The Pelosi Problem

[cwolff]

In addition to being a masterful legislative tactician, the 77-year-old Pelosi is, in Politico’s words, “the most successful nonpresidential political fundraiser in U.S. history.” Yet many of her colleagues want her gone. In November 2016, almost a third of House Democrats voted to depose her as leader. Another coup attempt erupted last summer. Why so much discontent with a woman who has proved so good at her job? Maybe because many Democrats think Pelosi’s unpopularity undermines their chances of winning back the House. Why is she so unpopular? Because powerful women politicians usually are. Therein lies the tragedy. Nancy Pelosi does her job about as well as anyone could. But because she’s a woman, she may not be doing it well enough.


The Democrats who want Pelosi gone don’t deny her talent. But they say her unpopularity is too heavy a load to bear. “The Republican playbook for the past four election cycles has been very focused, very clear,” Representative Kathleen Rice, a Democrat from New York, insisted after Ossoff’s defeat. “It’s been an attack on our leader. Is it fair? No. Are the attacks accurate? No. But guess what? They work.” Nonpartisan observers agree. As David Wasserman, an editor of “The Cook Political Report,” tweeted after the Georgia loss, “It’s just extremely difficult for Ds to argue benefits of Nancy Pelosi’s fundraising skills still outweigh cost of her presence in GOP ads.”

The uphill fight for dems is that they want change. GOP can always dog whistle for the status quo and tap into humans natural fear of change. The right has a built in advantage which explains how they win elections (among other reasons like harassing voters) even when the majority of Americans favor democratic policy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-nancy-pelosi-problem/554048/

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxEXAXN_tWs

Its just that shes a woman... Its not like she makes stupid comments every other week.

[Methais]

The uphill fight for dems is that they want change. GOP can always dog whistle for the status quo and tap into humans natural fear of change. The right has a built in advantage which explains how they win elections (among other reasons like harassing voters) even when the majority of Americans favor democratic policy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-nancy-pelosi-problem/554048/

I knew you’d come back.

[Neveragain]

The uphill fight for dems is that they want change. GOP can always dog whistle for the status quo and tap into humans natural fear of change. The right has a built in advantage which explains how they win elections (among other reasons like harassing voters) even when the majority of Americans favor democratic policy.

Or it's because the Democrats spent 8 years calling everyone that voted for "Change 1.0" a racist/sexist/bigot..........

I know what my money is on.

[cwolff]

Or it's because the Democrats spent 8 years calling everyone that voted for "Change 1.0" a racist/sexist/bigot..........

I know what my money is on.

What is change 1.0?

Ahh...I get it now. Its Obama. We hurt white people feelings when we had our first black president. You all felt left out. That's why the trumpanzees are always saying stuff like, "you had 8 years, its our turn now"

[drauz]

What is change 1.0?

Ahh...I get it now. Its Obama. We hurt white people feelings when we had our first black president. You all felt left out. That's why the trumpanzees are always saying stuff like, "you had 8 years, its our turn now"

This is exactly the problem with people on the left. WE DID NOTHING WRONG ITS RACIST/SEXISM/XENOPHOBIA. It can't be that you put up your worst candidate with way to many skeletons in their closet, no that can't be it. This is exactly why putting up a woman just cause they are a woman isn't a good idea.

[cwolff]

This is exactly the problem with people on the left. WE DID NOTHING WRONG ITS RACIST/SEXISM/XENOPHOBIA. It can't be that you put up your worst candidate with way to many skeletons in their closet, no that can't be it. This is exactly why putting up a woman just cause they are a woman isn't a good idea.

What did we do wrong? What in Obamas presidency made you feel bad? What skeletons does Hillary have ( can you even answer that w/o conspiracy theory)

Hillary wasnt the candidate because she's a woman. That's wishful thinking because it fits your narrative. She was a lawyer, senator and sec. State who was also a previous candidate for potus. That's about a typical resume for people who run of any gender

[drauz]

What did we do wrong? What in Obamas presidency made you feel bad? What skeletons does Hillary have ( can you even answer that w/o conspiracy theory)

Hillary wasnt the candidate because she's a woman. That's wishful thinking because it fits your narrative. She was a lawyer, senator and sec. State who was also a previous candidate for potus. That's about a typical resume for people who run of any gender

I didn't have a problem with Obama's presidency as a whole. Not a fan of the individual mandate though.

Lets see. HRC close friends with former klu klux clan member, her husband, Clinton Foundation, and the e-mail servers. That's just off the top of my head.

[Methais]

What is change 1.0?

Ahh...I get it now. Its Obama. We hurt white people feelings when we had our first black president. You all felt left out. That's why the trumpanzees are always saying stuff like, "you had 8 years, its our turn now"

You literally just confirmed Neveragain’s point. Good job pajama boy.

Obama’s half a bite btw, we still haven’t had a real black president.

[~Rocktar~]

What is change 1.0?

Ahh...I get it now. Its Obama. We hurt white people feelings when we had our first black president.

People din't have particularly hurt feelings when Bill Clinton was elected.


What did we do wrong? What in Obamas presidency made you feel bad? What skeletons does Hillary have ( can you even answer that w/o conspiracy theory)

Seriously, this has been gone over 20+ times. The fact you don't get it, can't get it, won't get it or simply discount it completely because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't change the facts that Obama was mediocre at best and Hillary is far worse. Go re-read the forum posts to find your answer and shut the fuck up.

[cwolff]

People din't have particularly hurt feelings when Bill Clinton was elected.



Seriously, this has been gone over 20+ times. The fact you don't get it, can't get it, won't get it or simply discount it completely because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't change the facts that Obama was mediocre at best and Hillary is far worse. Go re-read the forum posts to find your answer and shut the fuck up.

Ya you cant answer the question. I respect that Drauz provided a short but thoughtful response. Its too rare on here

[Neveragain]

We hurt white people feelings when we had our first black president.

https://i.imgur.com/rPNCqww.jpg

It takes more than 13% of the population to elect the president, 69,498,516 people voted for Obama in '08. (heh, this suggests more white people voted for Obama than black people)

You need to take a break dude, you're beyond the left field wall.

[cwolff]

https://i.imgur.com/rPNCqww.jpg

It takes more than 13% of the population to elect the president, 69,498,516 people voted for Obama in '08.

You need to take a break dude, you're beyond the left field wall.

Your stats retarded. Since you dont have a real answer you attempt to pervert my words, as if I was speaking about a totality of all white skinned human beings of the U.S.A. just a trolling photo would be more honest

[Neveragain]

Your stats retarded. Since you dont have a real answer you attempt to pervert my words, as if I was speaking about a totality of all white skinned human beings of the U.S.A. just a trolling photo would be more honest

You're the one that suggested white people were butt hurt over a black president. Pretty much every white person I know voted for Obama in '08, I was excited when he won. Now suddenly their racists, stop it or you will keep losing.

[cwolff]

You're the one that suggested white people were butt hurt over a black president. Pretty much every white person I know voted for Obama in '08, I was excited when he won. Now suddenly their racists, stop it or you will keep losing.

Ya man. White people were butt hurt and I'm generalizing and that's ok. In our informal online chats one should be able to realize this. Perhaps if I were potus my words would need to be more carefully guarded and diplomatic. Then again...maybe not anymore.

Didn't you work for Obamas campaign?

[Neveragain]

Ya man. White people were butt hurt and I'm generalizing and that's ok. In our informal online chats one should be able to realize this. Perhaps if I were potus my words would need to be more carefully guarded and diplomatic. Then again...maybe not anymore.

Didn't you work for Obamas campaign?

During the caucus I did, we sent Hillary packing. It was a slaughter.

[cwolff]

During the caucus I did, we sent Hillary packing. It was a slaughter.

Yup. Those were high times.

The reason I asked is,because this can reflect on why pretty much every white person you know voted for Obama. My experience has been very different.

[RichardCranium]

I feel about Pelosi the same as I do about Trump. Just shut the fuck up and do your job.

[cwolff]

I feel about Pelosi the same as I do about Trump. Just shut the fuck up and do your job.

I think the point of the article is that she is in fact doing her job and well. As far as her talking too much, I don't know what that means. It's her job to talk, to get out front and be at the podium.

[RichardCranium]

I think the point of the article is that she is in fact doing her job and well. As far as her talking too much, I don't know what that means. It's her job to talk, to get out front and be at the podium.

She's only doing one part of her job well, fundraising. She says and does dumb shit constantly however.

[Neveragain]

Yup. Those were high times.

The reason I asked is,because this can reflect on why pretty much every white person you know voted for Obama. My experience has been very different.

You keep missing the point here. Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan (come on man, Democrats don't lose Michigan unless they have been complete retards) and Pennsylvania all went for Obama in '08. Wisconsin and Iowa are like pasty ass white, what could have possibly happened in those 4 states? According to you and your ilk they all joined the Klan.

Do the Democrats even have a message anymore? They sure the fuck don't have a candidate in mind and the 2020 game is going to be going in full swing, like, right after the mid-terms.

[drauz]

Just look at her poll numbers among Democrats. To be fair Paul Ryan doesn't have much better though.

[cwolff]

You keep missing the point here. Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan (come on man, Democrats don't lose Michigan unless they have been complete retards) and Pennsylvania all went for Obama in '08. Wisconsin and Iowa are like pasty ass white, what could have possibly happened in those 4 states? According to you and your ilk they all joined the Klan.

Do the Democrats even have a message anymore? They sure the fuck don't have a candidate in mind and the 2020 game is going to be going in full swing, like, right after the mid-terms.

This helps explain it.
9/ Despite this, Trump lost with voters. He ended up in the White House by 40,000 votes—40,000 voters micro-targeted by Cambridge Analytica *and* Russian propagandists in a way that makes one wonder how the Russians seemed to have the same data as Trump's Cambridge Analytica did.

The dems suck at messaging. If they (we now since I registered Dem in January) could message like republicans they'd never lose. The differences between left and right mean though, that they can't message the same way. Fear based meme generation won't drive dems back into the arms of the patriarchy or status quo. We do need a real candidate who can light a fire. Personally I think they should go full bore for things like Single Payer. Quit pussy footing around and finally go for it.

[Wrathbringer]

This helps explain it.
9/ Despite this, Trump lost with voters. He ended up in the White House by 40,000 votes—40,000 voters micro-targeted by Cambridge Analytica *and* Russian propagandists in a way that makes one wonder how the Russians seemed to have the same data as Trump's Cambridge Analytica did.

The dems suck at messaging. If they (we now since I registered Dem in January) could message like republicans they'd never lose. The differences between left and right mean though, that they can't message the same way. Fear based meme generation won't drive dems back into the arms of the patriarchy or status quo. We do need a real candidate who can light a fire. Personally I think they should go full bore for things like Single Payer. Quit pussy footing around and finally go for it.

https://i.imgur.com/EUnFNgQ.gif

[cwolff]

Just look at her poll numbers among Democrats. To be fair Paul Ryan doesn't have much better though.

The thing is: I hate her too. Always have and I'm trying to figure out why because I don't objectively see any reason for it but I understand those low numbers. I don't think she deserves it though.

[Neveragain]

The thing is: I hate her too. Always have and I'm trying to figure out why because I don't objectively see any reason for it but I understand those low numbers. I don't think she deserves it though.

I would start with "super-predators and how they must be made to heel" and the explosion in black incarceration rates that followed.

So you're going to help turn Colorado red, I see. It will happen, where Democrats go the plague soon follows.

[drauz]

I would start with "super-predators and how they must be made to heel" and the explosion in black incarceration rates that followed.

So you're going to help turn Colorado red, I see. It will happen, where Democrats go the plague soon follows.

Colorado isn't turning red with Sessions threatening to crack down on marijuana.

[Methais]

Colorado isn't turning red with Sessions threatening to crack down on marijuana.

MARIJUANA IS SUPER DANGEROUS JUST ASK LATRIN HE READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT HE’S AN EXPERT!!!

[cwolff]

I would start with "super-predators and how they must be made to heel" and the explosion in black incarceration rates that followed.

So you're going to help turn Colorado red, I see. It will happen, where Democrats go the plague soon follows.

If anything Colorado turned me blue. I moved here in 1998 a Clinton hating conservative.

Drauz is right. Don't fuck with our weed.

[~Rocktar~]

Colorado is a dumpster fire on slow burn. Commiefornians moved in to Vale in the 80s and the plague has spread since. South of Colorado Springs it North Mexico. North of Denver is all the yuppie shitbags moving there since it was named a great place to live. Wyoming used to call you all greenies because your tags were green and when I was there, we hoped you would just pass through, get gas, maybe a burger, come spend money at Frontier Days (please pull your fucking pants up) and go the fuck home. Not much worse at a festival than white 20-30's hipsters wearing Eddie Bauer and Birkenstocks with white socks and their pants hanging off their ass drinking Bud and trying to be cool. At least Wyoming has them contained to Jackson Hole area and at the college during the school year.

Now Colorado should be known for the haze of smoke from the dope addled morons like you hanging around trying to argue that socialism works and the state is fine because of the lottery and the pot tax.

Also, they can't manage to finish a damn road project in Denver EVER.

[cwolff]

Man you don't ever get sick of being wrong do you? T rex highway expansion finished early and under budget. That was a massive undertaking.

Check this out: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

Colorado kicks ass in most every way. Even with our astronomical growth. I think maybe youre just an angry old man who says anything at all when hes on a rant

[~Rocktar~]

I think . . .

You lie.

[drauz]

Man you don't ever get sick of being wrong do you? T rex highway expansion finished early and under budget. That was a massive undertaking.

Check this out: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

Colorado kicks ass in most every way. Even with our astronomical growth. I think maybe youre just an angry old man who says anything at all when hes on a rant

Probably gets his news about Colorado from South Park.

[Taernath]

Colorado is nice. I lived there a few years (pre-weed legalization, unfortunately). The only thing that sucks is that it's a huge tourist destination and there are all kinds of soccer moms spun out on I-70/I-25 during ski season.

[~Rocktar~]

Probably gets his news about Colorado from South Park.

Lived in Cheyenne, Wyoming for 10 years. Try again.

[Taernath]

Lived in Cheyenne, Wyoming for 10 years. Try again.

Whoosh.


The thing is: I hate her too. Always have and I'm trying to figure out why because I don't objectively see any reason for it but I understand those low numbers. I don't think she deserves it though.

I think part of of it is her district is basically guaranteed blue and she hasn't had any serious challenges to it for 30+ years so she doesn't really need to fight for anything. She's kind of Democratic royalty. I'd like to see some new, younger blood replace her.

[drauz]

Lived in Cheyenne, Wyoming for 10 years. Try again.

https://media.giphy.com/media/u52gRNybAmAy4/giphy.gif

[Neveragain]

If anything Colorado turned me blue. I moved here in 1998 a Clinton hating conservative.

Drauz is right. Don't fuck with our weed.

Colorado weed is overpriced. It's kind of hard to fuck up a state like Colorado but the Democrats are starting to do it, the people fleeing California are dragging their bullshit with them. Yet to have been to Alaska or Hawaii, Idaho and Montana are superior to Colorado. Montana is an amazing stretch of land, Colorado is a tourist knockoff of the great western experience.

[cwolff]

Colorado weed is overpriced. It's kind of hard to fuck up a state like Colorado but the Democrats are starting to do it, the people fleeing California are dragging their bullshit with them. Yet to have been to Alaska or Hawaii, Idaho and Montana are superior to Colorado. Montana is an amazing stretch of land, Colorado is a tourist knockoff of the great western experience.

You and Rocktar talking about Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Alaska as the place to go. What they have in common is low ass population. You can't just keep fleeing to places with less people. Eventually you'll run out of somewhere to go.

As for one being superior to another then I guess it depends on how you judge it. Most guys I worked with from Idaho and Montana had to go out of state to get a good job. Then they quit and stay at home, but eventually come back because they need the higher income. That's not so hot.

[Methais]

You and Rocktar talking about Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Alaska as the place to go. What they have in common is low ass population. You can't just keep fleeing to places with less people. Eventually you'll run out of somewhere to go.

As for one being superior to another then I guess it depends on how you judge it. Most guys I worked with from Idaho and Montana had to go out of state to get a good job. Then they quit and stay at home, but eventually come back because they need the higher income. That's not so hot.

There's still a very large amount of empty land in the country. Humanity will wipe itself out before we get so overpopulated that we run out of places to live.

[Wrathbringer]

You and Rocktar talking about Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Alaska as the place to go. What they have in common is low ass population. You can't just keep fleeing to places with less people. Eventually you'll run out of somewhere to go.

As for one being superior to another then I guess it depends on how you judge it. Most guys I worked with from Idaho and Montana had to go out of state to get a good job. Then they quit and stay at home, but eventually come back because they need the higher income. That's not so hot.

You're retarded. Just fyi.

[Neveragain]

You and Rocktar talking about Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Alaska as the place to go. What they have in common is low ass population. You can't just keep fleeing to places with less people. Eventually you'll run out of somewhere to go.

As for one being superior to another then I guess it depends on how you judge it. Most guys I worked with from Idaho and Montana had to go out of state to get a good job. Then they quit and stay at home, but eventually come back because they need the higher income. That's not so hot.

There would be many more jobs in these places if one didn't have to sacrifice their first born to get mining and logging clearances.

[Parkbandit]

There's still a very large amount of empty land in the country. Humanity will wipe itself out before we get so overpopulated that we run out of places to live.

https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_auto:best,f_auto,fl_lossy/fc/3016331-inline-manila.jpg

[Methais]

https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_auto:best,f_auto,fl_lossy/fc/3016331-inline-manila.jpg

We’re running out of room on the planet reminds me of Hank Johnson thinking Guam will capsize.

[cwolff]

There would be many more jobs in these places if one didn't have to sacrifice their first born to get mining and logging clearances.

If it was worth it to employ people to do that in the scale you suggest then it'd be done. Mom and Pop might have a hard time breaking into the business but the players aren't going to skip a payday for getting a permit.

[Neveragain]

If it was worth it to employ people to do that in the scale you suggest then it'd be done. Mom and Pop might have a hard time breaking into the business but the players aren't going to skip a payday for getting a permit.

Bullshit. Companies sit in queue for years to jump over the legal hurdles required for these industries. Often times when all the required paper chasing is completed the government turns around and uses the courts to slow the process even further.

Oddly enough the decades of over regulation is a major contributor to the passing of these tariffs. It also gives an in depth look at how the statist mind works, it truly is a mental disorder.