CNN obtains secret Trump-Cohen tape

[Androidpk]

Just more proof of Trump's many crimes that he committed in 2016

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/24/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-tape/index.html

https://i.imgur.com/BeMNAJU.jpg

[Astray]

Didn't a bomb go off somewhere?

[Androidpk]

Didn't a bomb go off somewhere?

that was the Trump administration going up in flames

https://media.giphy.com/media/ol0FzmNBbMNuE/giphy.gif

[Astray]

Don't see that happening.

[~Rocktar~]

Probably not any more damaging than this tape:


https://youtu.be/nwgD-8Bj_Qs

[Androidpk]

Probably not any more damaging than this tape:


https://youtu.be/nwgD-8Bj_Qs

slow your role, alex jones

[~Rocktar~]

slow your role, alex jones

Check your black privilege Whoopi Goldberg.

[beldannon5]

So can't all tapes be edited? I mean I am not saying it's edited, but it's always interesting how these "secret" tapes show up, or someone from 20 years ago accuses someone for something etc. just a humble fishermans opinon

[Androidpk]

So can't all tapes be edited? I mean I am not saying it's edited, but it's always interesting how these "secret" tapes show up, or someone from 20 years ago accuses someone for something etc. just a humble fishermans opinon

Sure, tapes can be doctored, but there are people in that office with Trump and Cohen that can be called as witnesses.

[drauz]

Since Cohen is releasing those to the media isn't that a breach of confidentiality?

Don't you lose your license to practice law over this sort of thing?

[beldannon5]

suppose I should watch the video before I comment eh? lol

[Gelston]

Since Cohen is releasing those to the media isn't that a breach of confidentiality?

Don't you lose your license to practice law over this sort of thing?

Eh, if he is paid a lot for it I'd imagine he wouldn't care. I suppose he could face criminal penalties and be sued too, but yeah, he isn't allowed to release anything without his client's approval.

[Androidpk]

Since Cohen is releasing those to the media isn't that a breach of confidentiality?



no, not in this case

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-cohen-secret-recording-trump-legal-team-waived-attorney-client-privilege/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/secretly-recorded-trump-cohen-tape-was-deemed-privileged-then-waved-by-white-house-report

[Androidpk]

also, discussing crimes with your lawyer isn't covered by the rules of lawyer/client privilege

[Gelston]

also, discussing crimes with your lawyer isn't covered by the rules of lawyer/client privilege

False. An attorney may not be able the ethically plead Not Guilty on behalf of a client if the client admitted to crimes (the client can still plead on their own) but it is still protected, unless the client waives it.

A lawyer may inform on IMPENDING crimes, such as if the client says he is about to go kill someone.

[drauz]

also, discussing crimes with your lawyer isn't covered by the rules of lawyer/client privilege

Um, yes it is. Are you fucking high?

[Androidpk]

Um, yes it is. Are you fucking high?

No. You cannot use attorney/client privilege as a shield if you're discussing committing a crime or covering a crime up. It's called crime/fraud exception, look it up. It's why Cohen was raided back in April.

[Gelston]

No. You cannot use attorney/client privilege as a shield if you're discussing committing a crime or covering a crime up. It's called crime/fraud exception, look it up. It's why Cohen was raided back in April.

You can't use it to plan a crime, no. Then he is just an accessory and not a lawyer. You can use it to discuss a crime you have committed if you are looking at your legal options.

You can't use it to subpoena the PC for IPs because you are butthurt either.

[drauz]

No. You cannot use attorney/client privilege as a shield if you're discussing committing a crime or covering a crime up. It's called crime/fraud exception, look it up. It's why Cohen was raided back in April.

That recording sounds like a lawyer giving his client options. I've only heard 1 of the 12 tapes so the others may tell a different story, but it seems like a lawyer telling a client their options how to move forward. The client should be able to have a reasonable expectation that these are legal options. I don't think this particular tape is the smoking gun people are making it out to be. Again the other tapes could paint a different story.

[Ardwen]

The weird part of the story may be the person Trump is talking to in the background on his Phone, if the timeline is correct it is very likely Pam Bondi who is just about to dismiss charges against him in the Trump U thing in Florida.

[Neveragain]

PK's legal advice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbtpBTfCR70

[peam]

PROBABLY A BIG NOTHINGBURGER GUYS

[time4fun]

No. You cannot use attorney/client privilege as a shield if you're discussing committing a crime or covering a crime up. It's called crime/fraud exception, look it up. It's why Cohen was raided back in April.

Right. You can discuss OTHER crimes. But you aren't covered if you're committing a crime together.

[time4fun]

That recording sounds like a lawyer giving his client options. I've only heard 1 of the 12 tapes so the others may tell a different story, but it seems like a lawyer telling a client their options how to move forward. The client should be able to have a reasonable expectation that these are legal options. I don't think this particular tape is the smoking gun people are making it out to be. Again the other tapes could paint a different story.

It's not giving options. They're discussing what they're already going to do. If a payment had actually occurred, this would be evidence of a crime. (At minimum- fraud for applying for financing and creating a business under false terms- which is what happened with the Daniels payment).

Having said that- there was never any payment. So there's no obvious crime here.

What it does show is that Trump is a liar, and it's further evidence that Trump is VERY hands on when it comes to his dirty work. That has some implications for the Russia investigation.

But this isn't going to convince any Trump supporters to suddenly stop supporting him. They already either know he's a crook (and don't care), or they're deluded and have already rationalized far worse.

But the fact that people continue to take his word on things even after the literal thousands of lies is pretty mind blowing.

[Androidpk]

The weird part of the story may be the person Trump is talking to in the background on his Phone, if the timeline is correct it is very likely Pam Bondi who is just about to dismiss charges against him in the Trump U thing in Florida.

I'm sure the $25k donation Trump made to Bondi's campaign had nothing to do with her dismissing charges against Trump U!

[Tgo01]

also, discussing crimes with your lawyer isn't covered by the rules of lawyer/client privilege

Guy: Hey they are pressing charges against me because I robbed a gas station, what should I do?
Lawyer: Well since you just discussed a crime with me I have no choice but to turn over this audio evidence to the police. Have a good day.

Jesus Christ you are a fucking moron.

[time4fun]

Guy: Hey they are pressing charges against me because I robbed a gas station, what should I do?
Lawyer: Well since you just discussed a crime with me I have no choice but to turn over this audio evidence to the police. Have a good day.

Jesus Christ you are a fucking moron.

It's pretty obvious that he was discussing the crime/fraud exemption and referencing crimes committed with your attorney.

Though I get the confusion- given your notorious weaknesses in reading comprehension and logical reasoning.

[Androidpk]

Jesus Christ I'm a fucking moron.

derp

[Astray]

"I didn't hear that" is a thing too. Just saying.

[Tgo01]

It's pretty obvious that he was discussing the crime/fraud exemption and referencing crimes committed with your attorney.

Then your grasp of the crime-fraud exemption is as tenuous as pk's is.

The client (in this case Trump) is the one who has the attorney-client privilege. A lawyer can't unilaterally decide to breach that privilege unless someone's life is in danger. This is why pk's first two sources showed that Trump waived the privilege which is why the releasing of this tape was allowed, not because Trump "committed crimes with" Cohen.

I understand that I just called pk a fucking moron and you felt left out because you're used to being the biggest moron on the PC, but it's time to sit back for a while and let pk have his time in the sun.

[Androidpk]

This is why pk's first two sources showed that Trump waived the privilege

Thanks for pointing out something that I posted?

Another one of Tgo's attempted "gotchas" falling flat on its face. GG

[time4fun]

Lord- 82% of Republicans actually think Donald Trump tells the truth all of the time or most of the time. (http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_Nature-of-the-Sample-and-Tables_Pres.-Trump-Congress-and-the-Midterm-Elections_July-2018_181807241056.pdf#page=3)

This country is doomed.

[Astray]

Lord- 82% of Republicans actually think Donald Trump tells the truth all of the time or most of the time. (http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_Nature-of-the-Sample-and-Tables_Pres.-Trump-Congress-and-the-Midterm-Elections_July-2018_181807241056.pdf#page=3)

This country is doomed.

You treat your acquaintances and experiences with them like stretch goals in a Patreon. You're so happy and quick to bust out that you know a black person or a gay person or a transsexual but you're completely and politically retarded.

Whatever you have to say on the state of the country is garbage because you're such a distorted individual you don't know where you end and a movement begins.

You're a real garbage human being.

[time4fun]

Then your grasp of the crime-fraud exemption is as tenuous as pk's is.

The client (in this case Trump) is the one who has the attorney-client privilege. A lawyer can't unilaterally decide to breach that privilege unless someone's life is in danger. This is why pk's first two sources showed that Trump waived the privilege which is why the releasing of this tape was allowed, not because Trump "committed crimes with" Cohen.

I understand that I just called pk a fucking moron and you felt left out because you're used to being the biggest moron on the PC, but it's time to sit back for a while and let pk have his time in the sun.

*facepalm*

Yeah genius- I posted on this extensively and argued with the conservative trolls about this months ago when Cohen's lawyer initially tried to invoke attorney-client privilege to protect himself. I know how the crime-fraud exemption works. More to the point:

1) What you're saying it completely irrelevant. The point of my post was that you missed that PK was referring to the crime-fraud exemption in the first place. Discussing how attorney-client privilege works has absolutely no bearing on that.

2) I already said that there was no crime committed. So your second point is equally irrelevant.

But really great job demonstrating your lack of reading comprehension and logical reasoning skills.

[Tgo01]

Thanks for pointing out something that I posted?

Another one of Tgo's attempted "gotchas" falling flat on its face. GG

That wasn't the "gotcha." If you had just stopped posting with that post you would have actually said something smart for the first time in months.

You then followed up with:


also, discussing crimes with your lawyer isn't covered by the rules of lawyer/client privilege

In response to drauz's question about Cohen releasing these tapes being a breach of confidentiality. Again, the lawyer doesn't get to decide that.

As if that weren't bad enough you then offered up this gem:


No. You cannot use attorney/client privilege as a shield if you're discussing committing a crime or covering a crime up. It's called crime/fraud exception, look it up. It's why Cohen was raided back in April.

Cohen's office being raided had nothing to do with the crime-fraud exception and in fact a judge was assigned to go over everything seized and decide if they fall under client-attorney privilege.

But then again you think one does not have to prove damages in a slander case so I understand you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Androidpk]

That wasn't the "gotcha." If you had just stopped posting with that post you would have actually said something smart for the first time in months.

You then followed up with:



In response to drauz's question about Cohen releasing these tapes being a breach of confidentiality. Again, the lawyer doesn't get to decide that.

As if that weren't bad enough you then offered up this gem:



Cohen's office being raided had nothing to do with the crime-fraud exception and in fact a judge was assigned to go over everything seized and decide if they fall under client-attorney privilege.

But then again you think one does not have to prove damages in a slander case so I understand you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Poor tgo, you try so hard to entrap people in your gotchas but you just coming out looking dumber than ever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[time4fun]

Poor tgo, you try so hard to entrap people in your gotchas but you just coming out looking dumber than ever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's just his way.

[Androidpk]

The raid on Cohen's office was allowed precisely because it was believed he was covering up a crime by destroying evidence. Are you really this dumb?

[Tgo01]

I know how the crime-fraud exemption works.

Right, sure you do.


The point of my post was that you missed that PK was referring to the crime-fraud exemption in the first place.

You didn't have a point because you're just making shit up to defend the only bigger piece of shit on the PC than you. pk's actual words said it isn't a client privilege to discuss crimes with a lawyer. Full stop. Just because you want to read more into his post like you always do when you want to attack/defend someone doesn't change the fact that pk said an incredibly dumb thing.


2) I already said that there was no crime committed.

No crime committed? Great. Guess we can shut down the Mueller investigation and all investigations that stemmed from that.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/kCp8NQi.jpg

[Tgo01]

The raid on Cohen's office was allowed precisely because it was believed he was covering up a crime by destroying evidence. Are you really this dumb?

Which has nothing to do with attorney-client privilege or the crime-fraud exception.

Do you think if a lawyer is accused of murder the prosecutors have to first gain a crime-fraud exception in order to raid his house/offices? Are YOU really this dumb?

pk, just stick to blackmailing and threatening people on the PC. It's embarrassing how little you know about the things you claim to know a lot about.

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/kCp8NQi.jpg

You're quoting Preet Bharara now? The icing on the dumbass cake.

[Androidpk]

wah! wah! wah!

:lol:

[Astray]

Yeah, changing quotes doesn't help an argument or vindicate you.

Can we all stop that shit?

[Androidpk]

You're quoting Preet Bharara now? The icing on the dumbass cake.

Yes, I quoted a highly respected former US Attorney.

[time4fun]

You're quoting Preet Bharara now? The icing on the dumbass cake.

....there are no words.

[Tgo01]

Yes, I quoted a highly respected former US Attorney.

You mean highly respected because he refused to resign when asked, was fired, then became a hero/martyr to the left because he became so anti-Trump after being fired right?

I can also tell when you and time4fun finally realize what a bunch of dumbasses you sound like because you no longer even attempt to put forth any sort of arguments, you just start to shout meaningless one liners.

Tell us again how the raid on Cohen's office was because of the fraud-crime exception.

[Androidpk]

Tell us again how the raid on Cohen's office was because of the fraud-crime exception.

The Cohen raid was signed off because of the fraud-crime exception. Unless you have proof that it wasn't, we'd love to hear it. I'll wait.

[Wrathbringer]

The Cohen raid was signed off because of the fraud-crime exception. Unless you have proof that it wasn't, we'd love to hear it. I'll wait.

Check on those subpoenas while you're waiting.

[Tgo01]

The Cohen raid was signed off because of the fraud-crime exception. Unless you have proof that it wasn't, we'd love to hear it. I'll wait.

You really don't understand the things you read. The raid was signed off on because they convinced a judge they have reason to believe a crime was committed.

Trump then said they were seizing documents that fall under attorney-client privilege, and Preet, being the anti-Trump piece of garbage that he is, then said they can seize those documents because it falls under the crime-fraud exception, implying that Trump discussed committing future crimes with his lawyer.

Do you understand now? Need me to explain to you again how slander laws work while I'm at it?

[Androidpk]

Trump then said..

:lol2:

fuck off nazi

[time4fun]

You mean highly respected because he refused to resign when asked, was fired, then became a hero/martyr to the left because he became so anti-Trump after being fired right?

Literally none of that has anything to do with his legal expertise. You do understand that, right?



I can also tell when you and time4fun finally realize what a bunch of dumbasses you sound like because you no longer even attempt to put forth any sort of arguments, you just start to shout meaningless one liners.

It doesn't usually take more than one line to point out that you're wrong. What you say tends to be incredibly inaccurate on its face.




Tell us again how the raid on Cohen's office was because of the fraud-crime exception.

Um...how else do you think that a lawyer's office was raided? Crime-fraud is the only exception to attorney-client privilege that the Federal government can claim. The other exceptions don't apply.

[Methais]

Check on those subpoenas while you're waiting.

:lol:

[Astray]

fuck off nazi

So is that a BLANKET write off for every Trump supporter or is it like "too lazy for a real argument" type of deal?

[Methais]

:lol2:

fuck off nazi

LOOK OUT DREAVEN PK REALLY PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE THIS TIME OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG RIP TGO1!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[Androidpk]

So is that a BLANKET write off for every Trump supporter

Not all Trump supporters are nazis but some (a lot) nazis are Trump supporters.

[Astray]

Not all Trump supporters are nazis but some (a lot) nazis are Trump supporters.

Do you have a definitive, unbiased source?

[Methais]

Not all Trump supporters are nazis but some (a lot) nazis are Trump supporters.

This sounds like a fun game. Let me try...

Not all democrats are communists but some (a lot) communists are democrats.

OH WOW I SURE SHOWED YOU JUST LIKE YOU SHOWED ASTRAY!!!!!!1

[Parkbandit]

Do you have a definitive, unbiased source?

CNN and motherjones.com told him.

Also, he has super secret sources that are Google.

[Neveragain]

California is doomed.


A Calif. bill would jail people for handing out straws.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/30/a-calif-bill-would-jail-people-for-handing-out-straws-it-may-be-based-on-a-childs-research/?utm_term=.1d2d7f69c227

The bill listed jail sentences of up to six months, fines of up to $1,000 or combinations thereof for offenders. Calderon told The Washington Post that he never intended criminal penalties to be in the final law.


Proposed SF law could force tech workers to actually go out for lunch
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Tech-industry-s-coveted-office-cafeterias-could-13101014.php

In an attempt to attract employees to local restaurants and businesses, Supervisors Ahsha Safaí and Aaron Peskin are co-sponsoring an ordinance that would ban “employee cafeterias” from new office buildings in the city. This comes as local retailers, particularly those downtown, complain of a drop in business as more companies offer their workers meals in private corporate cafeterias, Safaí said.

“And you can’t compete with free,” said Gwyneth Borden, executive director of the Golden Gate Restaurant Association.

[Androidpk]

Weird, it's like the same group of people get on every day just to troll the politics folder and talk shit.

[Parkbandit]

Weird, it's like the same group of people get on every day just to troll the politics folder and talk shit.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/image.php?u=2297&dateline=1426411229

[Astray]

Weird, it's like the same group of people get on every day just to troll the politics folder and talk shit.

EY. You ignored my question.

[Neveragain]

Weird, it's like the same group of people get on every day just to troll the politics folder and talk shit.

https://i.redd.it/77mfbgqfot7z.jpg

[Astray]

Arizona is a stand your ground state and in every room in my place has an emergency gun.

[Neveragain]

EY. You ignored my question.

They always do. I suggest masking your IP before PK gets a subpoena.

[Methais]

Weird, it's like the same group of people get on every day just to troll the politics folder and talk shit.

Weird, it's almost as if the same people who post regularly on a message board are posting regularly on a message board.

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[Tgo01]

Literally none of that has anything to do with his legal expertise.

I didn't say it did, I specifically was talking about him being "highly respected." It's right there in my post that you quoted.


Um...how else do you think that a lawyer's office was raided? Crime-fraud is the only exception to attorney-client privilege that the Federal government can claim. The other exceptions don't apply.

Again, I said how in the post you responded to. Are you having trouble with your reading comprehension these days?

Cohen's offices were raided because the government thinks HE committed a crime. They raided his offices looking for evidence of the crime HE allegedly committed and since he is a lawyer with clients a judge was assigned to look over the evidence to see if any of it falls under attorney-client privilege and thus couldn't be used in the possible criminal proceedings.

Can you and pk just now admit you have no fucking clue what you are talking about and just shut up already? Really pk already did this when his only response was to call me a Nazi. Let's see your incredible retort to save face.

[Androidpk]

I didn't say it did, I specifically was talking about him being "highly respected." It's right there in my post that you quoted.



Again, I said how in the post you responded to. Are you having trouble with your reading comprehension these days?

Cohen's offices were raided because the government thinks HE committed a crime. They raided his offices looking for evidence of the crime HE allegedly committed and since he is a lawyer with clients a judge was assigned to look over the evidence to see if any of it falls under attorney-client privilege and thus couldn't be used in the possible criminal proceedings.

Can you and pk just now admit you have no fucking clue what you are talking about and just shut up already? Really pk already did this when his only response was to call me a Nazi. Let's see your incredible retort to save face.

lol nazi

[Androidpk]

Lanny Davis, Cohen’s lawyer, told Axios that we’ll soon learn more about what his client “saw and heard” during his long stint as Trump’s attorney and fixer. “Michael Cohen has made a turn. This is on the record—Michael and I talked about it,” Davis reportedly said. “I’m not saying there are more tapes as telling as [this] one... but there are more tapes.... There is more to come.” The lawyer went on to say that leaking the tape to CNN was Cohen sending a message to Trump that: “I am no longer the previous Michael Cohen that you knew—taking a bullet for Donald Trump, saying anything to defend him, being a good soldier.... That is over.”

[Neveragain]

Lanny Davis, Cohen’s lawyer, told Axios that we’ll soon learn more about what his client “saw and heard” during his long stint as Trump’s attorney and fixer. “Michael Cohen has made a turn. This is on the record—Michael and I talked about it,” Davis reportedly said. “I’m not saying there are more tapes as telling as [this] one... but there are more tapes.... There is more to come.” The lawyer went on to say that leaking the tape to CNN was Cohen sending a message to Trump that: “I am no longer the previous Michael Cohen that you knew—taking a bullet for Donald Trump, saying anything to defend him, being a good soldier.... That is over.”

So, still no collusion?

[Tgo01]

So, still no collusion?

Naww, Trump is going down for real this time.

Funny part is this guy says the other tapes aren't as damaging as the one released today is, and the tape released day is pretty much nothing. So more of nothing to come!

[Androidpk]

So, still no collusion?

wrong

[drauz]

*facepalm*

Yeah genius- I posted on this extensively and argued with the conservative trolls about this months ago when Cohen's lawyer initially tried to invoke attorney-client privilege to protect himself. I know how the crime-fraud exemption works. More to the point:

1) What you're saying it completely irrelevant. The point of my post was that you missed that PK was referring to the crime-fraud exemption in the first place. Discussing how attorney-client privilege works has absolutely no bearing on that.

2) I already said that there was no crime committed. So your second point is equally irrelevant.

But really great job demonstrating your lack of reading comprehension and logical reasoning skills.

This was already deemed protected by the people handling the search. The only reason it is allowed out is because the Trump defense team seem to be literal morons.

[drauz]

God damn the term nazi is going to lose all meaning when it is thrown out so much over opinion differences. To the point where no one is gonna believe them when they find actual nazis. Crying wolf only works for so long.

[drauz]

Arizona is a stand your ground state and in every room in my place has an emergency gun.

If its the daytime can't you just push them outside and they burn up under the sun?

[Androidpk]

This was already deemed protected by the people handling the search. The only reason it is allowed out is because the Trump defense team seem to be literal morons.

Trump only hires the best.

[Seizer]

God damn the term nazi is going to lose all meaning when it is thrown out so much over opinion differences. To the point where no one is gonna believe them when they find actual nazis. Crying wolf only works for so long.

It must be Godwin day.

[Androidpk]

If its the daytime can't you just push them outside and they burn up under the sun?

Is he under assault by vampires?

[time4fun]

This was already deemed protected by the people handling the search. The only reason it is allowed out is because the Trump defense team seem to be literal morons.

Right- because there was no crime.

And yes, they figured they could spin the tape as proof that Trump is innocent. And if that's their strategy- imagine how bad the truth must be.

[drauz]

Is he under assault by vampires?

https://i.imgur.com/EnrWs9g.png

[Androidpk]

Right- because there was no crime.

And yes, they figured they could spin the tape as proof that Trump is innocent. And if that's their strategy- imagine how bad the truth must be.

I'm pretty sure they released the tape to change the news away from his disastrous meeting with Putin.

[Astray]

https://i.imgur.com/EnrWs9g.png

You're God damn right.

[time4fun]

I'm pretty sure they released the tape to change the news away from his disastrous meeting with Putin.

That does feel like the more likely explanation, and it's their standard play in these situations.

It's pretty amazing how low our standards have gotten for President of the United States in just a year and a half.

[Androidpk]

Federal investigators have reportedly seized more than 100 recordings made by Michael Cohen that could involve President Trump or his businesses, according to The Washington Post. Two sources cited in the report say some of the recordings feature Trump talking, while a significant portion of the tapes come from Cohen secretly recording reporters inquiring about Trump both during the 2016 presidential campaign and after he won the election.

[Wrathbringer]

Federal investigators have reportedly seized more than 100 recordings made by Michael Cohen that could involve President Trump or his businesses, according to The Washington Post. Two sources cited in the report say some of the recordings feature Trump talking, while a significant portion of the tapes come from Cohen secretly recording reporters inquiring about Trump both during the 2016 presidential campaign and after he won the election.

Stfu, no one cares.

[Wrathbringer]

That does feel like the more likely explanation, and it's their standard play in these situations.

It's pretty amazing how low our standards have gotten for President of the United States in just a year and a half.

Lol you're so butthurt. 4more years!

[Parkbandit]

That does feel like the more likely explanation, and it's their standard play in these situations.

It's pretty amazing how low our standards have gotten for President of the United States in just a year and a half.

Not as low as this though!

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[Androidpk]

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[Tgo01]

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I love how these people just throw out buzz words like "conspired" and the anti-Trump goons go crazy.

I once "conspired" with my friend in grade school to buy an NES game together.

[Androidpk]

I love how these people just throw out buzz words like "conspired" and the anti-Trump goons go crazy.

I once "conspired" with my friend in grade school to buy an NES game together.

If Trump and Cohen were working to keep these payoffs a secret then yes, they were conspiring. If you and your friend were trying to keep your purchase a secret then yes, that is conspiring. Yay, you learned a new word!

[Tgo01]

If Trump and Cohen were working to keep these payoffs a secret then yes, they were conspiring. If you and your friend were trying to keep your purchase a secret then yes, that is conspiring. Yay, you learned a new word!

So we're not suggesting anything illegal necessarily happened? Just that Trump had secret conversations with his attorney? This IS breaking news.

[Parkbandit]

So we're not suggesting anything illegal necessarily happened? Just that Trump had secret conversations with his attorney? This IS breaking news.

https://media.giphy.com/media/rl0FOxdz7CcxO/giphy.gif

[Androidpk]

So we're not suggesting anything illegal necessarily happened? Just that Trump had secret conversations with his attorney? This IS breaking news.

You keep trying to set a straw man argument and fail miserably.

[Tgo01]

You keep trying to set a straw man argument and fail miserably.

Well make up your mind. Does Avenatti's tweet suggest something illegal happened on those tapes or not?

[Androidpk]

obvious troll is obvious

[Tgo01]

obvious troll is obvious

Just please don't subpoena me :(

[time4fun]

So we're not suggesting anything illegal necessarily happened? Just that Trump had secret conversations with his attorney? This IS breaking news.

Actually, those payments are all potential violations of Federal election law and, based on the Stormy Daniels situation, may also have involved no small amount of Fraud. Avenatti's flare for the dramatic aside, he is using the word "conspired" in its legal sense.

And he's using it correctly.

[Methais]

So we're not suggesting anything illegal necessarily happened? Just that Trump had secret conversations with his attorney? This IS breaking news.


You keep trying to set a straw man argument and fail miserably.


Well make up your mind. Does Avenatti's tweet suggest something illegal happened on those tapes or not?


obvious troll is obvious

Quoted in case anyone later needs to see how every conversation ever with pk goes.

[Parkbandit]

Actually, those payments are all potential violations of Federal election law and, based on the Stormy Daniels situation, may also have involved no small amount of Fraud. Avenatti's flare for the dramatic aside, he is using the word "conspired" in its legal sense.

And he's using it correctly.

"Potential" is the only thing the Democrats have to go on.

Poor things.

The 2018 Midterms have a potential of being a gigantic blue wave that will flood the entire country with liberalism!!

Probably not though :(

[Parkbandit]

Quoted in case anyone later needs to see how every conversation ever with pk goes.

Not really.

PK didn't:

1) Call tgo01 a pedophile, tub installer or wife beater.
2) Threaten tgo01 with legal action
3) Threaten to dox tgo01 and get him fired from his job for hurting his feelings.

Please fix your post or I'll be forced to report it.

[Methais]

Not really.

PK didn't:

1) Call tgo01 a pedophile, tub installer or wife beater.
2) Threaten tgo01 with legal action
3) Threaten to dox tgo01 and get him fired from his job for hurting his feelings.

Please fix your post or I'll be forced to report it.

My bad, please don't subpoena my IP.

[Tgo01]

Actually, those payments are all potential violations of Federal election law and, based on the Stormy Daniels situation, may also have involved no small amount of Fraud.

Everything is a "potential" crime if we don't have all of the details and just start conjecturing on what we don't know.


Avenatti's flare for the dramatic aside, he is using the word "conspired" in its legal sense.

And he's using it correctly.

So he's saying something illegal happened because Trump "conspired" with his lawyer? Gonna need more information than just the buzz word "conspire."

[Androidpk]

Everything is a "potential" crime if we don't have all of the details and just start conjecturing on what we don't know.



So he's saying something illegal happened because Trump "conspired" with his lawyer? Gonna need more information than just the buzz word "conspire."


who said illegal, besides you?

[Methais]

Everything is a "potential" crime if we don't have all of the details and just start conjecturing on what we don't know.



So he's saying something illegal happened because Trump "conspired" with his lawyer? Gonna need more information than just the buzz word "conspire."

Be careful, your post could be a crime for reasons yet to be determined.

[Tgo01]

who said illegal, besides you?


So we're not suggesting anything illegal necessarily happened? Just that Trump had secret conversations with his attorney? This IS breaking news.

.

[time4fun]

Everything is a "potential" crime if we don't have all of the details and just start conjecturing on what we don't know.



So he's saying something illegal happened because Trump "conspired" with his lawyer? Gonna need more information than just the buzz word "conspire."

You are correct that it's all in "potential crime" territory. And, under normal circumstances, it would be appropriate to give a lot of the benefit of the doubt.

But this isn't a normal circumstance. We're talking about two people who are mired in shady business dealings, who flaunt their ability to break the law, and whose activities have already presented a very strong case for probable cause- enough to get a lawyer's office raided. And, by all accounts, a lot of that probable cause was based on a hush money payment. Given how many of these payments appear to have occurred, and given how unlikely it is that they would only have broken a bunch of laws in one of those situations (and just kept every other hush money payment on the up and up), I would say that it's fair to be suspicious.

[Tgo01]

But this isn't a normal circumstance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbXvfl82m3U

[Methais]

B-b-b-but this time it’s different because Trump!