Invasion or not?

[~Rocktar~]

Looks kinda invasion like to me. And yet the shitbags in media and the Democrat party say these people should be welcomed.


https://youtu.be/r_VjEgIxjfo

[~Rocktar~]

And the second video because adding 2 in one post is not allowed


https://youtu.be/YM-hqE8wmYE

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/q-j6stu7riY

[Tgo01]

Sure looks like an invasion, but Jim Acosta stood up to "ask" a question to Trump and said it was not an invasion so I'm sort of torn.

[Methais]

I read that Mexico's going to be deporting those people. I wonder how long before retards start calling the Mexican government a bunch of racist Nazi white supremacists.

GS should do an invasion like this. and change the ballistas to tear gas launchers.

[time4fun]

And then Jesus said- Tear gas the children

[Wrathbringer]

And then Jesus said- Tear gas the children

I'd like to gas you with shart gas. Would probably improve your brain function.

[beldannon5]

it's weird how there are millions of people in the USA but when something happens like tear gas or keeping people that knew they shouldn't come because they were told they wouldn't get in, certain people like to blame Christians. Cause yeah all Christians want tear gaas and such. I mean seriously get a life

[time4fun]

it's weird how there are millions of people in the USA but when something happens like tear gas or keeping people that knew they shouldn't come because they were told they wouldn't get in, certain people like to blame Christians. Cause yeah all Christians want tear gaas and such. I mean seriously get a life

Well first, white evangelical support is why Trump is in office. So maybe let's not rush off and say that these are entirely separate concepts.

Secondly, no one is blaming Christians. But I am very much shaming Christians who claim to live their lives by Jesus's love but who support the way we've been treating asylum seekers who are fleeing violence in their own countries. Jesus had A LOT to say about how to treat these people, and none of it involved tear gas.

And if you're more offended by that than you are by the horrific way we're treating victims of violence who are in need of help, then maybe you need to get a life.

[Wrathbringer]

Well first, white evangelical support is why Trump is in office. So maybe let's not rush off and say that these are entirely separate concepts.

Secondly, no one is blaming Christians. But I am very much shaming Christians who claim to live their lives by Jesus's love but who support the way we've been treating asylum seekers who are fleeing violence in their own countries. Jesus had A LOT to say about how to treat these people, and none of it involved tear gas.

And if you're more offended by that than you are by the horrific way we're treating victims of violence who are in need of help, then maybe you need to get a life.

You're uber retarded. We don't know who of these people actually need a asylum and who are gang/drug cartel people. If you're so gung ho to let them all in then you house them in your bedroom since you trust them so much. Maybe they can sleep next to your illegal alien brother.

[Back]

You're uber retarded. We don't know who of these people actually need a asylum and who are gang/drug cartel people. If you're so gung ho to let them all in then you house them in your bedroom since you trust them so much. Maybe they can sleep next to your illegal alien brother.

Wow. You're actually really afraid of these people. Its coming through in the seriousness of your posts.

How do you know there are gang/cartel people? What proof can you provide for your accusation? How are people not innocent until proven guilty?

How many people do you think there are down there?

How do you stand behind tear-gassing children?

I say take them in and process them in an orderly manner. Don't bother soldiers this stupid busy work that creates a tense situation.

[time4fun]

These people have a legal- and moral by the way- right to request asylum. They've been victimized in ways we can't imagine and have marched with their children across several countries in hopes that their kids won't have to live with (or die by) the violence in their home countries. They're doing what any decent, reasonable person would do. And asylum laws exist for a reason.

The lack of basic human compassion is unsettling. And PS, cartel members don't march thousands of miles to request asylum for fun. Cartels have money- they've got far easier ways to get someone into the country if they want. As usual, the insane fear-mongering on the right has absolutely no basis in reality.

[Ardwen]

You know whats odd, no one is mentioning the reason they were at the fences, the US and Mexican governments closed the bridges that allowed them to LEGALLY cross the border and apply for asylum, under US law they can only apply for asylum within the US at legal ports of entry, close the border and manufacture news stories. Not a damn thing that happened yesterday was necessary, it should not have happened, Trump and his cronies created this incident to stir up his base. Oddly at the same time this was occuring Russia attacked the Ukraine, guess what news got buried in the US, guess what has not been commented on once by the fool in the White House.

[audioserf]

You know whats odd, no one is mentioning the reason they were at the fences, the US and Mexican governments closed the bridges that allowed them to LEGALLY cross the border and apply for asylum, under US law they can only apply for asylum within the US at legal ports of entry

That part is noteworthy to me. There exists a legal process for applying for asylum, and if you deny access to the locations at which someone can legally seek asylum, I don't see how you've done anything other than create a pressure cooker and stir up some news coverage. There isn't an easy answer to the immigration issue but what happened over the weekend was just cold, IMO.

[Stumplicker]

How many people do you think there are down there?

How do you stand behind tear-gassing children?

I say take them in and process them in an orderly manner. Don't bother soldiers this stupid busy work that creates a tense situation.

About 5000, according to the MSNBC video is how many were being staged in the camp with food and water and showers and toilets. A camp of people seeking asylum due to drug cartel violence where they came from. Not in the camp. And according to their eyeball estimate, "around 1000" is how many charged the wall.

Processing them in an orderly manner is what was happening. Not as fast as they liked, so some of them charged the wall and threw rocks, making it a riot. Tear gas is...pretty much the go to in that situation. I don't think anyone would've preferred live ammunition. The border was closed, then re-opened a few hours later when the situation calmed down, so the orderly-fashion processing could continue.

And one last thing..and I cannot stress this hard enough...Do not bring your children to a riot. I'm pretty sure that's lesson number one in most parenting books.

I am all for granting asylum to those who seek it legitimately. They were and are being processed in an orderly fashion, and they're being given sustenance and shelter while they wait through that process. My only regret on the tear gas front is those who charged the wall ran away and now can blend right back in and go through the process again. Charging a border checkpoint should pretty much disqualify you from entry in my book. Asylum or not, if you want to charge the border without being processed, there are literally hundreds of miles with no checkpoints and you can just walk right through. You can't be all that smart if you choose the one spot for your illegal crossing where you're gonna get tear gassed. Asylum I'll happily subsidize. Stupidity I will not.

[beldannon5]

well they didn't have tear gas back then. You brought up Jesus which equates with Christians for me. I am saddened for the problems that people in other countries go through. However until we get the help for the people here already in the united states already letting 1000's of more people in doesn't seem smart. Of course I don't want them teargassed or separated from their families. While I am a Christian, I also don't believe in bein totally stupid, like you seem to want me to be vishra.

[time4fun]

well they didn't have tear gas back then. You brought up Jesus which equates with Christians for me. I am saddened for the problems that people in other countries go through. However until we get the help for the people here already in the united states already letting 1000's of more people in doesn't seem smart. Of course I don't want them teargassed or separated from their families. While I am a Christian, I also don't believe in bein totally stupid, like you seem to want me to be vishra.

You're not the only Christian on these boards, sorry. And there are plenty of Christians on the left. I would know. More to the point:


“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Matthew 25:31-46

Jesus never said "Take care of people when it's easy". He didn't have disclaimers on aid. We have aid to give, and he was extremely clear on what that means.

Not only do we have a legal obligation to take these people in and give them a chance to seek asylum, it's also a spiritual obligation for anyone who calls themselves a Christian. (And a moral obligation for everyone else)

And if you think- for a second- that Jesus is looking down on this situation and thinking, "Yeah, they definitely shouldn't be helping these people"- then you've been sleeping your way through Church.

[time4fun]

You know whats odd, no one is mentioning the reason they were at the fences, the US and Mexican governments closed the bridges that allowed them to LEGALLY cross the border and apply for asylum, under US law they can only apply for asylum within the US at legal ports of entry, close the border and manufacture news stories. Not a damn thing that happened yesterday was necessary, it should not have happened, Trump and his cronies created this incident to stir up his base. Oddly at the same time this was occuring Russia attacked the Ukraine, guess what news got buried in the US, guess what has not been commented on once by the fool in the White House.

This. A thousand times this.

[Stumplicker]

Don't bother soldiers this stupid busy work that creates a tense situation.

And another thing..soldiers weren't even involved in this. I'm on your side on a lot of issues, but did you even watch any of the videos? CBP, the people who were and are there anyway, processing all these people and protecting the border, as is their job, were the people involved.

[beldannon5]

why did I even post, talking to vishra is like talking to a deaf dumb and blind person. :) she won't hear anything can't see anything and can't speak anything. You always take parts of things and skew them to your idiotic ways and thoughts. I have much more to say, but as many others have done before I think I will just be done with Vishra because what's the point in talking to her//him

[Back]

And another thing..soldiers weren't even involved in this. I'm on your side on a lot of issues, but did you even watch any of the videos? CBP, the people who were and are there anyway, processing all these people and protecting the border, as is their job, were the people involved.

A slight tangent but still related. I don't think we should be deploying troops to our border with Mexico. Its completely unnecessary as Mexico is our neighbor and ally, there is already too much wasteful spending in the military, and everyone knows its bullshit anyway why make them do it? Happy Thanksgiving.

[time4fun]

A slight tangent but still related. I don't think we should be deploying troops to our border with Mexico. Its completely unnecessary as Mexico is our neighbor and ally, there is already too much wasteful spending in the military, and everyone knows its bullshit anyway why make them do it? Happy Thanksgiving.

It's also illegal when done with the express purpose of scaring people away from applying for asylum.

[Stumplicker]

It's also illegal when done with the express purpose of scaring people away from applying for asylum.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/migrants-armed-soldiers-border-59253578

Article titled: Migrants won't see armed US soldiers on border

"What's more, the bulk of the troops are in Texas — hundreds of miles away from the caravan that started arriving this week in Tijuana on Mexico's border with California after walking and hitching rides for the past month."

"Of the 5,800 soldiers and Marines, more than 2,800 are in Texas, while about 1,500 are in Arizona and another 1,300 are in California. All U.S. military branches, except the Coast Guard, are barred from performing law enforcement duties.

That means there will be no visible show of armed troops, said Army Maj. Scott McCullough, adding that the mission is to provide support to Customs and Border Protection."


It looks to me that the bulk of forces are placed where there are no checkpoints or fences or asylum seekers. I should mention that it looks that way to me because that's literally the case as stated and shown, and the fact that soldiers weren't involved in the source of this thread. Nor were any churches. You continue to make shit up as much as you need to to get the point you're trying to make across, though.

[Wrathbringer]

It's also illegal when done with the express purpose of scaring people away from applying for asylum.

We have the express right as a sovereign nation to defend our borders. Nothing illegal has been done. I realize this doesn't fit your narrative, so you'll ignore it.

[Wrathbringer]

why did I even post, talking to vishra is like talking to a deaf dumb and blind person. :) she won't hear anything can't see anything and can't speak anything. You always take parts of things and skew them to your idiotic ways and thoughts. I have much more to say, but as many others have done before I think I will just be done with Vishra because what's the point in talking to her//him

This is correct.

[Androidpk]

Russia attacked the Ukraine


https://www.businessinsider.com/why-ukraine-isnt-the-ukraine-and-why-that-matters-now-2013-12

[time4fun]

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/migrants-armed-soldiers-border-59253578

Article titled: Migrants won't see armed US soldiers on border

"What's more, the bulk of the troops are in Texas — hundreds of miles away from the caravan that started arriving this week in Tijuana on Mexico's border with California after walking and hitching rides for the past month."

"Of the 5,800 soldiers and Marines, more than 2,800 are in Texas, while about 1,500 are in Arizona and another 1,300 are in California. All U.S. military branches, except the Coast Guard, are barred from performing law enforcement duties.

That means there will be no visible show of armed troops, said Army Maj. Scott McCullough, adding that the mission is to provide support to Customs and Border Protection."


It looks to me that the bulk of forces are placed where there are no checkpoints or fences or asylum seekers. I should mention that it looks that way to me because that's literally the case as stated and shown, and the fact that soldiers weren't involved in the source of this thread. Nor were any churches. You continue to make shit up as much as you need to to get the point you're trying to make across, though.

You've apparently made up a whole argument in your mind, attributed it to me, and then debunked it before claiming some sort of rhetorical victory.

Kudos I guess?

[Stumplicker]

You've apparently made up a whole argument in your mind, attributed it to me, and then debunked it before claiming some sort of rhetorical victory.

Kudos I guess?

Your argument was that soldiers were being placed illegally along their own border to intimidate asylum seekers. Even you are not dumb enough to have forgotten the only sentence you just typed claiming that. I even quoted it for you, handily. The numbers of soldiers involved (0), and their orders show that that is incorrect. Furthermore, the places where there ARE soldiers stationed are not where asylum seekers are gathering, and even then their orders are to support CBP and not be seen.

So where's all this illegality you're talking about? Or is it possible you just made it up in your fantasy land? Hint: That WAS rhetorical.

[Gelston]

They charged the border. They threw rocks at CBP. It was done to keep the border from spiraling into chaos. What fucking more would you have them do?

From, what I've heard, Mexico is now going to deport the ones they caught participating though, which I wholeheartedly support. I don't expect much out of the Mexican Government though.

[Methais]

And then Jesus said- Tear gas the children

Still better than the farts you blow out of your dimply cottage cheese looking ass directly into your nose while you inhale deeply.


Well first, white evangelical support is why Trump is in office. So maybe let's not rush off and say that these are entirely separate concepts.

Secondly, no one is blaming Christians. But I am very much shaming Christians who claim to live their lives by Jesus's love but who support the way we've been treating asylum seekers who are fleeing violence in their own countries. Jesus had A LOT to say about how to treat these people, and none of it involved tear gas.

And if you're more offended by that than you are by the horrific way we're treating victims of violence who are in need of help, then maybe you need to get a life.

Jesus would have used a BFG 9000.

These aren't asylum seekers, and you're a fucking idiot, stfu. Asylym seekers typically don't storm the gates and attack and throw rocks at people and all that other retarded shit they're doing.

Why don't you go help your illegal brother before you preach to literally anyone else on the planet about how we don't do enough to help "immigrants" instead of spending all that money on text items for a 30 year old game instead? Then maybe you'll be taken a little bit seriously. Though probably not, because that's just one brick in your massive great wall of stupidity.

Retard.

[Gelston]

I like how people keep saying they have the "legal right" to ask for asylum. They have the legal right in the FIRST COUNTRY they come into, which was Mexico for the vast majority of them. Mexico offered it. Very, very few accepted it. After this point, those refusing are no longer asylum seekers. They are migrants.

[time4fun]

Your argument was that soldiers were being placed illegally along their own border to intimidate asylum seekers.


That would be an incorrect statement. The previous post was Back saying he didn't think we *should* be posting soldiers there- as in, a hypothetical. He gave some reasons for his argument, and I added one: it's illegal.

Do try to keep up dear.

[Gelston]

That would be an incorrect statement. The previous post was Back saying he didn't think we *should* be posting soldiers there- as in, a hypothetical. He gave some reasons for his argument, and I added one: it's illegal.

Do try to keep up dear.

It isn't illegal at all. They were not performing a law enforcement function and Posse Comitatus doesn't cover the Marines or the Navy at all.

[Methais]

That would be an incorrect statement. The previous post was Back saying he didn't think we *should* be posting soldiers there- as in, a hypothetical. He gave some reasons for his argument, and I added one: it's illegal.

Do try to keep up dear.

Which law is being broken by this?

Or rather, which law did the first result on Google tell you this is breaking?

[Gelston]

Which law is being broken by this?

Or rather, which law did the first result on Google tell you this is breaking?

Most of the US Troops weren't even armed. They were literally just performing manual labor to free up Border Patrols agents, as has been done several times in the past.

[Stumplicker]

and I added one: it's illegal.

Yeah no shit, you stupid fuck. I quoted it in my initial response. And no, it is not illegal, like I've now said three times. Unless you want to bust out a fake JD and provide us with what grounds you're calling it illegal?

[time4fun]

Yeah no shit, you stupid fuck. I quoted it in my initial response. And no, it is not illegal, like I've now said three times. Unless you want to bust out a fake JD and provide us with what grounds you're calling it illegal?

Yeah, major eye roll.

Stationing troops at the border with the express intent to discourage people from applying for Asylum IS illegal (as is closing off ports with the explicit intention of blocking them from requesting asylum). Congress, in accordance with our international treaty obligations, decided who is, and isn't, allowed to apply for Asylum (and what the criteria for acceptance are).

Intentionally interfering with those rights runs counter to the intention of the law and has landed the Executive in Court many times.

I get that you're desperate to "win" an argument- but try to stick to the actual arguments being made and the real facts of the matter.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah, major eye roll.

Stationing troops at the border with the express intent to discourage people from applying for Asylum IS illegal (as is closing off ports with the explicit intention of blocking them from requesting asylum). Congress, in accordance with our international treaty obligations, decided who is, and isn't, allowed to apply for Asylum (and what the criteria for acceptance are).

Intentionally interfering with those rights runs counter to the intention of the law and has landed the Executive in Court many times.

I get that you're desperate to "win" an argument- but try to stick to the actual arguments being made and the real facts of the matter.

That's not why troops are there. Again, this doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it in favor of continued retardation.

[Gelston]

Yeah, major eye roll.

Stationing troops at the border with the express intent to discourage people from applying for Asylum IS illegal (as is closing off ports with the explicit intention of blocking them from requesting asylum). Congress, in accordance with our international treaty obligations, decided who is, and isn't, allowed to apply for Asylum (and what the criteria for acceptance are).

Intentionally interfering with those rights runs counter to the intention of the law and has landed the Executive in Court many times.

I get that you're desperate to "win" an argument- but try to stick to the actual arguments being made and the real facts of the matter.

What is illegal about it, even if that is what they were doing (which it wasn't)? Tell me the specific Act stating it is illegal.

We've had the military there before, doing the exact same thing. Why hasn't some Judge out of San Francisco said anything?

[Roiken]

Why don't you go help your illegal brother before you preach to literally anyone else on the planet about how we don't do enough to help "immigrants" instead of spending all that money on text items for a 30 year old game instead? Then maybe you'll be taken a little bit seriously. Though probably not, because that's just one brick in your massive great wall of stupidity.

Retard.


so much LOL damn, man cant you say how you really feel just one time?

[SHAFT]

That's not why troops are there. Again, this doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it in favor of continued retardation.

Troops were sent to the border as a gimmick to get votes for the Nov 6th election.

There is no invasion at the US-Mexico border.

[Gelston]

Troops were sent to the border as a gimmick to get votes for the Nov 6th election.

There is no invasion at the US-Mexico border.

Yeah, forget the estimate 1000 people who tried to charge the border and were throwing rocks at CBP agents right? All while waving Honduran flags! No, no invasion, just peaceful migrants.

[Methais]

That's not why troops are there. Again, this doesn't fit your narrative so you'll ignore it in favor of continued retardation and keep spending all your cash on Simucoins instead of helping your illegal brother like a giant retarded hypocrite.

This is correct.

[Stumplicker]

Yeah, major eye roll.

Stationing troops at the border with the express intent to discourage people from applying for Asylum IS illegal (as is closing off ports with the explicit intention of blocking them from requesting asylum). Congress, in accordance with our international treaty obligations, decided who is, and isn't, allowed to apply for Asylum (and what the criteria for acceptance are).

Intentionally interfering with those rights runs counter to the intention of the law and has landed the Executive in Court many times.

I get that you're desperate to "win" an argument- but try to stick to the actual arguments being made and the real facts of the matter.

What are the real facts of the matter, then? You've given none. I gave you several real facts, up to and including that soldiers were being used for manual labor, in no law enforcement capacity, out of view of asylum seekers. And none of them were involved in the riot at the border. And that the majority of those soldiers are stationed in Texas, which has almost no border fence or wall at all.

If they're not seen, and not even in the same area as the people seeking asylum, how exactly are they being this imposing, illegal force trying to prevent people from seeking asylum? Fantasy is the only answer, given the real facts, as you say.

It's also illegal for a majestic fairy dragon to fly people over the border of Mexico without a passport into America. That doesn't mean it's happening.

[Methais]

Troops were sent to the border as a gimmick to get votes for the Nov 6th election.

There is no invasion at the US-Mexico border.

Why are they still there after the election then?


Yeah, forget the estimate 1000 people who tried to charge the border and were throwing rocks at CBP agents right? All while waving Honduran flags! No, no invasion, just peaceful migrants.

^

[SHAFT]

Yeah, forget the estimate 1000 people who tried to charge the border and were throwing rocks at CBP agents right? All while waving Honduran flags! No, no invasion, just peaceful migrants.

I get you're afraid of these immigrants. Mediocre white people should be afraid of losing their jobs to immigrants.

Assuming those mediocre white people have jobs to begin with...

The immigrants at the border don't bother me at all. I'm more concerned with the angry, gun-toting, fake Christians we have in the US.

[Gelston]

I get you're afraid of these immigrants. Mediocre white people should be afraid of losing their jobs to immigrants.

Assuming those mediocre white people have jobs to begin with...

The immigrants at the border don't bother me at all. I'm more concerned with the angry, gun-toting, fake Christians we have in the US.

I never said I was afraid of them. I have full faith in the CBP Agents to do their jobs. Fact is, there is a legal way to do thing. You assault CBP agents with rocks and try to charge through the border, you do not belong in this country.

[Androidpk]

I get you're afraid of these immigrants. Mediocre white people should be afraid of losing their jobs to immigrants.

Assuming those mediocre white people have jobs to begin with...

The immigrants at the border don't bother me at all. I'm more concerned with the angry, gun-toting, fake Christians we have in the US.

American Taliban and Vanilla ISIS pose a much larger threat to this country than asylum seeking immigrants.

[Gelston]

American Taliban and Vanilla ISIS pose a much larger threat to this country than asylum seeking immigrants.

And they need to be taken care of too, but that isn't CBP's job. Unless you are saying there are those folks coming in with the Migrants, that have already refused asylum in Mexico?

[Methais]

http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/strawman.png

Ah yes, just what I expected.

[Avaia]

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

-Matthew 5:3-10

[Gelston]

Cool. The Bible is very clear on following the laws of man too. Go ahead and cherry pick, but it is made pretty clear.

[Tgo01]

And then Jesus said- Tear gas the children

Fucks given by time4fun when Obama was tear gassing children: 0

[Tgo01]

These people have a legal- and moral by the way- right to request asylum.

They have the legal right to LEGITIMATE request to asylum. They don't have the legal right to abuse our laws and our generosity to ask for asylum when they know they it's not a legit request.

Also all they have to do is go to a port of entry and request asylum, that's how it's done. What they DON'T have the right to do is storm our border illegally and throw rocks at our patrol agents and soldiers if they can't get it. It's like you try to be the most retarded person that has ever lived.

[Tgo01]

You know whats odd, no one is mentioning the reason they were at the fences, the US and Mexican governments closed the bridges that allowed them to LEGALLY cross the border and apply for asylum

Oh stop. You're acting like they were lining up peacefully waiting their turn. They were literally storming the border just like an invasion just like Trump said.

[Ardwen]

Actually until they barricaded the border no one was storming anything. Watch something besides the Fox Propaganda Network once in a while. Next you will agree with the border patrol guy that said pepper spray is just like what you put on nachos and you could eat it.

[Tgo01]

Actually until they barricaded the border no one was storming anything. Watch something besides the Fox Propaganda Network once in a while. Next you will agree with the border patrol guy that said pepper spray is just like what you put on nachos and you could eat it.

You're telling me everything was nice and peaceful and civil and they were patiently waiting their turn to apply for asylum then for no good reason the US and Mexican governments decided to close up the border which caused the chaos? I would love to see some videos on this.

[Androidpk]

Watch something besides the Fox Propaganda Network once in a while. Next you will agree with the border patrol guy that said pepper spray is just like what you put on nachos and you could eat it.

He also watches Info Wars.

[time4fun]

Cool. The Bible is very clear on following the laws of man too. Go ahead and cherry pick, but it is made pretty clear.

Yeah, the "laws of man" clearly state that these people have a legal right to apply for asylum. So I'm not sure what kind of point you think you're making, but if you seriously believe that this is how Jesus would want us to treat migrants in need- you're even more morally bankrupt than I thought.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, the "laws of man" clearly state that these people have a legal right to apply for asylum.

Mexico offered them all asylum and almost all of them turned it down. Almost as if they don't really want asylum...weird.

[SHAFT]

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

-Matthew 5:3-10

If only Christians in this country walked what they talk.

[Tgo01]

If only Christians in this country walked what they talk.

Christians are among the most charitable group of people on the planet, including the US. But I guess since the US doesn't have complete and total open borders and an open immigration system it means we are literally the devil.

Does the left ever tire of hating on Christians for no reason? It's like they have to manufacture shit to bash Christians with. At least you didn't pull an Obama and go all the way back to the Crusades, so kudos for you there, SHAFT.

[Candor]

Yeah, the "laws of man" clearly state that these people have a legal right to apply for asylum.

Yes...US law allows this, and someone can even apply at the point of entry to the US. But I don't think that, in general, an immigration judge would positively view someone who decided to ignore applying at the point of entry, rushing through the border with many others in violation of US law, and then applying for asylum within the US.

I'm not totally up-to-speed on what's been happening. If the forces stationed at the border are actually preventing people from applying for asylum, then I can't agree with the actions being taken.

[SHAFT]

I never said I was afraid of them. I have full faith in the CBP Agents to do their jobs. Fact is, there is a legal way to do thing. You assault CBP agents with rocks and try to charge through the border, you do not belong in this country.

What about the women and toddlers (obviously the ones who didn’t throw rocks) who arrived by foot to seek legal asylum?

Can they come in?

[SHAFT]

Christians are among the most charitable group of people on the planet, including the US. But I guess since the US doesn't have complete and total open borders and an open immigration system it means we are literally the devil.

Does the left ever tire of hating on Christians for no reason? It's like they have to manufacture shit to bash Christians with. At least you didn't pull an Obama and go all the way back to the Crusades, so kudos for you there, SHAFT.

If you’re a trump supporter, you’re not a Christian.

If you call yourself a Christian and you support trump, you’re lying to yourself.

I doubt jesus would support the grabbing of pussies, walls being built, or tear gas fired at unarmed immigrants. I could go on, but you probably don’t get the point.

[Tgo01]

If the forces stationed at the border are actually preventing people from applying for asylum, then I can't agree with the actions being taken.

I have yet to read or see anything that suggests this is what happened other than people here flapping their gums. What I have seen countless videos of is people rushing the border, trying to climb the fence, and throwing rocks at our border patrol agents. Maybe they closed up the border AFTER this chaos unfolded, but I have yet to see any evidence suggesting everything was peaceful and orderly until the mean ol' US government closed the checkpoints.

[Tgo01]

If you’re a trump supporter, you’re not a Christian.

You're right, I'm not a Christian, never have been.


I doubt trump would support the grabbing of pussies, walls being built, or tear gas fired at unarmed immigrants.

Trump? Did you mean Jesus?

Also it's a pretty dumb thing to try and suggest what Jesus would or would not have supported, especially considering how much our society has changed. This is always the remark of a loser who doesn't know how to argue their point.

[SHAFT]

You're right, I'm not a Christian, never have been.



Trump? Did you mean Jesus?

I did. Caught it after I typed it.

Maybe you are a trump supporter, but you’re not a Christian.

Maybe you’re a Christian, but you’re not a trump supporter.

You can’t be both.

[Ardwen]

You haven't seen any evidence they closed the crossing? the damned white house announced it. Unless you think they are fake news too.

[Candor]

I have yet to read or see anything that suggests this is what happened other than people here flapping their gums. What I have seen countless videos of is people rushing the border, trying to climb the fence, and throwing rocks at our border patrol agents. Maybe they closed up the border AFTER this chaos unfolded, but I have yet to see any evidence suggesting everything was peaceful and orderly until the mean ol' US government closed the checkpoints.

Obviously order has to be maintained. If these folks are simply just trying to force their way into the US and are throwing things are border patrol agents, then an appropriate response is warranted. Again, I'm not completely up-to-speed on what's been happening.

[SHAFT]

You haven't seen any evidence they closed the crossing? the damned white house announced it. Unless you think they are fake news too.

The trump administration is the biggest purveyor of fake news out there. KAC and SHS are #fakenews masters.

[Gelston]

Yeah, the "laws of man" clearly state that these people have a legal right to apply for asylum. So I'm not sure what kind of point you think you're making, but if you seriously believe that this is how Jesus would want us to treat migrants in need- you're even more morally bankrupt than I thought.

Still don't want to address why you are saying it is illegal for troops to be near the border? I'm waiting to hear from you on that. Tell me the Act.

[SHAFT]

Still don't want to address why you are saying it is illegal for troops to be near the border? I'm waiting to hear from you on that. Tell me the Act.

Probably not illegal, but definitely a compete waste of tax payer money.

[Tgo01]

You haven't seen any evidence they closed the crossing? the damned white house announced it. Unless you think they are fake news too.

I said I have seen no evidence that the crossing being closed is what caused the chaos. That is people were rushing the border and climbing the fence prior to the crossing being closed. If you have some evidence to provide that everything was peaceful and everyone was following the law prior to this and the US closed all access for people to lawfully apply for asylum and THEN everyone started rushing the border and climbing the fence I would love to see it.

And even then, EVEN THEN, are you suggesting temporarily closing the crossing gives these people the right to illegally rush our border and climb the border fence and throw rocks at our patrol agents? What theory are you working under that suggests lawlessness is suddenly lawful because Trump is a meanie head?

[Gelston]

Probably not illegal, but definitely a compete waste of tax payer money.

She is convinced it is. I want to know, according to what? If it is the Posse Comitatus Act, it isn't. If they were being used directly on the border in a law enforcement capacity, without Congressional Approval, then a case can be made for THAT being illegal... Except for the Navy and Marine Corps which the act doesn't cover. None of that matters though, because that isn't how they were being used. They were setting up wire and tent cities. It was mostly military engineers sent there. The majority of them were unarmed.

[Gelston]

And hell, there is even an argument to be said that Federal troops can operate on the border in a Law Enforcement capacity due to the Roosevelt Reservation, which declares 60 feet from the border, along the border, is Federal Government property.

[Methais]

What about the women and toddlers (obviously the ones who didn’t throw rocks) who arrived by foot to seek legal asylum?

Can they come in?

What about the fact that Mexico offered these people asylum and they turned it down? What are your thoughts on that?

[Methais]

Yeah, the "laws of man" clearly state that these people have a legal right to apply for asylum. So I'm not sure what kind of point you think you're making, but if you seriously believe that this is how Jesus would want us to treat migrants in need- you're even more morally bankrupt than I thought.

Jesus would tell you to put down the Simucoins and help your brother before telling the rest of us to help random assholes storming the border illegally, especially since you claim to make more money than everyone here combined and all, right?

Is your Simucoin addiction that out of control? Or are you just that much of a cheap steaming pile of dogs logs?

[Neveragain]

If only Christians in this country walked what they talk.

How many illegal families have you opened your home to or even a homeless person that's already a citizen?

[Tgo01]

Remember when Acosta acted like a jackass and lost his press pass because of said jackassery? Did anyone who defend him actually listen to the so called "question" he asked? He flat out said the "migrants" in this caravan would NOT be jumping the fence and rushing the border. This was part of his "question", that they would NOT be doing that.

So is anyone who defended Acosta's actions going to call him out for being a lying piece of shit who was editorializing the situation rather than asking a question, and was in fact completely 100% wrong in his editorializing?

Anyone? Anyone at all? Just one person? Hello? This thing on?

[Parkbandit]

And then Jesus said- Tear gas the children

It's sad when parents use their children like this.

Or at the very least: Illustrate to their children that they don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Also: I don't believe in Jesus.. so your sarcastic cunty attitude fell on deaf ears.

[Gelston]

Remember when people rushed the border in 2013 and CBP employed pepper spray on them? Pepperdige Farm remembers.

Look, I understand the majority of ignorant as fuck about CS/CN gas. I'm not. I've been exposed to it a lot of times. In the open, it is irritating as fuck and makes you want to leave the area. It isn't going to kill you. It isn't going to effect you in any permanent way. It is going to make a group disperse. Which is exactly what they needed to do at this point.

[Tgo01]

Remember when people rushed the border in 2013 and CBP employed pepper spray on them? Pepperdige Farm remembers.

Yeah but Obama was president so no one cared. Just like no one cared when Obama was putting children in cages but suddenly cared when they thought Trump was doing that. And people will still defend this blatant disregard for journalism.

[Parkbandit]

Well first, white evangelical support is why Trump is in office. So maybe let's not rush off and say that these are entirely separate concepts.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xIroX3rtDKV1sY/giphy.gif

You and people like you are the reason we have Trump. You nominated Hillary in a crooked fashion and that energized the Republicans.

[Parkbandit]

A slight tangent but still related. I don't think we should be deploying troops to our border with Mexico. Its completely unnecessary as Mexico is our neighbor and ally, there is already too much wasteful spending in the military, and everyone knows its bullshit anyway why make them do it? Happy Thanksgiving.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3otWpLo0K8a66jhVQs/giphy.gif

I think we sometimes forget how utterly stupid you are.

Welcome back :)

PS - Drunk Tuesday is tomorrow. Don't let us down!

[Parkbandit]

That would be an incorrect statement. The previous post was Back saying he didn't think we *should* be posting soldiers there- as in, a hypothetical. He gave some reasons for his argument, and I added one: it's illegal.




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[Parkbandit]

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-border-patrol-rock-throwing-san-ysidro-2013nov25-story,amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Remember when the Obama Administration used pepper spray against people at the border in 2013?

Yea.. because it was never reported.

You people are just useful idiots. "OMG TRUMP USED TEAR GAS! HE'S HITLER!"

Fucking retards.

[Parkbandit]

Probably not illegal, but definitely a compete waste of tax payer money.

Relax.. you'll still get your WIC check.

[Parkbandit]

I get you're afraid of these immigrants. Mediocre white people should be afraid of losing their jobs to immigrants.

Assuming those mediocre white people have jobs to begin with...

The immigrants at the border don't bother me at all. I'm more concerned with the angry, gun-toting, fake Christians we have in the US.

If that is your benchmark.. you must be scared to death of Donald Trump.

[beldannon5]

I am a Christian and a Trump supporter. Don't tell me what I can and can't be. Do I support everything about Trump of course not. I believe he was and still is a better choice then Hillary was. Nice to see there are a few people on here that aren't totally delusional like vishra and shaft.

[Stumplicker]

If you’re a trump supporter, you’re not a Christian.

If you call yourself a Christian and you support trump, you’re lying to yourself.

Is Christendom really the hill you want to die on? In a thread that has nothing to do with Christians?

Couple hundred years of sanctioned invasion and murder of Muslims in their own homeland? Check.
Hanging women for being too smart? Check.
Sanctioned torture of heretics from Langue D'oc to Jerusalem to the New World for more than half a millennium? Half. A millennium. Check.
Institutionalized support of slavery? Check.

And that's literally just off the top of my head. You could go on for volumes about the atrocities committed in the name of Christendom. But being a supporter of a particular president (which I'm not, in case you're thinking that's my reason for this), noooo, that's going TOO FAR. You're not a real Christian until you've committed genocide in the name of puritanical beliefs. Anything less and you're just lying to yourself.

To be clear to anyone who is a Christian, no, I don't think bad things about modern Christians in general. Because when you generalize stuff in an incredibly diverse group of over 2 billion people, you are guaranteed to be wrong every single time. No matter what you're saying. I would say that most modern Christians do not condone any of the things done by Christians throughout history, but to ignore all that and say "You're not a Christian if you support Trump.", I have to say: get off your high horse. Jesus probably didn't give a fuck about your politics and I'm pretty sure he's sick of you using him in your arguments by now. Especially this badly.

[Astray]

So I was looking for a story about rocks being thrown at the border and I got landscaping tips.

Well.

[Gelston]

So I was looking for a story about rocks being thrown at the border and I got landscaping tips.

Well.

I mean, you suck at searching I guess.
https://nypost.com/2018/11/25/us-agents-fire-tear-gas-at-migrants-in-start-of-border-clashes-with-mexico/

[Astray]

I put "rocks thrown at border".

Google hive-mind, man. Fucking with us already.

[Gelston]

I put "rocks thrown at border".

Google hive-mind, man. Fucking with us already.

I put rocks thrown at cbp agents

[Avaia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyDgYtgc4f8

[Astray]

Wasn't a violent already deported felon caught at that incident?

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyDgYtgc4f8

"Trying to seek asylum" was about as far as I got in that dumb video, which is just 9 seconds into the video.

Migrants "seeking asylum" is just another bullshit catch phrase the left has made up to oversimplify complex issues so their base can feel smug and superior for attacking those who are more interested in an actual discussion. It's just like "common sense gun control."

Fact: Mexico already offered all of these people asylum in their country and the vast majority turned it down, so the "seeking asylum" argument is already bullshit.
Fact: Mexico has already had to deport dozens of people in this caravan because they were committing crimes and causing problems in their country.
Fact: They can seek asylum at a US port of entry.
Fact: Illegally entering the country is a crime.
Fact: Illegally entering the country in order to avoid our laws and THEN claiming asylum if you are caught points towards you not really being an asylum seeker and instead are abusing our laws in order to gain an advantage over those who go about the process legally.
Fact: The US has by far the most immigrants in the entire world, accounting for nearly 20% of worldwide immigrants.
Fact: Shut up.

[Tgo01]

Well look at that. (https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/26/msnbc-reporter-migrant-caravan-mostly-male/)

Yeah yeah yeah it's the Daily Caller, ignore the article and just watch the video if you have delicate sensibilities.

It's a video from MSNBC where the anchor tries really hard to hammer home that Trump is a bad orange man and he lies when he says the caravan is mostly men, so she asks a field reporter that is inside the caravan to speak the truth so everyone can know what a bad man Trump is!!!

Then the guy not only says that most of the people in the caravan are indeed men, but some of the men he spoke to aren't even interested in asylum, they just want to get into the US so they can make money.

Well shit! Sure sounds like an invasion to me! How can anyone on the left even defend this absolute bullshit anymore? Once again the media is asking you to believe your own eyes and ears are lying to you and once again you all do so gladly.

You all may now commence with the MAGA troll, Nazi, racist, and bigot remarks, since we all know that's all you guys even know anymore.

[~Rocktar~]

And then Jesus said- Tear gas the children

And Liberals rose up and made a great noise at the tear gassing of children used as human shields while attempting to illegally enter the country. "Woe is them who have suffered. It would be better had we slaughtered them in the womb."


Well first, white evangelical support is why Trump is in office. So maybe let's not rush off and say that these are entirely separate concepts.

Secondly, no one is blaming Christians. But I am very much shaming Christians who claim to live their lives by Jesus's love but who support the way we've been treating asylum seekers who are fleeing violence in their own countries. Jesus had A LOT to say about how to treat these people, and none of it involved tear gas.

And if you're more offended by that than you are by the horrific way we're treating victims of violence who are in need of help, then maybe you need to get a life.

Asylum seekers and refugees would take the first offer afforded them. They are not seeking asylum they are invading. The moment they turned down the Mexican offer, they ceased being refugees.

[Methais]

Because when you generalize stuff in an incredibly diverse group of over 2 billion people, you are guaranteed to be wrong every single time. No matter what you're saying.

Chinese people eat the fuck out of rice.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l41K0CawHHwVTLPAA/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Wow. You're actually really afraid of these people. Its coming through in the seriousness of your posts.

How do you know there are gang/cartel people? What proof can you provide for your accusation? How are people not innocent until proven guilty?

Perhaps the stories by reporters down there interviewing people who admit to being gang members is a big tip off.


How many people do you think there are down there?

How do you stand behind tear-gassing children?

I say take them in and process them in an orderly manner. Don't bother soldiers this stupid busy work that creates a tense situation.

A lot, around 5k or more. Did you whine when Obama had people tear gassed when they tried this shit in 2013? I am far less concerned with tear gassing anyone than I am with shooting them which could happen. How many are you personally going to take in and support for at least 1 and possibly 2 generations? Defending the nation, securing it's borders and such is not stupid busy work but your saying it is speaks volumes about how little you regard this nation that has afforded you so much.

[Stumplicker]

There definitely is such a thing as a legitimate asylum seeker, which is why processing of the people in the camp is being completed in the first place. It was not being done fast enough for the tastes of some, and they rioted. However, here's a graph. This is estimated mexican immigration over time.

https://immigration.procon.org/files/1-illegal-immigration-images/population-of-immigrants-in-the-country-illegally-2016.PNG

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

Notice how the spike starts in the 1990s when the economy started blowing up in the US? Notice how it illegal immigration hits net zero right as the US economy tanks? Most of the numbers show that the primary force behind many illegal immigrations is economic in nature. There's nothing wrong with (edited: wanting to emigrate). Who wouldn't want an opportunity at a better life? But it also suggests that that for many, requests for "asylum" are simply being used as a loophole fast-track to citizenship rather than being based on an actual need. Those applications need to be weeded out and be sent through normal immigration processes like anyone else, and by all accounts, that's exactly what's being done.

[Tgo01]

Most of the numbers show that the primary force behind many illegal immigrations is economic in nature. There's nothing wrong with that. Who wouldn't want an opportunity at a better life?

There is lots wrong with illegal immigration.

[Stumplicker]

Chinese people eat the fuck out of rice.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l41K0CawHHwVTLPAA/giphy.gif

Boom! Lawyered!

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2016/09/wheat--not-rice-grows-here/

"It's too dry to grow rice in central and western China, so farmers grow staples like wheat, barley, and corn."

[~Rocktar~]

You know whats odd, no one is mentioning the reason they were at the fences, the US and Mexican governments closed the bridges that allowed them to LEGALLY cross the border and apply for asylum, under US law they can only apply for asylum within the US at legal ports of entry, close the border and manufacture news stories. Not a damn thing that happened yesterday was necessary, it should not have happened, Trump and his cronies created this incident to stir up his base. Oddly at the same time this was occuring Russia attacked the Ukraine, guess what news got buried in the US, guess what has not been commented on once by the fool in the White House.

And yet, all they had to do was wait, in camps with food and hygiene paid for by Mexico and nothing would have happened.

When you spend weeks saying you are going to storm the border to enter illegally, when you get to the border and people act like they are taking you at your word and treat you as if you are going to storm the border, then you storm the border, then perhaps it isn't the border patrol or the country you want to enter into illegally that is the problem.

Also, CNN and many other Leftist news agencies have ignored the story about the Ukraine because it doesn't hurt Trump. Instead they have chosen to focus on this and on the ridiculous climate change report in an ongoing effort to attack Trump. Your disgust is misplaced at best and disingenuous and feigned at worst.

[Stumplicker]

There is lots wrong with illegal immigration.

Yes, that's true. I sort of mixed what I was saying there. Wanting to emigrate for a chance at a better life is fine. Doing it illegally is not.

[~Rocktar~]

And one last thing..and I cannot stress this hard enough...Do not bring your children to a riot.

Why not, Hamas has a long tradition of using children as human shields and paying their parents for blood on TV? It gets all the European and North Eastern bleeding heart Liberals up in arms at Israel. Not to mention allowing them to sell the story to the middle east filled with stupid, gullible and uneducated people.

[Gelston]

Why not, Hamas has a long tradition of using children as human shields and paying their parents for blood on TV? It gets all the European and North Eastern bleeding heart Liberals up in arms at Israel. Not to mention allowing them to sell the story to the middle east filled with stupid, gullible and uneducated people.

Use of children isn't new even in our own media. A hundred years ago they used to take pictures of 8 year old coal miners. There weren't actually any 8 year old coal miner. They staged the pictures. Those ranchers in Nevada that were standing off against the Bureau of Land Management had pregnant women there. It isn't a left or right thing. Everyone does this shit.

[~Rocktar~]

And here's more now that I have gone through the whole thread


These people have a legal- and moral by the way- right to request asylum. They've been victimized in ways we can't imagine and have marched with their children across several countries in hopes that their kids won't have to live with (or die by) the violence in their home countries. They're doing what any decent, reasonable person would do. And asylum laws exist for a reason.

The lack of basic human compassion is unsettling. And PS, cartel members don't march thousands of miles to request asylum for fun. Cartels have money- they've got far easier ways to get someone into the country if they want. As usual, the insane fear-mongering on the right has absolutely no basis in reality.

No they don’t. Reasonable people would work to improve their home. If you are unwilling to rise up, fight and die to take back your own country, then you have no right to live elsewhere as free people. It’s what our ancestors did to pay for our freedoms.
Your assumptions about cartel and gang members are disturbingly naïve and merely confirm your blindness to reality.



Actually until they barricaded the border no one was storming anything. Watch something besides the Fox Propaganda Network once in a while. Next you will agree with the border patrol guy that said pepper spray is just like what you put on nachos and you could eat it.
So, it’s ok to riot and rush the border trying to gain illegal entry because you became impatient and didn’t want to wait your turn. What a load of bullshit.

[Gelston]

No they don’t. Reasonable people would work to improve their home. If you are unwilling to rise up, fight and die to take back your own country, then you have no right to live elsewhere as free people. It’s what our ancestors did to pay for our freedoms.



Well no, they left and came to the colonies.

[~Rocktar~]

Democrats are for illegal aliens getting to enter, gain citizenship and vote because the vast majority of first generation immigrants vote Democrat since they don't have a feel for how badly Liberalism and Democrats have fucked things up. Plain and simple, the DNC leadership see it as a path to power much as they have used the black community as voting and economic slaves in the past. Well, the black community is waking up and getting off the Democrat reservation and now they need a new ride to power, enter the illegal . . .

Our immigration laws need to change from chain immigration, lotteries and other BS to weight more on who can benefit the country, who won't be a drain and only to immediate family at best.

You know what would prevent the majority of this border rushing, bullshit migration of shitbags in a super humane way? A wall. You can bet if first generation immigrants voted Republican the wall would already have been completed.

[~Rocktar~]

Well no, they left and came to the colonies.

Nope. They came here to seek fame and fortune, escape religious persecution, were deported here for crimes, mostly tax evasion and homelessness and were still citizens of and subject to the empire. They didn't start out with the idea of breaking off and making a new nation. People got pissed at shitty taxes and no chance at self governance and so they rose up, paid the price in blood, toil and treasure to make a new nation. We have paid in blood, toil and treasure for 242 years to get where we are, have the economy, development and position we have. If other countries want what we have, they have to pay their own price in blood, toil and treasure because nothing else will secure it for them.

[Gelston]

Nope. They came here to seek fame and fortune, escape religious persecution, were deported here for crimes, mostly tax evasion and homelessness and were still citizens of and subject to the empire. They didn't start out with the idea of breaking off and making a new nation. People got pissed at shitty taxes and no chance at self governance and so they rose up, paid the price in blood, toil and treasure to make a new nation. We have paid in blood, toil and treasure for 242 years to get where we are, have the economy, development and position we have. If other countries want what we have, they have to pay their own price in blood, toil and treasure because nothing else will secure it for them.

Some fled here to escape religious persecution, others to escape criminal charges, others for money. Gee, sounds a lot like those migrants doesn't it? Don't try to act like anyone anywhere is different. Everyone is the same. We just have the better country right now.

[~Rocktar~]

Some fled here to escape religious persecution, others to escape criminal charges, others for money. Gee, sounds a lot like those migrants doesn't it? Don't try to act like anyone anywhere is different. Everyone is the same. We just have the better country right now.

The point, you missed it.

And no, he "migrants" are basically wanting to come here and possibly get work to send money home or to live off our welfare system which would support them better than they have at home while they send money home. They are not seeking asylum they are seeking handouts.

[Gelston]

The point, you missed it.

And no, he "migrants" are basically wanting to come here and possibly get work to send money home or to live off our welfare system which would support them better than they have at home while they send money home. They are not seeking asylum they are seeking handouts.

No, you missed the point. They are traveling for the exact same reason as the colonists before. Thing is, there aren't anymore colonies for them to go to. I guess there is that island with the archery bois off India. Still, same reason as the people in the past.

Also, looks like CHP wasn't going to have it either.

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46955899_2222832194644428_520583833372852224_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=d029d7085bbcffc1b3c90aa861113c1e&oe=5CA5D5DE

[sellstuff1]

Use of children isn't new even in our own media. A hundred years ago they used to take pictures of 8 year old coal miners. There weren't actually any 8 year old coal miner. They staged the pictures. Those ranchers in Nevada that were standing off against the Bureau of Land Management had pregnant women there. It isn't a left or right thing. Everyone does this shit.

You're fucking retarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_boy

[Wrathbringer]

Democrats are for illegal aliens getting to enter, gain citizenship and vote because the vast majority of first generation immigrants vote Democrat since they don't have a feel for how badly Liberalism and Democrats have fucked things up. Plain and simple, the DNC leadership see it as a path to power much as they have used the black community as voting and economic slaves in the past. Well, the black community is waking up and getting off the Democrat reservation and now they need a new ride to power, enter the illegal . . .

Our immigration laws need to change from chain immigration, lotteries and other BS to weight more on who can benefit the country, who won't be a drain and only to immediate family at best.

You know what would prevent the majority of this border rushing, bullshit migration of shitbags in a super humane way? A wall. You can bet if first generation immigrants voted Republican the wall would already have been completed.

This is all correct. Build the wall.

[Methais]

You're fucking retarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_boy

lol cwolff

[Methais]

Why do retards like time4fun keep ignoring the fact that Mexico offered these people asylum and they turned it down? That doesn't seem very asylum seeker like to me.

[~Rocktar~]

Why do retards like time4fun keep ignoring the fact that Mexico offered these people asylum and they turned it down? That doesn't seem very asylum seeker like to me.

Because they are stuck on "What does not fit my narrative does not exist." It's a time honored trick of the Left, simply ignore anything they don't like as if it were a trickle of water at the base of their pedestal of moral superiority and this beneath them.

[Methais]

Because they are stuck on "What does not fit my narrative does not exist." It's a time honored trick of the Left, simply ignore anything they don't like as if it were a trickle of water at the base of their pedestal of moral superiority and this beneath them.

Hey time4fun, what are your thoughts on Mexico already offering these people asylum and them turning it down?

[Stumplicker]

And we're still waiting for your reasoning on how using troops for manual labor in the background in Texas is illegally intimidating to hopeful immigrants on the California border. Maybe they're holed up in churches, firing tear gas canisters over the border with mortars for funsies?!

[~Rocktar~]

The official statement by DHS Secretary Nielsen:

Wall of text incoming, emphasis added to critical points.


SECRETARY NIELSEN: Good afternoon. It is my pleasure to be here because I would love to see if I can help explain some of what is going on and give you some of the facts. I know there have been a lot put out there but hopefully we clarify some things today. I just wanted to start by thanking the sheriffs of the United States, I had the privilege of speaking to them this morning at the National Sheriffs’ Association Conference. We are so thankful for their partnership here at DHS and all they do to protect our communities so, I thank them. I want to provide you an update on the illegal immigration crisis on our Southern Border and the efforts the Administration is taking to solve this crisis and to stop the flood of illegal immigrants, drugs, contraband, and crime coming across the border. So let’s just start with a few numbers and facts.

So, in the last three months we have seen illegal immigration on our Southern Border exceed 50,000 people each month – multiples over each month last year. Since this time last year, there has been a 325 percent increase in Unaccompanied Alien Children and a 435 percent increase in family units entering the country illegally. Over the last ten years, there has been a 1,700% increase in asylum claims, resulting in an Asylum Backlog today, in our country of 600,000 cases.

Since 2013, the United States has admitted more than half a million illegal immigrant minors and family units from Central America – most of whom today, are at large in the United States.

At the same time, large criminal organizations such as MS-13 have violated our borders and gained a deadly foothold within the United States.

This entire crisis, just to be clear, is not new. It has been occurring and expanding over many decades. Currently, it is the exclusive product of loopholes in our federal immigration laws that prevent illegal immigrant minors and family members from being detained and removed to their home countries. In other words, these loopholes create a functionally open border. Apprehension without detention and removal is not border security.

We have repeatedly called on Congress to close these loopholes. I myself have met with as many members that have been willing to meet with me, I’ve testified seven times. I will continue to make myself available to ask that they work with us to solve this crisis. Yet, the voices most loudly criticizing the enforcement of our current laws are those whose policies created this crisis – and whose policies perpetuate it.

In particular, we need to reform three major loopholes, let me quickly walk you through them. First, we need to amend the 2008 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act or TVPRA, which is much easier to say – this law encourages families to put children in the hands of smugglers to bring them alone on the dangerous trek northward. And make no mistake, we’ve talked about this before, this trek is dangerous and deadly.

Second, we need to reform our asylum laws to end the systemic abuse of our asylum system and stop fraud. Right now our asylum system fails to assist asylum seekers who legitimately need it. We are a country of compassion, we are a country of heart, we must fix the system so that those who truly need asylum can, in fact, receive it.

Third, we need to amend the Flores Settlement agreement and recent expansions which would allow allow for family detention during the removal process – and we need Congress fund our ability to hold families together through the immigration process.

Until these loopholes are closed by Congress, it is not possible – as a matter of law – to detain and remove whole family units who arrive illegally in the United States.

Congress and the courts created this problem, and Congress alone can fix it. Until then, we will enforce every law we have on the books to defend the sovereignty and security of the United States. Those who criticize the enforcement of our laws, have offered only one counter-measure: open borders – the quick release of all illegal alien families, and the decision not to enforce our laws. This policy would be disastrous, its prime beneficiaries would be the smuggling organizations themselves, and the prime victims would be the children who would be plunged into the smuggling machines and gang recruitment on the trip north.

There is a lot of misinformation about what DHS is and is not doing as it relates to families at the border, and I want to correct the record.

Here are the facts:

First, this Administration did not create a policy of separating families at the border.

We have a statutory responsibility that we take seriously to protect alien children from human smuggling, trafficking, and other criminal actions, while enforcing our immigration laws.

We have a long existing policy – multiple administrations have followed – that outline when we may take action to protect children.

We will separate those who claim to be parent and child if we cannot determine a familial or custodial relationship exists. For example, if there is no documentation to confirm the claimed relationship between an adult and a child.

We do so if the parent is a national security, public or safety risk, including where there are criminal charges at issue, and it may not be appropriate to maintain the family in detention together.

We also separate a parent and child if the adult is suspected of human trafficking. There have been cases where minors have been used and trafficked by unrelated adults in an effort to avoid detention. I’ll stop here to say that in the last five months, we’ve had a 314 percent increase in adults and children arriving at the border fraudulently claiming to be a family unit. This is, obviously, of concern.

And separation can occur when the parent is charged with human smuggling. Under those circumstances, we would detain the parent in an appropriate, secure detection facility, separate from the child.

What has changed is that we no longer exempt entire classes of people who break the law. Everyone is subject to prosecution.

When DHS refers a case against a parent or legal guardian for criminal prosecution, the parent or legal guardian will be placed into U.S. Marshals Service custody for pre-trial detention pursuant to an order by a federal judge and any accompanying child will be transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services and will be reclassified as an Unaccompanied Alien Child.

That is in accordance with the TVPRA—a law that was passed by Congress—and a following court order – neither are actions the Trump Administration has taken.

And let’s be clear – if an American were to commit a crime anywhere in the United States, they would go to jail and be separated from their family. This is not a controversial ideal.

Second, children in DHS and HHS custody are being well taken care of.

The Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement provides meals, medical care, and educational services to these children. They are provided temporary shelter, and HHS works hard to find a parent, relative, or foster home to care for these children.

Parents can still communicate with their children through phone calls and video conferencing.

And a parent who is released from custody can be a sponsor and ask HHS to release the child back into their care.

Further, these minors can still apply for asylum and other protections under U.S. immigration law if eligible.

We take allegation of mistreatment seriously and I want to stress this point. We investigate, we hold those accountable when and if it should occur. We have some of the highest detention standards in the country. Claiming these children and their parents are treated inhumanely is not true, and completely disrespects the hardworking men and women at the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

Third, parents who entered illegally are—by definition—criminals.

Illegal entry is a crime as determined by Congress.

By entering our country illegally—often in dangerous circumstances—illegal immigrants have put their children at risk.

Fourth, CBP and ICE officers are properly trained to care for minors in their custody.

DHS and HHS treats all individuals in its custody with dignity and respect, and complies with all laws and policy.

This reinforces and reiterates the need to consider the best interest of the children and mandates adherence to established protocols to protect at-risk populations, to include standards for the transport and treatment of minors in DHS and HHS custody.

Additionally, all U.S. Border Patrol personnel on the southwest border are bilingual. Every last one of them. They are directed to clearly explain the relevant process to apprehended individuals, and provide detainees with written documentation—in both Spanish and English—that lays out the process and appropriate phone numbers to contact.

And finally, DHS is not separating families legitimately seeking asylum at ports of entry.

If an adult enters at a port of entry and claims asylum, they will not face prosecution for illegal entry. They have not committed a crime by coming to the port of entry.

As I mentioned, DHS does have a responsibility to protect minors and in that case as well, we will only separate the family if we cannot determine there is a familial relationship; if the child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian; or if the parent or legal guardian is referred for prosecution.

We have a duty to protect the American people, and it’s one that I take very seriously.

Here is the bottom line: DHS is no longer ignoring the law. We are enforcing the laws as they exist on the books. As long as illegal entry remains a criminal offense, DHS will not look the other way. DHS will faithfully execute the laws enacted by Congress as we are sworn to do.

As I said earlier today, surely it is the beginning of the unraveling of democracy when the body who makes the laws – instead of changing them – tells the enforcement body not to enforce the law.

I ask Congress to act this week so that we can secure our borders and uphold our humanitarian ideas. These two missions should not be pitted against each other. If we close the loopholes we can accomplish both.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/dhs-secretary-nielsens-remarks-illegal-immigration-crisis

[Gelston]

You're fucking retarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_boy

Sorry, I can't hear you over your massive racism.


How many sand niggers did you kill?


Oh I'm so mad right now I might just kill a nigger.

[Methais]

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Video:
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1067165937307131904

:lol:

[Gelston]

rofl. Watched that video. I barely saw any women and I don't think I saw any children. Tons of men.

[Methais]

rofl. Watched that video. I barely saw any women and I don't think I saw any children. Tons of men.

I'm sure time4fun will go out of her way to not tell us her thoughts on this.

[Gelston]

I'm sure time4fun will go out of her way to not tell us her thoughts on this.

No, she'll just call everyone dumb and say only the big boys should be in this conversation. I always found that a weird way to say "I don't know wtf I'm talking about."

[Methais]

No, she'll just call everyone dumb and say only the big boys should be in this conversation. I always found that a weird way to say "I don't know wtf I'm talking about."

So she admitted to having a penis?

I knew it.

[RichardCranium]

No, she'll just call everyone dumb and say only the big boys should be in this conversation. I always found that a weird way to say "I don't know wtf I'm talking about."

Gelly, you're out of your element.

[Gelston]

Gelly, you're out of your element.

I've combined all of the elements and became Captain Planet.

[RichardCranium]

...even the fifth element?

[Gelston]

...even the fifth element?

https://medias.spotern.com/spots/w640/13912-1532336916.jpg

[Archigeek]

Why do retards like time4fun keep ignoring the fact that Mexico offered these people asylum and they turned it down? That doesn't seem very asylum seeker like to me.

Source?

[rolfard]

...even the fifth element?

9213

[Androidpk]

Source?

Mexican government is saying this is BS and they never offered asylum to anyone.

[Gelston]

Source?

https://www.euronews.com/2018/10/27/central-american-migrants-reject-mexico-s-offer-of-asylum


Mexican government is saying this is BS and they never offered asylum to anyone.

Source? I can only find the most recent thing which has nothing to do with their earlier offer of asylum to the migrants, back in October. They are denying there is a deal in place with the US and Mexico, about a completely different matter.

[Stumplicker]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45999610

https://globalnews.ca/news/4602056/mexico-migrant-caravan-asylum/


Mexican government is saying this is BS and they never offered asylum to anyone.

Source?

[SHAFT]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45999610

https://globalnews.ca/news/4602056/mexico-migrant-caravan-asylum/



Source?

Is there a difference in temporary work permits from Honduras to Mexico? Probably not...

[Fortybox]

This thread is dumb and smells like farts.

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[Stumplicker]

Is there a difference in temporary work permits from Honduras to Mexico? Probably not...

Temporary resident visas are part of Mexico's naturalization process. You have to live in the country for 4 consecutive years to qualify for a permanent resident visa. Incidentally, a temporary residence visa is good for up to four years, provided you renew it once per year, thus establishing your four consecutive years of residence.

[SHAFT]

Temporary resident visas are part of Mexico's naturalization process. You have to live in the country for 4 consecutive years to qualify for a permanent resident visa. Incidentally, a temporary residence visa is good for up to four years, provided you renew it once per year, thus establishing your four consecutive years of residence.

Nah, these people walked thousands of miles to throw rocks and illegally vote.

[Gelston]

Nah, these people walked thousands of miles to throw rocks and illegally vote.

They rode in buses for most of that and apparently some did come to throw rocks because... You know, they sorta did. However, if you're coming to the US because the jobs are better than in Mexico, a place that offered asylum that you refused, you are no longer and asylum seeker.

[Tgo01]

Nah, these people walked thousands of miles to throw rocks and illegally vote.

First of all they were catching rides on buses and trucks the vast majority of that journey.

Second of all so what are you saying exactly? They claim (Well it's mostly Democrats claiming) that they want asylum, Mexico offered them asylum, they turned it down. Sure sounds like they don't want asylum but they want something else. What do you think they want?

[drauz]

https://i.imgur.com/vbIAQEB.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

Nah, these people walked thousands of miles to throw rocks and illegally vote.

You're retarded.

[Methais]

Nah, these people walked thousands of miles to throw rocks and illegally vote.

Stop trying so hard to be retarded. At least I hope you’re trying.

[Fortybox]

FARTS!!!!1111one

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[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/vIWNVqH.png

[~Rocktar~]

So, private citizens are building more wall than our do nothing, fuck all Congress. Great job!


https://youtu.be/Dw5nIfeXq-0

[Wrathbringer]

So, private citizens are building more wall than our do nothing, fuck all Congress. Great job!


https://youtu.be/Dw5nIfeXq-0

Democraps are screwing the country rather than work with trump. They also figure that once all these illegals can vote, they'll vote democrap so why stop them from coming in illegally? When history looks back on the fall of America, they'll rightly blame democraps.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Set a record yesterday or the day before, over 1000 illegals at one time rushed the border.

I would call that an invasion, not immigration. Merits armed response, to me anyway.

[Methais]

Set a record yesterday or the day before, over 1000 illegals at one time rushed the border.

I would call that an invasion, not immigration. Merits armed response, to me anyway.

We need Mega Maid and her vacuum at the border.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tfumux/images/c/c5/Mega-Maid.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090629230919

[Tgo01]

Estimates now say there will be over 1 million border crossing arrests for the entire year of 2019.

Note that isn't how many illegal aliens will enter the country this year, that's just how many will be caught. When are Democrats going to pull their heads out of their asses and realize this is a serious issue and not just a Trump manufactured crisis?

1 million arrests is .3% of our entire population, assuming we catch even 1 in 3 border crossers (we probably catch far less), that means illegal immigration IN ONE YEAR is going to equal 1% of our entire nation's population.

But surely they are all peaceful, fun loving Latinos who just want to mow our lawns and watch our children.

[Gelston]

As long as 1/4th are banging ass latinas I got no problem

[Tgo01]

As long as 1/4th are banging ass latinas I got no problem

Sexist.

[Gelston]

Sexist.

Racist.

[Tgo01]

Racist.

Homophobe.

[Ashlander]

As long as 1/4th are banging ass latinas I got no problem

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cvuUDLV9jVY/Uw3UKqsD-tI/AAAAAAABQNs/tJGucc2CuoU/s320/MexicanMaid.jpg
For you!

[Some Rogue]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cvuUDLV9jVY/Uw3UKqsD-tI/AAAAAAABQNs/tJGucc2CuoU/s320/MexicanMaid.jpg
For you!

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[Parkbandit]

Estimates now say there will be over 1 million border crossing arrests for the entire year of 2019.

Note that isn't how many illegal aliens will enter the country this year, that's just how many will be caught. When are Democrats going to pull their heads out of their asses and realize this is a serious issue and not just a Trump manufactured crisis?

1 million arrests is .3% of our entire population, assuming we catch even 1 in 3 border crossers (we probably catch far less), that means illegal immigration IN ONE YEAR is going to equal 1% of our entire nation's population.

But surely they are all peaceful, fun loving Latinos who just want to mow our lawns and watch our children.

To be fair.. it's working as intended from the Democrat perspective. They want a crisis. They want illegals in this country because they believe that if they win the House, Senate and Presidency, they can just use amnesty to gain access to 20 million + new voters.

[Gelston]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cvuUDLV9jVY/Uw3UKqsD-tI/AAAAAAABQNs/tJGucc2CuoU/s320/MexicanMaid.jpg
For you!

I mean, I said banging ass latinas. She isn't bad though.