Second Government Shutdown of 2018

[ClydeR]

After that amazing public meeting among Trump, Schumer and Pelosi, it looks like we are going to have another shutdown this year..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtCfBR8ZZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtCfBR8ZZQ

It was just like in that movie Dave (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZARAldXlSyA), except there was no happy bipartisan applause at the end.

[Wrathbringer]

After that amazing public meeting among Trump, Schumer and Pelosi, it looks like we are going to have another shutdown this year..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtCfBR8ZZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtCfBR8ZZQ

It was just like in that movie Dave (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZARAldXlSyA), except there was no happy bipartisan applause at the end.

Good, shut it down. The wall needs to be funded.

[Astray]

Good, shut it down. The wall needs to be funded.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oXp8Th41rBs/hqdefault.jpg

[Gelston]

Hey pk, what is your lawyer's phone number. I need to sue amazon because this displayport to hdmi cord I just bought a week ago crapped out. Thanks.

[Back]

Good, shut it down. The wall needs to be funded.

Why are you so scared of Mexicans?

[ClydeR]

Why are you so scared of Mexicans?

Crime and drugs. Trump said it at his public meeting with Pelosi and Schumer today. Pence was there too, but he never got a chance to talk.


THE PRESIDENT: You know what I’ll say: Yes, if we don’t get what we want, one way or the other -- whether it’s through you, through a military, through anything you want to call -- I will shut down the government. Absolutely.

SENATE MINORITY LEADER SCHUMER: Okay. Fair enough. We disagree.

THE PRESIDENT: And I am proud -- and I’ll tell you what --

SENATE MINORITY LEADER SCHUMER: We disagree.

THE PRESIDENT: I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it. The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting down.

HOUSE SPEAKER-DESIGNATE PELOSI: That is (inaudible).

THE PRESIDENT: And I’m going to shut it down for border security.

SENATE MINORITY LEADER SCHUMER: But we believe you shouldn’t shut it down.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay. Thank you very much everybody. Thank you.

More... (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/12/11/read-full-transcript-meeting-between-trump-pence-pelosi-and-schumer/ydozGoydBzB946pWLP3U1J/story.html)

[Neveragain]

Why are you so scared of Mexicans?

How many illegals have you opened your home to without a background check?

[Ashliana]

Good, shut it down. The wall needs to be funded.

Remind us, who did Trump claim was going to pay for the wall hundreds of times during the campaign? Was it the U.S. taxpayer?

And FYI, the wall isn't a conservative idea. It's the reactionary idea of a populist demagogue -- conservative groups oppose it.

Examples:
1) CATO Institute - Why The Wall Won't Work (https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work)
2) American Enterprise Institute - The real key to solving the family separation crisis at the border (http://www.aei.org/publication/the-real-key-to-solving-the-family-separation-crisis-at-the-border/)
3) National Review - Don’t Obsess Over the Wall (https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/donald-trump-border-wall-least-important-immigration-enforcement-measure/).

In other words -- you're retarded.

[Back]

How many illegals have you opened your home to without a background check?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[Parkbandit]

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Do you lock your door at night? Why are you so scared of Americans?

Do you lock your car doors when you park it? Why are you so scared of Americans?

[Back]

Do you lock your door at night? Why are you so scared of Americans?

Do you lock your car doors when you park it? Why are you so scared of Americans?

One thing you're sure not scared of is being a dumbass. :lol:

[Parkbandit]

One thing you're sure not scared of is being a dumbass. :lol:

Irony.

Just answer the question. Why are you so afraid of your fellow Americans??

[Back]

Irony.

Just answer the question. Why are you so afraid of your fellow Americans??

To review...

Shartbringers says Trump should shut the government down putting hundreds of thousands of Americans out of work if we don't get funding to build a nearly 2000 mile wall along the US border with our ally Mexico.

I ask Shartbringer why he's scared of Mexicans.

The known racist Neveragain asks me how many illegals I have let into my home without background checks.

I ask the known racist Neveragain to explain what that has to do with my asking Shartbringer why he's scared of Mexicans.

You jump in and ask why I'm afraid of Americans? Your participation in this conversation and request is much like yourself. Irrelevant and out of place.

I'd still like to hear Shartbringer's story.

[Parkbandit]

To review...

Shartbringers says Trump should shut the government down putting hundreds of thousands of Americans out of work if we don't get funding to build a nearly 2000 mile wall along the US border with our ally Mexico.

I ask Shartbringer why he's scared of Mexicans.

The known racist Neveragain asks me how many illegals I have let into my home without background checks.

I ask the known racist Neveragain to explain what that has to do with my asking Shartbringer why he's scared of Mexicans.

You jump in and ask why I'm afraid of Americans? Your participation in this conversation and request is much like yourself. Irrelevant and out of place.

I'd still like to hear Shartbringer's story.

If you need me to use smaller words, I can. I know sometimes it's hard for you to understand very simple concepts without involving an adult.

You believe knowing who is coming into the country means you must be afraid of Mexicans. Pretty racist thinking, even from someone like you.

I tried to dumb it down for you, asking why you lock your door to your home and your car. Clearly you didn't understand the analogy.

Now.. I know you are gunning for a title shot.. and while I applaud your efforts, not even you can be this stupid.. can you?

[Parkbandit]

Oh shit! This is ALL my bad.

Today is fucking Drunk Tuesday! We've been begging you to start this back up again.. and you finally did!

My apologies! Please continue!!

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[rolfard]

When they have a government shutdown, what exactly gets shut down besides the parks? How much of the budget is actually impacted during a shutdown? Is this going to bring Trump the 5b he wants for the wall or is it more posturing than anything?

[Fortybox]

Remind us, who did Trump claim was going to pay for the wall hundreds of times during the campaign? Was it the U.S. taxpayer?

And FYI, the wall isn't a conservative idea. It's the reactionary idea of a populist demagogue -- conservative groups oppose it.

Examples:
1) CATO Institute - Why The Wall Won't Work (https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work)
2) American Enterprise Institute - The real key to solving the family separation crisis at the border (http://www.aei.org/publication/the-real-key-to-solving-the-family-separation-crisis-at-the-border/)
3) National Review - Don’t Obsess Over the Wall (https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/04/donald-trump-border-wall-least-important-immigration-enforcement-measure/).

In other words -- you're retarded.

Build a wall...around Ashliana. WTF kind of name is Ashliana anyways?

I went to a website via search ala time4fun style (so I therefore now have expertise on meaning of names) and Ashliana means...nothing. But I did find some encouragement!!!

A is for aptitudes, your special capabilities shine

S is for special, you are, you know!

H is for heart, warm and loving.

L is for laughter, you spread wherever you go.

I is for innovator, always improving

A is for achievements, the many over a lifetime

N is for name, a pleasant one indeed.

A is for athleticism, embrace the competitor within

[Neveragain]

To review...

Shartbringers says Trump should shut the government down putting hundreds of thousands of Americans out of work if we don't get funding to build a nearly 2000 mile wall along the US border with our ally Mexico.

I ask Shartbringer why he's scared of Mexicans.

The known racist Neveragain asks me how many illegals I have let into my home without background checks.

I ask the known racist Neveragain to explain what that has to do with my asking Shartbringer why he's scared of Mexicans.

You jump in and ask why I'm afraid of Americans? Your participation in this conversation and request is much like yourself. Irrelevant and out of place.

I'd still like to hear Shartbringer's story.

Nobody is scared of Mexicans. We just understand why through human history we decided to invent things like borders. Your blissful ignorance is regressive and dangerous.

[Tgo01]

Why are you so scared of Mexicans?

Kind of racist to assume all illegal aliens who cross the southern border are Mexican.

Why do you say such racist things?

[Back]

Nobody is scared of Mexicans. We just understand why through human history we decided to invent things like borders. Your blissful ignorance is regressive and dangerous.

One of the ancient wonders of the world is a great wall. Look it up.

Who is we? Who do you think you speak for?

Regressive in that no one owned land before people decided they could own land. There were no borders before people made borders.

I never said erase borders.

This whole border wall was never going to happen. You were a sucker, bought right in to it, and voted for Trump. He got what he wanted. You and everyone else who believed him are not getting a damn $5 billion wall that Mexico is sure as hell not paying for.

[Tgo01]

When they have a government shutdown, what exactly gets shut down besides the parks? How much of the budget is actually impacted during a shutdown? Is this going to bring Trump the 5b he wants for the wall or is it more posturing than anything?

Essential services like police and hospitals aren't shut down. Social security, military payments, and stuff like that is still funded because that comes from a different fund. Pretty sure the IRS keeps working too.

Other than that all federal employees basically get a free paid vacation because once the government starts back up again they'll receive pay for all of the days they were furloughed, the only catch being they have to make do without receiving a paycheck until then.

I think a government shutdown is more psychological to people than anything else because "government shutdown" sounds ominous and they don't understand exactly what it entails

Also parks typically aren't closed during a government shutdown, that was just Obama's doing to make Republicans look bad. Why would a park or a veteran memorial need to be shut down just because the federal government is temporarily shut down? It's a park, it's not Fort Knox.

[Androidpk]

When they have a government shutdown, what exactly gets shut down besides the parks? How much of the budget is actually impacted during a shutdown? Is this going to bring Trump the 5b he wants for the wall or is it more posturing than anything?

It's just posturing from Trump. His wall isn't going to get built.

[Neveragain]

One of the ancient wonders of the world is a great wall. Look it up.

Who is we? Who do you think you speak for?

Regressive in that no one owned land before people decided they could own land. There were no borders before people made borders.

I never said erase borders.

This whole border wall was never going to happen. You were a sucker, bought right in to it, and voted for Trump. He got what he wanted. You and everyone else who believed him are not getting a damn $5 billion wall that Mexico is sure as hell not paying for.

It's like you enjoy wallowing in stupidity, before borders people were at constant war and plagues were rampant.

I didn't vote for Trump.

[Parkbandit]

When they have a government shutdown, what exactly gets shut down besides the parks? How much of the budget is actually impacted during a shutdown? Is this going to bring Trump the 5b he wants for the wall or is it more posturing than anything?

All unessential employees are asked to go home.

Here's a thought: If we literally have people doing jobs that are classified as "unessential", maybe do away with those jobs?

[Gelston]

All unessential employees are asked to go home.

Here's a thought: If we literally have people doing jobs that are classified as "unessential", maybe do away with those jobs?

They are unessential for keeping the Government working, basically a skeleton crew. They are still needed for efficiency and such. You think shit like the VA is slow now? Imagine how worse it would be with all its staff gone.

[Parkbandit]

One of the ancient wonders of the world is a great wall. Look it up.

Who is we? Who do you think you speak for?

Regressive in that no one owned land before people decided they could own land. There were no borders before people made borders.

I never said erase borders.

This whole border wall was never going to happen. You were a sucker, bought right in to it, and voted for Trump. He got what he wanted. You and everyone else who believed him are not getting a damn $5 billion wall that Mexico is sure as hell not paying for.

So, you believe every country should have open borders? There should be no countries and people should be able to go and do as they please anywhere in the world?

I'll give you this: At least you have the courage to actually own it. You're ideas are about as retarded as they get, but you at least stand up for them.

Kudos.

[Parkbandit]

They are unessential for keeping the Government working, basically a skeleton crew. They are still needed for efficiency and such. You think shit like the VA is slow now? Imagine how worse it would be with all its staff gone.

VA employees are considered non-essential?

[Gelston]

VA employees are considered non-essential?

Yeah, they furlough most of them. And even people like janitors and stuff get furloughed. It is literally bare bones.

[Ashliana]

One of the ancient wonders of the world is a great wall. Look it upYou're ideas are about as retarded as they get, but you at least stand up for them.

Kudos.

Weren't you just talking smack to Back about not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" the other day?

Kudos.

[Parkbandit]

Weren't you just talking smack to Back about not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" the other day?

Kudos.

No, I wasn't "just talking smack to Back about not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" the other day?"

Now, go spend some time figuring out where you went wrong.

Come back when you've finished and give us an update.

[Ashliana]

No, I wasn't "just talking smack to Back about not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" the other day?"

Now, go spend some time figuring out where you went wrong.

Come back when you've finished and give us an update.

You sound a little upset, there. Perhaps you'll learn the difference ... at the same time you figure out what the difference between an essential and non-essential government employee is. Hint: Non-essential doesn't mean "your job serves no purpose."

[Gelston]

You sound a little upset, there. Perhaps you'll learn the difference ... at the same time you figure out what the difference between an essential and non-essential government employee is. Hint: Non-essential doesn't mean "your job serves no purpose."

That is your problem. You think you can hear typed words. You have no idea the manner in which he was typing them, only how you think he typed them.

[Ashliana]

No, I wasn't "just talking smack to Back about not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" the other day?"

Now, go spend some time figuring out where you went wrong.

Come back when you've finished and give us an update.

Sorry, it was Shaft. Not Back. Still funny.

Proof: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110469-Russia-Investigation-Heating-Up&p=2070122&highlight=#post2070122
Also, archived (http://archive.is/S2wiX).

[ClydeR]

If a shutdown is necessary to protect the border, then we have no choice. People may have to do without WIC payments, TSA salaries and special prosecutors, but Trump should stand firm as long as necessary to get the wall, even if he has to hold out until the end of his term! It is a necessary sacrifice for the greater good.

[Gelston]

If a shutdown is necessary to protect the border, then we have no choice. People may have to do without WIC payments, TSA salaries and special prosecutors, but Trump should stand firm as long as necessary to get the wall, even if he has to hold out until the end of his term! It is a necessary sacrifice for the greater good.

The funny thing, it is a federal program, but it is administered by the individual states. It is on the states how they handle the payments incase of Government shutdown. They usually have a pretty large reserve to hold them over, so unless it is an exceedingly long shutdown, they generally aren't effected.

[Astray]

https://i.imgur.com/Kk3sLLM.jpg

[Gelston]

https://i.imgur.com/Kk3sLLM.jpg

He also said "if" the Military can't build it.

[Astray]

He also said "if" the Military can't build it.

I saw that on my Facebook feed, made me laugh.

[Gelston]

I saw that on my Facebook feed, made me laugh.

The military could definitely do it. It'd be the gayest fucking working party ever.

[Taernath]

Once it gets toward summer you'll be spending more time in cooling tents than working.

[Astray]

The military could definitely do it. It'd be the gayest fucking working party ever.

Undoubtedly.


Once it gets toward summer you'll be spending more time in cooling tents than working.

All fun and games till you can literally cook an egg in a skillet using just the pavement.

[Stumplicker]

One of the ancient wonders of the world is a great wall. Look it up.

Who is we? Who do you think you speak for?

Regressive in that no one owned land before people decided they could own land. There were no borders before people made borders.

I never said erase borders.

This whole border wall was never going to happen. You were a sucker, bought right in to it, and voted for Trump. He got what he wanted. You and everyone else who believed him are not getting a damn $5 billion wall that Mexico is sure as hell not paying for.

To preface, I think it's stupid that you let yourself get drawn into existential debates about what land ownership is in regards to the social contract. You're also referencing a wall China built to keep nomadic Mongolian tribes from torching their towns and murdering/raping/enslaving their people 1600 years ago as something even in the same universe as today's issues.

Stop that. It doesn't help you at all. Don't let people draw you off topic if you want to convey your points in a manner anyone takes seriously.

To the point, erasing a border and not protecting a border are the same thing. If you're for keeping borders, you're for keeping border protection. Whether that's done with a wall or not is the matter at hand, but if a border exists, protection on that border is necessary.

[Gelston]

No Mexicans made it over the Great Wall of China btw.

[Some Rogue]

No Mexicans made it over the Great Wall of China btw.

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[Stumplicker]

Oh and one more thing. My opinion on border security is two pronged, like a shitty fork.

1. The border does need increased protection in some form to prevent undocumented immigrants from continuing to cross as they have, creating an issue where there are a large number of undocumented people within the US.

2. The immigration system needs an overhaul to be far more streamlined and far less of a bureaucratic nightmare that takes years to get through.

I say offer current undocumented immigrants work visas that count towards citizenship as part of the naturalization process, much in the way Mexico does. Earmark those now documented immigrants as naturalizing, and funnel the taxes they pay into increased border security. That both documents the large number of undocumented currently living in the US, and lowers the ability for undocumented immigrants to arrive going forward.

Edit to add: Also that's kinda like Mexico paying for a wall, since it is largely Mexican nationals as undocumented immigrants we're talking about.

[~Rocktar~]

Want to make Mexico pay for the wall, simple, put a $1-5 tax on all wire transfers to places south of the border and island countries in the Caribbean and put tariffs on incoming goods from those countries equal to the amount needed to pay for welfare and social services from those countries for the illegals here and the cost of housing and deporting them back home. Should pay for the wall in under 2 years.

[Methais]

Why are you so scared of Mexicans?

What Mexicans?

https://i.imgur.com/vIWNVqH.png

[Parkbandit]

What Mexicans?

https://i.imgur.com/vIWNVqH.png

That’s hilarious.

[Stumplicker]

Want to make Mexico pay for the wall, simple, put a $1-5 tax on all wire transfers to places south of the border and island countries in the Caribbean and put tariffs on incoming goods from those countries equal to the amount needed to pay for welfare and social services from those countries for the illegals here and the cost of housing and deporting them back home. Should pay for the wall in under 2 years.

Tariffs don't work that way. It's a tax on an imported good, paid by the importer, not the exporter in those cases. We don't export enough to them to really put any sort of dent, with the possible exception of Mexico. Or frankly, import. We do exploit some south american countries, mainly for food imports, but taxing either import or export on that just exacerbates the situation for farmers and causes food prices to rise for the consumer, in both countries, which would cause more people to try to hop the border as the economic situation on the whole is worse starting off there. The reason it's a stick with China is because 500 billion worth of exports to the US is significantly dented by forcing US businesses to not deal with China or have to pay tariffs.

Putting tariffs on Mexico or Caribbean nations only taxes US companies/individuals buying from them. And it gives that money to the US Government. I thought you were in favor of small government, not big, bloated supertax government?

[Astray]

Snip

What the fuck?

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/MHX0MKM.jpg

[Fortybox]

Sorry, it was Shaft. Not Back. Still funny.

Proof: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110469-Russia-Investigation-Heating-Up&p=2070122&highlight=#post2070122
Also, archived (http://archive.is/S2wiX).

Glad you are archiving your stupidity.

PB sure has you triggered, LOL

[Fortybox]

What Mexicans?

https://i.imgur.com/vIWNVqH.png

They would be richer than couch4PK

[Parkbandit]

Glad you are archiving your stupidity.

PB sure has you triggered, LOL



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