So Much for Global Warming

[ClydeR]

Aren't you glad now that we pulled out of the Paris Agreement?




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLCgN3UIAEEvlz.jpg

[Tgo01]

I ain't tired of winning yet!

[beldar17]

that mean dow is going to 28k 2018? please say it is so, i might buy a red hat too

[Methais]

Smile So Much for Global Warming

That's because Global Warming hasn't been a thing since they realized it wasn't what they sold it to us as where we should have all been underwater since the 90s, so they changed it to Global Cooling. Then when that didn't pan out they just went with all encompassing Climate Change to make it easier to blame everything that happens on republicans.

Soon it will be changed to "weather events" and then everything will be Trump's fault even more!

[Gelston]

I warming my house with my heater, globally.

[Methais]

I warming my house with my heater, globally.

I wonder if flat earthers believe in global warming.

[Gelston]

I wonder if flat earthers believe in global warming.

They don't believe the Earth is globular.

[Methais]

They don't believe the Earth is globular.

That's why I bet they still believe in global warming.

[nocturnix]

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/cold-snow-climate-change.html#.WkbjnN-nEuU
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://climatekids.nasa.gov/harsh-winter/

But let me guess, because it doesnt fit your narrow view of the world. It's fake news, right? Maybe it's part of that big Nasa conspiracy to trick everyone into thinking the world is round.

The way weather works is not a simple all or nothing game. It's very complex, even scientists now are looking into how alot of the effects global warming has on the weather. Just because you dont want something to be real, doesn't mean it isn't. Global warming is very real. Literally thousands of people who have far more expertise on these topics than all of us have said it, confirmed it, tested it, retested it, and reconfirmed it. That's how science works. Not sticking your finger in the air, saying hey: it's cold today - Global Warming must be a hoax by the damn liberals. Get over your hatred for liberals and face the facts ;-)

But anyways it was obvious you were just trolling for a fight, and I took the bait. So feel free to go on and explain how I'm a dirty liberal and so are all the scientists and anyone who disagrees with you is a commy.

[Shaps]

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/cold-snow-climate-change.html#.WkbjnN-nEuU
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://climatekids.nasa.gov/harsh-winter/

But let me guess, because it doesnt fit your narrow view of the world. It's fake news, right? Maybe it's part of that big Nasa conspiracy to trick everyone into thinking the world is round.

The way weather works is not a simple all or nothing game. It's very complex, even scientists now are looking into how alot of the effects global warming has on the weather. Just because you dont want something to be real, doesn't mean it isn't. Global warming is very real. Literally thousands of people who have far more expertise on these topics than all of us have said it, confirmed it, tested it, retested it, and reconfirmed it. That's how science works. Not sticking your finger in the air, saying hey: it's cold today - Global Warming must be a hoax by the damn liberals. Get over your hatred for liberals and face the facts ;-)

But anyways it was obvious you were just trolling for a fight, and I took the bait. So feel free to go on and explain how I'm a dirty liberal and so are all the scientists and anyone who disagrees with you is a commy.

I dislike that scientists spend millions of dollars and time to state the obvious. The "climate changes". Really? I didn't know that. There is "global warming". No shit. There is also "global cooling". Duh. The warming and cooling of the planet is always happening over millennia - hence the... DRUM ROLLLLLL... "climate change"!

Now if the supporters of "man-made global warming" would just shut the hell up (because last I looked they all drive cars, they all shop at grocery stores, they all type their crazy shit on the internet, etc. etc. etc.) and shift their talking points to simple, effective ways to minimize pollution of current industries and developing technology (solar/wind/etc.) to assist in the reduction of pollution that can harm our ecosystem in the future... instead of demonizing everyone with the mantra of "global warming/climate change" over and over and over... I think there could be real progress.

It's the continued way the information is presented and vitriolic language used to attack anyone that may have a differing viewpoint is tiring. Just a thought.

[Seizer]

But let me guess, because it doesnt fit your narrow view of the world. It's fake news, right?

I just have one question. If people were not industrialized during the Middle Ages why did the little ice age stop?
https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/

The earth's climate does change, I agree. I however do not agree with the approach many take at trying to convince others of why we are horrid people for driving around big trucks etc. If people truly think that if we all drove Toyota Prius' or other non petrol vehicles that it's going to stop climate change they are delusional. If we all did drive these around next thing you know the planet would adjust to less emissions and hypothetically correct for this by getting hotter/cooler/(insert whatever theory here). Then the sky will be falling once again in knee jerk reaction land.

[Neveragain]

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/cold-snow-climate-change.html#.WkbjnN-nEuU
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://climatekids.nasa.gov/harsh-winter/

But let me guess, because it doesnt fit your narrow view of the world. It's fake news, right? Maybe it's part of that big Nasa conspiracy to trick everyone into thinking the world is round.

The way weather works is not a simple all or nothing game. It's very complex, even scientists now are looking into how alot of the effects global warming has on the weather. Just because you dont want something to be real, doesn't mean it isn't. Global warming is very real. Literally thousands of people who have far more expertise on these topics than all of us have said it, confirmed it, tested it, retested it, and reconfirmed it. That's how science works. Not sticking your finger in the air, saying hey: it's cold today - Global Warming must be a hoax by the damn liberals. Get over your hatred for liberals and face the facts ;-)

But anyways it was obvious you were just trolling for a fight, and I took the bait. So feel free to go on and explain how I'm a dirty liberal and so are all the scientists and anyone who disagrees with you is a commy.

What's the correct temperature of the planet?

[nocturnix]

Yes the climate changes naturally. But the fact that thousands of scientists have confirmed is that the current changes are rapid, and due to human causes. That is also the fact that many ordinary people with 0 expertise on the matter claim is NOT true. Such as you both.

So you both are claiming the climate changing is natural. Based on what evidence? What Trump said? What some "expert" stooge on Fox News said?

I choose to go with 97% of the entire scientific community on this one. But hey, you can always hope those 3% are right and hold your breath. Facing overwhelming evidence, let's just keep on burning fossil fuels, blasting carbon and methane into the atmosphere and hope the warming is all natural or that it will just "get cold one day" and everything will be fine. I however, and every other country in the world except the US, think we should face the problem and fucking fix it.

[nocturnix]

Better yet here is an analogy: Paul Revere (except, thousands of paul reveres in this case) went from town to town telling the people the British are coming. They grabbed their arms, they got ready, they were not caught by surprise. Except there were a few idiots and drunkards in the town who sat there and said: No they are not. People come and people go, maybe they are just coming to have some tea and say hi and will leave shortly thereafter and crossed their arms and waited. Even after the british started sacking towns and word broke they had arrived, those few people still held their ground. Mainly because they didn't want to be wrong and look like idiots.

People like ClydeR, Trump, and a few industry stooges and those industries negatively impacted by climate change regulations are those idiots. So keep on pretending reality is not real and whatever news you find on your republican propoganda websites are real. The rest of us will try to save your asses.

[Methais]

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/cold-snow-climate-change.html#.WkbjnN-nEuU
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://climatekids.nasa.gov/harsh-winter/

But let me guess, because it doesnt fit your narrow view of the world. It's fake news, right? Maybe it's part of that big Nasa conspiracy to trick everyone into thinking the world is round.

The way weather works is not a simple all or nothing game. It's very complex, even scientists now are looking into how alot of the effects global warming has on the weather. Just because you dont want something to be real, doesn't mean it isn't. Global warming is very real. Literally thousands of people who have far more expertise on these topics than all of us have said it, confirmed it, tested it, retested it, and reconfirmed it. That's how science works. Not sticking your finger in the air, saying hey: it's cold today - Global Warming must be a hoax by the damn liberals. Get over your hatred for liberals and face the facts ;-)

But anyways it was obvious you were just trolling for a fight, and I took the bait. So feel free to go on and explain how I'm a dirty liberal and so are all the scientists and anyone who disagrees with you is a commy.

Why would flat Earthers believe in global warming?

[Parkbandit]

Soon it will be changed to "weather events" and then everything will be Trump's fault even more!

Already happening...

[Neveragain]

So you both are claiming the climate changing is natural. Based on what evidence? What Trump said? What some "expert" stooge on Fox News said?

Evidence like this that I can physically go outside and see for myself.

http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc_layer.gif

Knowing I can dig down and discover that the midwestern united states used to be a desert until the ice age and then dig even further and find that it must have been covered in water as well.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/cold-snow-climate-change.html#.WkbjnN-nEuU
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
https://climatekids.nasa.gov/harsh-winter/

But let me guess, because it doesnt fit your narrow view of the world. It's fake news, right? Maybe it's part of that big Nasa conspiracy to trick everyone into thinking the world is round.

The way weather works is not a simple all or nothing game. It's very complex, even scientists now are looking into how alot of the effects global warming has on the weather. Just because you dont want something to be real, doesn't mean it isn't. Global warming is very real. Literally thousands of people who have far more expertise on these topics than all of us have said it, confirmed it, tested it, retested it, and reconfirmed it. That's how science works. Not sticking your finger in the air, saying hey: it's cold today - Global Warming must be a hoax by the damn liberals. Get over your hatred for liberals and face the facts ;-)

But anyways it was obvious you were just trolling for a fight, and I took the bait. So feel free to go on and explain how I'm a dirty liberal and so are all the scientists and anyone who disagrees with you is a commy.

If a graph "proving" that global warming is real starts at 1850.. you're taking the bait.

Sucker.

[Neveragain]

I also have to question your thought that recent temps can't be used to argue against global warming but a sample size of a century over the course of 4.5 billion years is a solid argument.

The people you are calling science deniers are actually using a much much larger sample size. 1/73,000 (no man made global warming sample size) , 73,000/(4,500,000,000 * 365) (pro global warming sample size).

P.S. Just to give you the benefit of the doubt I gave you 73,000 days (200 years)

[Candor]

I could use 40 degrees of global warming right about now...

[nocturnix]

Well, seems like you guys got it all figured out. Based on your couch-science you have clearly proved 97% of the scientific community wrong on the matter of man-made climate change. Well done! I mean its clear you are VERY smart, with your napkin maths, but wow, smarter than experts who spent their lives studying this stuff. How did you do it? Your Google sciencing skills are off the charts!

I guess we can all rest easy now that Parkbandit and neveragain have proved the current climate change we are seeing is 100% of natural causes!

[Neveragain]

Well, seems like you guys got it all figured out. Based on your couch-science you have clearly proved 97% of the scientific community wrong on the matter of man-made climate change. Well done! I mean its clear you are VERY smart, with your napkin maths, but wow, smarter than experts who spent their lives studying this stuff. How did you do it? Your Google sciencing skills are off the charts!

I guess we can all rest easy now that Parkbandit and neveragain have proved the current climate change we are seeing is 100% of natural causes!

Are humans not a part of nature?

[rolfard]

Lucky for us, we've avoided a near ice age!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/14/world/ice-age-postponed/index.html

[AnOrdim]

https://i.imgflip.com/21vsic.jpg

[Candor]

Well, seems like you guys got it all figured out. Based on your couch-science you have clearly proved 97% of the scientific community wrong on the matter of man-made climate change. Well done! I mean its clear you are VERY smart, with your napkin maths, but wow, smarter than experts who spent their lives studying this stuff. How did you do it? Your Google sciencing skills are off the charts!

I guess we can all rest easy now that Parkbandit and neveragain have proved the current climate change we are seeing is 100% of natural causes!

I believe 97% of the posters in this topic think you're an idiot.

[Parkbandit]

Well, seems like you guys got it all figured out. Based on your couch-science you have clearly proved 97% of the scientific community wrong on the matter of man-made climate change. Well done! I mean its clear you are VERY smart, with your napkin maths, but wow, smarter than experts who spent their lives studying this stuff. How did you do it? Your Google sciencing skills are off the charts!

I guess we can all rest easy now that Parkbandit and neveragain have proved the current climate change we are seeing is 100% of natural causes!

Strawman much?

No one has made any of the arguments you are claiming.

I'm just not ready to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to some NWO Climate Police Force that will "fix" everything magically with the power of the US dollar while other countries do a wait and see game.

[~Rocktar~]

Strawman much?

No one has made any of the arguments you are claiming.

I'm just not ready to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to some NWO Climate Police Force that will "fix" everything magically with the power of the US dollar while other countries do a wait and see game.

They won't pull a wait and see, they will pull a cash in and develop how ever the hell they want by spending our money. That was the essence of the Paris rape agreement and that is what the Leftist idiots didn't want us to point out.

[Neveragain]

Strawman much?

No one has made any of the arguments you are claiming.

I'm just not ready to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to some NWO Climate Police Force that will "fix" everything magically with the power of the US dollar while other countries do a wait and see game.

That's not even my main concern, I worry more that we will do something really stupid thinking we are "fixing" something.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVEHSXL9UPM

[Latrinsorm]

I dislike that scientists spend millions of dollars and time to state the obvious. The "climate changes". Really? I didn't know that. There is "global warming". No shit. There is also "global cooling". Duh. The warming and cooling of the planet is always happening over millennia - hence the... DRUM ROLLLLLL... "climate change"!

Now if the supporters of "man-made global warming" would just shut the hell up (because last I looked they all drive cars, they all shop at grocery stores, they all type their crazy shit on the internet, etc. etc. etc.) and shift their talking points to simple, effective ways to minimize pollution of current industries and developing technology (solar/wind/etc.) to assist in the reduction of pollution that can harm our ecosystem in the future... instead of demonizing everyone with the mantra of "global warming/climate change" over and over and over... I think there could be real progress.

It's the continued way the information is presented and vitriolic language used to attack anyone that may have a differing viewpoint is tiring. Just a thought.The millions of dollars went to determining how climate changes, not that it does. For example, we can now model the effects of solar cycles, volcanic activity, and all other inhuman phenomena. This model correctly predicts temperatures into prehistory except for the period of human industrialization, at which point the model has to include that as well.

Consider a car rolling downhill. It is subject to the earth's gravity, friction on the wheels, friction from the air, and many other forces - the increase and decrease in its velocity is always happening. You apply the brakes, and the car stops. There have been many other times where the car was stopped, yet if I were to say that this particular time it was your application of the brakes that caused the car to break with models that do not include the effect of the brakes, you would (presumably) not take that as my demonizing you and demand I shut the hell up.

The only difference between the two scenarios is that you personally have applied the brakes in a car many times, and you personally have not done the research on climate change even once. It is not a question of logic, reasoning, or intelligence. You haven't done the research, it gets under your skin when elitists tell you you're wrong, and scientists are our elite in knowing what's correct.

[AnOrdim]

If we weren't supposed to burn all that converted carbon dioxide that was trapped in the earth and not the air for millions upon millions of years, why did God put it there? CHECKMATE IDIOTS.

[Methais]

If we weren't supposed to burn all that converted carbon dioxide that was trapped in the earth and not the air for millions upon millions of years, why did God put it there? CHECKMATE IDIOTS.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/opXv51.gif

[Seizer]

So you both are claiming the climate changing is natural. Based on what evidence? What Trump said? What some "expert" stooge on Fox News said?
I don't watch Fixed news or care what Trump usually has to say. Yes I do believe climate change is a natural process. I also do believe we have an impact on our environment, just not to the degree that maybe you do. I mean weren't they scared in the 70s that we were going through another cooling period? This was only 40 years ago and the sky was falling.


I however, and every other country in the world except the US, think we should face the problem and fucking fix it.
I don't know why you seem so angry. Just trying to understand why not look at the 97% with some skepticism. Remember when scientists made a flu vaccine and it gave people Guillain-Barre Syndrome? We are human we make mistakes.

This is a sincerely honest questions for you. How do you fix it? If we all drive electric cars they still need to be powered by energy. Coal fired? Nuclear? Natural Gas? Hydro? Solar? Wind? Which source would be best that will not have any negative impact on the environment?

[Gelston]

This thread is gay.

[Neveragain]

This thread is gay.

I think we have proven that Trump will cause an era of great uncomformity if he is not impeached.

[Candor]

I think we have proven that Trump will cause an era of great uncomformity if he is not impeached.

Trump isn't going to be impeached unless something surprising results from the FBI investigation.

But what is really going to astonish liberals is Trump's victory in the 2020 election. And when that happens look out, because some liberals are going to completely lose it. The reactions from the 2016 election will look like nothing in comparison.

[kutter]

Well, seems like you guys got it all figured out. Based on your couch-science you have clearly proved 97% of the scientific community wrong on the matter of man-made climate change. Well done! I mean its clear you are VERY smart, with your napkin maths, but wow, smarter than experts who spent their lives studying this stuff. How did you do it? Your Google sciencing skills are off the charts!

I guess we can all rest easy now that Parkbandit and neveragain have proved the current climate change we are seeing is 100% of natural causes!

You use that 97% number like it is some sort of gospel, when it is in fact hogwash, the two 'studies' by Oreskes and Cook that supposedly came to the conclusion were both heavily flawed in their methodology, so you should really stop slinging it about like it is handed down from on high. Just because Obama said it was so, does not make it so, ask all the people that lost their doctors and insurance.

So this is the question that I ask all my liberal compatriots that drone on about how man is killing the planet. How much? How much impact is man having? I mean if I throw a pebble into the ocean in Miami, the water raises in Gibraltar, we cannot measure it but it does. So how much impact are we having, and to a person they stare at me slack jawed and after a moment scream something like, 'It does not matter, we have to do something about it!'

Ok, so just to clarify, you want to jeopardize multiple trillion dollar economies and you cannot even tell me how much impact we are having, with even a little certainty, what the effect will be, if any? Lets say for the sake of your argument, we do something, and something good comes from it, what about the unforeseen things that inevitably happen as well? What if one of them is worse than what we have now? It is not a question of if man is having an impact, of course he is, but how much. I have even seen studies that show more farmable land has been converted as a result of the earth warming, so wouldn't that be a good thing, and you want to stop more crop production?

Man is not killing the planet, we might be killing ourselves, but not the planet, she will shrug off anything we do, and move forward with something else to evolve, maybe an insect this time since reptiles and mammals did not work out.

[Ashlander]

Carlin said it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4

[Neveragain]

Trump isn't going to be impeached unless something surprising results from the FBI investigation.

But what is really going to astonish liberals is Trump's victory in the 2020 election. And when that happens look out, because some liberals are going to completely lose it. The reactions from the 2016 election will look like nothing in comparison.

I just wanted to use the term "era of great uncomformity" in a sentence, it sounds so sinister.

[Methais]

I just wanted to use the term "era of great uncomformity" in a sentence, it sounds so sinister.

Sounds pretty hipster actually.

[Latrinsorm]

So this is the question that I ask all my liberal compatriots that drone on about how man is killing the planet. How much? How much impact is man having? I mean if I throw a pebble into the ocean in Miami, the water raises in Gibraltar, we cannot measure it but it does. So how much impact are we having, and to a person they stare at me slack jawed and after a moment scream something like, 'It does not matter, we have to do something about it!' I can't speak for your compatriots, but both the rise of the level of the water in Gibraltar and humanity's impact on climate change are extremely quantifiable. You would do well to ask the authorities on either subject how specifically the calculations work, although obviously the latter is a bit more pressing than the former.

[Latrinsorm]

Trump isn't going to be impeached unless something surprising results from the FBI investigation.

But what is really going to astonish liberals is Trump's victory in the 2020 election. And when that happens look out, because some liberals are going to completely lose it. The reactions from the 2016 election will look like nothing in comparison.On the other hand, Republicans have every reason to believe they will lose control of the House of Representatives in the 2018 elections.

For those who aren't familiar, the line of succession for the President goes
1. Vice President
2. Speaker of the House

Vice President Pence has gone well out of his way to indicate that he had nothing to do with the current President's campaign, including but not limited to collusion with Russians and/or obstruction of justice.

If he in fact hasn't, he remains a much, much, much more desirable figure in the big chair for Republicans than the current President - no more tweets about Russia, no more tweets about the NFL, no more tweets or distractions at all really... and the same judges and general coherence to the party line.

If he in fact has, Congressional Republicans should seek impeachment at their earliest convenience so that they don't lose the big chair to the presumptive Democrat Speaker of the House established in Nov 2018.

.

Impeaching the current President is thus a win-win for Republicans.

[Neveragain]

On the other hand, Republicans have every reason to believe they will lose control of the House of Representatives in the 2018 elections.

For those who aren't familiar, the line of succession for the President goes
1. Vice President
2. Speaker of the House

Vice President Pence has gone well out of his way to indicate that he had nothing to do with the current President's campaign, including but not limited to collusion with Russians and/or obstruction of justice.

If he in fact hasn't, he remains a much, much, much more desirable figure in the big chair for Republicans than the current President - no more tweets about Russia, no more tweets about the NFL, no more tweets or distractions at all really... and the same judges and general coherence to the party line.

If he in fact has, Congressional Republicans should seek impeachment at their earliest convenience so that they don't lose the big chair to the presumptive Democrat Speaker of the House established in Nov 2018.

.

Impeaching the current President is thus a win-win for Republicans.

I raise you a triple blackface!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn07GeZ7Psk

[Parkbandit]

I'm not even close to being tired of winning yet.

2018 is going to be an awesome year.

[Neveragain]

I'm not even close to being tired of winning yet.

2018 is going to be an awesome year.

D candidate: "You supported Trump. What has Trump done................?"

R candidate: "Stopped the mandate."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARM9cRoF1NY

[Wrathbringer]

On the other hand, Republicans have every reason to believe they will lose control of the House of Representatives in the 2018 elections.

For those who aren't familiar, the line of succession for the President goes
1. Vice President
2. Speaker of the House

Vice President Pence has gone well out of his way to indicate that he had nothing to do with the current President's campaign, including but not limited to collusion with Russians and/or obstruction of justice.

If he in fact hasn't, he remains a much, much, much more desirable figure in the big chair for Republicans than the current President - no more tweets about Russia, no more tweets about the NFL, no more tweets or distractions at all really... and the same judges and general coherence to the party line.

If he in fact has, Congressional Republicans should seek impeachment at their earliest convenience so that they don't lose the big chair to the presumptive Democrat Speaker of the House established in Nov 2018.

.

Impeaching the current President is thus a win-win for Republicans.

You lost. You really need to get over it. Your continued stream of tears is appreciated, but you've got to be running dry with the amount of whining you've done since Trump took office.