Jamal Khashoggi dismembering and murder

[sellstuff1]

Read this, it's from the White House so you can click it and it won't take your guns away.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-donald-j-trump-standing-saudi-arabia/

Here’s a note to all the conservatives in this thread in the most civil language I can manage:

Have you read the statement the White House issued? Don’t rely on a news summary; read it.

Your leader wrote (or dictated) an official White House statement explaining that he has decided to continue to do business with a despot who killed a US resident in a foreign embassy. That is the most generous interpretation of yesterday’s statement.

But before he gets on topic, he spends three paragraphs defending the Saudi war in Yemen and celebrating KSA arms deals.

Then there’s one mealy-mouthed four sentence paragraph addressing the murder itself, before your leader repeats - at greater length than the prior paragraph- Saudi talking points casting the WaPo journalist as a terrorist.

As a final middle finger salute to justice, your leader concludes by relaying not-so-veiled Saudi threats to cut off oil and destroy jobs if the US holds the Saudis accountable in any material way. He is essentially saying “Nice economy you got here, would be a shame if you let your values get in the way”.

Your leader is a coward; and in letting MBS off the hook, he’s complicit. The world knows it, and you know it.

[Methais]

Shut up cwolff

[Taernath]

How many sand niggers did you kill?

Yikes.

[Astray]

So are you still making fun of soldier suicides or...?

[Gelston]

Yikes.

Haha, I never even noticed that.

So Clairette advocates soldier suicides and is racist too. What a winner.

[Astray]

Haha, I never even noticed that.

So Clairette advocates soldier suicides and is racist too. What a winner.

Bro, that's not even the first offense.

[RichardCranium]

*Our leader wrote (or dictated)...

[Androidpk]

CIA has recording of Saudi Crown Prince (MBS) giving order to silence Khashoggi.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/9zcv3a/cia_has_recording_of_saudi_crown_prince_giving/

Honestly, not sure what he should do. When dealing with international affairs and especially shit like this I’m of the personal belief you have to take a “Game of Thrones” view of the world.

Magnitsky sanctions on MBS is the response needed. And stopping arms sales to SA as well as pulling all support for the war in Yemen.

[Archigeek]

For one man?

You honestly think people at that level should care about a person who’s not even a citizen? Come on man, you’ve been in the military, when your LT tells you to run out and draw enemy fire so we can all see where these fuckers are shooting from he’s putting a strategic value on your life. It’s no different here.

You think this is about one man? Don't be so obtuse.

[Wrathbringer]

Magnitsky sanctions on MBS is the response needed. And stopping arms sales to SA as well as pulling all support for the war in Yemen.

You're stupid. Over one guy we can't even prove was involved? Gtfo.

[Androidpk]

For one man?

You honestly think people at that level should care about a person who’s not even a citizen? Come on man, you’ve been in the military, when your LT tells you to run out and draw enemy fire so we can all see where these fuckers are shooting from he’s putting a strategic value on your life. It’s no different here.

American resident. And maybe you should look up the Magnitsky Act and how they came to be. And there is no strategic value to Saudi Arabia, we should have cut ties with them decades ago.

[Androidpk]

You think this is about one man? Don't be so obtuse.

Millions at risk in Yemen, on top of all those whom have already died to disease and famine.

[Wrathbringer]

American resident. And maybe you should look up the Magnitsky Act and how they came to be. And there is no strategic value to Saudi Arabia, we should have cut ties with them decades ago.

God you're retarded. Diplomacy is bigger than one journalist.

[Gelston]

And there is no strategic value to Saudi Arabia, we should have cut ties with them decades ago.

This is where you are retarded.

[Seizer]

American resident.
I am failing to understand why you keep stating this. If you were a resident of China but citizen of Taiwan, and then decided to go to Mongolia and visit the Taiwan embassy, then were murdered there. It’s the responsibility of China to investigate or take a heavy handed approach against Taiwan? It’s awful this man was murdered I get that. I don’t understand why it’s the president’s responsibility to take action when the he was not a citizen nor murdered in the US.

[Neveragain]

I am failing to understand why you keep stating this. If you were a resident of China but citizen of Taiwan, and then decided to go to Mongolia and visit the Taiwan embassy, then were murdered there. It’s the responsibility of China to investigate or take a heavy handed approach against Taiwan? It’s awful this man was murdered I get that. I don’t understand why it’s the president’s responsibility to take action when the he was not a citizen nor murdered in the US.

It's impossible to make them happy. Take the tariffs on China who trades with NOKO and uses child labor, their panties get all in a twist over the tariffs. One person gets murdered in SA and they want to cut all ties. Totally spastic.

[Methais]

This is already 1000000000000x more left wing (faux) outrage than there was over Benghazi where actual Americans got murdered and our leaders were at best indirectly responsible.

[SHAFT]

For one man?

You honestly think people at that level should care about a person who’s not even a citizen? Come on man, you’ve been in the military, when your LT tells you to run out and draw enemy fire so we can all see where these fuckers are shooting from he’s putting a strategic value on your life. It’s no different here.

You’re trolling. You have to be...

[SHAFT]

This is already 1000000000000x more left wing (faux) outrage than there was over Benghazi where actual Americans got murdered and our leaders were at best indirectly responsible.

So much uproar over Benghazi, yet nothing over Niger, which was caused by trumps idiotic Muslim ban including Chad.

Lots of selective outrage.

[Wrathbringer]

So much uproar over Benghazi, yet nothing over Niger, which was caused by trumps idiotic Muslim ban including Chad.

Lots of selective outrage.

The ban from majority muslim countries was upheld by the supreme court. Get over it.

[Methais]

So much uproar over Benghazi, yet nothing over Niger, which was caused by trumps idiotic Muslim ban including Chad.

Lots of selective outrage.

That's what happens when your name is Chad.

Fucking Chad.

[Tgo01]

Let's all remember that Obama ordered an air strike that killed a US citizen. Yes, a US citizen. And the left didn't care, I'm pretty sure bipolarpk hardly even gave it a mention. But now we're losing our collective shit over this and we should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia? Can someone, ANYONE, please explain to me why the left constantly wants to alienate our allies and cozy up to our enemies? Dump Saudi Arabia but treat Iran with kid gloves? Then the left complains that it's really Republicans who want to alienate our allies and cozy up with our enemies. The projection and gas lighting is beyond belief.

[Tgo01]

Let's all remember that Obama ordered an air strike that killed a US citizen. Yes, a US citizen. And the left didn't care, I'm pretty sure bipolarpk hardly even gave it a mention. But now we're losing our collective shit over this and we should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia? Can someone, ANYONE, please explain to me why the left constantly wants to alienate our allies and cozy up to our enemies? Dump Saudi Arabia but treat Iran with kid gloves? Then the left complains that it's really Republicans who want to alienate our allies and cozy up with our enemies. The projection and gas lighting is beyond belief.

And hey here's a bonus! I didn't even give Obama shit for killing that piece of shit American terrorist.

[Androidpk]

Let's all remember that Obama ordered an air strike that killed a US citizen. Yes, a US citizen. And the left didn't care, I'm pretty sure bipolarpk hardly even gave it a mention. But now we're losing our collective shit over this and we should cut all ties with Saudi Arabia? Can someone, ANYONE, please explain to me why the left constantly wants to alienate our allies and cozy up to our enemies? Dump Saudi Arabia but treat Iran with kid gloves? Then the left complains that it's really Republicans who want to alienate our allies and cozy up with our enemies. The projection and gas lighting is beyond belief.

Khashoggi wasn't a terrorist but even if he was many people, myself included, heavily criticized Obama for the drone strike that killed al-Awlaki and his son.

[Tgo01]

Khashoggi wasn't a terrorist but even if he was many people, myself included, heavily criticized Obama for the drone strike that killed al-Awlaki and his son.

Sure you did.

[Gelston]

Sure you did.

He wasn't a massive libtard back then.

[Tgo01]

This is all I could find in regards to Androidpk "heavily criticizing" Obama for killing al-Awlaki:


I'd say I am a little concerned over this. The guy was never actually convicted of anything, I don't even think he's been charged. Due process? What?

Whoa now, pk! Calm down there! You're so vicious in your attacks on Obama! You're "a little concerned over this?" My God! Obama has a family!

Here is what I said, so it doesn't just look like I bashed Obama 24/7 and defend Trump 24/7:


Oh no, I wonder how much sleep I'll lose tonight knowing some piece of shit wasn't given a trial before being blown to bits.

To be fair pk did have this to say about this dude's son being killed:


What about the targeted assassination of al-Awlaki's 16 year old son, who was also an American citizen? Where was his due process? Was this child, who was in Yemen at the time, such a threat that he had to be killed? There is no justifiable reason for this and those who authorized it should be tried for murder.

He doesn't even mention Obama, much less say Obama himself should be tried for murder. Trump sneezes and Androidpk creates 10 different threads stating how the sneeze proves Trump is a white supremacist and needs to be impeached, Obama authorizes the killing of American citizens without a trial and he's "a little concerned over it" and vaguely states "those who authorized it" should be tried for murder without even mentioning Obama's name and he has maybe half a dozen posts talking about this, and he considers this "heavily criticizing Obama."

[Androidpk]

You are one sad little MAGA puppet.

[Tgo01]

You are one sad little MAGA puppet.

These are harsher words than you had for Obama ordering US citizens being murdered.

[Wrathbringer]

You are one sad little MAGA puppet.

Couch couch

[Methais]

You are one sad little MAGA puppet.

Was he lying about anything he said in that post? Or are you just being your usual bitch self?

[Androidpk]

Trump is refusing to allow the CIA Director Haspel brief the Senate on what the CIA knows regarding Saudi Arabia and Khashoggi. I'm not even a little bit surprised.

[Seizer]

Trump is refusing to allow the CIA Director Haspel brief the Senate on what the CIA knows regarding Saudi Arabia and Khashoggi. I'm not even a little bit surprised.
Perhaps you missed it because of Thanksgiving, but refer to my post.

... I don’t understand why it’s the president’s responsibility to take action when he was not a citizen nor murdered in the US.
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?118159-Jamal-Khashoggi-dismembering-and-murder&p=2067506#post2067506

[~Rocktar~]

Trump is refusing to allow the CIA Director Haspel brief the Senate on what the CIA knows regarding Saudi Arabia and Khashoggi. I'm not even a little bit surprised.

Maybe he thinks it might not be smart to publicly confirm how much and what methods we use to spy on our "allies" huh?

[~Rocktar~]

Perhaps you missed it because of Thanksgiving, but refer to my post.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?118159-Jamal-Khashoggi-dismembering-and-murder&p=2067506#post2067506

This is correct.

[Androidpk]

Maybe he thinks it might not be smart to publicly confirm how much and what methods we use to spy on our "allies" huh?

Right, because he really cares about US allies. No, the real reason is he doesn't want to hurt his chances of continuing to receive $$$$ from Saudi Arabia.

[Wrathbringer]

Right, because he really cares about US allies. No, the real reason is he doesn't want to hurt his chances of continuing to receive $$$$ from Saudi Arabia.

you're nearly as stupid as time4dung

[~Rocktar~]

Right, because he really cares about US allies. No, the real reason is he doesn't want to hurt his chances of continuing to receive $$$$ from Saudi Arabia.

It has not one thing to do with caring about our allies, it has a lot to do with pissing them off and/or letting the true extent of our spying abilities be known. But you are a moron and no amount of rational thought will ever sink into your little pea brain.

[Androidpk]

It has not one thing to do with caring about our allies, it has a lot to do with pissing them off and/or letting the true extent of our spying abilities be known. But you are a moron and no amount of rational thought will ever sink into your little pea brain.

LOL infowars believer

[~Rocktar~]

LOL infowars believer

Proving my point day after day.

[Androidpk]

After listening to CIA Director Haspel brief them Senator Graham says he can no longer support the Saudi Arabia arms deal as long as Mohammed Bone Saw is in power.

[Androidpk]

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman would be convicted of the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in “30 minutes” if there were a jury trial, Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker said Tuesday after being briefed by the CIA.

Corker (R-Tenn.) and members of both parties expressed unbridled rage at Salman in the aftermath of the briefing from CIA Director Gina Haspel, which focused primarily on how Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi Arabian consulate in Turkey earlier this year. The State and Defense departments briefed senators last week, but they demanded to hear from Haspel after that meeting.

“I have zero question in my mind that the crown prince directed the murder … zero question,” Corker said. “Let me just put it this way. If he was in front of a jury he would have a unanimous verdict in 30 minutes. A guilty verdict.”

[~Rocktar~]

Corker is shit and needs indicted on real estate fraud, he is a RINO and always has been. Khashoggi isn't an American citizen. The US has sold weapons and uranium to, given money to and been in bed with people far worse than the Saudi's for decades so what else is new. We should sell them the weapons simply to keep them from buying them from our enemies AND to help drain their dwindling cash reserves.

Democrat's faux outrage over this is just another example of their situational ethics in action.

[Seran]

It's amazing to see how brainwashed folks are when they're attacking their own party with absolutely no evidence at all. Even when their president's own pick for the CIA states the guy is a murderer.

People like you are what'll cause the next civil war. With Sean Hannady as the new General E Lee

[Androidpk]

Corker is shit and needs indicted on real estate fraud, he is a RINO and always has been. Khashoggi isn't an American citizen. The US has sold weapons and uranium to, given money to and been in bed with people far worse than the Saudi's for decades so what else is new. We should sell them the weapons simply to keep them from buying them from our enemies AND to help drain their dwindling cash reserves.

Democrat's faux outrage over this is just another example of their situational ethics in action.

And what about the Republicans that are outraged over this? Is that faux too? Is everything you disagree with faux or evil and you're just the only person on Earth that knows what's real or not?

[Gelston]

There was a better way to handle this, but I don't know what it is. I don't think ties with Saudi should be cut for one man, especially one that is not a US citizen. I mean, he was a Saudi citizen and he was killed on Saudi territory, within Turkey.

Maybe the seizure of Saudi Royal assets equating to a certain amount that is located in the US.

[Tenlaar]

I don't think ties with Saudi should be cut for one man, especially one that is not a US citizen.

I think that when we accept "one man" and give them a Resident status, that should include the full protection of the United States. I also think that heads of state murdering foreign reporters in embassies is an issue that goes far beyond just the death of "one man."

[Gelston]

I think that when we accept "one man" and give them a Resident status, that should include the full protection of the United States. I also think that heads of state murdering foreign reporters in embassies is an issue that goes far beyond just the death of "one man."

He was a Saudi citizen. He wasn't killed in the US.

[Methais]

This thread keeps showing up as unread even though it's read. So I'm posting this in hopes it will fix it.

If it doesn't, fuck youuuuuuu!!!!!111

[Androidpk]

There was a better way to handle this, but I don't know what it is. I don't think ties with Saudi should be cut for one man, especially one that is not a US citizen. I mean, he was a Saudi citizen and he was killed on Saudi territory, within Turkey.

Maybe the seizure of Saudi Royal assets equating to a certain amount that is located in the US.

We have a procedure for handling foreign government officials that commit crimes against humanity, the Magnitsky Act. Sanction MBS and the others involved. Pulling support for the Yemen War as well would be a good thing as well.

[Tenlaar]

He was a Saudi citizen. He wasn't killed in the US.

He was a US resident with a visa that we granted him. Like I said, I think that granting somebody that visa and resident status should also grant them the full protection of the United States. To me that would include the appropriate response when somebody decides to murder them.

Also, heads of state having people murdered in embassies is it's own entire can of worms and is something that nobody should be accepting of. Allowing that to go unpunished will damage the political process worldwide.

[Androidpk]

And Obama ordered the killings of a full US citizen, his 16 year old son (who was born in the USA), and his 8 year old daughter (also born in the ISA), so what’s your point?

"But Obama" is not a good enough reason not to do anything over a government luring a US resident into a diplomatic embassy under false pretenses and torturing then murdering him.

[Taernath]

It’s trench warfare for a lot of people around the world including in many parts of the US. Wake up!

What parts of the US are engaged in "trench warfare"?

[Seizer]

What parts of the US are engaged in "trench warfare"?

Maybe Detroit. That city is f’d up

[Taernath]

Inner city Chicago, the deluge of cop slayings both on blue and against civilians,cartel-ridden SouthWest are the common mainstream problem points. But there are also the stories in white middle America that noone talks about (because the mainstream media gives two shits about white people): the dead-zone of eroding legacy jobs, a massive Opioid epidemic that targets whites across the economic spectrum, and the general hallowing out of Christian values for future generations that made this country what it is today.

Read a major city’s local papers and you see for yourself. That beautiful 19 yr-old midwestern girl who grew up behind white picket fences found dead in the streets of Baltimore after getting used up by her drug-dealer/pimp. That father of four after facing bankruptcy and a long stretch of depression killing his family then blowing his brains out. It’s pretty bad on a personal level more so than usual imho. But what I know for a fact is just because you ain’t feeling it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

That's all very dramatic, but what does that have to do with Khashoggi? Are you saying because shitty things happen it should just be overlooked?

[Androidpk]

Your arguement is that it’s immoral and violates the values and principles of the United States, clearly this is not true if we’re willing to do the samething on full US citizens and children.

This world isn’t so rosy and feel-good as you think it is. Most people here lived charmed lives for the most part and don’t realize it. It’s trench warfare for a lot of people around the world including in many parts of the US. Wake up!

So by that logic we shouldn't care if someone nuked a city somewhere right now because the US nuked Japan in WW2.

[Androidpk]

Nuking a city and incinerating 300,000 people is slightly different on the “oh that’s just wrong” factor than the slaying of one man.

You’re trying to justify intervention against an entire country (de facto as MBS is effectively the king now) through moral outrage. This is fine, therefore, I’m giving you examples of equal and worse moral actions vis a vis Obama’s predator killings to point out the hypocrisy of what you’re trying to do. Where was all this moral outrage then? Why is Obama exempt from the left’s righteous moral justice on the assassination(s) of (actual) US citizens? (children to boot)

Sanctioning MBS isn't intervention against all of Saudi Arabia. You're the one trying to compare the US killing a known terrorist vs Saudi Arabia killing a US resident who was a journalist, not a terrorist. This has nothing to do with Obama. Obama isn't the President right now. Trump is.

[Tgo01]

"But Obama" is not a good enough reason not to do anything over a government luring a US resident into a diplomatic embassy under false pretenses and torturing then murdering him.

Yeah Androidpk already said he was "mildly concerned" over what Obama did, surely that's enough.

[Tgo01]

Sanctioning MBS isn't intervention against all of Saudi Arabia. You're the one trying to compare the US killing a known terrorist vs Saudi Arabia killing a US resident who was a journalist, not a terrorist. This has nothing to do with Obama. Obama isn't the President right now. Trump is.

The 2018 Androidpk sure is different than past Androidpk models.

2012 Androidpk: I'm mildly concerned about the US killing a US citizen without due process. Also someone should be tried for murder for killing his teenage son.
2018 Androidpk: LOL! They were terrorists, what difference does it make?

[Parkbandit]

Is it bad that I'm more concerned about Khashoggi murder than I was about Obama ordering a drone strike on a known terrorist?

[Tgo01]

Is it bad that I'm more concerned about Khashoggi murder than I was about Obama ordering a drone strike on a known terrorist?

No, I didn't give a shit that Obama droned a terrorist to death either. It's just funny watching Androidpk jump through these hoops to justify that we have to punish Saudi Arabia as much as possible for killing a US resident when he hardly gave two shits about Obama murdering actual US citizens, and now watching him downplay Obama's killings by referring to them as terrorists when before he was calling for someone to be tried for murder.

[Androidpk]

Because the dude’s 16 y/o son and 8 y/o daughter were all highly dangerous terrorists masterminding the next big attack. Both born in Colorado btw, English their only language, 8 y/o loved Beyonce.

Tragic that it happened but it has no relevance to Khashoggi being lured into a diplomatic embassy and butchered. Your whataboutisms are trite and lame.

[Androidpk]

Khashoggi and other persecuted journalists named Time's person of the year for 2018.

[Wrathbringer]

Khashoggi and other persecuted journalists named Time's person of the year for 2018.

Must have been a slow year.

[Gelston]

Wow, journalists decided to name journalists.

[Parkbandit]

Wow, journalists decided to name journalists.

LOL I thought the same thing.

Time never stops getting more self serving.