next election. I always kinda thought it was funny, the same people that are all against old white guys are just fine with voting for an old white guy.

And supposedly there are some allegations that some of his staffers were involved with sexual misconduct/assault from last time.

Like in 2008 when the left made a huge issue out of McCain being "too old to be president" when he was 72 at the time :lol:

[Avaia]

Yes please let this happen lololololol

Curious though...what makes you apparently think Ocasio-Cortez is VP material? Or are you just guessing on what the ticket will be?

I don't, and I'm not guessing that that is what it will be. I was having a conversation.

[Methais]

You want to talk about making shit 'free' then start talking about how many Walmart employees are subsidized by the American people through food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized housing, etc. because the worlds largest retailer doesn't pay its employees enough to live on.

Who's forcing you to get no education and try and make a career out of Walmart though?

Walmart's minimum wage, at least here, is $11 an hour. They could easily pay minimum wage and still have no lack of employees.


The whole "giving people free stuff" argument is a bunch of right-wing buzzword horseshit.

You're right, it's not free stuff. It's paid for by tax payers and given to people who, with some exceptions, are generally lazy and/or useless.

We should start calling it that instead of "free stuff," no?

"It's not free, someone else paid for that with money they worked for because the government forced them to."

That sounds more accurate, doesn't it? Yes.

[Avaia]

$535 a week is very livable here.

You mean $458 a week, give or take. Taxes.

[Astray]

Who's forcing you to get no education and try and make a career out of Walmart though?

Walmart's minimum wage, at least here, is $11 an hour. They could easily pay minimum wage and still have no lack of employees.

But Methais! If people aren't taking $350K loans for an associates, how else will they move up in the world?!

[Gelston]

You mean $458 a week, give or take. Taxes.

Which is still very livable here.

[Avaia]

Who's forcing you to get no education and try and make a career out of Walmart though?

Walmart's minimum wage, at least here, is $11 an hour. They could easily pay minimum wage and still have no lack of employees.

You're right, it's not free stuff. It's paid for by tax payers and given to people who, with some exceptions, are generally lazy and/or useless.

I take it you don't know many poor people. I mean, really poor people.

It's all fine and good to sit on a message board and talk about "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" and how people who don't are "lazy and useless," but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the reality of life in America.

Read anything by Chris Hedges, Methais. Seriously. You're a smart enough dude. You might find it interesting.

[kutter]

I would have to look it up and I have not had my coffee yet, but pretty sure Cortez, as much as I would love to see her in a debate, even against say a toaster oven, cannot run because she is ineligible to be POTUS due to her age or is there an exception if you are the VP and go to President?

[Gelston]

I would have to look it up and I have not had my coffee yet, but pretty sure Cortez, as much as I would love to see her in a debate, even against say a toaster oven, cannot run because she is ineligible to be POTUS due to her age or is there an exception if you are the VP and go to President?

Nah, both require 35. I wasn't even thinking about that.

[Methais]

I don't, and I'm not guessing that that is what it will be. I was having a conversation.

Poop/Shart 2020

[kutter]

Even if she were eligible, pretty sure no one would ever pick Cortez, she is just too much of a gaff machine. Will time cure this, perhaps, or she just might be an idiot, we cannot discard that as a possibility. And seriously a debate with her and Mike Pence, come on, even I think that would be unfair. Babes to the slaughter.

[Astray]

And seriously a debate with her and Mike Pence, come on, even I think that would be unfair.

That's a war crime.

[Avaia]

Poop/Shart 2020

Seriously??? You think they would stand a chance? No one would ever vote for them!!!!!111!!

:bigsmile:

[Stumplicker]

I should mention that 99.9% of the problem jobs in retail outfits like Walmart are not full time positions, so quoting average full time wages is kind of unrelated.

Back in the early 2000s, all of the big stores stopped hiring full time employees (mostly in response to Walmart's success). At ODP I was "unofficially" instructed (or else lose my job) to make life for the full time people so bad that they would leave, so they didn't have to pay unemployment for being fired/laid off. Stunseed, if he's around, can confirm that. He held a similar position to mine at that time in the same state.

Once the full timers who were making $15-18/hourly after 15 years with the company were gone, corporate gave fewer and fewer hours to schedule to the employees. Official directives came down that nobody was allowed to work more than 31.5 hours per week for more than 5 weeks. State law required them to be given health insurance and full time status at that point. We had a bi-monthly meeting at corporate where we presented numbers. If goals weren't being met, corporate wouldn't fire employees. They would put them into a department with 3 people, one a manager, who was full time, and then give a total of 55-60 hours per week to schedule all employees in the department. The result was cashiers working 5 hours per week so they'd quit.

And sure, you might say get a second job. No dice. You could have a second job at ODP if you wanted, but you had zero say over when you were scheduled. One week you might get 5 hours, the next you might get 32. If your other job conflicted at any point, you were gone.

All the big retailers work just like that now. Have for more than a decade. ODP didn't recover after the recession, but at the point when all this was going on, the stock was skyrocketing. The company was making more and more money and paying its employees less and less.

[Gelston]

I should mention that 99.9% of the problem jobs in retail outfits like Walmart are not full time positions, so quoting average full time wages is kind of unrelated.

Back in the early 2000s, all of the big stores stopped hiring full time employees. At ODP I was "unofficially" instructed (or else lose my job) to make life for the full time people so bad that they would leave, so they didn't have to pay unemployment for being fired/laid off. Stunseed, if he's around, can confirm that. He held a similar position to mine at that time in the same state.

Once the full timers who were making $15-18/hourly after 15 years with the company were gone, corporate gave fewer and fewer hours to schedule to the employees. Official directives came down that nobody was allowed to work more than 31.5 hours per week for more than 5 weeks. State law required them to be given health insurance and full time status at that point. We had a bi-monthly meeting at corporate where we presented numbers. If goals weren't being met, corporate wouldn't fire employees. They would put them into a department with 3 people, one a manager, who was full time, and then give a total of 60 hours per week to schedule all employees in the department. The result was cashiers working 5 hours per week so they'd quit.

And sure, you might say get a second job. No dice. You could have a second job at ODP if you wanted, but you had zero say over when you were scheduled. One week you might get 5 hours, the next you might get 32. If your other job conflicted at any point, you were gone.

All the big retailers work just like that now. Have for more than a decade.

Ummm... Walmart has over 1800 full time job openings right now.

[Stumplicker]

Ummm... Walmart has over 1800 full time job openings right now.

Walmart currently employs 2.1 million people according to Google.

Edit to add: Any large company like that is going to have a lot of corporate, management, or otherwise skilled positions open (CDL drivers, Forklift operators, Warehouse foremen, etc), but those aren't the people we're talking about living on minimum wage and food stamps. At ODP, the only raise we were allowed to give non management employees was $0.16 per hour, once per year, every year you're there. No health benefits. No 401k. No full time. No second job. They also took all the incentives and commissions away from the sales staff. Prior to 2004 or so, Salesmen used to rival management for salary if they did well.

[Gelston]

Walmart currently employs 2.1 million people according to Google.

Edit to add: Any large company like that is going to have a lot of corporate, management, or otherwise skilled positions open (CDL drivers, Forklift operators, Warehouse foremen, etc), but those aren't the people we're talking about living on minimum wage and food stamps. At ODP, the only raise we were allowed to give non management employees was $0.16 per hour, once per year, every year you're there. No health benefits. No 401k. No full time. No second job. They also took all the incentives and commissions away from the sales staff. Prior to 2004 or so, Salesmen used to rival management for salary if they did well.

This is just the shit listed on Indeed. There are very likely a lot more. Going through it, a lot of them are cashier positions, including the ones who watch the automated check out machines.

[Stumplicker]

This is just the shit listed on Indeed. There are very likely a lot more. Going through it, a lot of them are cashier positions, including the ones who watch the automated check out machines.

I have no doubt that there are upper level cashiering positions at a place like walmart. There are varying tiers of positions at most retail locations. What I am saying is though that in a retail giant employing 2.1 million people, 1800 positions is not a significant slice of the pie, and neither is it the one that's being talked about living on foodstamps.

[Neveragain]

At ODP I was "unofficially" instructed (or else lose my job)

Is this not what it really comes down to?

Even though you knew what they were doing was wrong you still went along with it because you gave in to the fear?

None of this gets fixed until the people have the courage to say "fuck you".

[Gelston]

I have no doubt that there are upper level cashiering positions at a place like walmart. There are varying tiers of positions at most retail locations. What I am saying is though that in a retail giant employing 2.1 million people, 1800 positions is not a significant slice of the pie, and neither is it the one that's being talked about living on foodstamps.

Again, there are definitely way more than 1800 positions. This is just what individual stores posted to indeed. And I doubt upper level is $11 an hour.

[Stumplicker]

Is this not what it really comes down to?

Even though you knew what they were doing was wrong you still went along with it because you gave in to the fear?

None of this gets fixed until the people have the courage to say "fuck you".

I knew what they were doing was wrong and I lowered my own hours to the minimum (32) so I could to give the non management employees that 8 more hours per week, then found another job and left immediately. I was in college at that point anyway so it was never a consideration for a career for me. ODP's stock price plummeted a few years later when the recession hit and all they were left with was a few dejected, un-knowledgeable employees per store. They were an extreme example that went way too far and drowned in the deep end. My store started with 38 employees. It was a busy store. I don't remember the exact number, but more than half were full time and many had been there for 10-15 years. Upper end of the pay scale for non management was around $18 plus healthy commissions. When I left, less than a year later, there were 17, including me. I was full time, the store manager was full time, the copy center manager was full time. The other 14 were part timers and were only given exactly enough hours to keep the store staffed by at least two people from open to close. None of them made more than $9 an hour.

For reference, here's what their stock did at that point. That big spike. I was hired sometime in 2004.

https://i.imgur.com/r4CHlSD.jpg

[Stumplicker]

Again, there are definitely way more than 1800 positions. This is just what individual stores posted to indeed. And I doubt upper level is $11 an hour.

How many more than 1800 for you is a significant chunk? 100,000? 200,000? Even if Wal Mart employs 500,000 full time, that still leaves 1.6 million employees. Those are the ones we're talking about here.

[Gelston]

How many more than 1800 for you is a significant chunk? 100,000? 200,000? Even if Wal Mart employs 500,000 full time, that still leaves 1.6 million employees. Those are the ones we're talking about here.

I'm saying there is plenty of opportunity to be a full time employee at WalMart. Regardless of how many are or are not part time, they have thousands of unfilled openings for full time positions.

[Stumplicker]

I'm saying there is plenty of opportunity to be a full time employee at WalMart. Regardless of how many are or are not part time, they have thousands of unfilled openings for full time positions.

Sure, thousands sounds like a big number until you consider that you're in a pool of millions. And how many of those 1800 jobs are attainable? How many are already filled but being posted because corporate requires you to (retail outfits do that too)? How many are at your store? At a store within 100 miles of you? At your warehouse? Are you willing (or financially able) to uproot your life for I'm guessing a generous estimate of $13 an hour across the country as a Walmart cashier?

I actually looked up the number of full time positions at Walmart as a part of the whole and it's higher than I expected. Almost half according to one survey, which is down from 80% in 2005 (https://www.nhh.no/en/research-centres/food/food-news/2018/may/half-of-walmarts-workforce-are-parttime-workers/). But that still leaves more than a million people stuck in that part time rut, and according to that survey, there are a great deal fewer full time jobs than there were a little over a decade ago.

Now, I don't work at Walmart and never have, so who's to say whether or not they're as oppressive as ODP was against their workers? But in my experience...where there's smoke there's fire. Frankly, Walmart is probably not the worst of the big retail chains. They're just the biggest, so they have the target on their back. Retail is a shitty gig no matter how you slice it, but some of the companies seem to actively try to make it harder to get yourself out of there.

[Gelston]

Sure, thousands sounds like a big number until you consider that you're in a pool of millions. And how many of those 1800 jobs are attainable? How many are already filled but being posted because corporate requires you to (retail outfits do that too)? How many are at your store? At a store within 100 miles of you? At your warehouse? Are you willing (or financially able) to uproot your life for I'm guessing a generous estimate of $13 an hour across the country as a Walmart cashier?

I actually looked up the number of full time positions at Walmart as a part of the whole and it's higher than I expected. Almost half according to one survey, which is down from 80% in 2005 (https://www.nhh.no/en/research-centres/food/food-news/2018/may/half-of-walmarts-workforce-are-parttime-workers/). But that still leaves more than a million people stuck in that part time rut, and according to that survey, there are a great deal fewer full time jobs than there were a little over a decade ago.

Now, I don't work at Walmart and never have, so who's to say whether or not they're as oppressive as ODP was against their workers? But in my experience...where there's smoke there's fire. Retail is a shitty gig no matter how you slice it, but some of the companies seem to actively try to make it harder to get yourself out of there.

I mean, WalMart offers free (okay, no, they charge you $1 a day) college to everyone that works there. I don't think they are oppressing their workers. They've had a bad public image in the past, but they've been addressing that.

[Stumplicker]

I mean, WalMart offers free (okay, no, they charge you $1 a day) college to everyone that works there. I don't think they are oppressing their workers. They've had a bad public image in the past, but they've been addressing that.

I've seen a few stories where they do seem to make an effort, so if that's all true then sure, that's a great thing. My biggest sticking point has always been the part time vs full time thing. That never sat right with me - keeping employees under a certain amount of hours not because the position is only in need of part time, but because you'll have to give them health insurance and maybe even a salary. At some point even if you found an employee valuable, someone realized it was cheaper to hire two expendable employees to do half a job each than keep one good one. Fuck that.

[Gelston]

I've seen a few stories where they do seem to make an effort, so if that's all true then sure, that's a great thing. My biggest sticking point has always been the part time vs full time thing. That never sat right with me - keeping employees under a certain amount of hours not because the position is only in need of part time, but because you'll have to give them health insurance and maybe even a salary. At some point even if you found an employee valuable, someone realized it was cheaper to hire two expendable employees to do half a job each than keep one good one. Fuck that.

Nah, they are replacing that shit with robots.

[Stumplicker]

Nah, they are replacing that shit with robots.

Fuckin' robots man. We can't get ours to work right at my place of business now. We have people out from Germany once every couple months to fix the damn things. They should get all those Walmart people degrees in robotics so they can come fix our shit.

[Gelston]

Fuckin' robots man. We can't get ours to work right at my place of business now. We have people out from Germany once every couple months to fix the damn things. They should get all those Walmart people degrees in robotics so they can come fix our shit.

They always turn them off at like 11-4, you know, the time they should have them open, and then always only have 1 register open. You end up having like 20 people in line and tons of WalMart workers just fucking around all over the store not opening another lane.

[kutter]

I've seen a few stories where they do seem to make an effort, so if that's all true then sure, that's a great thing. My biggest sticking point has always been the part time vs full time thing. That never sat right with me - keeping employees under a certain amount of hours not because the position is only in need of part time, but because you'll have to give them health insurance and maybe even a salary. At some point even if you found an employee valuable, someone realized it was cheaper to hire two expendable employees to do half a job each than keep one good one. Fuck that.

You make it sound like it only happens in part time scenarios but that is not the case. For example, my father worked for what was at the time, the largest corporation in the world, he was in the highest tier of management without being considered an executive, so he did very well for himself. He had 32 years with the company and they decided that his position was being moved from Baton Rouge to Houston. Put simply he was never moving to Houston so they offered him a retirement package he could be ok with and he did that. After it was settled his boss told him quite simply they could hire 3 new college grads for what they were paying him, hence the reason for the transfer. They did move his position to Houston, but that was more a function of centralizing administrative functions and computers making that easier.

Corporations do what is in their own and their shareholders best interest. If the government says if you do x then you will have to do y, and y cost too much money, then they will find a way to not do x even if it means an iincrmental loss in productivity.

Personally I have no issue providing assistance to those people that work but struggle to make ends meet. The working poor are the biggest insult to the American dream, so lets help them, they have proven that want to better themselves, so lets do that. But, giving money to people that sit at home and watch TV and make babies, FUCK that.

[Avaia]

But, giving money to people that sit at home and watch TV and make babies, FUCK that.

I wouldn't want to see that, either. Believe it or not, nobody does(Well, ok, maybe the people who want to sit around all day and get paid to do nothing do, but there will always/have always been people like that and they are not as prevalent as some would have us believe).

It's about giving people a chance, a real chance. It's about making sure that the little guy doesn't get taken advantage of because the big guy has all the clout. As a supposedly civilized society, taking care of our citizens is a responsibility. All our citizens (and yes, those who flee their homelands in fear and come to us for help, too).

It's about - dare I say - Hope. Give people hope and you just might be surprised at what will happen, in the long run.

Right now too many people in America feel utterly hopeless as the American Dream of the Few runs roughshod all over them. As they work and work and never get more than one catastrophic event away from ruin for them and their families.

[Neveragain]

(and yes, those who flee their homelands in fear and come to us for help, too).

You can't do that by having a governing body pick the pockets of the tax payer.

[Wrathbringer]

Bingo.

One time I called into CSPAN with a guest economist and a policy advisor for some Senator. I suggested a program where the person on welfare can unlock different levels of assistance by how much he earns in work. For instance, you manage to find a job (any job) you get some minor assistance (say 50 bucks a week). Then from there milestones, you earn over 250 bucks a week, you get access to food stamps. Over 350, healthcare supplement like Obamacare, at 500 bucks a month a end of year gift of 10,000$ At this point the person is pushing $30k+ usually this is the point of no return in terms of lifestyle and recidivism back into welfare.

Anyhow, my response was “hmm” and “interesting” and “thanks caller.” so... I guess I’m a genius? heh

This is one of the most retarded things I've read in a long time. Congrats.

[Wrathbringer]

Better then just giving them money for doing nothing. With this they eventually get weaned off it.

than, not then. You're not doing yourself any favors here.

[Gelston]

than, not then. You're not doing yourself any favors here.

no one cares nerd

[Wrathbringer]

Stupid people like me don't care and I refer to educated people as nerds.

Not surprised.

[Avaia]

You can't do that by having a governing body pick the pockets of the tax payer.

Certainly true. It is a massively difficult problem to figure out/position to be in.

[~Rocktar~]

So, let's invest in the American worker at the lowest level. Build the damn wall, all of it, 20 billion, reform immigration and asylum (far too easy for BS now) and let's proceed to kick out the 11-20 million illegals in the country. Since illegal aliens and the influx of cheap, generally lower skill, labor drives down wages, drives up housing costs and increases the burden on social services let's put a good end to it.

Make it harder to get in. Make it much harder to stay. Make the fine for employers something like 50K per worker/per day that they didn't verify status using e-verify. Make it so that failing to show for an immigration appointment or court date without contacting the authority is immediate deportation and loss of immigration eligibility for 10 full years without possibility for reduction short of direct congressional or presidential action. Make knowingly aiding or concealing an illegal a felony. Let's come up with some solution for DACA that does not involve voting and citizenship for people over the age of 16. Lastly, let's make it faster and cheaper to come here legally with a genuine work visa that includes a provision that if you fuck up, you are out for 10 years minimum.

But we all know that Democrats who are "for the common man" would never go for any of this because it would be the start of a real solution and they don't want solutions, they want voting slaves, which is why they want illegals in the first place.

[Ardwen]

I have a question, if Republicans are so set against immigration and illegal workers why does it turn out that so damned many of them hire illegal immigrants?

[~Rocktar~]

I have a question, if Republicans are so set against immigration and illegal workers why does it turn out that so damned many of them hire illegal immigrants?

The same reason so many Democrats and Leftist are against sexual assault, rape and child molestation and yet seem to be the top offenders. The same reason Democrats are against the wall and yet live behind private walls and security. The same reason Leftist/Liberals yell about sexism and racism yet fight to maintain the most hideously institutionalized sexism with Title IX and and racists affirmative action.

The world is full of hypocrites and people with situational ethics. Make it expensive as hell to hire them and people won't hire them.

[Parkbandit]

Go fuck yourself.

Wait.. you made a stupid comment and it's somehow my fault for pointing out how stupid you are?

Sheesh.


Tell you what. You go get a job making $13.38 an hour and see how long you last. I'd bet it wouldn't be six months.

If you can't live the life you wish to live making $28K a year... then I would suggest you find another job. Like maybe a cashier at Walmart shouldn't be your end career goal.


Just another subject in the real world you don't know shit about. Except what you hear on FOX and read on Breitbart or whatever other dumbass propaganda you pay attention to. Sorry ass motherfucker.

Unfortunately.. it looks like it's just you that doesn't know shit about much. Hopefully, you learn to live within your minimum wage job.. given that's probably all you are worth.

Sorry ass motherfucker.

[Parkbandit]

I have a question, if Republicans are so set against immigration and illegal workers why does it turn out that so damned many of them hire illegal immigrants?

https://www.doctorramey.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Straw-Man_500.gif
Please show me these Republicans that are "so set against immigration"

[Wrathbringer]

I have a question, if Republicans are so set against immigration and illegal workers why does it turn out that so damned many of them hire illegal immigrants?

This is like asking why so damned many black people steal. Are you really this retarded?

[Methais]

As a supposedly civilized society, taking care of our citizens is a responsibility. All our citizens (and yes, those who flee their homelands in fear and come to us for help, too).

Does this include the ones who come to the border and then demand we give them each $50,000 to go back home?

[Astray]

Does this include the ones who come to the border and then demand we give them each $50,000 to go back home?

Those guys are such victims.

[Methais]

Those guys are such victims.

The victimest.

[Androidpk]

Simple. I’ve worked construction and a lot of those guys are conservative republicans (most hands on ‘build it’ professions are), they want the crew to start speaking in English, they want a wall. The ones in suits and white ‘guest’ hard hats that come by every week or so to check our progress are also Republicans... whenever it’s convenient and self-beneficial to be so.

Like I keep saying Trump doesn’t work for these guys, that’s what makes him so awesome, he’s truly trying to make ALL of America (not the elite or a small vested interest in America) great again. This is proof. If Trump was so darn in the pockets of the rich, then why fuck them over like this? Think about it.

If illegal immigration is so bad why is Trump hiring illegal immigrants at his properties and supplying them with fake green cards and social security numbers? The wall and immigration is just a dog whistle to get his debased base all riled up while he's off plundering the country.

[Wrathbringer]

If illegal immigration is so bad why is Trump hiring illegal immigrants at his properties and supplying them with fake green cards and social security numbers? The wall and immigration is just a dog whistle to get his debased base all riled up while he's off plundering the country.

Quiet, tard.

[time4fun]

Like I keep saying Trump doesn’t work for these guys, that’s what makes him so awesome, he’s truly trying to make ALL of America (not the elite or a small vested interest in America) great again.

I'm sorry- what exactly is he doing for all Americans? I"d love some concrete examples of him doing things expressly for "the little guy".

[Wrathbringer]

I'm sorry-

This is correct.

[Astray]

Quiet, tard.

A death threat!

[Parkbandit]

I'm sorry- what exactly is he doing for all Americans? I"d love some concrete examples of him doing things expressly for "the little guy".

I saved just over $5,000 in 2018 on employment taxes.

[Tgo01]

I sure hope there are dozens of people running for the Democrat nomination in 2020 because surely we will see everyone on the far left say dumb shit like "LOL! Look at this Democrat clown car" like they did when "so many" Republicans ran in 2016.

[Tgo01]

I'm sorry- what exactly is he doing for all Americans? I"d love some concrete examples of him doing things expressly for "the little guy".

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say things like tax cuts and a booming economy don't count because those don't "expressly" help the little guy right?

[~Rocktar~]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say things like tax cuts and a booming economy don't count because those don't "expressly" help the little guy right?

More like they don't fit her narrative and elitist world view.

[time4fun]

More like they don't fit her narrative and elitist world view.

As usual, you are so focused on what you're being told is going on that you're not paying attention to what is *actually* going on.

These great tax cuts for the "regular guy"? By 2025, 25% of the tax 1.5 trillion cut will go to the top 1%. 66% of the benefits go to the top 20%. Which leaves the bottom 80% of the country to fight over roughly a third of the tax cuts.

If you're genuinely stupid enough to believe that massive tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations is "looking out for the regular guy" then there is no hope for you. And, of course, what did Congressional Republicans turn around and say after putting us trillions in debt to make rich people richer? That we need to cut Social Security and Medicaid to help pay for it.

Not surprising from the same group of people who literally shut the government down in the aftermath of the Great Recession because they wanted to cut unemployment benefits to millions of people who relied on those benefits to try to stay afloat.

CEO wages went up by 17% in 2017, btw, and regular hourly wages were stagnant.

Tell me again how this is all benefiting regular people?

[Wrathbringer]

As usual, you are so focused on what you're being told is going on that you're not paying attention to what is *actually* going on.

These great tax cuts for the "regular guy"? By 2025, 25% of the tax 1.5 trillion cut will go to the top 1%. 66% of the benefits go to the top 20%. Which leaves the bottom 80% of the country to fight over roughly a third of the tax cuts.

If you're genuinely stupid enough to believe that massive tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations is "looking out for the regular guy" then there is no hope for you. And, of course, what did Congressional Republicans turn around and say after putting us trillions in debt to make rich people richer? That we need to cut Social Security and Medicaid to help pay for it.

Not surprising from the same group of people who literally shut the government down in the aftermath of the Great Recession because they wanted to cut unemployment benefits to millions of people who relied on those benefits to try to stay afloat.

CEO wages went up by 17% in 2017, btw, and regular hourly wages were stagnant.

Tell me again how this is all benefiting regular people?

TR;DR

[~Rocktar~]

As usual, you are so focused on what you're being told is going on that you're not paying attention to what is *actually* going on.

These great tax cuts for the "regular guy"? By 2025, 25% of the tax 1.5 trillion cut will go to the top 1%. 66% of the benefits go to the top 20%. Which leaves the bottom 80% of the country to fight over roughly a third of the tax cuts.

If you're genuinely stupid enough to believe that massive tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations is "looking out for the regular guy" then there is no hope for you. And, of course, what did Congressional Republicans turn around and say after putting us trillions in debt to make rich people richer? That we need to cut Social Security and Medicaid to help pay for it.

Not surprising from the same group of people who literally shut the government down in the aftermath of the Great Recession because they wanted to cut unemployment benefits to millions of people who relied on those benefits to try to stay afloat.

CEO wages went up by 17% in 2017, btw, and regular hourly wages were stagnant.

Tell me again how this is all benefiting regular people?

Jealousy is such an ugly emotion. You crybullies just can't stand people making more than you. I won't try to explain it to you because it is a waste of my time and in this coming year, I have decided to spend my time a little more wisely and that means other than the occasional insult, maybe post a clear rebuttal of your pompous bullshit and condescending attitude or maybe like this, telling you how you are simply far too blind to understand the real world, I likely won't be spending much time with you.

Good luck, shut the fuck up and maybe prove you care about someone other than yourself by getting your criminal relative citizenship.

[Androidpk]

As usual, you are so focused on what you're being told is going on that you're not paying attention to what is *actually* going on.

These great tax cuts for the "regular guy"? By 2025, 25% of the tax 1.5 trillion cut will go to the top 1%. 66% of the benefits go to the top 20%. Which leaves the bottom 80% of the country to fight over roughly a third of the tax cuts.

If you're genuinely stupid enough to believe that massive tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations is "looking out for the regular guy" then there is no hope for you. And, of course, what did Congressional Republicans turn around and say after putting us trillions in debt to make rich people richer? That we need to cut Social Security and Medicaid to help pay for it.

Not surprising from the same group of people who literally shut the government down in the aftermath of the Great Recession because they wanted to cut unemployment benefits to millions of people who relied on those benefits to try to stay afloat.

CEO wages went up by 17% in 2017, btw, and regular hourly wages were stagnant.

Tell me again how this is all benefiting regular people?

Trump's base is getting hit the hardest in this economy and they're STILL cheering him on. It's easy to see why the GOP loves low information voters so much.

[Wrathbringer]

Trump's base is getting hit the hardest in this economy and they're STILL cheering him on. It's easy to see why the GOP loves low information voters so much.

You earn that couch rent, buddy!

[time4fun]

Trump's base is getting hit the hardest in this economy and they're STILL cheering him on. It's easy to see why the GOP loves low information voters so much.

Sort of. The typical Trump voter makes between $50k-100k a year. For the most part, the people who support Trump aren't actually the ones with the most to lose from his policies. Granted, he's gutting the farming industry right now, and that hits at the heart of Trump support. But people who have the least financial stability, on the whole, still tend to support Democrats.

[time4fun]

Jealousy is such an ugly emotion. You crybullies just can't stand people making more than you. I won't try to explain it to you because it is a waste of my time and in this coming year, I have decided to spend my time a little more wisely and that means other than the occasional insult, maybe post a clear rebuttal of your pompous bullshit and condescending attitude or maybe like this, telling you how you are simply far too blind to understand the real world, I likely won't be spending much time with you.

Good luck, shut the fuck up and maybe prove you care about someone other than yourself by getting your criminal relative citizenship.

ROFL

I hate to break it to you, but my household is one of the ones that stands to benefit from the Trump tax cuts. Not only do we benefit because of our household income, but companies have mostly used the tax breaks for stock buybacks. That means that money is also coming back to us by artificially inflating the value of my equity. I'm arguing against tax cuts for us because I want money to help the less fortunate- I don't need another vacation. But the notion that you might support policies that hurt you in order to help the less fortunate is clearly quite foreign to you.

The "wealthy liberal elites" you love to trash are the ones who are pushing for social services for the poor, for universal health care, for higher taxes on the wealthy, for enhanced consumer protections, and for campaign finance reform that reverses the systematic dis-empowerment of the poor that the conservatives justices on SCOTUS ushered in with Citizens united.

[Fortybox]

As usual, you are so focused on what you're being told is going on that you're not paying attention to what is *actually* going on.

These great tax cuts for the "regular guy"? By 2025, 25% of the tax 1.5 trillion cut will go to the top 1%. 66% of the benefits go to the top 20%. Which leaves the bottom 80% of the country to fight over roughly a third of the tax cuts.

If you're genuinely stupid enough to believe that massive tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations is "looking out for the regular guy" then there is no hope for you. And, of course, what did Congressional Republicans turn around and say after putting us trillions in debt to make rich people richer? That we need to cut Social Security and Medicaid to help pay for it.

Not surprising from the same group of people who literally shut the government down in the aftermath of the Great Recession because they wanted to cut unemployment benefits to millions of people who relied on those benefits to try to stay afloat.

CEO wages went up by 17% in 2017, btw, and regular hourly wages were stagnant.

Tell me again how this is all benefiting regular people?

As usual, you are so focused on implementing your transformation of America to your liberal ideology that you fail to realize that the majority of Americans will benefit from the tax cuts.

Since you had time to respond with this garbage, how about addressing men lactating and your "sarcastic" claims of $5 million spent per month per WOW server? Or did you conveniently forget again?

[Fortybox]

ROFL

I hate to break it to you, but my household is one of the ones that stands to benefit from the Trump tax cuts. Not only do we benefit because of our household income, but companies have mostly used the tax breaks for stock buybacks. That means that money is also coming back to us by artificially inflating the value of my equity. I'm arguing against tax cuts for us because I want money to help the less fortunate- I don't need another vacation. But the notion that you might support policies that hurt you in order to help the less fortunate is clearly quite foreign to you.

The "wealthy liberal elites" you love to trash are the ones who are pushing for social services for the poor, for universal health care, for higher taxes on the wealthy, for enhanced consumer protections, and for campaign finance reform that reverses the systematic dis-empowerment of the poor that the conservatives justices on SCOTUS ushered in with Citizens united.

Your narcissism really shows in this post but your liberal ideology is very apparent here. It's scary to be honest.

Nobody is stopping you from helping the less fortunate. You want government to force this on others. And it's not really about helping the less fortunate. It's about striking against an American culture you loathe and despise.

Republicans give more to charitable causes than Democrats. Tax cuts give more opportunity to be charitable. You'll be more interested in spending it on delivery meal services for your stupid dog than the poor you pretend to care about.

[Tgo01]

These great tax cuts for the "regular guy"? By 2025, 25% of the tax 1.5 trillion cut will go to the top 1%. 66% of the benefits go to the top 20%. Which leaves the bottom 80% of the country to fight over roughly a third of the tax cuts.

It's like I'm psychic or something.

Imagine that, the group of people who pay the overwhelming majority of taxes see the greatest benefit when taxes are cut. I never would have guessed!

[Fortybox]

It's like I'm psychic or something.

Imagine that, the group of people who pay the overwhelming majority of taxes see the greatest benefit when taxes are cut. I never would have guessed!

It's not about that to her. These people need to be forced to pay out more to redistribute to the less fortunate.

Her paradigm is one of fundamental transformation of wealth from one class to another when it comes to taxes. And it's not just about income but is also about race, for example, such as the demolishing of "privileged" white men.

[Parkbandit]

ROFL

I hate to break it to you, but my household is one of the ones that stands to benefit from the Trump tax cuts. Not only do we benefit because of our household income, but companies have mostly used the tax breaks for stock buybacks. That means that money is also coming back to us by artificially inflating the value of my equity. I'm arguing against tax cuts for us because I want money to help the less fortunate- I don't need another vacation. But the notion that you might support policies that hurt you in order to help the less fortunate is clearly quite foreign to you.

The "wealthy liberal elites" you love to trash are the ones who are pushing for social services for the poor, for universal health care, for higher taxes on the wealthy, for enhanced consumer protections, and for campaign finance reform that reverses the systematic dis-empowerment of the poor that the conservatives justices on SCOTUS ushered in with Citizens united.

ROFL.

Oh Honey.. no one believes you are anything you claim.

Well, except Androidpk.. but that's only because your couch is the only one available to him.

[Wrathbringer]

ROFL

I hate to break it to you, but my household is one of the ones that stands to benefit from the Trump tax cuts. Not only do we benefit because of our household income, but companies have mostly used the tax breaks for stock buybacks. That means that money is also coming back to us by artificially inflating the value of my equity. I'm arguing against tax cuts for us because I want money to help the less fortunate- I don't need another vacation. But the notion that you might support policies that hurt you in order to help the less fortunate is clearly quite foreign to you.

The "wealthy liberal elites" you love to trash are the ones who are pushing for social services for the poor, for universal health care, for higher taxes on the wealthy, for enhanced consumer protections, and for campaign finance reform that reverses the systematic dis-empowerment of the poor that the conservatives justices on SCOTUS ushered in with Citizens united.

WTDR;CNPRWROSR

(Way Too Damned Retarded; Could Not Possibly Read Without Risk Of Self Retardation)

[~Rocktar~]

Sort of. The typical Trump voter makes between $50k-100k a year. For the most part, the people who support Trump aren't actually the ones with the most to lose from his policies. Granted, he's gutting the farming industry right now, and that hits at the heart of Trump support. But people who have the least financial stability, on the whole, still tend to support Democrats.


When you are an economic slave to those that give you food and shelter by stealing it through threat of force from others, you tend not to want to bite the hand that feeds you so to speak. Which is why wealth redistribution is one of the greatest evils the world has ever known. It destroys all that it touches either by taking what they make or by enslaving them to the state.



ROFL

I hate to break it to you, but my household is one of the ones that stands to benefit from the Trump tax cuts. Not only do we benefit because of our household income, but companies have mostly used the tax breaks for stock buybacks. That means that money is also coming back to us by artificially inflating the value of my equity. I'm arguing against tax cuts for us because I want money to help the less fortunate- I don't need another vacation. But the notion that you might support policies that hurt you in order to help the less fortunate is clearly quite foreign to you.

The "wealthy liberal elites" you love to trash are the ones who are pushing for social services for the poor, for universal health care, for higher taxes on the wealthy, for enhanced consumer protections, and for campaign finance reform that reverses the systematic dis-empowerment of the poor that the conservatives justices on SCOTUS ushered in with Citizens united.

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[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjDEPtS68CM

Hello all of you young people. Look at me! I'm Elizabeth Warren! Sure I might LOOK like a 69 year old white woman, but I'm really a young person of color, the type of person you all love so much these days. Need proof? Look at my DNA test results that show I'm 1/1024th Native American. Need more proof that I'm young and Native American? Watch me drink beer, we all know how much redskins like me love beer!

[Wrathbringer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjDEPtS68CM

Hello all of you young people. Look at me! I'm Elizabeth Warren! Sure I might LOOK like a 69 year old white woman, but I'm really a young person of color, the type of person you all love so much these days. Need proof? Look at my DNA test results that show I'm 1/1024th Native American. Need more proof that I'm young and Native American? Watch me drink beer, we all know how much redskins like me love beer!

Saw this. Sooooooo cringey...sad, really. She'll say/do anything to get elected.

[audioserf]

AOC live-streams herself cooking dinner on Instagram and now every clowncar establishment dem is copying her. It’s really emblematic of how the party has no identity and is desperate. Love or hate AOC she’s fucking authentic.

“How do you do, fellow kids” is spot on.

[Tgo01]

AOC live-streams herself cooking dinner on Instagram and now every clowncar establishment dem is copying her. It’s really emblematic of how the party has no identity and is desperate. Love or hate AOC she’s fucking authentic.

“How do you do, fellow kids” is spot on.

Yeah like I said in another thread I disagree with just about everything Ocasio-Cortez believes in but I think she got into politics because she really wanted to make a difference. It's the wrong kind of difference, but I'd wager 90%+ of people who get into politics do so for the power, money, or fame.

[Methais]

I'm sorry- what exactly is he doing for all Americans? I"d love some concrete examples of him doing things expressly for "the little guy".

Well for one, he's providing nonstop 24/7 entertainment by triggering tards like you constantly.

You can't put a price on that.

[Methais]

But people who have the least financial stability, on the whole, still tend to support Democrats. You know, dumb lazy freeloaders like pk.

This is correct.


I'm arguing against tax cuts for us because I want money to help the less fortunate- I don't need another vacation. I do need more Simucoins though, which is why my brother is still illegal. Someone else should have to pay for that because I have text to buy.

This is also correct.

[Methais]

Yeah like I said in another thread I disagree with just about everything Ocasio-Cortez believes in but I think she got into politics because she really wanted to make a difference. It's the wrong kind of difference, but I'd wager 90%+ of people who get into politics do so for the power, money, or fame.

I'm sure that $174,000 per year for life helped sway her decision too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjDEPtS68CM

Hello all of you young people. Look at me! I'm Elizabeth Warren! Sure I might LOOK like a 69 year old white woman, but I'm really a young person of color, the type of person you all love so much these days. Need proof? Look at my DNA test results that show I'm 1/1024th Native American. Need more proof that I'm young and Native American? Watch me drink beer, we all know how much redskins like me love beer!

https://i.imgur.com/HKU5y3D.gif

What beer is she even drinking? Root?

https://i.imgur.com/sb0KdUi.png

[Methais]

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[Seizer]

I'm arguing against tax cuts for us because I want money to help the less fortunate- I don't need another vacation.
So what’s stopping you from taking all this money that would be taxes off your income and going out giving it to Salvation Army, Goodwill, your local soup kitchen/rescue? Is it possible that you aren’t being forced to by government taxes? So -gasp- you choose to spend your capital elsewhere? You’re such a fucking hypocrite.

[audioserf]

I don't know that it makes sense to assume time4fun isn't making charitable donations/contributions? You can do for yourself and do for others. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[Taernath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjDEPtS68CM

Hello all of you young people. Look at me! I'm Elizabeth Warren! Sure I might LOOK like a 69 year old white woman, but I'm really a young person of color, the type of person you all love so much these days. Need proof? Look at my DNA test results that show I'm 1/1024th Native American. Need more proof that I'm young and Native American? Watch me drink beer, we all know how much redskins like me love beer!

"Slow your roll, Tgo."

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uQgTGGty4YM/UHdXaReEo_I/AAAAAAAAKRQ/HbBcHZW5rZ0/s1600/Paul+Ryan+with+Weights+3.jpg

[Methais]

I don't know that it makes sense to assume time4fun isn't making charitable donations/contributions? You can do for yourself and do for others. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

I think it's safe to say that her not helping her illegal brother get legal while she spends thousands on text tells the story.

[audioserf]

I think it's safe to say that her not helping her illegal brother get legal while she spends thousands on text tells the story.

I've seen this posted plenty of times. What's the background/basis for it? It sounds like something that would require some intense e-stalking to put together as a thing because if it was true, why would she post about it here?

[Wrathbringer]

I've seen this posted plenty of times. What's the background/basis for it? It sounds like something that would require some intense e-stalking to put together as a thing because if it was true, why would she post about it here?

It was part of her 2016 Trump election meltdown that continues till this day. Trump had talked about how illegals were going to be deported and she was on here ranting and crying about how scared she was for her illegal alien brother and how Trump was going to rip their family apart. It was hilarious.

[Wrathbringer]

So what’s stopping you from taking all this money that would be taxes off your income and going out giving it to Salvation Army, Goodwill, your local soup kitchen/rescue? Is it possible that you aren’t being forced to by government taxes? So -gasp- you choose to spend your capital elsewhere? You’re such a fucking hypocrite.

This is correct.

[Methais]

It was part of her 2016 Trump election meltdown that continues till this day. Trump had talked about how illegals were going to be deported and she was on here ranting and crying about how scared she was for her illegal alien brother and how Trump was going to rip their family apart. It was hilarious.

While bragging about how she makes 1000000000000000000000000000x more money than everyone here combined.

Which probably really means eating ramen is her splurge meal, because she's been so honest about everything else and all.

[time4fun]

I've seen this posted plenty of times. What's the background/basis for it? It sounds like something that would require some intense e-stalking to put together as a thing because if it was true, why would she post about it here?

It's more their typical game of intentionally inaccurate statements that they then repeat over and over again until they all actually believe it. It's not sad at all.

[time4fun]

So what’s stopping you from taking all this money that would be taxes off your income and going out giving it to Salvation Army, Goodwill, your local soup kitchen/rescue? Is it possible that you aren’t being forced to by government taxes? So -gasp- you choose to spend your capital elsewhere? You’re such a fucking hypocrite.

1) It's going to the ACLU actually

2) We don't solve national tax issues through one individual's personal tax decisions

[Methais]

It's more their typical game of intentionally inaccurate statements that they then repeat over and over again until they all actually believe it. It's not sad at all.

Feel free to set the record straight.

[Astray]

Feel free to set the record straight.

I think it was 'afraid to register' for something or another. I wasn't really paying attention.

[time4fun]

So let’s just clear this up once and for all. Between you and your boyfriend what are we talking here? 400k? Half mil a year?

Does it really matter?

[Astray]

Does it really matter?

Not to me.

[Parkbandit]

So let’s just clear this up once and for all. Between you and your boyfriend what are we talking here? 400k? Half mil a year?

If she makes more than everyone here... she's going to have to come up with a far more lucrative story than just having a PhD in Feminist Studies.

I offer this: She sold a small Internet startup to Google for millions of dollars. She can't disclose the startup because of a NDA.

[Parkbandit]

I've seen this posted plenty of times. What's the background/basis for it? It sounds like something that would require some intense e-stalking to put together as a thing because if it was true, why would she post about it here?

Check the election thread from 2016.. the day after when she was having another emotional panic attack. She said her brother lived here illegally most of his life.

For someone who makes more than all of us.. you would think she could help her brother out.. but no...

[Parkbandit]

Does it really matter?

It obviously matters to you, since you claimed you make more than everyone here.

[Tgo01]

I've seen this posted plenty of times. What's the background/basis for it? It sounds like something that would require some intense e-stalking to put together as a thing because if it was true, why would she post about it here?

She offered the information, she always offers up information like this if she thinks it will bolster her argument and will make her an "expert" in the discussion at hand. In this particular case we were talking about illegal aliens and of course here comes time4fun to say she knows all about illegal aliens living in fear because her brother is an illegal alien and the entire family is terrified that Trump will personally bust down their door with his goons to drag her brother away.

She has also said she pays more in taxes than most people on this forum earn every year, and she said she probably makes more than anyone else on this board.

Now granted she didn't say she never helped her brother become legal, but considering she said he has lived here illegally for something like over a decade and the fact that she is so fucking wealthy that she begs the federal government to tax her more, she has had plenty of time to help her brother out.

[Tgo01]

It's more their typical game of intentionally inaccurate statements that they then repeat over and over again until they all actually believe it. It's not sad at all.

Look at this bitch gaslighting again. Talk about a true sociopath.

Here is her offering up information that her brother is here illegally. I'll give her credit for actually saying he's here illegally and not an "undocumented immigrant."


Lucky.

I have a brother who has lived here most of his life. He's here illegally from the Philippines, and today I sat around and wondered how many more times I'm going to get to see him. If Trump does what he promised- will my brother be forced to leave? He barely knows the Philippines- this is his home. Where would he even go? He barely knows the family over there. And I know some of you here can't wait for my brother to leave because you feel like he's taking something from you, and he deserves it. And some of you will just find this so hilarious. But he's my brother. And I love him. And now I find myself wondering if in two years, he'll be at Christmas with us.

A colleague of mine showed up to work on the edge of tears today. Mike Pence is already talking about the LGBTQ rights he's looking forward to dismantling, and he's one of the most anti-gay elected officials in the country. He's responsible for one of the freedom to discrimination/freedom of religion bills. Her sister called her up sobbing, terrified of what this is going to mean for her. I broke down too- what does this mean for my other brother who happens to be gay? What about all of my friends?

I get how this is some major political victory for some people here. And how it's just hysterically funny to others. And I get how some of you just feel like this is no big deal- because for you it may not be.

But for some of us- this is beyond terrifying. I'm so scared for my family that I'm literally sick to my stomach.

Here is her claiming she makes more than everyone on the PC:


I probably make more than all of you to be honest.

And here is her claiming she and her boyfriend pay more in taxes than most people on the PC take home every year:


Our combined household income puts us in the top 1% of the country, and both me and my boyfriend disagree with this statement vehemently. Taxes are crucial for the well being of this country and those in it. People like us pay too little, and we both vote for politicians who would increase our taxes- because we'd rather see free college tuition, universal health care, and the eradication of hunger in this country than us getting one more vacation every year.

This country was at its best when our tax rates were higher on top income earners. People who treat taxes like they're some immoral burden are short-sighted fools who value money over the things that really matter. We pay more in taxes than most of the folks on this forum take home in income every year, and you won't ever catch us complaining about the high tax rates. So unless you're in the lower 50% of income earners in this country, you shouldn't be complaining either.

The only dots we are connecting is that she hasn't used her immense wealth to help her brother become a legal citizen while he has lived here illegally "most of his life." Which to be honest is a fair assumption to make based on all of the information she voluntarily gave.

[Tgo01]

I was just rereading that illegal alien bit and I never noticed time4fun claims to also have a brother who is gay. Honestly what are the fucking chances?

Estimates put the gay population at about 5%, but of course time4fun has a brother that is gay. And another brother that is here illegally. And she has two graduate degrees. And she makes more money than anyone else on the board. And she was in DC on 9/11. And she has a boyfriend who works for a law firm who hits the gym 5 days a week. And she spent a summer working at the UN on women's inclusion or some such shit.

It would take a true psychopath to take her and her arguments seriously.


Trump's base is getting hit the hardest in this economy and they're STILL cheering him on. It's easy to see why the GOP loves low information voters so much.

Oh.

[Taernath]

I've seen this posted plenty of times. What's the background/basis for it? It sounds like something that would require some intense e-stalking to put together as a thing because if it was true, why would she post about it here?

Literally everything she gets made fun of for is stuff she has posted herself, often with no prompting. Usually it's a transparent attempt at establishing expertise, other times it's trolling for attention. She does the same thing on lnet.


And she has two graduate degrees.

Most recently she has a doctorate in Feminist Anthropology. From Harvard. Keep up!

[SonoftheNorth]

I was just rereading that illegal alien bit and I never noticed time4fun claims to also have a brother who is gay. Honestly what are the fucking chances?



California.

[Gelston]

I was just rereading that illegal alien bit and I never noticed time4fun claims to also have a brother who is gay. Honestly what are the fucking chances?

Estimates put the gay population at about 5%, but of course time4fun has a brother that is gay. And another brother that is here illegally. And she has two graduate degrees. And she makes more money than anyone else on the board. And she was in DC on 9/11. And she has a boyfriend who works for a law firm who hits the gym 5 days a week. And she spent a summer working at the UN on women's inclusion or some such shit.

It would take a true psychopath to take her and her arguments seriously.



Oh.

There are definitely more than 5% gay. Two of my cousins are gay, and a couple of my friends are.

[Tgo01]

California.

Touche.


There are definitely more than 5% gay. Two of my cousins are gay, and a couple of my friends are.

Yeah but how many people do you know? I have two gay cousins as well but between all of my aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, and cousins my family is well over 100 people.

[Gelston]

Touche.



Yeah but how many people do you know? I have two gay cousins as well but between all of my aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, and cousins my family is well over 100 people.

I know 6 people total, so my sample size means 4/6 people are gay.

[Tgo01]

I know 6 people total, so my sample size means 4/6 people are gay.

Well I can't argue with math.

[Fortybox]

I've seen this posted plenty of times. What's the background/basis for it? It sounds like something that would require some intense e-stalking to put together as a thing because if it was true, why would she post about it here?

It's not intense e-stalking at all. I am not sure if you play or how often you frequent these forums but narcissists have an intense, pathological need to overshare about their lives and to receive validation of their self-worth because they have none internally. Internet/social media only exacerbate this. Everything everyone is saying in this thread and others are all from her own annoying, oversharing of her RL greatness posting, or her "hey look at me guys" attitude on LNET in the game.

In many ways, this

[Fortybox]

If she makes more than everyone here... she's going to have to come up with a far more lucrative story than just having a PhD in Feminist Studies.

I offer this: She sold a small Internet startup to Google for millions of dollars. She can't disclose the startup because of a NDA.

She still claims to be in student loan debt and she doesn't even own a home. Know how I know this? Because she cannot shut up about 1) her successes or 2) her complaining about her troubles. Most successful people don't overshare this way and either demonstrates she has serious mental illness or she is lying...or both.

[Tgo01]

Most recently she has a doctorate in Feminist Anthropology. From Harvard. Keep up!

Shit! I forget she keeps getting PhDs more often than people change underwear.

[Candor]

If she makes more than everyone here... she's going to have to come up with a far more lucrative story than just having a PhD in Feminist Studies.

I think it is safe to say that most of the posters in this forum who do well financially are not talking about it very much, if at all.

[Wrathbringer]

I think it is safe to say that most of the posters in this forum who do well financially are not talking about it very much, if at all.

lol @ your rep

[Wrathbringer]

I know 6 people total, so my sample size means 4/6 people are gay.

9229

[kutter]

There are definitely more than 5% gay. Two of my cousins are gay, and a couple of my friends are.

Pretty sure that the best real number, not something reported by say the ACLU, for the percentage of alphabet people in the population, I say that because there is no way I can remember what the term du jour is, is between 3 and 5 percent, and anecdotally I would say that number is probably reasonably accurate. Think about it this way, there are probably between 300 and 400 people that I could call that would know me when I said hello, and I know about 10 gay people. Pretty small sample I admit, but if you think about it from that perspective you know a lot more people than you probably realize, plus like mine, your sample size might be slightly skewed to more where mine is a little less.

[Parkbandit]

I think it is safe to say that most of the posters in this forum who do well financially are not talking about it very much, if at all.

So, in your head, if you make fun of someone who claims she makes more than everyone posting on this forum, you aren't doing well financially?

You're fucking retarded. Are you going for the belt??

[Taernath]

Candor has always been a contender, he just mainly makes stuff up about his character and not his RL self.

[time4fun]

I think it is safe to say that most of the posters in this forum who do well financially are not talking about it very much, if at all.

Probably because no one else is constantly bringing it up.

[Methais]

She still claims to be in student loan debt and she doesn't even own a home. Know how I know this? Because she cannot shut up about 1) her successes or 2) her complaining about her troubles. Most successful people don't overshare this way and either demonstrates she has serious mental illness or she is lying...or both.

She needs to lay off the Simucoins.


Probably because no one else is constantly bringing it up.

You need to lay off the Simucoins.

[Seizer]

Probably because no one else is constantly bringing it up.
Dunning-Kruger in effect.
https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

[Methais]

Dunning-Kruger in effect.
https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

The accuracy of this would be scary if it wasn't so hilarious.

[Parkbandit]

Probably because no one else is constantly bringing it up.

"It's your fault for bring up something really, really, really stupid I posted!"

"It's not fair you keep bringing up something I posted that was really, really, really stupid!"

[Parkbandit]

Dunning-Kruger in effect.
https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

Jesus.. it's fucking spot on.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias (https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-cognitive-bias-2794963) in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness (https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-self-awareness-2795023) and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.

The term lends a scientific name and explanation to a problem that many people immediately recognize—that fools are blind to their own foolishness. As Charles Darwin wrote in his book The Descent of Man, "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

[kutter]

Dunning-Kruger in effect.
https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

When I first saw that hyperlink, for a second I thought it was going to be about that wack job on that HBO show, but I realized it was Dunning and Dunham, but it still probably fits.

[Seizer]

The accuracy of this would be scary if it wasn't so hilarious.
I just had a human factors training and they talked about Dunning-Kruger effect. They explained how it can have an effect on safety, and as discussed in the article once you gain enough experience you realize that you are susceptible to error. It also went in to the Expert’s Curse, which was another interesting cause for safety concerns.

After reading about Dunning-Kruger I realized it fit her to a tee.

[Fortybox]

I just had a human factors training and they talked about Dunning-Kruger effect. They explained how it can have an effect on safety, and as discussed in the article once you gain enough experience you realize that you are susceptible to error. It also went in to the Expert’s Curse, which was another interesting cause for safety concerns.

After reading about Dunning-Kruger I realized it fit her to a tee.


A Little Knowledge Can Lead to Overconfidence

Another contributing factor is that sometimes a tiny bit of knowledge on a subject can lead people to mistakenly believe that they know all there is to know about it. As the old saying goes, a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. A person might have the slimmest bit of awareness about a subject, yet thanks to the Dunning-Kruger effect, believe that he or she is an expert.


LOL - time4googlesearch no? Haha

[Candor]

So, in your head, if you make fun of someone who claims she makes more than everyone posting on this forum, you aren't doing well financially?

All I was saying is that we don't know what it would take to make more than most everyone here - we can only guess.

[Parkbandit]

All I was saying is that we don't know what it would take to make more than most everyone here - we can only guess.

But you didn't say that.

Like at all.

Here's what you said:


I think it is safe to say that most of the posters in this forum who do well financially are not talking about it very much, if at all.

Normally, I don't point out your stupidity.. I just let it go because it's rather tame compared to our top 5 contenders.. but this was so monumentally stupid it needed to be made fun of.

Stop being so monumentally stupid.

[Ashlander]

But you didn't say that.

Like at all.

Here's what you said:



Normally, I don't point out your stupidity.. I just let it go because it's rather tame compared to our top 5 contenders.. but this was so monumentally stupid it needed to be made fun of.

Stop being so monumentally stupid.

I'll be the odd one out and say I thought he just meant people who are doing well financially don't tell everyone else how rich they are over and over again like Time4Pegging.

[Astray]

I'll be the odd one out and say I thought he just meant people who are doing well financially don't tell everyone else how rich they are over and over again

This is what I concluded too.

[Fortybox]

This is what I concluded too.

Plenty of people who are well off financially and are not mentally unstable.

[Parkbandit]

I'll be the odd one out and say I thought he just meant people who are doing well financially don't tell everyone else how rich they are over and over again like Time4Pegging.

Ah.. I took it a different way. Even when he "clarified" it, he didn't.

[Candor]

But you didn't say that.

Like at all.

Here's what you said:



Normally, I don't point out your stupidity.. I just let it go because it's rather tame compared to our top 5 contenders.. but this was so monumentally stupid it needed to be made fun of.

Stop being so monumentally stupid.

You are being an idiot. And it's too bad, because often you are one of the more intelligent posters here.

[Parkbandit]

You are being an idiot. And it's too bad, because often you are one of the more intelligent posters here.

Don't blame me for your lack of communications skills.

That's on you.

Notice how Ashlander explained it and there was no question about what he was trying to say?

[kutter]

To be fair PB, I also took it to mean that most people of means simply do not speak about it. It is after all, at least from my generation, considered rude.

[Gelston]

To be fair PB, I also took it to mean that most people of means simply do not speak about it. It is after all, at least from my generation, considered rude.

I was always raised that way too. Your paycheck is private info.