State of Maryland asks judge to declare Rosenstein acting AG

[Androidpk]

The state contends that Whitaker was unlawfully named acting attorney general, and so he has no authority to respond to their lawsuit. (https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/667180873/maryland-says-matthew-whitaker-appointment-as-acting-attorney-general-is-unlawfu)

The state seeks a preliminary injunction that prevents the federal government from responding to the suit while Whitaker appears as acting attorney general. Instead, Maryland requests a declaration that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is the acting attorney general.

[Tgo01]

So are you in favor of a judicial takeover of the executive branch or what?

[Fortybox]

subpoena subpoena!!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Hlz9uW90sUctSCs/giphy.gif

[Neveragain]

What’s Trump’s authority for superseding the AG Succession statute? He’s undoubtedly invoking the Vacancies Reform Act of 1998 (VRA), which provides (5 U.S.C. § 3345(a)(3)) that the President “may direct an officer or employee of [an] Executive agency to perform the functions and duties of [a] vacant office,” provided that the officer or employee has served, for at least 90 days during the year before the vacancy, in a position for which the pay is at least the level of GS-15—a criterion that Matthew Whitaker satisfies.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPhONuz1SpCONiM/giphy.gif

[Neveragain]

History of the VRA:


The legislation was introduced in the US Senate on June 16, 1998 as S. 2176 of the 105th Congress. The sponsor of the bill was Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee, then chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee. Cloture was not invoked to have a final vote on this bill in the Senate. The division was mainly on partisan lines with mostly Republicans in support of the bill. The cloture vote failed on September 28, 1998 by a margin of 53-38. West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd was the only Democrat voting in favor of closing debate.[5]

No action was seen in the House on this bill, however the legislation was added to the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999 (H.R. 4328), which finished the appropriations process for Congress for Fiscal Year 1999. The omnibus bill passed the House of Representatives on October 20, 1998 by a vote of 333–95.[6] It then passed the Senate the following day on October 21, 1998 by a vote of 65–29.[7] President Clinton signed the bill the same day

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/20/clinton_laughing.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

The state contends that Whitaker was unlawfully named acting attorney general, and so he has no authority to respond to their lawsuit. (https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/667180873/maryland-says-matthew-whitaker-appointment-as-acting-attorney-general-is-unlawfu)

The state seeks a preliminary injunction that prevents the federal government from responding to the suit while Whitaker appears as acting attorney general. Instead, Maryland requests a declaration that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is the acting attorney general.

Yeah but where are those death threats?

[Androidpk]

There's also this hot mess:


"Federal Trade Commission filed a civil suit against this World Patent Marketing, describing it as 'an invention-promotion scam that has bilked thousands of consumers out of millions of dollars.' Among its alleged victims are many disabled American veterans. Now, the company is facing possible criminal scrutiny from the FBI, all while one of the company’s top officials is running the Justice Department."

[Neveragain]

Whitaker was not named among the defendants in the case against the firm.

Your source: The guardian

Party endorsed: Liberal democrats

Maybe use Mother Jones as a source too.

[Wrathbringer]

There's also this hot mess:


"Federal Trade Commission filed a civil suit against this World Patent Marketing, describing it as 'an invention-promotion scam that has bilked thousands of consumers out of millions of dollars.' Among its alleged victims are many disabled American veterans. Now, the company is facing possible criminal scrutiny from the FBI, all while one of the company’s top officials is running the Justice Department."

Death threats death threats

[Neveragain]

Rich white liberal woman who pretends to be an American Indian, totally OK and gets reelected by Democrats.

Dude who is not involved in a case = evil scumbag

Signed ~ Todays Democrat party

[Androidpk]

Feinstein has requested that the Senate Judiciary Committee hold hearings immediately with Whitaker and Sessions to determine the integrity of the DoJ. Good call.

[Methais]

Yeah but where are those death threats?

When he was in the process of pulling them out of his ass, time4fun surprised him with her new tree trunk dildo in the only way she knows how, and now the death threats are packed in way too tight. It's expected to at minimum, take several months, hundreds of laxatives, and a can of WD-40 to induce mass sharting with the force required to dislodge them from the depths of his destroyed flaccid goatsehole.

Even then, experts say that the chances of success are very slim. They say it's a simple case of physics, but what do I know, I don't have a PhD in that stuff.

[Neveragain]

Feinstein has requested that the Senate Judiciary Committee hold hearings immediately with Whitaker and Sessions to determine the integrity of the DoJ. Good call.

I would tell her to fuck off, she's already created one shit show this year and needs to face her own integrity hearing.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/SclN4PM.jpg

Whitaker used to be Sam Clovis' campaign chairman, meaning even if his appointment was legitimate he would have to recuse himself from the OSC investigation.

[time4fun]

Your source: The guardian

Party endorsed: Liberal democrats

Maybe use Mother Jones as a source too.

You quoted a fake news site like 3 days ago.

You should probably stop talking now.

[Neveragain]

You quoted a fake news site like 3 days ago.

You should probably stop talking now.

You mean the "fake news site" that you know, told the truth and didn't leave out facts like "by the way, the guy we're trying to smear was never accused of any wrong doing", that "fake news" site?

[Methais]

You quoted a fake news site like 3 days ago.

You should probably stop talking now.

You said Blizzard pays $5m a month to run one WoW server because the first result on Google to some tard blog told you so.

You weren't being sarcastic.

You should probably stop talking yesterday.

[Neveragain]

Now for some fake news from the real news but is really just fake news.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sef4YT2s6i4

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjI789af0AVurF60/giphy.gif

The headline should really read "Holy fuck! we're on the verge of a constitutional crisis, bring out the aliens!"

[Wrathbringer]

You quoted a fake news site like 3 days ago.

You should probably stop talking now.

You're a retard.

You should probably stop talking now.

[Tgo01]

You quoted a fake news site like 3 days ago.

You should probably stop talking now.

You totally made up “facts” several times yesterday, you should have stopped talking months ago.

[Methais]

You're a retard.

You should probably stop talking now.

This is correct.

[time4fun]

You mean the "fake news site" that you know, told the truth and didn't leave out facts like "by the way, the guy we're trying to smear was never accused of any wrong doing", that "fake news" site?

I mean the propaganda site that has a history of intentionally pushing false and misleading news.

For you to be criticizing anyone's sources is hysterical. PS If the only way you can justify your views is by resorting to HEAVILY biased sites that play fast and loose with the truth- then it's time to rethink your views.

[Wrathbringer]

I mean the propaganda site that has a history of intentionally pushing false and misleading news.

For you to be criticizing anyone's sources is hysterical. PS If the only way you can justify your views is by resorting to HEAVILY biased sites that play fast and loose with the truth- then it's time to rethink your views.

TR;DR.

[Tgo01]

I mean the propaganda site that has a history of intentionally pushing false and misleading news.

time4fun is fake news in human form and doesn't even realize it.

[Androidpk]

I mean the propaganda site that has a history of intentionally pushing false and misleading news.

Gateway Pundit is garbage but I give them credit for severing their relationship with Jacob Wohl after it was *quickly* determined he was peddling a bogus smear attempt at Mueller.

[Neveragain]

I mean the propaganda site that has a history of intentionally pushing false and misleading news.

For you to be criticizing anyone's sources is hysterical. PS If the only way you can justify your views is by resorting to HEAVILY biased sites that play fast and loose with the truth- then it's time to rethink your views.

Was the story true or not?

Was what PK posted totally misleading?

Anything past that is the normal hot air you're blowing out your ass.

Does a server cost 5 million to run a month?

[Tgo01]

It's funny watching time4fun call any news organization misleading when she thinks of CNN as the gold standard. CNN, who just recently went on a media blitz to claim Acosta never touched that intern at the White House even though the video evidence clearly shows he did.

[Neveragain]

It's funny watching time4fun call any news organization misleading when she thinks of CNN as the gold standard. CNN, who just recently went on a media blitz to claim Acosta never touched that intern at the White House even though the video evidence clearly shows he did.

Is that the same CNN that called a person a negro and once argued that a black hole could have been the reason for a missing airliner?

[Androidpk]

It's funny watching time4fun call any news organization misleading when she thinks of CNN as the gold standard. CNN, who just recently went on a media blitz to claim Acosta never touched that intern at the White House even though the video evidence clearly shows he did.

You still think Acosta assaulted the intern so STFU :lol:

[Tgo01]

Is that the same CNN that called a person a negro and once argued that a black hole could have been the reason for a missing airliner?

That would be the same CNN. But it's totally real news and whatever you post is fake news cause time4fun said so.

[Tgo01]

It's funny watching time4fun call any news organization misleading when she thinks of CNN as the gold standard. CNN, who just recently went on a media blitz to claim Acosta never touched that intern at the White House even though the video evidence clearly shows he did.


You still think Acosta assaulted the intern so STFU :lol:

Let's see if Androidpk can spot the big flaw in his post.

I think I just realized pk's biggest problem; his rampant jealousy.

"Someone just threw an awesome insult at me! Why didn't I think of that one first? I know! I'll just saw "NOU" and I'll be just as clever. I so smart."

"Why is time4fun getting all of the spotlight for being fake news?! I can be faker news than her. Watch this!"

[time4fun]

https://i.imgur.com/SclN4PM.jpg

Whitaker used to be Sam Clovis' campaign chairman, meaning even if his appointment was legitimate he would have to recuse himself from the OSC investigation.

There would be a debate over whether Clovis counts as "substantially involved" in the investigation. Realistically, the argument would be that he may need to recuse himself from anything involving Clovis' indictment. Also, the statute only applies if the relationship was within the last year. Whitaker's relationship with Clovis is longer than a year old, I believe. (correct me if I'm wrong here)

I think the bigger issue would be §2635.502 A(2) which states that the recusal process should be followed in situations where:


An employee who is concerned that circumstances other than those specifically described in this section would raise a question regarding his impartiality should use the process described in this section to determine whether he should or should not participate in a particular matter.

The thing is though, they can still grant him a waiver. Though some of these recusal statutes are criminal statutes, and so there is some element of risk here. (As is obstructing an investigation into obstruction of justice) Having said that- Whitaker wouldn't have been put in the position if Trump weren't pretty darn sure that he wasn't going to recuse himself.

The entire situation is telling. Trump knows exactly how all of this looks and the political- and legal- risks he's taking with this move. That means that he's very sure that if this investigation is allowed to continue, he's going to be in a lot of trouble.

[Wrathbringer]

There would be a debate over whether Clovis counts as "substantially involved" in the investigation. Realistically, the argument would be that he may need to recuse himself from anything involving Clovis' indictment. Also, the statute only applies if the relationship was within the last year. Whitaker's relationship with Clovis is longer than a year old, I believe. (correct me if I'm wrong here)

I think the bigger issue would be §2635.502 A(2) which states that the recusal process should be followed in situations where:



The thing is though, they can still grant him a waiver. Though some of these recusal statutes are criminal statutes, and so there is some element of risk here. (As is obstructing an investigation into obstruction of justice) Having said that- Whitaker wouldn't have been put in the position if Trump weren't pretty darn sure that he wasn't going to recuse himself.

The entire situation is telling. Trump knows exactly how all of this looks and the political- and legal- risks he's taking with this move. That means that he's very sure that if this investigation is allowed to continue, he's going to be in a lot of trouble.

TR;DR.

[Androidpk]

Here's John Yoo, former lawyer for the GWB administration, explaining why Whitaker's appointment to AG is unconstitutional.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/whitaker-cant-take-officeand-that-helps-mueller/575770/

[Wrathbringer]

Here's John Yoo, former lawyer for the GWB administration, explaining why Whitaker's appointment to AG is unconstitutional.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/whitaker-cant-take-officeand-that-helps-mueller/575770/

death threats death threats

[Androidpk]

Let's see if Androidpk can spot the big flaw in his post.

I think I just realized pk's biggest problem; his rampant jealousy.

"Someone just threw an awesome insult at me! Why didn't I think of that one first? I know! I'll just saw "NOU" and I'll be just as clever. I so smart."

"Why is time4fun getting all of the spotlight for being fake news?! I can be faker news than her. Watch this!"


If you want to have a discussion as to whether or not this constitutes assault we can (hint: it is)

This is where Tgo tries to say he never accused Acosta of assault.

[time4fun]

Here's John Yoo, former lawyer for the GWB administration, explaining why Whitaker's appointment to AG is unconstitutional.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/whitaker-cant-take-officeand-that-helps-mueller/575770/

Yeah, the Article II argument is Maryland's strongest argument for sure. This situation is why Article II was put into place to begin with.

[Tgo01]

This is where Tgo tries to say he never accused Acosta of assault.

I never said I never accused Acosta of assault.

Holy shit. Okay, pk. You win. You win! You're even faker news than time4fun. My mistake for ever doubting you in the first place.

[Androidpk]

I never said I never accused Acosta of assault.

Holy shit. Okay, pk. You win. You win! You're even faker news than time4fun. My mistake for ever doubting you in the first place.

Oh, so your post above was just more trolling BS? Gotcha. Troll onward, troll.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah, the Article II argument is Maryland's strongest argument for sure. This situation is why Article II was put into place to begin with.

TR;DR.

[Parkbandit]

I mean the propaganda site that has a history of intentionally pushing false and misleading news.

You're going to have to be more specific. motherjones.com? mediamatters.org? nbc.com? cnn.com? politifact.org?

Be specific of which sites you deem as bad. SPOILER: They will only be right leaning sites


For you to be criticizing anyone's sources is hysterical. PS If the only way you can justify your views is by resorting to HEAVILY biased sites that play fast and loose with the truth- then it's time to rethink your views.

It's like every post you make reminds us just how little self awareness you have.

We get it. You don't have to keep reminding us every. single. post.

[Tgo01]

Oh, so your post above was just more trolling BS? Gotcha. Troll onward, troll.

Okay you've convinced me. You are hereby awarded Fake News Master Of All Time. No matter how much time4fun tries she can never possibly take the title away from you.

Congratulations, pk! You're finally good at something!

[~Rocktar~]

https://i.imgur.com/SclN4PM.jpg

Whitaker used to be Sam Clovis' campaign chairman, meaning even if his appointment was legitimate he would have to recuse himself from the OSC investigation.

Comey didn't have to recuse himself despite his direct personal and working relationship with Mueller when he was DAG and Mueller was director of the FBI. Not to mention the contracts from the FBI under Mueller directed to Comey's employer at the time Lockheed Martin. So, if it didn't apply then, why should it apply now.

[time4fun]

Comey didn't have to recuse himself despite his direct personal and working relationship with Mueller when he was DAG and Mueller was director of the FBI. Not to mention the contracts from the FBI under Mueller directed to Comey's employer at the time Lockheed Martin. So, if it didn't apply then, why should it apply now.

Mueller wasn't overseeing Comey's investigation, and Mueller wasn't making any decisions about whether or not to prosecute Comey- who was just a witness. Also, that relationship was more than a year old and consequently the statute in question doesn't apply.

You do understand how these situations are not analogous, right?


Edit- oops swapped names. Shouldn't reply during meetings!

[Wrathbringer]

Comey wasn't overseeing Mueller's investigation, and Comey wasn't making any decisions about whether or not to prosecute Mueller. Also, that relationship was more than a year old and consequently the statute in question doesn't apply.

You do understand how these situations are not analogous, right?

TR;DR.

[Fortybox]

Mueller wasn't overseeing Comey's investigation, and Mueller wasn't making any decisions about whether or not to prosecute Comey- who was just a witness. Also, that relationship was more than a year old and consequently the statute in question doesn't apply.

You do understand how these situations are not analogous, right?


Edit- oops swapped names. Shouldn't reply during meetings!

Stop wasting your employers time.

[Gelston]

Stop wasting your employers time.

She works at Taco Bell, they don't care.

[Fortybox]

She works at Taco Bell, they don't care.

I'm sure she has a PhD in making tacos then. One for burritos and another for Mountain Dew Baja Blast!! (yeah!)

[Parkbandit]

Mueller wasn't overseeing Comey's investigation, and Mueller wasn't making any decisions about whether or not to prosecute Comey- who was just a witness. Also, that relationship was more than a year old and consequently the statute in question doesn't apply.

You do understand how these situations are not analogous, right?


Edit- oops swapped names. Shouldn't reply during meetings!

Ever notice when time4fun fucks something up in a post, she's in a meeting?

Weird.

[Methais]

I mean the propaganda site that has a history of intentionally pushing false and misleading news.

For you to be criticizing anyone's sources is hysterical. PS If the only way you can justify your views is by resorting to HEAVILY biased sites that play fast and loose with the truth- then it's time to rethink your views.

Are you really this self unaware or are you a low key supreme grandmaster troll?

Serious question.

[Gelston]

Are you really this self unaware or are you a low key supreme grandmaster troll?

Serious question.

LEave her alone, she gets all her news from vox.

[Methais]

LEave her alone, she gets all her news from vox.

How do they manage to stay #1 on her Google search results though?

[Androidpk]

The state contends that Whitaker was unlawfully named acting attorney general, and so he has no authority to respond to their lawsuit. (https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/667180873/maryland-says-matthew-whitaker-appointment-as-acting-attorney-general-is-unlawfu)

The state seeks a preliminary injunction that prevents the federal government from responding to the suit while Whitaker appears as acting attorney general. Instead, Maryland requests a declaration that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is the acting attorney general.

The hearing has been set for December 19.

[time4fun]

The hearing has been set for December 19.

Meanwhile OLS has issued an opinion that the appointment was legit. Look for the right wing alternative facts Corp to start citing this as though it has any weight

[Fortybox]

Meanwhile OLS has issued an opinion that the appointment was legit. Look for the right wing alternative facts Corp to start citing this as though it has any weight

Meanwhile the PC has issued an opinion that you're retarded with red rep.

[Wrathbringer]

Meanwhile the PC has issued an opinion that you're retarded with red rep.

This is correct.

[sellstuff1]

Meanwhile the PC has issued an opinion that you're retarded with red rep.

Right, because a cult of fascist ex-Gemstone players with Trump's micro-dick past their tonsils aren't retarded?

[Gelston]

Right, because a cult of fascist ex-Gemstone players with Trump's micro-dick past their tonsils aren't retarded?

Is "fascist" the only word you know or something?

[Parkbandit]

Right, because a cult of fascist ex-Gemstone players with Trump's micro-dick past their tonsils aren't retarded?

You are late to The Meltdown, but I for one am glad you are all in.

Thank you for being so fucking triggered. It's entertaining as hell.

[Methais]

Right, because a cult of fascist ex-Gemstone players with Trump's micro-dick past their tonsils aren't retarded?

Shut up cwolff