Ginsburg Hospitalized

[kutter]

This is a very unfortunate event for the lady. While I may not agree with her politics, I do not want to see anyone hurt. I wonder if she will finally call it quits now.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-11-08/ginsburg-85-hospitalized-after-fracturing-3-ribs-in-fall

[Neveragain]

Sweet lady with a sharp mind even at the age of 85, hope the best for her in her recovery.

During the whole Kavanaugh sham she had commented that she was not at all pleased with the actions of the democrats and how they handled Fords situation. I would not be at all surprised if she steps down at this point.

[Methais]

Sweet lady with a sharp mind even at the age of 85, hope the best for her in her recovery.

During the whole Kavanaugh sham she had commented that she was not at all pleased with the actions of the democrats and how they handled Fords situation. I would not be at all surprised if she steps down at this point.

Democrats are probably already planning new sexual assault allegations to use against whoever gets nominated next, just in case she does step down over this.

[Wrathbringer]

She's broken ribs before. I don't see her voluntarily stepping down with a Republican President. Apparently she has staffers hired through 2020, so maybe during Trump's second term.

[Fortybox]

:lol:

[~Rocktar~]

She's broken ribs before.

It happens sometimes to drunk people when they fall.

[Viekn]

This is a very unfortunate event for the lady.

Please. This was obviously done on purpose by Trump to nominate another justice.

[audioserf]

She should have retired in 2013. The pure-strain uncut hubris in wanting her replacement to be chosen by Clinton (RBG of course bought into the inevitability of HRC winning 2016) has all but handed the Republican party another SC pick. Nice work RBG. Nailed it.

[Wrathbringer]

Please. This was obviously done on purpose by Trump to nominate another justice.

:lol:

[audioserf]

Please. This was obviously done on purpose by Trump to nominate another justice.

I reckon Kavanaugh showed up to work drunk and pushed RBG down the stairs.

[Taernath]

Notorious RBG wouldn't go out like that.

[kutter]

She has had her fair share, hell probably more than her fair share of health issues, and she is a tough ole bird to be certain but my concern is not the actual broken ribs but the health issues associated with an 85 year old hospitalized patient, pneumonia and blood clots being probably the most concerning.

Like McCain I hate seeing people hang on to a job and neglect other aspects when they have such a limited amount of time left. To be fair for McCain though, he only neglected his Senate responsibilities in his hubris. I would hope that anyone, not just RBG, would want to spend time with family and friends over work. Like the expression goes, no one says on their deathbed, 'I wish I had spent more time at the office.'

[Tgo01]

Well that sucks.

[Gelston]

I'm honestly thinking she is going to die in office rather than resign. Depending on how long she is hospitalized though, that is one less seat that'll be voting on left ideals.

[Parkbandit]

I'm honestly thinking she is going to die in office rather than resign. Depending on how long she is hospitalized though, that is one less seat that'll be voting on left ideals.

Yup.

She could be in a vegetative state and have to be wheeled in and out of Court and the lefties would still be in awe of her amazing decisions.

[kutter]

Yup.

She could be in a vegetative state and have to be wheeled in and out of Court and the lefties would still be in awe of her amazing decisions.

And there does not appear to be a mechanism for removing someone from SCOTUS if they are in that condition, which may or may not be a good thing.

[Gelston]

And there does not appear to be a mechanism for removing someone from SCOTUS if they are in that condition, which may or may not be a good thing.

Which is strange, since it is a life tenure.

[time4fun]

And there does not appear to be a mechanism for removing someone from SCOTUS if they are in that condition, which may or may not be a good thing.

Erm there is- impeachment.

We tend to think of it as punishment for bad behavior, but actually it includes situations where someone is unable to perform the job.

[Gelston]

Erm there is- impeachment.

We tend to think of it as punishment for bad behavior, but actually it includes situations where someone is unable to perform the job.

Except it is for the purpose of committing a crime while in office. You can only impeach if they have not been on "Good behavior". That is VERY specifically mentioned in the US Constitution.

That is also why they very specifically created a method to remove the President and/or Vice President for disabilities causing them to be unable to execute their office. The didn't do it for Federal Judges. Why didn't they? No one knows.

[Tgo01]

Erm there is- impeachment.

We tend to think of it as punishment for bad behavior, but actually it includes situations where someone is unable to perform the job.

Where does it state one can be impeached because they are incapacitated?

[Gelston]

Where does it state one can be impeached because they are incapacitated?

What are they going to convict of of? Old age?

[Tgo01]

What are they going to convict of of? Old age?

Being old is now considered treason or a high crimes.

[Gelston]

Being old is now considered treason or a high crimes.

She probably won't come back, she is busy tinkering with a $5m a month WoW server.

[Tgo01]

She probably won't come back, she is busy tinkering with a $5m a month WoW server.

I feel like I missed a meme somewhere.

[Gelston]

I feel like I missed a meme somewhere.

She claimed Blizzard was paying 5m a month per WoW server.

[Tgo01]

She claimed Blizzard was paying 5m a month per WoW server.

lol

[Methais]

She claimed Blizzard was paying 5m a month per WoW server.


lol

She literally pulled the info off the first result of a google search from some random tard site that I can't remember the name of.

Then a few minutes later it was posted that from like 2004-2008 (or something like that) Blizzard spent $200m on WoW, which included literally everything. Servers, payroll, marketing, fire extinguisher inspections, etc. and then she did one of these after IIRC:

https://media.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif




Where does it state one can be impeached because they are incapacitated?

First result on google if you put in the right search terms, probably.

[kutter]

This does not look great for RBG:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/07/supreme-court-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-working-from-home-for-first-arguments-since-cancer-surgery.html

[Wrathbringer]

This does not look great for RBG:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/07/supreme-court-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-working-from-home-for-first-arguments-since-cancer-surgery.html

She should step down. If you can't be there, you can't do the job effectively. Trump needs another supreme court pick! Liberal tears incoming!

[kutter]

She should step down. If you can't be there, you can't do the job effectively. Trump needs another supreme court pick! Liberal tears incoming!

I agree, the left will be so outraged if they lose her and a conservative is appointed.

I also agree if after a certain amount of time she cannot return to the bench then she should retire. I thought the same thing about McCain. It is selfish pride to stay in the position when you cannot do the job just because there is no mechanism to remove you.

[~Rocktar~]

I agree, the left will be so outraged if they lose her and a conservative is appointed.

I also agree if after a certain amount of time she cannot return to the bench then she should retire. I thought the same thing about McCain. It is selfish pride to stay in the position when you cannot do the job just because there is no mechanism to remove you.

She should have retired under Obama in like 2012 or something. Now, the Leftist will lose their favorite fantasy jurist. I am sorry she is sick, I lost my mom to pancreatic cancer in 93, it's tough. If the cancer spread, she likely doesn't have long.

[Gelston]

She should have retired under Obama in like 2012 or something. Now, the Leftist will lose their favorite fantasy jurist. I am sorry she is sick, I lost my mom to pancreatic cancer in 93, it's tough. If the cancer spread, she likely doesn't have long.

I guarantee she was planning to retire under Hillary. Now she is just trying to make it to 2021

[~Rocktar~]

Rocktar as he’s typing these words...

https://media1.tenor.com/images/514972f6a20e1fe02de9d8ece3676af9/tenor.gif

Nah, I don't drool. I can't say I will be upset when she leaves the court. As I said, I am sorry she is sick, that is tough.

[ClydeR]

If she is planning to retire, she should do it this year since the Senate does not vote on Supreme Court nominees in the last year of a presidential term.

[Tgo01]

If she is planning to retire, she should do it this year since the Senate does not vote on Supreme Court nominees in the last year of a presidential term.

I see what you did there.

[audioserf]

The hubris of not retiring in 2010 when the dems had a majority is going to bite her (and the party). She could have chosen to exit gracefully and now unfortunately the choice may well be taken from her. It was a really bad decision to plan to retire assuming for a 2016 Dem win.

edit: I just realized I posted basically the same thing earlier in this thread lol. Oh well I stand by it. RBG is awesome, and cancer is absolutely the worst. Sad way for anyone to go out. But she should have retired a while ago. She can't make it through 2024.

[Methais]

If she is planning to retire, she should do it this year since the Senate does not vote on Supreme Court nominees in the last year of a presidential term.

Sounds like a great way to fire up Trump voters just in time for 2020.

[Androidpk]

If she is planning to retire, she should do it this year since the Senate does not vote on Supreme Court nominees in the last year of a presidential term.

That only applies to Democrat Presidents. McTurtle has already said he wouldn't follow his own rule on that and would allow a SCOTUS confirmation to take place for Trump if one comes up.

[Methais]

That only applies to Democrat Presidents. McTurtle has already said he wouldn't follow his own rule on that and would allow a SCOTUS confirmation to take place for Trump if one comes up.

Good, that just means more meltdowns from you retards for our entertainment.

I bet you think if the roles were reversed, democrats wouldn't do the same thing, both with this and when Garland was up.

[Wrathbringer]

That only applies to shitty ineffective presidents. McTurtle has already said he wouldn't follow his own rule on that and would allow a SCOTUS confirmation to take place for Trump if one comes up.

Fixed.

[Parkbandit]

https://am12.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-21-at-8.06.19-AM-1200x673.jpg

How do you make such a horrendous mistake? I get that all news departments have these type of slides on the ready, but that is a terrible blunder.

[Gelston]

Did they think she had died today?

[Fortybox]

https://am12.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-21-at-8.06.19-AM-1200x673.jpg

How do you make such a horrendous mistake? I get that all news departments have these type of slides on the ready, but that is a terrible blunder.

:lol:

Maybe she died and now she is a zombie-cyborg.

[Gelston]

She should have resigned under Obama while Democrats controlled the Senate when people were telling her she should. Then she would have been replaced with another liberal.

[~Rocktar~]

https://am12.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-21-at-8.06.19-AM-1200x673.jpg

How do you make such a horrendous mistake? I get that all news departments have these type of slides on the ready, but that is a terrible blunder.

This was indeed an amazing fuckup.

[Astray]

Yeah, holy shit.

[Gelston]

Yeah, holy shit.

It isn't necessarily wrong. They have until 31 December.

[~Rocktar~]

It isn't necessarily wrong. They have until 31 December.

Yeah. Got to wonder how many other important or famous people they have prepped like this? Maybe have them in a document that will auto update the date or something. LOL

[Gelston]

Yeah. Got to wonder how many other important or famous people they have prepped like this? Maybe have them in a document that will auto update the date or something. LOL

I don't know why they even need to prep it really, how hard is it to just type in some numbers and toss it up? They really want to be the first people posting that I guess.

[Alfster]

This was indeed an amazing fuckup.

Yet this is the one news outlet that's not considered fake news by Trump.

They're all shit.

[~Rocktar~]

Yet this is the one news outlet that's not considered fake news by Trump.

They're all shit.

And yet we haven't seen them completely fabricating stories over and over and passing them around without any fact checking or support over and over and over . . .


Speaking about this foul-up, CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said, “The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president and that they’re willing to lie to do it.”

This pretty much sums it up.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/01/20/facepalm-cnn-legal-analyst-worries-buzzfeed-foulup-will-make-the-media-look-like-a-bunch-of-leftists-looking-to-take-out-trump-n2539338

[time4fun]

And yet we haven't seen them completely fabricating stories over and over and passing them around without any fact checking or support over and over and over . . .


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA

[Tgo01]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA

Name some stories then. I don't mean stories where Fox News got some details wrong, or they were pushing a narrative they enjoyed on a story. Name some stories Fox News ran where they completely just 100% made up the story out of thin air, you know like the Buzzfeed article, or when ABC/NBC/whoever said Flynn was going to testify that Trump ordered him to make contact with the Russians before he won the election, or CNN making up that Trump Jr got advanced notice of the Wikileaks dump before the general public, or almost the entire media over the weekend smearing high school students and endangering their lives simply because they were wearing MAGA hats.

Put those Google skills of yours to work.

[Fortybox]

Name some stories then. I don't mean stories where Fox News got some details wrong, or they were pushing a narrative they enjoyed on a story. Name some stories Fox News ran where they completely just 100% made up the story out of thin air, you know like the Buzzfeed article, or when ABC/NBC/whoever said Flynn was going to testify that Trump ordered him to make contact with the Russians before he won the election, or CNN making up that Trump Jr got advanced notice of the Wikileaks dump before the general public, or almost the entire media over the weekend smearing high school students and endangering their lives simply because they were wearing MAGA hats.

Put those Google skills of yours to work.

Makes me wonder if they received some good intel on Ginsburg kicking the bucket soon. Got loaded on accident since they were preparing for it.

[Parkbandit]

Yet this is the one news outlet that's not considered fake news by Trump.

They're all shit.

It wasn't done purposely to pretend she's dead. It was put up briefly by mistake.

[Astray]

How Buzzfeed will report it:


Fox News puts hit out on RBG, leaks Trump tower swastika design

How it'll be advertised:


Top 5 Ruth clap backs! You won't believe what she tells Trump!

[Fortybox]

How Buzzfeed will report it:



How it'll be advertised:

How time4fun will react:

https://media.giphy.com/media/1n3kDcDM722fWFN5i2/giphy.gif

She is now the expert:

https://media.giphy.com/media/19tv1qZSYGO2nsUChn/giphy.gif

Got a new job:

https://media.giphy.com/media/HnnKLPMqsO12g/giphy.gif

...and a PhD:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHZhAXPNTHBfILS/giphy.gif

[kutter]

So I find it a tad bit odd that she makes a public appearance and not one photo has shown up yet from it, only statements from people that attended the event, why would that be?

The news reports state that she is back walking a mile a day now, so if she is not on the bench on the 19th, then it would be impossible to not think that something nefarious is going one. At what point does the government, do the people have a right to be made aware of her physical condition?

[Taernath]

Relax guy.

[Tgo01]

So I find it a tad bit odd that she makes a public appearance and not one photo has shown up yet from it, only statements from people that attended the event, why would that be?

The news reports state that she is back walking a mile a day now, so if she is not on the bench on the 19th, then it would be impossible to not think that something nefarious is going one. At what point does the government, do the people have a right to be made aware of her physical condition?

Unless she's dead I really don't think there's much anyone can do anyways. The only way to remove a supreme court justice is death or impeachment and I don't know if I like the idea of going down the road that we start impeaching people because of bad health. Now if she's laying in a hospital somewhere and she's actually brain dead but being kept alive to keep her seat open for when we have a Democrat in the White House again then that might be a different story.

Having said all of that I do find it odd that so far we just have eye witness accounts of her being back to normal and no photos to back it up.

[Stumplicker]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZARAldXlSyA/maxresdefault.jpg

That PROVES it!

[kutter]

Unless she's dead I really don't think there's much anyone can do anyways. The only way to remove a supreme court justice is death or impeachment and I don't know if I like the idea of going down the road that we start impeaching people because of bad health. Now if she's laying in a hospital somewhere and she's actually brain dead but being kept alive to keep her seat open for when we have a Democrat in the White House again then that might be a different story.

Having said all of that I do find it odd that so far we just have eye witness accounts of her being back to normal and no photos to back it up.

I am 100% in agreement that if she is still in legitimate recovery then under no circumstances should anyone bring up impeachment, but as a public servant, when do the people that pay her salary have a right to know when or even if she will ever be able to perform her job again? John McCain filled the spot but did not fulfill his role as a Senator for 9 months, he should have resigned long before then.

For sure, after all the hype people say about what a machine she is at the gym, if she is not on the bench for the 19th then I cannot help but think that there is something that her people do not want the public to be aware of; and it will be time for someone outside of her inner circle, perhaps John Roberts to actually visit her and determine what her condition is.

[Gelston]

I am 100% in agreement that if she is still in legitimate recovery then under no circumstances should anyone bring up impeachment, but as a public servant, when do the people that pay her salary have a right to know when or even if she will ever be able to perform her job again? John McCain filled the spot but did not fulfill his role as a Senator for 9 months, he should have resigned long before then.

For sure, after all the hype people say about what a machine she is at the gym, if she is not on the bench for the 19th then I cannot help but think that there is something that her people do not want the public to be aware of; and it will be time for someone outside of her inner circle, perhaps John Roberts to actually visit her and determine what her condition is.

You can't impeach due to bad health. Impeachment requires a criminal act. I'm sure they could go find one, but I guarantee it'd never go anywhere.

That said, there is a clause to remove a President if in ill-health... I think the same should exist for any life time judgeship.

[Androidpk]

But what does Alex Jones think?

[Gelston]

But what does Alex Jones think?

Who cares?

[Methais]

But what does Alex Jones think?

You’re a retard.

[Androidpk]

You can't impeach due to bad health. Impeachment requires a criminal act. I'm sure they could go find one, but I guarantee it'd never go anywhere.

That said, there is a clause to remove a President if in ill-health... I think the same should exist for any life time judgeship.

25th amendment? I think they have to be physically incapacitated, like in a coma or something.

[Gelston]

25th amendment? I think they have to be physically incapacitated, like in a coma or something.

Yes, but that only covers the President. I want one for all Federal Judges, because they are all lifetime appointments.

[Alfster]

I am 100% in agreement that if she is still in legitimate recovery then under no circumstances should anyone bring up impeachment, but as a public servant, when do the people that pay her salary have a right to know when or even if she will ever be able to perform her job again? John McCain filled the spot but did not fulfill his role as a Senator for 9 months, he should have resigned long before then.

For sure, after all the hype people say about what a machine she is at the gym, if she is not on the bench for the 19th then I cannot help but think that there is something that her people do not want the public to be aware of; and it will be time for someone outside of her inner circle, perhaps John Roberts to actually visit her and determine what her condition is.

She has a fundamental right to privacy about any and all health conditions. I don't know if they still get paid while on some sort of "leave of absence", but at the end of the day - anyone recovering from any illness/injury has the right to privacy when it comes to their work.

[Gelston]

She has a fundamental right to privacy about any and all health conditions. I don't know if they still get paid while on some sort of "leave of absence", but at the end of the day - anyone recovering from any illness/injury has the right to privacy when it comes to their work.

Of course she gets paid. She is on a salary, not a hourly wage.

[Androidpk]

Yes, but that only covers the President. I want one for all Federal Judges, because they are all lifetime appointments.

It's called impeachment.

[Gelston]

It's called impeachment.

Again, impeachment is only for criminal acts. You can't impeach for health issues. The US Constitution clearly states that judges "shall hold their offices during good behavior." not "until they get sick or old".

And if anyone said otherwise, it'd be... Federal Judges ruling on that.

[Stumplicker]

Reinstitute ugly laws and impeach! Boom. Lawyered.

[kutter]

She has a fundamental right to privacy about any and all health conditions. I don't know if they still get paid while on some sort of "leave of absence", but at the end of the day - anyone recovering from any illness/injury has the right to privacy when it comes to their work.

As a government employee, I can tell you that is not 100% accurate due to the nature of our employment, our supervisors have a right to be made aware of our ability to perform our jobs. I am not saying that her specific medical condition be released, but her ability to perform her job is.

[Gelston]

As a government employee, I can tell you that is not 100% accurate due to the nature of our employment, our supervisors have a right to be made aware of our ability to perform our jobs. I am not saying that her specific medical condition be released, but her ability to perform her job is.

Who is her supervisor? I guess the Chief Justice? Although he can't fire her and tell her what to do in any way..

Supreme Court Justices have a very unique position. They essentially have no boss, and as long as they maintain good behavior, no one can do shit to them. Even if they do bad things, it literally takes an act of Congress to remove them.

[Tgo01]

Supreme Court Justices have a very unique position. They essentially have no boss, and as long as they maintain good behavior, no one can do shit to them. Even if they do bad things, it literally takes an act of Congress to remove them.

Would not showing up for work be considered bad behavior? I'm all for letting her recover from any medical conditions, I'm even for setting up some sort of video conference thing where she can listen to arguments from her home and stuff of that nature. But if she literally can't work at all then at some point she's just sticking around to keep her seat open for a Democrat president which should be grounds to have her removed.

Of course Democrats in the Senate would never go for it and something tells me it requires a two thirds majority like it does a president and I'm much too lazy at the moment to look it up.

[Stumplicker]

Who is her supervisor?

https://i.imgur.com/VBjGfrZ.jpg

[Gelston]

Would not showing up for work be considered bad behavior? I'm all for letting her recover from any medical conditions, I'm even for setting up some sort of video conference thing where she can listen to arguments from her home and stuff of that nature. But if she literally can't work at all then at some point she's just sticking around to keep her seat open for a Democrat president which should be grounds to have her removed.

Of course Democrats in the Senate would never go for it and something tells me it requires a two thirds majority like it does a president and I'm much too lazy at the moment to look it up.

Impeachment is generally considered an indictment for High Crimes or Misdemeanors. Being absent for work due to health issues likely wouldn't be considered bad behavior or high crimes or misdemeanors.

[Stumplicker]

At some point, honestly, health issues should be considered. I mean...Appointments for life are great and all, but...what happens if a justice has alzheimers? Or any one of so, so many debilitating diseases that prevents the proper completion of their work, whether they can physically show up, telecommute or otherwise?

Edit to add: At very least, do you consider the options of say, allowing a proxy to be sent during recovery? Where's the line between recovering and never going to recover the mental faculties that made you qualified for the job in the first place? I'm not saying any of these things specifically apply to Ginsburg in this situation, but it's something that should be considered.

[Gelston]

At some point, honestly, health issues should be considered. I mean...Appointments for life are great and all, but...what happens if a justice has alzheimers? Or any one of so, so many debilitating diseases that prevents the proper completion of their work, whether they can physically show up, telecommute or otherwise?

There is nothing. That is why I'm saying there should be an amendment made that allows removal based on health issues. I wouldn't set an age limit, simply because with technology people can live longer, healthier lives and who knows what age people will be able to live to 50 years from now.

[Parkbandit]

There is nothing. That is why I'm saying there should be an amendment made that allows removal based on health issues. I wouldn't set an age limit, simply because with technology people can live longer, healthier lives and who knows what age people will be able to live to 50 years from now.

Problem with that is: Who determines what is healthy and what is not?

Sounds like a good way to get people you politically disagree with off the bench.

[Stumplicker]

There is nothing. That is why I'm saying there should be an amendment made that allows removal based on health issues. I wouldn't set an age limit, simply because with technology people can live longer, healthier lives and who knows what age people will be able to live to 50 years from now.

Sure sure. I agree. I'm for that sort of thing in much lower offices and permissions already. I firmly believe for example you should have to re-take your driver's exam once every ten years until you're 50, once every 5 until 70, and then once every year or two after that. Some people are perfectly fine until they're 90. Some people are just a danger to others by 60.

[Gelston]

Problem with that is: Who determines what is healthy and what is not?

Sounds like a good way to get people you politically disagree with off the bench.

I'd personally say the motion should start on the Supreme Court, from the other Justices, and perhaps under the advisement of more than one doctor to include the Surgeon General, and then proceed to Congress where it'd take the same votes required for impeachments and then the indictment.

[Alfster]

As a government employee, I can tell you that is not 100% accurate due to the nature of our employment, our supervisors have a right to be made aware of our ability to perform our jobs. I am not saying that her specific medical condition be released, but her ability to perform her job is.

Well right - anyone supervising over your position should be able to see their history.

The American people are not that person.

[Fortybox]

She ignored calls for retirement. Should have reappointed under Obama.

Let the Ginsburg death clock start.

[Ososis]

Let the Ginsburg death clock start.

haha, dumb bitch with her mortality amiright?

[kutter]

Well right - anyone supervising over your position should be able to see their history.

The American people are not that person.She is a federal employee, albeit with a lifetime appointment but an employee none the less. Everyone is accountable to someone, even if that someone is actually a group, ie. voters or Congress.

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[Methais]

Problem with that is: Who determines what is healthy and what is not?

Sounds like a good way to get people you politically disagree with off the bench.

Being out for X number of days and still having no idea when they’ll be able to return to work would probably be a good place to start.

[kutter]

Well she is hospitalized again, I wonder if she will make back out again. Her and Roberts both seem to have a surprisig number of health issues, admittedly, her not so much since she is what, 87. I wish her the best even though I may not agree with her ideologically. What I do not understand is, when is enough, enough. Don't people want to spend time with their loved ones in the latter stages of life, especially given her seemingly tenuous health. I just don't understand it.

[~Rocktar~]

It's because she imagines herself as some kind freedom fighter heroine protecting the lowly, downtrodden and sexually promiscuous from the consequences of their own bad judgement and as a last line of defense for women, minorities and Hispanics in the face of oppressive ideals like personal responsibility, limited government and budgetary constraints.

[Bhaalizmo]

Sure sure. I agree. I'm for that sort of thing in much lower offices and permissions already. I firmly believe for example you should have to re-take your driver's exam once every ten years until you're 50, once every 5 until 70, and then once every year or two after that. Some people are perfectly fine until they're 90. Some people are just a danger to others by 60.

I agree with the drivers license retesting actually. I've seen way too many people who are infirm driving legally.

[Candor]

I agree with the drivers license retesting actually. I've seen way too many people who are infirm driving legally.

I think the biggest problem on the road is not older drivers but people who are able to drive well but choose to do stupid things. For some folks, showing up somewhere five minutes earlier is worth risking their lives and the lives of other drivers.

Having said that, I think testing drivers older than 70 every few years is a good idea.

[kutter]

Maybe she will finally be the one on her deathbed that says, 'I wish I had spent more time at work', but whatever, work hard, save your pennies, enjoy retirement, spend time with your family and loved ones, that's my plan.

[Gelston]

Maybe she will finally be the one on her deathbed that says, 'I wish I had spent more time at work', but whatever, work hard, save your pennies, enjoy retirement, spend time with your family and loved ones, that's my plan.

The interesting thing, what if she dies before the election? Republicans control the Senate. I guarantee Trump would try to push someone through.

[kutter]

The interesting thing, what if she dies before the election? Republicans control the Senate. I guarantee Trump would try to push someone through.

Mitch McConnell has already said he will replace one, whenever it happens.

[Parkbandit]

The interesting thing, what if she dies before the election? Republicans control the Senate. I guarantee Trump would try to push someone through.

Do you believe that the Democrats wouldn't if they had control of the Presidency and Senate?

[Shaps]

I would like to see 12 year limits on elected officials - House and Senate. This would require much more stringent laws regarding their investments, dealing with lobbyists, etc. Not sure if 12 is the right number, but something close to it - maybe 12 for House and 18 for Senate?

Supreme Court Justices, perhaps 30 year term limits would be reasonable? This would ensure mental and physical capacities are at their peak during term of service, and give a reasonable succession plan for planning purposes.

Thoughts?

[Tgo01]

I would like to see 12 year limits on elected officials - House and Senate. This would require much more stringent laws regarding their investments, dealing with lobbyists, etc. Not sure if 12 is the right number, but something close to it - maybe 12 for House and 18 for Senate?

Supreme Court Justices, perhaps 30 year term limits would be reasonable? This would ensure mental and physical capacities are at their peak during term of service, and give a reasonable succession plan for planning purposes.

Thoughts?

I'm torn on the idea of term limits.

On the one hand they make sense, get the corrupt people out of office. On the other hand some lawmakers are actually good and it sucks that they are forced out because of term limits rather than because they are shitty lawmakers.

Then you run into the problem of what happens when states impose term limits on state elected officials; once their term limit is up their spouse is "elected" but in reality it's still their spouse in charge of everything and making the decisions and deals, the spouse just shows up to vote. This shit happens a lot. They even just use the same campaign material and use the same last name and everything.

"Vote for Smith!" Except now it's John Smith instead of Jane Smith. They even use images and videos of the original lawmaker to make it seem like they are running again.

It's all corrupt bullshit.

[Bhaalizmo]

It's all corrupt bullshit.

Kinda like a broken clock being right twice a day, if I scroll through enough of the shit you post I eventually find something I agree with.

But you're still clearly a racist. Read your stuff. It's in there.

[Methais]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg announces cancer recurrence, will remain on the Supreme Court (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-cancer-chemotherapy/index.html)

I'm beginning to think she's a cyborg.

[kutter]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg announces cancer recurrence, will remain on the Supreme Court (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-cancer-chemotherapy/index.html)

I'm beginning to think she's a cyborg.

She has the best health care on the planet, its not much of a surprise, she supposedly works with a personal trainer several days a week and I am sure she eats healthy, the question is, how severe is it. Can you imagine how pissed the dems would be if Trump loses but still gets to place a justice after he lost.

[Gelston]

She has the best health care on the planet, its not much of a surprise, she supposedly works with a personal trainer several days a week and I am sure she eats healthy, the question is, how severe is it. Can you imagine how pissed the dems would be if Trump loses but still gets to place a justice after he lost.

Not enough Republicans to block a filibuster.

[kutter]

Not enough Republicans to block a filibuster.

Except that Justices are elected with a simple majority now. No more 60 vote threshold, you can thank dingy Harry for that.

[Gelston]

Except that Justices are elected with a simple majority now. No more 60 vote threshold, you can thank dingy Harry for that.

That is true, but they can filibuster the motion even being brought to the floor. You still need 60 to block that.

[kutter]

That is true, but they can filibuster the motion even being brought to the floor. You still need 60 to block that.

Nope, only need 51 to end debate as well but that is only for judicial appointments, cloture is still required for anything else.

[Gelston]

Nope, only need 51 to end debate as well but that is only for judicial appointments, cloture is still required for anything else.

Ah, yeah, they changed that in 2017 after Gorusch.

[ClydeR]

Ah, yeah, they changed that in 2017 after Gorusch.

Before Gorsuch. And for Gorsuch.

[Bhaalizmo]

25th amendment? I think they have to be physically incapacitated, like in a coma or something.

Or just plain old bat shit crazy