Bernie Sanders has a great great grand-daughter? - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Look at her platform.

I believe she checks all the socialist boxes and will do amazing with anyone who doesn't have a job, pay taxes, understand debt and anything financially related and probably every self-entitled millennial who thinks the world owes them something (just so long as that something comes from someone else with a job that will pay for it).



Medicare For All (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#create-medicare-for-all) - speaks for itself
Housing As a Human Right (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#housing-as-a-human-right) - "Alexandria believes that housing is a right"
A Federal Jobs Guarantee (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#a-federal-jobs-guarantee) - "A Federal Jobs Guarantee would create a baseline quality for employments that guarantees a minimum $15 wage (pegged to inflation), full healthcare, and paid child and sick leave for all."
Gun Control / Assault Weapons Ban (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#gun-control-assault-weapons-ban) - "It’s clear that the Founding Fathers did not have assault weapons in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment. "
Criminal Justice Reform, End Private Prisons (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#criminal-justice-reform-end-private-prisons) - "Alexandria believes in ending mass incarceration and the war on drugs, and closing the school-to-prison pipeline. "
Immigration Justice / Abolish ICE (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#immigration-justice-abolish-ice) - "As overseen by the Trump administration, ICE operates with virtually no accountability, ripping apart families and holding our friends and neighbors indefinitely in inhumane detention centers scattered across the United States. Alex believes that if we are to uphold civic justice, we must abolish ICE and see to it that our undocumented neighbors are treated with the dignity and respect owed to all people, regardless of citizenship status."
Solidarity with Puerto Rico (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#solidarity-with-puerto-rico) - "4) Cancellation of Puerto Rico’s Wall Street debt: this debt has been accrued by vulture funds using irresponsible and unjust behavior reminiscent of the 2008 financial crisis."
Mobilizing Against Climate Change (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#mobilizing-against-climate-change) - "In order to address runaway global climate change, Alexandria strongly supports transitioning the United States to a carbon-free, 100% renewable energy system and a fully modernized electrical grid by 2035."
Clean Campaign Finance (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#clean-campaign-finance-reform) - Lots of shit why the wealthy run politics, I actually agree here.
Higher Education for All (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#higher-education-for-all) - "Alexandria’s plan would make tuition free at public colleges and universities throughout the country."
Women's Rights (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#womens-rights) - "Alexandria does not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on the ability of individuals to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education."
Support LGBTQIA+ (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#support-lgbtqia) - "Republicans at every level of government are eager to make trans and non-binary people targets for persecution, and routinely draft legislation that would deny many people their rights to basic employment, housing, healthcare and education on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation."
Support Seniors (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#support-seniors) - Essentially, tax the rich to bailout a failing program. I guess she doesn't understand that SS is meant to be about 40% of the funds necessary to survive in retirement, that people need to plan... oh, she also says we need to expand Medicaid.
Curb Wall Street Gambling: Restore Glass Steagall (https://ocasio2018.com/issues#curb-wall-street-gambling-restore-glass-steagall) - break up big banks, poor money into the US postal service as a means to increase competition in the banking industry.


So, to summarize, she would like to do all the above, with literally zero mention to how it's paid for.

Today, if you pay taxes, your US national debt portion is $175,000.

For all the warhawks out there, we can literally cut 100% of the annual defense/war budget items from our "budget" and we will STILL be running a deficit of over 150,000,000,000 annually.

To recap, free healthcare for everyone, free college education for everyone, guaranteed job and double min wage for everyone, dissolve debt of puerto rico cause "unfair", free housing for the poor, let the non-violent criminals out, get rid of ICE entirely, 100% unrealistic "carbon free" USA, federally funded abortion, alphabet soup day, hate the rich and bankers, and lets ban "assault weapons"...

Don't get me wrong, there are things in there I agree with and frankly are common sense things and probably even feasible. I just could never get past the batshit crazy to even consider her as a serious candidate for anything in the United States. Fucking New Yorkers are clearly retarded.

[Parkbandit]

BUT I LIKE FREE STUFF!!!! I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR HER!

She sounds a lot like our own Backlash.

[Stumplicker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...uh..the zero mention of how it's paid for part...historically..is higher taxes. Politicians don't mention that because obviously politicians don't mention that. Sweden has a lot of the more expensive line items, like universal healthcare. The average US income tax is something like 27%, right? I think Sweden's is something like 53%. That's how it's paid for, so the blurb at the end there about "oh my gosh we'd never be able to pay for it!"... Well yeah, if everything remains the same and all those programs are implemented, we'd never be able to pay for it.

Whether it's a good idea or not to implement all those things is a valid source of debate, but your numbers are fairy wishes. I can see programs there I like in your list, and programs I don't like or think that would need a massive overhaul before more funding were given to them.

[Ardwen]

I think essentially every single thing on that list, many of which I don't agree with is better then paying 700+ dollars a day to imprison children stolen from people at the border. Or to pay for pens, coins, airfare and massive security for cabinet officials. The list of things money is being wasted on in this and in past administrations is long and ridiculous.

[rolfard]

I think essentially every single thing on that list, many of which I don't agree with is better then paying 700+ dollars a day to imprison children stolen from people at the border. Or to pay for pens, coins, airfare and massive security for cabinet officials. The list of things money is being wasted on in this and in past administrations is long and ridiculous.

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[Taernath]

Today, if you pay taxes, your US national debt portion is $175,000.

17 years of military adventurism will do that.

[Wrathbringer]

17 years of military adventurism will do that.

This is correct, yet unfortunately, the MIC rolls ahead.

[Ardwen]

17? been way more than 17 years.

[Neveragain]

I think essentially every single thing on that list, many of which I don't agree with is better then paying 700+ dollars a day to imprison children stolen from people at the border. Or to pay for pens, coins, airfare and massive security for cabinet officials. The list of things money is being wasted on in this and in past administrations is long and ridiculous.

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The cost is .23 cents for anyone that tries to cross the border illegally.

[Taernath]

17? been way more than 17 years.

There was a huge explosion in debt-per-capita after 9/11.

[Stumplicker]

As far as the policies up there go, a few stuck out to me. My preferences for them are a mix of pro and con socialist bits.

I'm against the increase of the minimum wage. I live in a state where that minimum has been increased several times in the past few years and in an already very tight market, it's becoming very difficult to compete with such a comparative increase in overhead to the competition.

That said, it's clear that for the past maybe 40 years now, the middle of the heap has been increasingly pushed towards the lower end of the pay spectrum within our corporate culture, and the value of that minimum wage when adjusted for inflation has been decreasing since the late 1960s.

To that end, I am for subsidized universal education. In our corporate culture it's become the norm to require university education for entry level positions, and when those entry level positions are consistently on the decline in salary value, massive student debt is a huge problem. Before Universal Education subsidies would be a good idea however, we'd have to curb the predatory practices of for-profit universities and book publishers.

They've got a captive audience and mark up their products in many cases several thousand percent, whether by increasing credit hour rates the further into a degree one gets, or simply tacking on a 10,000% increase in cost to a book required. While the student technically has a choice to walk away rather than buy the book required by their University's course for an absurd price, it's at the cost of potentially several hundred thousand dollars already invested in education, and their ability to pay off that debt in the future. It borders on indentured service, and needs to be capped and regulated to avoid Government overspending within that universal program.

Puerto Rico absolutely should be receiving the same disaster relief as any other US State or City would. It's part of the US. We need to support it so it can support itself. To that end, I'm also for not cancelling Puerto Rico's Wall Street Debt on the whole, but instead settling it from a Federal standpoint, and then requiring Puerto Rico to pay it back into programs that support their own economic infrastructure in a way that makes them better able to support themselves. Puerto Rico is not and should not be a charity case. It should however be given the opportunity and means to become a strong capitalistic base on its own to support its own needs and earn its integration as a state.

Fortunately, we live in a country where individual policies can be weighed, voted on, and implemented on a case by case basis. If Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were elected to a post, she would not be able to wave a magic wand and make all of her viewpoints happen without support for those ideas. As far as I can see, they largely aren't bad ideas. They're not in many cases exactly the solutions I would like to see implemented and I feel there are better solutions available, but they do represent proposed solutions to a lot of very real issues. It's hard to find fault in that.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think essentially every single thing on that list, many of which I don't agree with is better then paying 700+ dollars a day to imprison children stolen from people at the border. Or to pay for pens, coins, airfare and massive security for cabinet officials. The list of things money is being wasted on in this and in past administrations is long and ridiculous.

The cost to split an illegal alien from their child doesn't even count as rounding error in our budget. It literally is not a hundredth of a percent.

Not that I disagree with anything you said, just that we have bigger fish to fry than the latest lets trash trump media focus.

[Fortybox]

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[Gelston]

Is she the chick that beat out the Pelosi's successor?

[RichardCranium]

Is she the chick that beat out the Pelosi's successor?

Yes. Good for Pelosi, bad for the DNC.

[Parkbandit]

Yes. Good for Pelosi, bad for the DNC.

At least she's somewhat honest. The DNC supports all of her positions, but because they are socialist/communist ideas, they pretend they don't agree with them at all.

[Back]

What we might see as a reaction to the authoritarian capitalist nationalist hardline of the Trump administration is something even farther left than where democrats are now. Considering that Bernie and his socialist policies were as popular as they were there may be more and more socialist candidates taking spots away from democrats. And I'm more than happy with that.

The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

LMAO. Some things never change.

[Neveragain]

LMAO. Some things never change.

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[RichardCranium]

At least she's somewhat honest. The DNC supports all of her positions, but because they are socialist/communist ideas, they pretend they don't agree with them at all.


What we might see as a reaction to the authoritarian capitalist nationalist hardline of the Trump administration is something even farther left than where democrats are now. Considering that Bernie and his socialist policies were as popular as they were there may be more and more socialist candidates taking spots away from democrats. And I'm more than happy with that.

The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win.

I meant that she beat out the only viable successor to Pelosi. Good for Pelosi, bad for the DNC.

[Parkbandit]

What we might see as a reaction to the authoritarian capitalist nationalist hardline of the Trump administration is something even farther left than where democrats are now. Considering that Bernie and his socialist policies were as popular as they were there may be more and more socialist candidates taking spots away from democrats. And I'm more than happy with that.

The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win.

How exactly are you being "oppressed"?

Who's "oppressing" you?

Be specific.

In before you slink back under your rock because you heard "The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win" and you thought it sounded cool.. even though you have no idea what you are even talking about.

[Neveragain]

How exactly are you being "oppressed"?

Who's "oppressing" you?

Be specific.

In before you slink back under your rock because you heard "The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win" and you thought it sounded cool.. even though you have no idea what you are even talking about.

Not owning the latest Iphone, which is produced using slave labor, is oppression.

Like fuck dude, get with it bro.

[Back]

garbage

Thanks for making the PC such a shithole. Please go away.

[Astray]

Oof.

[Neveragain]

Thanks for making the PC such a shithole. Please go away.

Please grow up, that shit stopped working in the 4th grade.

P.S. Stop oppressing me.

[~Rocktar~]

The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win.

How's that working out for Venezuela, Mexico and the 100 million+ killed in the last 120 years under Socialist/Communist governments?

[Furryrat]

How's that working out for Venezuela, Mexico and the 100 million+ killed in the last 120 years under Socialist/Communist governments?

Mexico just rose up against the oppressor (Germany) and won!

[Gelston]

Mexico just rose up against the oppressor (Germany) and won!

Germany would never oppress anyone. Reported for slander.

[Seizer]

The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win.
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[Parkbandit]

Thanks for making the PC such a shithole. Please go away.

So.. you really aren't "oppressed", but you would like to be in a position to oppress others.

Typical "progressive".

Thank you for reminding everyone what a retard you are and how lucky they are to have a functioning brain cell. Never go away.

[Back]

So.. you really aren't "oppressed", but you would like to be in a position to oppress others.

Typical "progressive".

Thank you for reminding everyone what a retard you are and how lucky they are to have a functioning brain cell. Never go away.

Defending that garbage makes you look like as big of a jackass as him. Not surprised though.

[Gelston]

Defending that garbage makes you look like as big of a jackass as him. Not surprised though.

You being you makes you a fucking retard.

[Neveragain]

Defending that garbage makes you look like as big of a jackass as him. Not surprised though.

WTF is there to defend? Like nobody in the US is oppressed, even our poor are fat fuckers.

Quit pretending this is the 60's, it's fake as fuck.

[Methais]

What we might see as a reaction to the authoritarian capitalist nationalist hardline of the Trump administration is something even farther left than where democrats are now. Considering that Bernie and his socialist policies were as popular as they were there may be more and more socialist candidates taking spots away from democrats. And I'm more than happy with that.

That's because you're retarded. Problem for you that you'll never acknowledge because you're just as fringe as them is that your side has gone so far overboard on their retardedness since Trump got elected, it's probably gonna be a while before it's your party's turn to run the show again.

It will be some great entertainment watching you and cwolff have meltdowns after this blue wave you're so convinced is going to happen turns out to be a nothingtofu.


The oppressed will always rise up against the oppressor and win.

You are right. This already happened. On 11/8/16. But we already know that's not what you meant and you're just being a tryhard wanting to sound all deep and insightful and prophetic when in reality you just say random shit because it sounds good and literally nothing else.

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[Methais]

Thanks for making the PC such a shithole. Please go away.

You are the shithole.

Also, your name "Back" is too close to the word "black."

Stop appropriating black people and trying to be Backlash Dolezal. Racist.

Reported.

[Parkbandit]

Defending that garbage makes you look like as big of a jackass as him. Not surprised though.

Precisely, can you quote the part where I defended anyone?

It's like you want to understand simple English.. you just don't have the capability.

Not surprised though.

[Ashlander]

I thought we couldn't call places shitholes anymore? Didn't he get all pissy when the president did it?

[Parkbandit]

I thought we couldn't call places shitholes anymore? Didn't he get all pissy when the president did it?

He gets all pissy no matter what President Trump does.

It's fun to watch.

[Wrathbringer]

He gets all pissy no matter what President Trump does.

It's fun to watch.

This is correct.

[Back]

You guys all owe me an apology. Nothing you posted is either funny or worth reading.

Its possible that Trump's authoritarian nationalism is going to bring about the next big socialist movement. And by socialist I mean responsible economics with more social programs. Sorry that freaks you out. Actually, sorry not sorry. Not sure why you guys are so skurd.

[RichardCranium]

You guys all owe me an apology. Nothing you posted is either funny or worth reading.

Its possible that Trump's authoritarian nationalism is going to bring about the next big socialist movement. And by socialist I mean responsible economics with more social programs. Sorry that freaks you out. Actually, sorry not sorry. Not sure why you guys are so skurd.

So you don't actually know what socialism is. We already knew that.

[~Rocktar~]

You guys all owe me an apology. Nothing you posted is either funny or worth reading.

Its possible that Trump's authoritarian nationalism is going to bring about the next big socialist movement. And by socialist I mean responsible economics with more social programs. Sorry that freaks you out. Actually, sorry not sorry. Not sure why you guys are so skurd.

<Barack Obama's Voice>Let me uhhhhh make this perfectly clear. I, we, uhhhhh the people of the United States of America, don't owe you anything. Nothing could be further from the truth. Please, uhhh, move along and uhhhh let the grown up's talk.</Barack Obama's Voice>

[Parkbandit]

You guys all owe me an apology. Nothing you posted is either funny or worth reading.

I would say that no one is forcing you to read them... but then again, I'm not sure by any of your posts... that you understand anything anyway...


Its possible that Trump's authoritarian nationalism is going to bring about the next big socialist movement. And by socialist I mean responsible economics with more social programs. Sorry that freaks you out. Actually, sorry not sorry. Not sure why you guys are so skurd.

It won't. Most Americans aren't as dumb as you.

Sorry. But no one is forcing you to stay in this capitalist society anyway. Maybe you should consider moving to Venezuela.. I heard that is a Socialist Utopia.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

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[Methais]

You guys all owe me an apology. Nothing you posted is either funny or worth reading.

Its possible that Trump's authoritarian nationalism is going to bring about the next big socialist movement. And by socialist I mean responsible economics with more social programs. Sorry that freaks you out. Actually, sorry not sorry. Not sure why you guys are so skurd.

You owe us an apology for always being wrong and retarded.

[Wrathbringer]

You guys all owe me an apology. Nothing you posted is either funny or worth reading.

Its possible that Trump's authoritarian nationalism is going to bring about the next big socialist movement. And by socialist I mean responsible economics with more social programs. Sorry that freaks you out. Actually, sorry not sorry. Not sure why you guys are so skurd.

lol socialist and responsible economics in the same sentence. Damn, back. You never cease to amaze.

[Gelston]

lol socialist and responsible economics in the same sentence. Damn, back. You never cease to be fucking retarded.

ftfy

[Wrathbringer]

ftfy

Thanks.

[Methais]

Thanks.

You're welcome.

[Fortybox]

You're welcome.

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[Methais]

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[Fortybox]

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[Methais]

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[Fortybox]

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[Avaia]

I see she has gotten your attention.

Good.

There will be more.

[Methais]

I see she has gotten you attention.

Good.

There will be more.

Wrong. Nobody here has gotten attention because of her.

[Gelston]

I see she has gotten you attention.

Good.

There will be more.

2 girls eating soft serve ice cream out of eachother's assholes got most of the internet's attention too. Your point?

[Parkbandit]

2 girls eating soft serve ice cream out of eachother's assholes got most of the internet's attention too. Your point?

Wait a minute.. that was ice cream?

Thank god!

[Gelston]

Wait a minute.. that was ice cream?

Thank god!

Yeah, it wasn't actual shit. They'd probably have died if they ate as much shit as that video showed them eating.

[Ashlander]

Yeah, it wasn't actual shit. They'd probably have died if they ate as much shit as that video showed them eating.

So you watched the whole video....

[Gelston]

So you watched the whole video....

Yeah, you didn't?

[Methais]

So you watched the whole video....

It’s an internet rite of passage.

[Ashlander]

Yeah, you didn't?

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[Gelston]

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[Methais]

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No one likes it. It’s juat a common misery we all share.

Except cwolff. cwolff likes it.