Things that made you frown today (Political Version)

[Parkbandit]

Which is why I never agree to any kind of limitation as lawful because it is a slippery slope and the Left is pushing us down it all the time. Giving an inch so to speak is still an inch further down the slope.

But you took the retarded stance of saying anyone should be able to buy a nuclear weapon if they can afford it.

That's not a slippery slope.. that's just stupidity.

[Parkbandit]

Ever the Patriot! Thanks again for answering the call to serve your coun... Oh wait, forgot you are a couch-Patriot.

I'm sure you were standing at attention in front of your TV screen this afternoon though, right?? Right???

Who are you referring to?

You DO realize that there is no tradition to stand at attention in front of your TV screen.... right?

[Gompers]

Who are you referring to?

You DO realize that there is no tradition to stand at attention in front of your TV screen.... right?

Seeing as how you repped me, I think you know damn well who I was referring to. YOUR POOR WIDDLE BONE SPURS!

[Latrinsorm]

Like what?As the President of the United States he is cloaked in immense power, and as we know from the docudramadey The USSR Strikes Back no other vessel that small has a cloaking device.

Just imagine.

Imagine.

[Gelston]

As the President of the United States he is cloaked in immense power, and as we know from the docudramadey The USSR Strikes Back no other vessel that small has a cloaking device.

Just imagine.

Imagine.

I've read them fully. Nothing to do with this case. Provide more, you said we have decades of them, should be easy to provide more examples.

And I'm not very imaginative, tell me what he could do.

[Methais]

As the President of the United States he is cloaked in immense power, and as we know from the docudramadey The USSR Strikes Back no other vessel that small has a cloaking device.

Just imagine.

Imagine.

Imagine there's no Latrin
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

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[Parkbandit]

Seeing as how you repped me, I think you know damn well who I was referring to. YOUR POOR WIDDLE BONE SPURS!

So, you ARE of the retarded opinion that:

If you don't join the military, you can't have an opinion about anything regarding patriotism, the flag or the National Anthem.

You have to stand for the National Anthem while at home watching it on TV.

When they say "the best and brightest", they didn't mean you.

Thank you for your service.. sorry you are a fucking retard though.

[Latrinsorm]

I've read them fully. Nothing to do with this case. Provide more, you said we have decades of them, should be easy to provide more examples. And I'm not very imaginative, tell me what he could do.I quoted you word for word where the Justices talk about the chilling effect. You insist they don't. I can live with that.

[Gelston]

I quoted you word for word where the Justices talk about the chilling effect. You insist they don't. I can live with that.

So, there aren't decades of case law then?

[Latrinsorm]

So, there aren't decades of case law then?It's like they always say: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it read a concurring opinion.

[Gelston]

It's like they always say: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it read a concurring opinion.

So, no. You can't find the decades of case law.

[Methais]

So, no. You can't find the decades of case law.

Correct.

[Taernath]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/john-kelly-a-lack-of-ability-to-compromise-led-to-the-civil-war.html


White House Chief of Staff John Kelly on Monday said, "the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War."

...

"There are certain things in history that were not so good, and other things that were very, very good," Kelly said. "I think we make a mistake as a society, and certainly as individuals, when we take what is accepted as right and wrong, and go back 100, 200, 300 years or more and say, 'What Christopher Columbus did was wrong.'"

Damn it Kelly I wanted to like you.

[Gelston]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/john-kelly-a-lack-of-ability-to-compromise-led-to-the-civil-war.html



Damn it Kelly I wanted to like you.

Was he wrong?

[Androidpk]

Was he wrong?

How do you compromise slavery?

[Gelston]

How do you compromise slavery?

The Government did it several times before, ask them. He didn't say anything was right or wrong, just that it could have been avoided with compromise. It could have.

[Androidpk]

The Government did it several times before, ask them. He didn't say anything was right or wrong, just that it could have been avoided with compromise. It could have.

Weak. The correct answer is there is no compromise to slavery.

[Taernath]

Was he wrong?

You're assuming my problem with his statement is the veracity of it rather than the sentiments he was expressing in the context of his interview.

[Gelston]

Weak. The correct answer is there is no compromise to slavery.

Except there was. Many times. If you had been born and lived in the early to mid 1800s, you'd probably have a slightly different mindset too.

Lincoln was even willing to compromise. The South wasn't having any of it though.

[Androidpk]

If you had been born and lived in the early to mid 1800s, you'd probably have a slightly different mindset too.

If you were born black you'd probably have a slightly different mindset too.

[Androidpk]

You don't think the government had many compromises over slavery? You for real?

Are you?

[Gelston]

If you were born black you'd probably have a slightly different mindset too.

I'd still recognize that the history of slavery involved a lot of compromises that the US Government made. You can say "No compromises!!!!" all you want, but it is a fact.

[Tgo01]

Are you?

Yes, the government had many compromises over slavery. Even the 3/5ths compromise has the word "compromise" right in it.

But I deleted my post because I figured you were just gonna herp derp in your reply.

[Androidpk]

Sure you did. Can you name 5 of these "many compromises"?

[Gelston]

You're a quarter black gelston on your mother's side.

No, I'm .01% Western Saharan on my father's side.

[Gelston]

Sure you did. Can you name 5 of these "many compromises"?

Oh, the 3/5ths Compromise isn't enough?

[Gelston]

Here are several.

https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1286

[Androidpk]

Oh, the 3/5ths Compromise isn't enough?

I don't consider it a good compromise.

[Gelston]

I don't consider it a good compromise.

....Okay, but it was one of multiple.

[Androidpk]

Were there any financial incentives? That seems like it should have been the way to go.

[Gelston]

Were there any financial incentives? That seems like it should have been the way to go.

Financial incentives for what? Not having slaves?

[Tgo01]

I don't consider it a good compromise.

What would have been your preference? Slave states demanded slaves be counted as a whole person for representation, even though slaves couldn't vote for pro-abolitionist candidates, so they could have dominated Congress? Non slave states dug in their heels and demanded slaves not be counted at all? This all led to war? That was Kelly's point. You know the saying; a good compromise is both sides walking away not getting everything they wanted.

Of course in the general sense that slavery is bad it was a bad compromise but abolishing slavery wasn't going to happen that day.

[Androidpk]

Financial incentives for what? Not having slaves?

yes

[Gelston]

What would have been your preference? Slave states demanded slaves be counted as a whole person for representation so they could have dominated Congress? Non slave states dug in their heels and demanded slaves not be counted at all? This all led to war? That was Kelly's point. You know the saying; a good compromise is both sides walking away not getting everything they wanted.

Of course in the general sense that slavery is bad it was a bad compromise but abolishing slavery wasn't going to happen that day.

Abolishing slavery after the Civil War was the best thing that could happen for plantation owners, to be honest. Now they didn't have to pay to cloth and feed their workers and they could pay them next to nothing. It was cheaper for them. It was, of course, also better for the former slaves... They had a few more rights. Jim Crowe kept them down for a long time.

[Taernath]

Were there any financial incentives? That seems like it should have been the way to go.

The entire economy of the southern states was based on slavery. You'd have to subsidize their entire economy.

[Gelston]

yes

Well, I imagine if we had had a compromise instead of the Civil War, there eventually would have been incentives for plantation owners to switch to more mechanized farming. Eventually slavery was going to become more expensive than it was worth and it would have been legislated away without much of a fuss. I'm fairly positive slavery wouldn't exist now, but African American rights probably would be a little behind what they are now.

The Civil War answered more than just the slavery question though. I think it was kind of important for us to have it.

[Androidpk]

Now they didn't have to pay to cloth

reported to tisket

[Gelston]

reported to tisket

Tisket can suck my clock.

[Androidpk]

Tisket can suck my clock.

digital or anal log?

[Methais]

digital or anal log?


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[drauz]

"SO disappointed! My SB 48 (outlaw child marriage) won’t be called for a vote," sponsor Julie Raque Adams, a Louisville Republican, said in a Tweet early Thursday. "It is disgusting that lobbying organizations would embrace kids marrying adults. We see evidence of parents who are addicted, abusive, neglectful pushing their children into predatory arms. Appalling."

http://www.kvue.com/article/news/nation-now/kentuckys-child-bride-bill-stalls-as-groups-fight-to-let-13-year-olds-wed/465-6cab9bfe-ed28-4110-b390-2b095f8348ba

[Methais]

2 SWAT Officers Suspended After Running In At Parkland Massacre (https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesmatter/news/2-swat-officers-suspended-for-running-in-to-help-at-parkland-massacre-luoyc9Rc-k6vUKPdBbSGKA?full=1)

[Gelston]

2 SWAT Officers Suspended After Running In At Parkland Massacre (https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesmatter/news/2-swat-officers-suspended-for-running-in-to-help-at-parkland-massacre-luoyc9Rc-k6vUKPdBbSGKA?full=1)

A distinction to be made, they aren't being punished because they ran in, they are being punished because they didn't report their location.

[Taernath]

A Miramar PD spokesperson told Blue Lives Matter, "Miramar PD had numerous officers and a victim advocate respond, without incident. The two SWAT officers temporarily suspended from the SWAT team, but not active duty, were not suspended for responding, but for NOT advising that they responded. They did not advise prior to self-dispatching, during the incident, nor immediately following. This is an officer safety issue, a violation of policy and goes against incident command training and the best practices learned from other mass casualty / shooting incidents."

Makes sense.

[cwolff]

In a surprise appearance on Saturday, former Trump adviser Steve Bannon addressed France's far-right National Front, telling a gathering of the party that they are “part of a worldwide movement that is bigger than France, bigger than Italy, bigger than Hungary — bigger than all of it. And history is on our side.”....Bannon told the crowd, “Let them call you racists. Let them call you xenophobes. Let them call you nativists,” The Post reported. “Wear it as a badge of honor. Because every day, we get stronger and they get weaker.”

History is on their side the way Germany had the 1st two Reich's on their side.

[Methais]

History is on their side the way Germany had the 1st two Reich's on their side.

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[~Rocktar~]

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What the actual fuck??!?!!

[cwolff]

https://twitter.com/Stonekettle/status/973205319496151040

This is a long thread about arming teachers in schools. He's asking good questions that seem to get ignored in the arm the teachers debate.


Stonekettle Retweeted Donald J. Trump
"Highly trained expert teachers"

Highly trained expert teachers

Highly trained

Highly trained by ... who?

Who designs the training. On what criteria? To what standards? No, don't just say, "the local police department" or something similar.

[Methais]

https://twitter.com/Stonekettle/status/973205319496151040

This is a long thread about arming teachers in schools. He's asking good questions that seem to get ignored in the arm the teachers debate.

They'll be trained by playing violent video games.

[Taernath]

it takes years of training to condition a soldier to kill another human being

No, only a few weeks. But that's only basic, and I know we're not sending teachers to a military boot camp.

I just want to know why there's more of an effort to provide firearms training to teachers, instead of better funding for... y'know.... teaching.

[cwolff]

No, only a few weeks. But that's only basic, and I know we're not sending teachers to a military boot camp.

I just want to know why there's more of an effort to provide firearms training to teachers, instead of better funding for... y'know.... teaching.

Exactly. They use their own money for basic supplies as it is. One of the Parkland kids responded to this by saying that his school was out of copy paper for two weeks.

[Taernath]

Teacher accidentally fires gun in California classroom, 3 students injured

http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-california-classroom-students-injured/article_3c599e1e-b344-5003-b918-30a3af4b7808.html


SEASIDE, Calif. • Police say a teacher in California accidentally fired his gun in a classroom, injuring three students.

It happened Tuesday at Seaside High School as Dennis Alexander was teaching a gun safety lesson for his administration of justice class.

Police say Alexander, who also serves as a reserve police officer, was pointing the gun at the ceiling to make sure it was not loaded when the weapon discharged.

Three students were injured by debris, including a 17-year-old whose father told KSBW-TV his son sustained moderate injuries when bullet fragments lodged in his neck.

Alexander was placed on administrative leave from his teaching job and he was also placed on administrative leave at the Sand City Police Department.

The fuck is an Administration of Justice class? Does it involve

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[RichardCranium]

Teacher accidentally fires gun in California classroom, 3 students injured

http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-california-classroom-students-injured/article_3c599e1e-b344-5003-b918-30a3af4b7808.html



The fuck is an Administration of Justice class? Does it involve

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dredd#/media/File:Dredd_Apocalypse_War.jpg

Terrible trigger discipline and he's a dipshit for having a loaded weapon in a public school classroom. Fire him immediately, charge him if necessary.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

[cwolff]

When Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20, 2017, the national debt was $19.9 trillion, according to U.S. Treasury data. Since then, the GOP-led Congress has passed a $1.5 trillion tax cut bill and a two-year spending deal which, together, are expected to drive the deficit and debt further upward. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates annual deficits could top $2.1 trillion per year in the next decade, which would send the national debt soaring even higher.

Winning!

[Wrathbringer]

Winning!

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[Methais]

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[cwolff]

My wife asked me the other day why the flags weren't all the way up. I explained what it means when we lower our flags halfway and it occurred to me that I didn't why the flags were half staff. Was is it the kids in Florida or something else. It seems that they fly at half staff a lot lately and I wasn't sure if the kids rate a flag lowering.

[Parkbandit]

My wife asked me the other day why the flags weren't all the way up. I explained what it means when we lower our flags halfway and it occurred to me that I didn't why the flags were half staff. Was is it the kids in Florida or something else. It seems that they fly at half staff a lot lately and I wasn't sure if the kids rate a flag lowering.

Wait.. you're a lesbian?

[Wrathbringer]

My wife asked me the other day why the flags weren't all the way up. I explained what it means when we lower our flags halfway and it occurred to me that I didn't why the flags were half staff. Was is it the kids in Florida or something else. It seems that they fly at half staff a lot lately and I wasn't sure if the kids rate a flag lowering.

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[Taernath]

My wife asked me the other day why the flags weren't all the way up. I explained what it means when we lower our flags halfway and it occurred to me that I didn't why the flags were half staff. Was is it the kids in Florida or something else. It seems that they fly at half staff a lot lately and I wasn't sure if the kids rate a flag lowering.

Could be a local thing. Our governor orders flags at half staff for people killed in Afghanistan.

[Methais]

My wife asked me the other day why the flags weren't all the way up. I explained what it means when we lower our flags halfway and it occurred to me that I didn't why the flags were half staff. Was is it the kids in Florida or something else. It seems that they fly at half staff a lot lately and I wasn't sure if the kids rate a flag lowering.

They’re mourning having to share a town with you.

[cwolff]

Could be a local thing. Our governor orders flags at half staff for people killed in Afghanistan.

Did they do it for people killed in Iraq? I always had a real case of the ass when they lower the flag for a soldier who got killed in an isolated mission. It kind of shits on all the guys who got killed while casualties were high. They didn't get the flag lowered because we were losing people everyday.

[cwolff]

The head of the House Judiciary Committee is expected to subpoena the Department of Justice (DOJ) as soon as this week to obtain documents related to how the FBI handled its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email server, The Hill has learned.
Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) have been leading a joint probe into what the two lawmakers say may be evidence of political bias in the highest levels at the Justice Department.

Thank God these people are here to protect 'murica from those evil Clintons. With reps like this, we don't even need geo-political enemies. We can really be isolationists now.

[Jeril]

My wife asked me the other day why the flags weren't all the way up. I explained what it means when we lower our flags halfway and it occurred to me that I didn't why the flags were half staff. Was is it the kids in Florida or something else. It seems that they fly at half staff a lot lately and I wasn't sure if the kids rate a flag lowering.

half mast......

[cwolff]

half mast......

I thought that was when I get drunk and only semi hard. LOL

[Jeril]

I thought that was when I get drunk and only semi hard. LOL

No, that's a chub or chubby.

[cwolff]

No, that's a chub or chubby.

Fuckin' A I got one of them right now. I think its from your avatar.

[cwolff]

8933

This is a photo of dead bodies after Las Vegas. Be warned, its grim. It definitely makes you frown and puts a different perspective on the massacre than you get from reading about it.

P.S. - I don't think its a fake but let me know if it is.

[Latrinsorm]

Rick Santorum (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/25/politics/rick-santorum-guns-cnntv/index.html), former Senator and current world record holder at putting "kick me" signs on his own back, in response to March for our Lives:

"How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that."

[Some Rogue]

THEY AREN'T PLAYING ALL THOSE ONLINE SHOOTER GAMES FOR NOTHING!

Now they just need to learn a cpr technique that keeps a person alive that was shot in the head!

[cwolff]

Rick Santorum (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/25/politics/rick-santorum-guns-cnntv/index.html), former Senator and current world record holder at putting "kick me" signs on his own back, in response to March for our Lives:

"How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that."

But their little fingers are so good at plugging holes and we all know they're gonna get shot anyway. That sandwich baggie ain't just for sandwiches kiddo. Slap it on Sarah's sucking chest wound and tape it down with this "Disney Princess" medical tape. You want Jasmine or Mulan?

[drauz]

Well, I think the point is that taking something out of the bill of rights isn't going to be as easy as they seems to think.

[Gelston]

Well, I think the point is that taking something out of the bill of rights isn't going to be as easy as they seems to think.

Really? It is going to be hard to get 38 states to all agree to remove something from the Constitution? Lies! We all know all the States are on the same page!

[cwolff]

Well, I think the point is that taking something out of the bill of rights isn't going to be as easy as they seems to think.

I'm confused by this and apologize in advance if its related to some other post; but are you saying that Santorums point was a 2A defense because these kids are trying to get that amendment repealed?

[Latrinsorm]

Well, I think the point is that taking something out of the bill of rights isn't going to be as easy as they seems to think.There's already a Constitutional age limit on guns. Upping that limit to 21 or 25 won't touch the Bill of Rights at all.

There's already a Constitutional limit on the type of arms we can bear (rocket launchers, nuclear arms, etc.) Adding AR-15s to that category won't touch the Bill of Rights at all.

There's already a Constitutional system of background checks before the purchase of firearms. Extending that system to other points of sale won't touch the Bill of Rights at all.

[drauz]

There's already a Constitutional age limit on guns. Upping that limit to 21 or 25 won't touch the Bill of Rights at all.

There's already a Constitutional limit on the type of arms we can bear (rocket launchers, nuclear arms, etc.) Adding AR-15s to that category won't touch the Bill of Rights at all.

There's already a Constitutional system of background checks before the purchase of firearms. Extending that system to other points of sale won't touch the Bill of Rights at all.

AR-15 is just a style. It's just cosmetic changes to rifles. So, yes it would touch the bill of rights pretty heavily. What you would want to set a limit on is magazine capacity.

Did you know that AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle?

[drauz]

I'm confused by this and apologize in advance if its related to some other post; but are you saying that Santorums point was a 2A defense because these kids are trying to get that amendment repealed?

I'm saying that starting small isn't the worst thing. CPR lessons should be taught in high school/middle school either way. The chances they get meaningless gun control passed is small. Their spokesperson seems to be a child that isn't even informed on the subject.

[Parkbandit]

AR-15 is just a style. It's just cosmetic changes to rifles. What you would want to set a limit on is magazine capacity.

Did you know that AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle?

They are big and black and scary though! They should be outlawed!

[drauz]

They are big and black and scary though! They should be outlawed!

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[cwolff]

AR-15 is just a style. It's just cosmetic changes to rifles. What you would want to set a limit on is magazine capacity. So, yes it would touch the bill of rights pretty heavily.

Did you know that AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle?


I'm saying that starting small isn't the worst thing. CPR lessons should be taught in high school/middle school either way. The chances they get meaningless gun control passed is small. Their spokesperson seems to be a child that isn't even informed on the subject.

I like where this is going because I have some ideas. Fuck the assault weapons ban and trying to define what one is. That's about impossible and there will be a workaround.

What I'd do is this: make semi automatic illegal, max capacitys of 5 for a rifle, 3 shotgun, and like 9 or 10 for handguns. So, manual actions only and low capacities.

To the argument that a rifle by any other name is just a rifle I say this: is there a difference between a corvette and a mini van? Same thing thing right? Both have 4 tires, engines, steering wheels, brakes etc...The ar15 was made by armalite to sell to military. Its a weapon purpose built for killing humans. It ain't some tool used to a purpose. Its simply a big boy toy. Like a barbie doll. You can dress it up, change the handrails, paint it pink or whatever. Its high time for American men to grow up and set these toys aside.

P.S. - I get what your saying about starting small and I'm cool with that. My real problem is with the mentality behind these toys but there's no way to legislate that

[Latrinsorm]

AR-15 is just a style. It's just cosmetic changes to rifles. What you would want to set a limit on is magazine capacity. So, yes it would touch the bill of rights pretty heavily.Fyock v. Sunnyvale. No, no it wouldn't.
Did you know that AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle?Yes.

Stop buying into the hype. There are no binaries. There are only sliders. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, but you can't shout fire in a crowded theater. No person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law, but American citizens were sent to Gitmo, internment camps, etc. You're not on the side of patriotism - no one is.

[Androidpk]

Make semi-automatics illegal? No thanks.

[cwolff]

Make semi-automatics illegal? No thanks.

I know, and it sucks, but you got to have a strong law. Otherwise some genius will invent a gadget to feed rounds without pausing to reload. Look at the bump stock. Gun owners who want to be respected as responsible should have demanded that thing get outlawed. Even after Las Vegas no one did shit about it and that's a no brainer.

If we had the responsible gun owner community that I think we used to have, none of this stuff would even be a subject for discussion.

[Androidpk]

I know, and it sucks, but you got to have a strong law. Otherwise some genius will invent a gadget to feed rounds without pausing to reload. Look at the bump stock. Gun owners who want to be respected as responsible should have demanded that thing get outlawed. Even after Las Vegas no one did shit about it and that's a no brainer.

If we had the responsible gun owner community that I think we used to have, none of this stuff would even be a subject for discussion.

What makes you think we don't have responsible gun ownership at large? A very small % are used for large scale crimes. Start with stricter buying/ownership laws.

[drauz]

Fyock v. Sunnyvale. No, no it wouldn't.Yes.

Stop buying into the hype. There are no binaries. There are only sliders. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, but you can't shout fire in a crowded theater. No person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law, but American citizens were sent to Gitmo, internment camps, etc. You're not on the side of patriotism - no one is.

You said ban AR-15s. Capacity =/= banning weapons. Like I said AR-15s are just a style. Think of it like someone being emo, they dress the part and wear some eyeshadow but they are still human underneath.

That is why I said to focus on magazine capacity.

[cwolff]

What makes you think we don't have responsible gun ownership at large? A very small % are used for large scale crimes. Start with stricter buying/ownership laws.

I think that ship sailed. Individuals may be responsible at home no doubt but as a community they lost their way. The NRA is nuts anymore and as I said above, if the gun loving community was responsible they'd have stopped bump stocks from being a thing. And the %'s for mass shootings are indeed exceedingly small but their impact is absolutely enormous. Its the bad Apple theory. The gun owners (myself included) have failed to step up so now I say we have to do it for them.

[Gelston]

You said ban AR-15s. Capacity =/= banning weapons. Like I said AR-15s are just a style. Think of it like someone being emo, they dress the part and wear some eyeshadow but they are still human underneath.

That is why I said to focus on magazine capacity.

A lot of states do that too. some states have laws in place where the magazine has to be welded in place too, so you have to load the weapon M1 garande style. All i know is that I still have tons of 30 round mags from when I was in, so :P

[Androidpk]

I think that ship sailed. Individuals may be responsible at home no doubt but as a community they lost their way. The NRA is nuts anymore and as I said above, if the gun loving community was responsible they'd have stopped bump stocks from being a thing. And the %'s for mass shootings are indeed exceedingly small but their impact is absolutely enormous. Its the bad Apple theory. The gun owners (myself included) have failed to step up so now I say we have to do it for them.

Nope, not buying that excuse.

[drauz]

I know, and it sucks, but you got to have a strong law. Otherwise some genius will invent a gadget to feed rounds without pausing to reload. Look at the bump stock. Gun owners who want to be respected as responsible should have demanded that thing get outlawed. Even after Las Vegas no one did shit about it and that's a no brainer.

If we had the responsible gun owner community that I think we used to have, none of this stuff would even be a subject for discussion.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/justice-department-to-create-new-rule-banning-bump-stocks.html

[cwolff]

Nope, not buying that excuse.

Then why are bump stocks still legal? Trump is going to ban them but it'll be challenged and he'll probably lose.

[drauz]

I think that ship sailed. Individuals may be responsible at home no doubt but as a community they lost their way. The NRA is nuts anymore and as I said above, if the gun loving community was responsible they'd have stopped bump stocks from being a thing. And the %'s for mass shootings are indeed exceedingly small but their impact is absolutely enormous. Its the bad Apple theory. The gun owners (myself included) have failed to step up so now I say we have to do it for them.

You are headed down a especially slippery slope, I don't think you fully understand what you are actually proposing. This logic would be used for much worse ends.

[Androidpk]

Then why are bump stocks still legal? Trump is going to ban them but it'll be challenged and he'll probably lose.

Because the GOP controls Congress.

[cwolff]

You are headed down a especially slippery slope, I don't think you fully understand what you are actually proposing. This logic would be used for much worse ends.

Isn't this just how laws are made? Its like anything and everything. A few assholes push the limits or waaayyy past the limits of what's acceptable and we have to make new laws. The excuse is, "well its not illegal" and we then have to pass laws. Its where you get Big Government


Because the GOP controls Congress.

And who are GOP voters, even single issue voters? Gun owners; that's who.

[Androidpk]

Not all GOP voters are gun owners and not all gun owners are Republican.

[drauz]

Isn't this just how laws are made? Its like anything and everything. A few assholes push the limits or waaayyy past the limits of what's acceptable and we have to make new laws. The excuse is, "well its not illegal" and we then have to pass laws. Its where you get Big Government.

And then someone will come in and talk about black crime or Muslim terrorists with that same excuse. Just say "I don't like or understand firearms" and this is the only way I'd use this excuse. Everything else is "different".

Should we enable curfews for blacks? Monitoring chips for Muslims? its just a few bad apples, but better to be safe than sorry.

[~Rocktar~]

And then someone will come in and talk about black crime or Muslim terrorists with that same excuse. Just say "I don't like or understand firearms" and this is the only way I'd use this excuse. Everything else is "different".

Should we enable curfews for blacks? Monitoring chips for Muslims? its just a few bad apples, but better to be safe than sorry.

What about regulating that evil and dangerous Free Speech? I mean really, how many people have been radicalized by dangerous words and rhetoric that they didn't really understand? How many people have died because we let people say what they want?

[Androidpk]

Should we enable curfews for blacks? Monitoring chips for Muslims? its just a few bad apples, but better to be safe than sorry.

All of the recent shootings have been carried out by white males. Sounds like we should chip all young white males.

[Gelston]

What about regulating that evil and dangerous Free Speech? I mean really, how many people have been radicalized by dangerous words and rhetoric that they didn't really understand? How many people have died because we let people say what they want?

Shit, not too long ago there was a bunch of people trying to spread fake information that "hate speech" is illegal. I think certain members of this board thought that true as well.

[cwolff]

Not all GOP voters are gun owners and not all gun owners are Republican.

No, not all.


And then someone will come in and talk about black crime or muslim terrorists with that same excuse. Just say "I don't like or understand firearms" and this is the only way I'd use this excuse. Everything else is "different".

Think of it like this: trump violates societal norms by not releasing his tax returns, GOP doesn't make him. Now we have to make laws.

[Androidpk]

No, not all.



Think of it like this: trump violates societal norms by not releasing his tax returns, GOP doesn't make him. Now we have to make laws.

A better example, which would be more fitting, is that because Trump isn't releasing his tax returns then everybody in the US needs to make their tax returns public.

[cwolff]

A better example, which would be more fitting, is that because Trump isn't releasing his tax returns then everybody in the US needs to make their tax returns public.

Yes I see that angle. Ya you have a point. AR15s are fun as fuck. Its a shame if we can't keep playing with them but this stuff is never surgically precise and all good people lose rights whenever any law is created. I have friends who can consume lots if drugs and be totally positive members of society. Some people can't so we legislate

[drauz]

Yes I see that angle. Ya you have a point. AR15s are fun as fuck. Its a shame if we can't keep playing with them but this stuff is never surgically precise and all good people lose rights whenever any law is created. I have friends who can consume lots if drugs and be totally positive members of society. Some people can't so we legislate

Consuming drugs isn't a constitutional right though, so the analogy doesn't apply.

[cwolff]

Consuming drugs isn't a constitutional right though, so the analogy doesn't apply.

Either is unlimited firearms. This has already been established and the constitution permits vigorous regulation of weapons

[Androidpk]

Yes I see that angle. Ya you have a point. AR15s are fun as fuck. Its a shame if we can't keep playing with them but this stuff is never surgically precise and all good people lose rights whenever any law is created. I have friends who can consume lots if drugs and be totally positive members of society. Some people can't so we legislate

Should we legislate white males?

[drauz]

Either is unlimited firearms. This has already been established and the constitution permits vigorous regulation of weapons

Who is talking about unlimited firearms? I'll probably never own more than 4. Pistol, shotgun, AR, and a bolt action.

I have already put forward a gun regulation. The problem is that it wouldn't actually help what you want it to help. So when the next one happens you will want to go further, and when the next one happens after that you'll go even further. Until we are talking about banning guns all together.

[cwolff]

Should we legislate white males?

That's what I think I said before. The mentality is fucked but impossible to legislate that so we have pass clumsy laws. Its an old story but its the only reason we have law in the first place.

[cwolff]

Who is talking about unlimited firearms?

I have already put forward a gun regulation. The problem is that it wouldn't actually help what you want it to help. So when the next one happens you will want to go further, and when the next one happens after that you'll go even further. Until we are talking about banning guns all together.

Evidence suggest that isnt the case. The measurable effect of the assault weapons ban on mass shootings for one. Its much harder to mass shoot with a bolt action.

[Androidpk]

That's what I think I said before. The mentality is fucked but impossible to legislate that so we have pass clumsy laws. Its an old story but its the only reason we have law in the first place.

We could make it so white males aren't allowed to purchase or own firearms. We could also enact strict curfews, limit movement, and enact probation.

[drauz]

That's what I think I said before. The mentality is fucked but impossible to legislate that so we have pass clumsy laws. Its an old story but its the only reason we have law in the first place.

The whole leap before you look mentality is just terrible.

[cwolff]

We could make it so white males aren't allowed to purchase or own firearms. We could also enact strict curfews, limit movement, and enact probation.

Oh we'd never hear the end of that. MI v. Sitz style checkpoints for white dudes, stop and frisk in the suburbs of Nebraska. Hahaha. They'd sure be victimized as fuck. I can't deal with anymore "white guys are the real victims" bellyaching.

[Androidpk]

Oh we'd never hear the end of that. MI v. Sitz style checkpoints for white dudes, stop and frisk in the suburbs of Nebraska. Hahaha. They'd sure be victimized as fuck. I can't deal with anymore "white guys are the real victims" bellyaching.

So you'd be for it?

[drauz]

Oh we'd never hear the end of that. MI v. Sitz style checkpoints for white dudes, stop and frisk in the suburbs of Nebraska. Hahaha. They'd sure be victimized as fuck. I can't deal with anymore "white guys are the real victims" bellyaching.

You've been fed this crap that white males are the problem. And you've gulped it down willingly. If you really want to go down the race road you probably won't like what the statistics will show you.

[cwolff]

So you'd be for it?

No. Its so far fetched I figured you were pretty much joking

[Androidpk]

No. Its so far fetched I figured you were pretty much joking

It's as far fetched as banning all semi-automatic firearms.

[drauz]

Here are the stats if you want to look btw.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

[cwolff]

You've been fed this crap that white males are the problem. And you've gulped it down willingly. If you really want to go down the race road you probably won't like what the statistics will show you.

There's a fucked up mentality in my peer group is what I'm saying. I think these super sexy "assault rifles" are a manifestation of that. I think that we, as men, need to step up and grow up. Its time to quit playing with toys and look after the tribe, which in this case is the people of our country.

I'm being general and simplistic. I expect to be not-picked, but thats about as good as I can articulate where I'm coming from right now

[cwolff]

It's as far fetched as banning all semi-automatic firearms.

Nah. That's easy. Like banning leaded gasoline. Just have to get enough electoral momentum to overcome the lobbyists. Banning humans is tough

[Androidpk]

I think these super sexy "assault rifles" are a manifestation of that. I think that we, as men, need to step up and grow up. Its time to quit playing with toys and look after the tribe, which in this case is the people of our country.

Now you're just being creepy :|

[cwolff]

Now you're just being creepy :|

You got to admit they are sexy as hell. I bet you keep "guns and ammo" in the bathroom. LOL

[drauz]

There's a fucked up mentality in my peer group is what I'm saying. I think these super sexy "assault rifles" are a manifestation of that. I think that we, as men, need to step up and grow up. Its time to quit playing with toys and look after the tribe, which in this case is the people of our country.

I'm being general and simplistic. I expect to be not-picked, but thats about as good as I can articulate where I'm coming from right now

Your peer group is significantly under represented in all crimes. Violent crimes have been decreasing overall for a while.

You being simplistic is an understatement. I would go so far as to say uninformed.

[drauz]

You got to admit they are sexy as hell. I bet you keep "guns and ammo" in the bathroom. LOL

I bet you have a Men's Health magazine in your bathroom, is there something you need to tell your wife?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AlienatedSpectacularFlicker-max-1mb.gif

[cwolff]

Your peer group is significantly under represented in all crimes. Violent crimes have been decreasing overall for a while.

You being simplistic is an understatement. I would go so far as to say uninformed.

I do know crime is decreasing and has been my entire life for the most part. That doesn't stop the fear mongering. Whats worse is the way people rationalize their fears. We had 8 years of Obama coming for your guns even though that was not true. Responsible men wouldnt have overreacted that way. Been led astray by memes and marketing.

You got to keep in mind that there are two separate things here and they get mingled which screws up the debate. You general run of the mill crime. And you have these mass shooting events whose impact is 1000% bigger than their statistical representation.

That impact is driving this debate.

[cwolff]

I bet you have a Men's Health magazine in your bathroom, is there something you need to tell your wife?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AlienatedSpectacularFlicker-max-1mb.gif

Hahaha. Baby, I'd like you to meet kip. Hes not just my personal trainer. LOL. She'd stab poor Kip.

[drauz]

I do know crime is decreasing and has been my entire life for the most part. That doesn't stop the fear mongering. Whats worse is the way people rationalize their fears. We had 8 years of Obama coming for your guns even though that was not true. Responsible men wouldnt have overreacted that way. Been led astray by memes and marketing.

You got to keep in mind that there are two separate things here and they get mingled which screws up the debate. You general run of the mill crime. And you have these mass shooting events whose impact is 1000% bigger than their statistical representation.

That impact is driving this debate.

Your general run of the mill murder you mean?

For some reason you think it's the gun that's doing it and that is retarded. These kids think the guns are sexy so they shoot up schools. It has nothing to do with their mental state, it's that they fetishize guns!

This is precisely why people say its a mental health issue and not a guns issue, because it is.

[cwolff]

Your general run of the mill murder you mean?

For some reason you think it's the gun that's doing it and that is retarded. These kids think the guns are sexy so they shoot up schools. It has nothing to do with their mental state, it's that they fetishize guns!

This is precisely why people say its a mental health issue and not a guns issue, because it is.

You're agreeing with me in the main. Where we differ is that having the right tool for the job makes killing people a ton easier. Like turning a bolt with pliers compared to actually getting the correct size box end wrench. The right tool for the job. When it comes to shooting lots of people the right tool is an AR or its cousins. Its made for the job and up to the task at hand.

The sexiness I'm talking about relates more to the big boy toys point I was trying to make. I didn't relate it to kids like Adam Lanza.

P.S. yes general run of the mill murder is what I meant. Like the kid in MD. He was a domestic abuser. They say the resource officer stopped him though I'm not sure that's that case. We can understand him killing her. It makes sense even though its abhorrent. These random mass events make no sense (Hell, they don't even know a motive for Lad Vegas) and that multiplies their impact on the national psyche

[drauz]

You're agreeing with me in the main. Where we differ is that having the right tool for the job makes killing people a ton easier. Like turning a bolt with pliers compared to actually getting the correct size box end wrench. The right tool for the job. When it comes to shooting lots of people the right tool is an AR or its cousins. Its made for the job and up to the task at hand.

The sexiness I'm talking about relates more to the big boy toys point I was trying to make. I didn't relate it to kids like Adam Lanza.

So your main concern is to deal with a symptom of the problem and not the problem? Republicans have said they are more than willing to work with the mental health aspect, but the gun control part is all Democrats seem to be interested in. Something isn't adding up if what they actually want is to stop mass shootings.

[cwolff]

So your main concern is to deal with a symptom of the problem and not the problem? Republicans have said they are more than willing to work with the mental health aspect, but the gun control part is all Democrats seem to be interested in. Something isn't adding up if what they actually want is to stop mass shootings.

This is why I say we have to change the mentality. Something's broken in Americans. We're backsliding. Right now is about the best time in the history of the world to be alive and we're all fucked up and angry. I think that applies to guns because its now a wedge issue. Its a tribal identifier. The gun is no longer a useful piece of equipment. Its not a tool in other words. If it were no one would freak about going bolt action.

We can't legislate making people mentally healthy. In the meantime we can lower the incidents of gun violence

I am all for strong mental health programs though. Lets invest in it and see what happens

[drauz]

P.S. yes general run of the mill murder is what I meant. Like the kid in MD. He was a domestic abuser. They say the resource officer stopped him though I'm not sure that's that case. We can understand him killing her. It makes sense even though its abhorrent. These random mass events make no sense (Hell, they don't even know a motive for Lad Vegas) and that multiplies their impact on the national psyche

Only reports I've seen have either said the RO killed the guy or that they were unsure if he did. Thankfully we'll never know if there would have been more victims because (in my opinion) he WAS there. He used a handgun btw.

[cwolff]

Only reports I've seen have either said the RO killed the guy or that they were unsure if he did. Thankfully we'll never know if there would have been more victims because (in my opinion) he WAS there. He used a handgun btw.

Yes I see that too. Not sure if it was self inflicted or not. My friends on Facebook think this story is a gut punch to liberals. They're like, "see libtards! Good guy with a gun".

I think it damages their main arguments. For one thing, the good guy with a gun didn't stop him from walking into school and shooting girl. He also only killed one person. If he had an AR he could have killed more people more easily

[Methais]

Yes I see that too. Not sure if it was self inflicted or not. My friends on Facebook think this story is a gut punch to liberals. They're like, "see libtards! Good guy with a gun".

I think it damages their main arguments. For one thing, the good guy with a gun didn't stop him from walking into school and shooting girl. He also only killed one person. If he had an AR he could have killed more people more easily

Good God it’s like you consciously go out of your way to be as retarded as humanly possible.

[drauz]

This is why I say we have to change the mentality. Something's broken in Americans. We're backsliding. Right now is about the best time in the history of the world to be alive and we're all fucked up and angry. I think that applies to guns because its now a wedge issue. Its a tribal identifier. The gun is no longer a useful piece of equipment. Its not a tool in other words. If it were no one would freak about going bolt action.

We can't legislate making people mentally healthy. In the meantime we can lower the incidents of gun violence

No, most issues over the past 10 years haven't been about guns. The main issues now is immigration, its not even about guns until a mass shooting happens. It is something else.

I don't want to get rid of the tool just because it is used improperly a very small percentage of the time. The gun is most certainly a useful piece of equipment... Where did you pull that from? It serves the purpose of defending yourself and your property, not to mention its use for hunting...

I really think you are just uninformed when it comes to guns all around.

[cwolff]

No, most issues over the past 10 years haven't been about guns. The main issues now is immigration, its not even about guns until a mass shooting happens. It is something else.

I don't want to get rid of the tool just because it is used improperly a very small percentage of the time. The gun is most certainly a useful piece of equipment... Where did you pull that from? It serves the purpose of defending yourself and your property, not to mention its use for hunting...

I really think you are just uninformed when it comes to guns all around.

A shotgun, 30.06 and a handgun is all you need for basically any application. If they were just tools we'd not have all these mods to dress it up and play navy seal/swat.

I said its a wedge issue. That not in dispute. At least it hasn't been until now. The tide may be turning:


(CNN) - Republican donor Al Hoffman Jr. announced the launch of an advocacy organization on Saturday that will push Congress to pass comprehensive gun control legislation.

[drauz]

If he had an AR he could have killed more people more easily

What makes you say that? A handgun is easier to conceal and you could walk into a crowd and start shooting before anyone realizes what is happening. Remember an AR-15 is still one trigger pull one bullet just like a handgun. A handgun is easier to reload in my opinion as well, especially for the uninitiated.


For one thing, the good guy with a gun didn't stop him from walking into school and shooting girl.

You will always be dealing with an "ambush" in these situations. No one is going to say on March 25th @ 10am I'm going to start shooting, so be ready for me. You don't seem to be basing anything in reality and how things actually work.

So you've banned AR-15s, so they start using handguns to the same effect(since they work basically the same). Will you then ban handguns?

You think they look scary so they should be banned. I disagree and I don't think you have the subject knowledge to change my mind

[drauz]

A shotgun, 30.06 and a handgun is all you need for basically any application. If they were just tools we'd not have all these mods to dress it up and play navy seal/swat.

I said its a wedge issue. That not in dispute. At least it hasn't been until now. The tide may be turning:

A burlap sack is all you need to go outside and not show your private bits. If I change the body of my toyota to look like a ferrari does it then run like a ferrari?!

THEY ARE COSMETIC CHANGES TO THE GUN. Other than magazine capacity they don't change how the gun works in a game changing way.

People like to make their stuff look nice. That is all you are currently trying to legislate for. Its security theater.

[cwolff]

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity. Totally agree with you there. And no matter what magazine size or action (semi or single) you can still dress an AR up to look all scary. One can have a single action AR, with all the cool side rails and shit. Its a win win.

You still keep your nice clothes in other words

[Gelston]

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity. Totally agree with you there. And no matter what magazine size or action (semi or single) you can still dress an AR up to look all scary. One can have a single action AR, with all the co side rails and shit. Its a win win.

You still keep your nice clothes in other words

No, because then people would start calling them sniper rifles and call for more bans. In the UK there are people who want to ban knives right now, btw.

[cwolff]

No, because then people would start calling them sniper rifles and call for more bans. In the UK there are people who want to ban knives right now, btw.

If we get into a situation of copycat sniping and it becomes a big deal then I'm sure we will consider banning long guns or at least putting hella restrictions on them.

We ban knives now in cities. Not completely ban them but the blade length mostly. Switchblades may still be banned in places

[Neveragain]

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity.

We have done this before, it didn't help anything. What it did was make the shooting hobby suck, it fucking blows having to reload every 3/5 rounds and you're talking single shot. Do you suck this much at parties?

Why are you not calling for a ban on shotguns? Shotguns are by far a much better choice of gun for inside the hallways of a building. Why not a call for a ban on .22, .38, .45 and 9 mm handguns? These guns are used in more crimes than "assault rifles", long guns really are not that great of an option for school shooting situations.

[drauz]

We do agree about limiting magazine capacity. Totally agree with you there. And no matter what magazine size or action (semi or single) you can still dress an AR up to look all scary. One can have a single action AR, with all the cool side rails and shit. Its a win win.

You still keep your nice clothes in other words

The main problem though is mental health. We've agreed on that, why don't we focus on getting that changed instead. It is something both parties can get behind without a ton of push back.

[cwolff]

We have done this before, it didn't help anything. What it did was make the shooting hobby suck, it fucking blows having to reload every 3/5 rounds and you're talking single shot. Do you suck this much at parties?

Why are you not calling for a ban on shotguns? Shotguns are by far a much better choice of gun for inside the hallways of a building. Why not a call for a ban on .22, .38, .45 and 9 mm handguns? These guns are used in more crimes than "assault rifles", long guns really are not that great of an option for school shooting situations.

They are the weapon of choice for this sort of thing are they not?

We did this type of thing before and it helped.

[cwolff]

The main problem though is mental health. We've agreed on that, why don't we focus on getting that changed instead. It is something both parties can get behind without a ton of push back.

Definitely. I have zero ideas on how this would work though. Mandatory school psychiatry appointments? How do we balance privacy and public safety with regards to mental health?

[Gelston]

If we get into a situation of copycat sniping and it becomes a big deal then I'm sure we will consider banning long guns or at least putting hella restrictions on them.

We ban knives now in cities. Not completely ban them but the blade length mostly. Switchblades may still be banned in places

Yeah, you're all about completely removing rights aren't you? What a great American you are.

[cwolff]

Yeah, you're all about completely removing rights aren't you? What a great American you are.

What rights? You don't have the right to any firearm you want.

You're getting personal. I've just stated facts. Bring Malvo and Boyd every year and see how fast they crack down on rifles.

[Neveragain]

They are the weapon of choice for this sort of thing are they not?

We did this type of thing before and it helped.

Pull up some official stats, handguns are by far used more for crimes. These "assault" rifles are expensive as fuck which makes them difficult to get, they did the same shit in the 90's with the mac 10, it was all bullshit then and it's all bullshit now. We didn't have problems with shooting up our schools, the guns have not changed.

[cwolff]

You're late to the discussion. We've already talked about regular crime vs. Spectacular crime like these shooting sprees. Gun statistics don't measure the impact of these shootings well. The response to the students from Parkland does though. They've lit a fire.

[Neveragain]

You're late to the discussion. We've already talked about regular crime vs. Spectacular crime like these shooting sprees. Gun statistics don't measure the impact of these shootings well. The response to the students from Parkland does though. They've lit a fire.

A fire?.....Like the Russian fire in the other thread?

You need to unplug dude. This will be forgot about by the end of the working week.

P.S. Here is the list of weapons used in Columbine:

Intratec TEC-DC9.
Hi-Point 995 Carbine.
Savage 67H pump-action shotgun.
Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun.
99 explosives.
4 knives.

[cwolff]

A fire?.....Like the Russian fire in the other thread?

You need to unplug dude. This will be forgot about by the end of the working week.

Maybe, maybe not. I'd say its rash to make these bold declarations at this point.


A prominent Republican political donor demanded on Saturday that the party pass legislation to restrict access to guns, and vowed not to contribute to any candidates or electioneering groups that did not support a ban on the sale of military-style firearms to civilians.

Al Hoffman Jr., a Florida-based real estate developer who was a leading fund-raiser for George W. Bush’s campaigns, said he would seek to marshal support among other Republican political donors for a renewed assault weapons ban.

[cwolff]

A fire?.....Like the Russian fire in the other thread?

You need to unplug dude. This will be forgot about by the end of the working week.

P.S. Here is the list of weapons used in Columbine:

Intratec TEC-DC9.
Hi-Point 995 Carbine.
Savage 67H pump-action shotgun.
Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun.
99 explosives.
4 knives.

Yup, that's a list. They got more kills with the sawed off shotgun than anything else too and thats been illegal forever

[drauz]

The response to the students from Parkland does though. They've lit a fire.

What do you think is more extreme? Banning a constitutional right or clear backpacks?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJObNzyc8M

[cwolff]

What do you think is more extreme? Banning a constitutional right or clear backpacks?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJObNzyc8M

Banning a right of course. This clear backpack thing is horrible though. On many levels.

[drauz]

Banning a right of course. This clear backpack thing is horrible though. On many levels.

Explain why?

[cwolff]

Explain why?

I don't get it. What am I missing here? You really want me to explain the difference between what's essentially a dress code issue and the constitution?

Now if this kid is able to make a 1st amendment case out of this, and it doesn't get laughed out of court, then we have something to consider.

[drauz]

I don't get it. What am I missing here? You really want me to explain the difference between what's essentially a dress code issue and the constitution?

Now if this kid is able to make a 1st amendment case out of this, and it doesn't get laughed out of court, then we have something to consider.

Why the clear backpack is stupid.

[cwolff]

Why the clear backpack is stupid.

You think its a good idea?

[drauz]

You think its a good idea?

I don't think its a horrible idea.

[cwolff]

I don't think its a horrible idea.

We could try it in places like Parkland and see what happens. It probably won't hurt. Kids will get used to it. They'll start cutting out pipe shaped holes in the pages of their books to smuggle contraband.

Check this out:


Although several other states rejected proposals to build Verrückt, lax amusement ride regulations in Kansas permitted its construction at the Schlitterbahn water park, reported local Fox affiliate WDAF-TV.

This popped up on Facebook recently. This is what I've been talking about with how we get laws. Park owners are being accused of designing it themselves to save money on engineering and math. Now Kansas will probably have to make stricter laws because that's how laws happen.

http://huffp.st/uMygi03

[drauz]

We could try it in places like Parkland and see what happens. It probably won't hurt. Kids will get used to it. They'll start cutting out pipe shaped holes in the pages of their books to smuggle contraband.

So you're saying people will find a way to get around laws no matter what?




This popped up on Facebook recently. This is what I've been talking about with how we get laws. Park owners are being accused of designing it themselves to save money on engineering and math. Now Kansas will probably have to make stricter laws because that's how laws happen.

It really is great for this discussion because we have a bunch of people talking with no expertise (like these school kids) and just relying on trial and error but without knowing whats already been tried.

[cwolff]

We know what's been tried and the assault weapon ban had a positive impact on mass shootings.

Edit:And no, about the getting around things. You'll never stop crime 100%. We do know ways to deter it.

The article is an example of laws working. Dude had to find a state that didn't have laws against his half assed engineering

[drauz]

We know what's been tried and the assault weapon ban had a positive impact on mass shootings.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/xIM8Mxgop-TiwcHaKLmdlRwSL8g=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/680662/Mass_20Shootings_201980-2010-thumb-533x320-79419.0.jpg

Looks pretty stead to me. Thats from Vox btw.

I don't particularly care if its a mass murder or "run of the mill" murder though. One just causes more emotion because of how they're covered.

[cwolff]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/xIM8Mxgop-TiwcHaKLmdlRwSL8g=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/680662/Mass_20Shootings_201980-2010-thumb-533x320-79419.0.jpg

Looks pretty stead to me. Thats from Vox btw.

I don't particularly care if its a mass murder or "run of the mill" murder though. One just causes more emotion because of how they're covered.

Ya you have a point. Data is not supporting my ideas too much. This is the one I've seen.


"The only gun control measure that had a statistically significant effect on the number of school shooting victims was the assault weapons ban," he writes. "When the assault weapons ban, state or federal, was in effect, the number of school shooting victims was 54.4 percent less than (when it was not in effect)."

Gius adds two cautionary notes to these findings. First, such laws are one of many factors influencing school-shooting deaths.

"States that had above-average unemployment and gun ownership rates, along with greater than average alcohol consumption and larger student-age populations, had greater number of school shooting victims," he writes.

https://psmag.com/news/assault-weapons-ban-decreases-school-shooting-deaths

[drauz]

Ya you have a point. Data is not supporting my ideas too much. This is the one I've seen.



https://psmag.com/news/assault-weapons-ban-decreases-school-shooting-deaths

Mine is all mass shootings and yours is only school shootings. I believe mine is 4+ deaths but all shootings.

I do notice that yours doesn't say that instances of school shootings isn't decreased only the number of victims in them.

[cwolff]

Mine is all mass shootings and yours is only school shootings. I believe mine is 4+ deaths but all shootings.

I do notice that yours doesn't say that instances of school shootings isn't decreased only the number of victims in them.

Ya I wonder about that too. It would support a ban if there's less victims though I wonder if the sample size is big enough. It seems that there aren't any solid conclusions to be drawn from the assault weapons ban because of grandfathering anyway.

That leaves us with information from other countries but that doesn't really apply here. We seem to have a unique relationship with our guns and the 2nd amendment

[Orthin]

Why the clear backpack is stupid.

This to some degree is/was being applied in stadiums for purses/carry ins. Not sure if it ever fully got off the ground but it was in legitimate discussions.

[Parkbandit]

We know what's been tried and the assault weapon ban had a positive impact on mass shootings.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2Tn10AXN6B98k/giphy.gif



Edit:And no, about the getting around things. You'll never stop crime 100%. We do know ways to deter it.

Banning assault weapons has done nothing to stop mass shootings. Where has clear backpacks been tried?

So far, the "best" ideas I have heard is clear backpacks, buckets of stones and canned goods. At least these ideas are new and haven't been proven false.


The article is an example of laws working. Dude had to find a state that didn't have laws against his half assed engineering

And your answer to school shootings is an example of Einstein's theory of Insanity. It's not an example of laws actually working.

[beldannon5]

The Royals and the Chefs here in Kansas and I think my Oakland Raiders do clear bags only

[cwolff]

I used to watch Cub's games from my friends roof. After 9/11 they put up screen netting to block the view. It was protection from snipers. Then they worked out a deal to charge admission at these rooftops and sell concessions. I figured clear bags in the same category. Make sure no one's brining in something to compete with sales.

[Neveragain]

They got more kills with the sawed off shotgun than anything else too and thats been illegal forever

So your ban is based solely on emotion.

Please don't vote.

[Parkbandit]

We seem to have a unique relationship with our guns and the 2nd amendment

One of the few countries that haven't been ruled by a dictator or invaded as well.

[Gelston]

You think its a good idea?

I think it is a great fucking idea. We had to wear clear and net backpacks after Columbine. We also had to wear ID cards and lanyards. I lived through it, I didn't feel like there were any violations against my rights. Stop being willfully fucking stupid.

Originally the ID cards also had your grade on them too, but they took them off when people got made fun of for being grade 10.5. That is what your ID would say, based on your arguments here. You have the intellect of a grade 10.5.

[Methais]

What makes you say that? A handgun is easier to conceal and you could walk into a crowd and start shooting before anyone realizes what is happening. Remember an AR-15 is still one trigger pull one bullet just like a handgun. A handgun is easier to reload in my opinion as well, especially for the uninitiated.



You will always be dealing with an "ambush" in these situations. No one is going to say on March 25th @ 10am I'm going to start shooting, so be ready for me. You don't seem to be basing anything in reality and how things actually work.

So you've banned AR-15s, so they start using handguns to the same effect(since they work basically the same). Will you then ban handguns?

You think they look scary so they should be banned. I disagree and I don't think you have the subject knowledge to change my mind

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Walther_P22_Corrected.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Glock17.jpg/800px-Glock17.jpg

The VA tech shooter took out more people with these two handguns than the Parkland shooter did with his AR-15. cwollf is just an incredible fucking retard that has no concept of reality outside of his little soy bubble, and I'm starting to think he might be related to Backlash. Which he'd probably take as a compliment.

[Parkbandit]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Walther_P22_Corrected.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Glock17.jpg/800px-Glock17.jpg

The VA tech shooter took out more people with these two handguns than the Parkland shooter did with his AR-15. cwollf is just an incredible fucking retard that has no concept of reality outside of his little soy bubble, and I'm starting to think he might be related to Backlash. Which he'd probably take as a compliment.

Those could be classified later on as "assault weapons" as well.. since they can hold more than 10 bullets and they are black and very scary looking.

[drauz]

Those could be classified later on as "assault weapons" as well.. since they can hold more than 10 bullets and they are black and very scary looking.

They do come with a pistol grip.

[Androidpk]

You got to admit they are sexy as hell. I bet you keep "guns and ammo" in the bathroom. LOL

No.. I don't think they're sexy, I don't own any guns, and I certainly don't subscribe to any gun magazines.

[Methais]

Definitely. I have zero ideas on how this would work though. Mandatory school psychiatry appointments? How do we balance privacy and public safety with regards to mental health?

How about when someone has 39 calls to the sheriff's dept, people trying to alert the FBI, the dude flat out telling people he wants to be a school shooter, the authorities don't ignore it? And when there is an active shooter situation, the cops run in to stop it instead of waiting outside with their dicks up each others' asses?

It's amazing that that whole fiasco is being swept under the carpet because OMG GUNZ R BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and all sorts of retards playing right along with it.

[Parkbandit]

How about when someone has 39 calls to the sheriff's dept, people trying to alert the FBI, the dude flat out telling people he wants to be a school shooter, the authorities don't ignore it? And when there is an active shooter situation, the cops run in to stop it instead of waiting outside with their dicks up each others' asses?

It's amazing that that whole fiasco is being swept under the carpet because OMG GUNZ R BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and all sorts of retards playing right along with it.

Amazing that when the government literally drops the ball, the liberals cry out for MORE government regulation to "fix" it.

If I were one of those parents, I would sue the county for negligence.

[Methais]

Amazing that when the government literally drops the ball, the liberals cry out for MORE government regulation to "fix" it.

If I were one of those parents, I would sue the county for negligence.

They really should and I hope they do. The sheriff should be investigated as well.

[drauz]

Amazing that when the government literally drops the ball, the liberals cry out for MORE government regulation to "fix" it.

If I were one of those parents, I would sue the county for negligence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

Pretty sure they would lose, if you mean to the sue the sheriff's dept. for inactivity.

[cwolff]

I think it is a great fucking idea. We had to wear clear and net backpacks after Columbine. We also had to wear ID cards and lanyards. I lived through it, I didn't feel like there were any violations against my rights. Stop being willfully fucking stupid.

Originally the ID cards also had your grade on them too, but they took them off when people got made fun of for being grade 10.5. That is what your ID would say, based on your arguments here. You have the intellect of a grade 10.5.

Why do you keep making this personal?

[Back]

It's very possible that if we had done something meaningful after Columbine, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook, or Vegas, or any other major public massacre the Florida shooting wouldn't have happened and those 17 young people would still be able to live out the rest of their lives.

[cwolff]

It's very possible that if we had done something meaningful after Columbine, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook, or Vegas, or any other major public massacre the Florida shooting wouldn't have happened and those 17 young people would still be able to live out the rest of their lives.

We can't do anything. The culture wars are too hot for reason or empathy. One week ago GOP reps in Colorado voted in a straight party line vote to keep bump stocks legal here. They're protecting bump stocks. That IMO is nuts.

[Wrathbringer]

It's very possible that if we had done something meaningful after Columbine, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook, or Vegas, or any other major public massacre the Florida shooting wouldn't have happened and those 17 young people would still be able to live out the rest of their lives.

Not possible. You're dreaming.

[Gelston]

Why do you keep making this personal?

It isn't personal. You are saying stupid shit.

[Wrathbringer]

It isn't personal. You are saying stupid shit.

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

It's very possible that if we had done something meaningful after Columbine, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook, or Vegas, or any other major public massacre the Florida shooting wouldn't have happened and those 17 young people would still be able to live out the rest of their lives.

Like what? Like what exactly would Backlash do that would have prevented the Florida shooting after Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook or Vegas? Be specific Backlash.. just don't say "Something, anything" like you usually do.

I have an idea: If the dozen or so reports to the police department from different people, INCLUDING THE FUCKING SHOOTER HIMSELF, were actually acted upon... maybe that Florida shooting wouldn't have happened.

This isn't about gun violence. This isn't about schools being a soft target. This isn't a 2nd amendment rights deal. This is about our government completely FAILING to do the job they were supposed to do.

If, as citizens, we did our part of "See Something, Say Something" and specifically identified this kid as a threat... and even the kid himself called, saying he was a threat, this was nothing but a complete failure on our government's part.

Anything other than this is nothing but a smokescreen and another example of people in politics using a wedge issue to drive people apart.

[Methais]

It's very possible that if we had done something meaningful after Columbine, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook, or Vegas, or any other major public massacre the Florida shooting wouldn't have happened and those 17 young people would still be able to live out the rest of their lives.

This was already the most easily preventable mass shooting of all time and the cops and FBI allowed this to happen by doing nothing when there were a million red flags.

What’s your opinion on how the authorities handled all those red flags, including standing outside doing nothing like fat vaginaheads while people are getting murdered inside?

What are your thoughts about those things?

[Latrinsorm]

You said ban AR-15s.I said doing so wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights.
Capacity =/= banning weapons.No one anywhere has ever disputed this. I also said that banning certain magazines wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights, because I said doing a lot of things wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights, because there are lots of versions of Constitutional gun control. Anyone whose go-to response to gun control legislation is to shriek about the Second Amendment is wasting your time.
Like I said AR-15s are just a style. Think of it like someone being emo, they dress the part and wear some eyeshadow but they are still human underneath. That is why I said to focus on magazine capacity.What you said was that people were trying to take something out of the Bill of Rights, that's all I've been talking about. I really have no idea why you're harping on a point on which nobody has disagreed.
Who is talking about unlimited firearms? I'll probably never own more than 4. Pistol, shotgun, AR, and a bolt action. I have already put forward a gun regulation. The problem is that it wouldn't actually help what you want it to help. So when the next one happens you will want to go further, and when the next one happens after that you'll go even further. Until we are talking about banning guns all together.And if enough people agree, that will be Constitutional too. That's how this works. Government of the people, by the people, for the people.
What about regulating that evil and dangerous Free Speech? I mean really, how many people have been radicalized by dangerous words and rhetoric that they didn't really understand? How many people have died because we let people say what they want?We already have regulations on free speech that everyone agrees with; for example, you don't think people should be allowed to shout fire in a crowded theater.
One of the few countries that haven't been ruled by a dictator or invaded as well.The United States has been successfully invaded during three distinct conflicts.

[Latrinsorm]

Your general run of the mill murder you mean?

For some reason you think it's the gun that's doing it and that is retarded. These kids think the guns are sexy so they shoot up schools. It has nothing to do with their mental state, it's that they fetishize guns!

This is precisely why people say its a mental health issue and not a guns issue, because it is.Let us consider the OECD countries' rates of gun ownership (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country), schizophrenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_schizophrenia), and gun death (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate).

https://imgur.com/ga5HWYR.png

https://imgur.com/K4FuElH.png

[cwolff]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/27/gun-debate-culture-war-young-people-will-win?CMP=fb_gu


Just 3% of Americans own half of the guns in America. And that 3% isn’t just anyone. According to a Harvard study flagged by Scientific American this month, the person most likely to stockpile guns in this country is an older, white man from a rural conservative area. And an alarming body of research shows that they’re motivated by racial anxiety and a fear of emasculation.

This is what you're up against. Guns are now part and parcel of the culture wars. They're more fetish token than useful tool around the homestead. The NRA overplayed their hand and it's coming back to bite them.

I also will no longer tell you that, "No one wants to take away your guns!"


Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens is calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment to allow for significant gun control legislation. The 97-year-old Stevens wrote in an op-ed for The New York Times on Tuesday suggesting a repeal would weaken the National Rifle Association's ability to "block constructive gun control legislation" and be a more "effective and more lasting reform."

[drauz]

Let us consider the OECD countries' rates of gun ownership (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country), schizophrenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_schizophrenia), and gun death (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate).

https://imgur.com/ga5HWYR.png

https://imgur.com/K4FuElH.png

I'm confused, are you suggesting that these people are of sound mind?

[drauz]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/27/gun-debate-culture-war-young-people-will-win?CMP=fb_gu



This is what you're up against. Guns are now part and parcel of the culture wars. They're more fetish token than useful tool around the homestead. The NRA overplayed their hand and it's coming back to bite them.

I also will no longer tell you that, "No one wants to take away your guns!"

Glad hes off the bench then.

[~Rocktar~]

I also said that banning certain magazines wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights, because I said doing a lot of things wouldn't touch the Bill of Rights, because there are lots of versions of Constitutional gun control.

You are simply wrong and before you come back with the tired old part about being voted on or passed by the Supreme Court keep this in mind. Slavery and segregation among many other atrocities were voted on and passed the Supreme Court. Being voted on or passing a court decision does not mean that they are right or moral.


We already have regulations on free speech that everyone agrees with; for example, you don't think people should be allowed to shout fire in a crowded theater.

You are so wrong it hurts. The government does not ban you from saying this. It does provide penalties for doing so frivolously. Nice try.

And yes, you need 2/3 of the states to agree to a constitutional amendment. Do you think that will fly?

Why are you so supportive of giving up our Rights? Why do you want to enslave and kill millions? Why are you so against a weapon that is less dangerous than fists, motor vehicles, and hammers?

Why are you so egotistical, arrogant and elitist to think that law abiding citizens should not own something that is less dangerous than fists, motor vehicles and hammers?

Why do you and others think that you know better than the founding principles that have proven for over 200 years to serve us better than any other form of founding principles yet in existence?

[Latrinsorm]

I'm confused, are you suggesting that these people are of sound mind?I'm noting the following facts in the context of developed countries:
-America's rate of mental illness is about average.
-America's rate of gun ownership is well above average.
-America's rate of gun death is well above average.
-In general, gun ownership is much better correlated than mental illness is to gun deaths.

You want to know which is a symptom and which is the cause, here is your answer.

I don't know if these people were or weren't of sound mind, but I know for certain what weapon they used.

[Latrinsorm]

You are simply wrong and before you come back with the tired old part about being voted on or passed by the Supreme Court keep this in mind. Slavery and segregation among many other atrocities were voted on and passed the Supreme Court. Being voted on or passing a court decision does not mean that they are right or moral.Nobody said right or moral. We're talking about what's Constitutional. That's why we're talking about the Supreme Court. When you have grasped this distinction, let me know, and we can consider your other questions.

[~Rocktar~]

So basically you are tap dancing around the hard questions as to why you are a gun banner and want to see people hurt and/or killed because of your emotions.

[Neveragain]

Just 3% of Americans own half of the guns in America. And that 3% isn’t just anyone. According to a Harvard study flagged by Scientific American this month, the person most likely to stockpile guns in this country is an older, white man from a rural conservative area. And an alarming body of research shows that they’re motivated by racial anxiety and a fear of emasculation.

Who owns the other 150,000,000 guns? Young black men from the liberal inner cities?

[cwolff]

Who owns the other 150,000,000 guns? Young black men from the liberal inner cities?

I see your snark but will respond anyway. I don't know who owns the other 150,000 guns. Probably people like me who only own one or two.

[tyrant-201]

No one should own guns. Ever. The government should have all the guns.

[Neveragain]

I see your snark but will respond anyway. I don't know who owns the other 150,000 guns. Probably people like me who only own one or two.

Did you know that you're an illegal gun owner?

[cwolff]

Did you know that you're an illegal gun owner?

[sighs] am I an illegal gun owner? Please do tell.

[Neveragain]

[sighs] am I an illegal gun owner? Please do tell.

You smoke grass?

[cwolff]

You smoke grass?

no

[Neveragain]

no

you were just talking about it the other day

[cwolff]

you were just talking about it the other day

yes. But I don't smoke it. I would if I could but I can't.

[Neveragain]

:nods slowly:

[Latrinsorm]

So basically you are tap dancing around the hard questions as to why you are a gun banner and want to see people hurt and/or killed because of your emotions.Still didn't get it, huh? At least you helped demonstrate my prior claim: "Anyone whose go-to response to gun control legislation is to shriek about the Second Amendment is wasting your time."

[drauz]

-In general, gun ownership is much better correlated than schizophrenia is to gun deaths.

You want to know which is a symptom and which is the cause, here is your answer.

I don't know if these people were or weren't of sound mind, but I know for certain what weapon they used.

There are other mental illnesses right?

[cwolff]

:nods slowly:

Am I legal now?

[Latrinsorm]

There are other mental illnesses right?There's depression (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/07/a-stunning-map-of-depression-rates-around-the-world/?utm_term=.5253c3f1425c), where we're below average, so I'll skip the regression there. We are above average (https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/15/anxiety-rich-country-poor-country/) in anxiety, but the correlation there is even worse than schizophrenia's already tenuous connection:

https://imgur.com/QRGDtkq.png

I don't know brother, the data paints a pretty clear picture.

[cwolff]

There's depression (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/07/a-stunning-map-of-depression-rates-around-the-world/?utm_term=.5253c3f1425c), where we're below average, so I'll skip the regression there. We are above average (https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/15/anxiety-rich-country-poor-country/) in anxiety, but the correlation there is even worse than schizophrenia's already tenuous connection:

https://imgur.com/QRGDtkq.png

I don't know brother, the data paints a pretty clear picture.

I wonder how that relates to this: "States that had above-average unemployment and gun ownership rates, along with greater than average alcohol consumption and larger student-age populations, had greater number of school shooting victims," he writes.

[Parkbandit]

No one should own guns. Ever. The government should have all the guns.

Can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic or just stupid.

If just stupid, nice avatar.

[tyrant-201]

Can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic or just stupid.

If just stupid, nice avatar.

You of all people should never own guns. Ever. You can't even handle reputation properly.

[Neveragain]

There are other mental illnesses right?

No, just schizophrenia and it's caused by injecting thc.

[Methais]

No one should own guns. Ever. The government should have all the guns.

So you want Trump to confiscate your guns even though he’s the most super duper most evilestest literally Hitler dictator ever so he can take over the world and have all non-white people executed, which every cop ever will undoubtedly take great delight in, that much easier?

[Neveragain]

Am I legal now?

No.

[Parkbandit]

You of all people should never own guns. Ever. You can't even handle reputation properly.

Sorry kid, I've owned guns since I was 16.

Also, I already knew you were just stupid.. I was just giving you an out.

PS - Sorry about making you so upset this morning. (This is real sarcasm)

[cwolff]

Immigrants who accept almost any form of welfare or public benefit, even popular tax deductions, could be denied legal U.S. residency under a proposal awaiting approval by the Trump administration, which is seeking to reduce the number of foreigners living in the United States.

Current rules penalize immigrants who receive cash welfare payments, considering them a “public charge.” But the proposed changes from the Department of Homeland Security would widen the government’s definition of benefits to include the widely used Earned Income Tax Credit as well as health insurance subsidies and other “non-cash public benefits.”

The changes would apply to those seeking immigration visas, or legal permanent residency, such as a foreigner with an expiring work visa. While it would make little difference to those living illegally in the shadows, it could affect immigrants protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program — whose termination has been blocked by federal courts — if they attempt to file for full legal residency.

What in the holy hell. The culture wars have been heating up bad lately. Talking heads admitting that we need to keep out foreigners because they change the culture, others claiming devotion to trump because he protects the culture, we have adults posting anti-bullying videos of a black kid beating a white kid (natch), same adults posting memes making fun of the physical appearance of the parkland kids and continuous attacks on immigration (legal or not). My hope is that one of the finally goes too far, starts dropping N-Bombs all over CNN and we'll finally lift the veil on all the codeword dog whistling.

[Latrinsorm]

Alien and Sedition Acts, Know Nothings, Lodge, Reagan... now we're here again, led by a German with a Slavic wife. And 50/60 years from now it'll happen again, as impotently as ever. Some people just never learn.

[cwolff]

(CNN) A resolution condemning neo-Nazis and white nationalists died once again in the Tennessee legislature this week, the second time such a bill failed to pass the state house in the past few weeks.

The resolution would have had the state legislature "strongly denounce and oppose the totalitarian impulses, violent terrorism, xenophobic biases, and bigoted ideologies that are promoted by white nationalists and neo-Nazis," according to the bill's text.

But its author, House Republican Caucus chair Ryan Williams, withdrew it from consideration after receiving feedback from Republican lawmakers.

This should be a no brainer.

[Jeril]

This should be a no brainer.

It should be such a no brainer that making a resolution for it is a waste of time and money. Seems like those clowns have too much free time on their hands.

[cwolff]

It should be such a no brainer that making a resolution for it is a waste of time and money. Seems like those clowns have too much free time on their hands.

Sure. Its not out of the ordinary for politicians to make meaningless statements, fake holidays and other fluff. It is out of the ordinary that they would clamp down in something like this and that's got nothing to do with efficient governing

[cwolff]

Tennessee legislature can't denounce Nazis, but they can get behind this:


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A resolution that would change the Tennessee Constitution to say that God is the source of liberty for the state's citizens is gaining momentum.
The House passed the measure last year and it will go before a full Senate vote after clearing a judiciary committee this week.
One of the main sponsors of the House joint resolution is Rep. Micah Van Huss, a Republican from Jonesborough.
Van Huss is proposing that the state constitution say, "We recognize that our liberties do not come from governments, but from Almighty God."

This dovetails nicely with the new study about Christian Americans

[Methais]

Tennessee legislature can't denounce Nazis, but they can get behind this:



This dovetails nicely with the new study about Christian Americans

What are you going to do about it?

[Latrinsorm]

What are you going to do about it?Judging from the thread title, frown (political version).

[Methais]

Judging from the thread title, frown (political version).

But according to the thread title, he already frowned before making the post. I was asking what he's going to do about it after. Which I suppose just sitting there continuing to frown would be an option, which is why I'm seeking clarification.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/65199031/wrong-sir-wrong.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Watching Zuckerberg in Congress made me realize how utterly out of touch and stupid most of our Representatives are.

[Methais]

Watching Zuckerberg in Congress made me realize how utterly out of touch and stupid most of our Representatives are.

Highlights? I'm too lazy to go watch through all that garbage.

[Parkbandit]

Highlights? I'm too lazy to go watch through all that garbage.


"Is Twitter the same as what you do?" -Lindsey Graham (R)

"If I'm emailing within WhatsApp...does that inform your advertisers?" - Brian Schatz (D)

"How do you sustain a business model in which users don't pay for your service?" - Warren Hatch (R)

"What was Facemash and is it still up and running?" - Bill Long (R)

"My son is dedicated to Instagram so he'd want to be sure I mentioned him while I was here with you." -Roy Blunt (R)

[Methais]

"Is Twitter the same as what you do?" -Lindsey Graham (R)

"If I'm emailing within WhatsApp...does that inform your advertisers?" - Brian Schatz (D)

"How do you sustain a business model in which users don't pay for your service?" - Warren Hatch (R)

"What was Facemash and is it still up and running?" - Bill Long (R)

"My son is dedicated to Instagram so he'd want to be sure I mentioned him while I was here with you." -Roy Blunt (R)

https://media.giphy.com/media/HwmB7t7krGnao/giphy.gif

[Latrinsorm]

Warren Hatch, huh?

[cwolff]

@leonidragozin
Yekaterinburg journalist Maxim Borodin died after falling out of the window of his flat. He was among those who broke the story about Wagner contractors from Asbest who died in Syria. He was previously attacked in connection with protests against Matilda, the controversial film.

SMH

[drauz]

Are these stats correct?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4Vlgr2iHs

[~Rocktar~]

Are these stats correct?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4Vlgr2iHs

They share all their sources in the info on the video with links. Decide for yourself. They did the same for gun control and some other things. Amazing what happens when people find out the truth without all the news hype and bias.

And the wall is cheap at twice the price.

Build the wall.

[Parkbandit]

Are these stats correct?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4Vlgr2iHs

I'm sure they are inflated to make their political point.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm sure they are inflated to make their political point.

I am sure that since the costs are still significant regardless of the exact numbers that continuing to allow such lawlessness is an unnecessary expense and burden on the American taxpayers. Despite the fact that the cost of enforcement of the law would be significant I believe that it would less in the long run than continuing to support criminals.

[Parkbandit]

I am sure that since the costs are still significant regardless of the exact numbers that continuing to allow such lawlessness is an unnecessary expense and burden on the American taxpayers. Despite the fact that the cost of enforcement of the law would be significant I believe that it would less in the long run than continuing to support criminals.

I don't disagree. At all. I'm all for the wall and enforcing the laws of the country.

But, the video is trying to make a point.. and usually, they will take the statistics that best suits that end goal.

[Some Rogue]

Trump political consigliere Roger Stone unloaded on Barbara Bush in an Instagram post on Tuesday evening just hours after her death. There, Stone wrote that the former first lady was a “nasty drunk” and posted a quote from him suggesting that if you lit her body on fire it would “burn for three days.”

“Barbara Bush was a nasty drunk. When it came to drinking she made Betty Ford look like Carrie Nation #blottoBabs,” said Stone. “Barbara Bush drank so much booze, if they cremated her … her body would burn for three days.”

Classy dude. Only the best people....

[cwolff]

Trump political consigliere Roger Stone unloaded on Barbara Bush in an Instagram post on Tuesday evening just hours after her death. There, Stone wrote that the former first lady was a “nasty drunk” and posted a quote from him suggesting that if you lit her body on fire it would “burn for three days.”

“Barbara Bush was a nasty drunk. When it came to drinking she made Betty Ford look like Carrie Nation #blottoBabs,” said Stone. “Barbara Bush drank so much booze, if they cremated her … her body would burn for three days.”

Classy dude. Only the best people....

Jesus Christ! Is this for real?

[Methais]

Jesus Christ! Is this for real?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/5WXqTFTgO9a7e/200.gif

[RichardCranium]

Jesus Christ! Is this for real?

Poor Barb is getting it from both sides.

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article209197719.html


A Fresno State professor called former first lady Barbara Bush an “amazing racist” who raised a “war criminal,” and expressed no concern that she could be fired or reprimanded for her outspokenness on social media.

Randa Jarrar, a professor in Fresno State’s Department of English, expressed her displeasure with the Bush family within an hour after the official announcement that Mrs. Bush died Tuesday at the age of 92.

“Barbara Bush was a generous and smart and amazing racist who, along with her husband, raised a war criminal,” Jarrar wrote on Twitter. “(F) outta here with your nice words.”

Barbara Bush was a generous and smart and amazing racist who, along with her husband, raised a war criminal. Fuck outta here with your nice words.

— Randa Jarrar (@randajarrar) April 18, 2018


Jarrar’s tweet generated more than 2,000 replies back to her, with many upset at her and tagging Fresno State and University President Joseph Castro in their comments.

Jarrar, who in her Twitter messages describes herself as an Arab-American and a Muslim-American woman, goes on to maintain that she is a tenured professor and makes $100,000 a year.

“I will never be fired,” Jarrar tweeted.

In a separate tweet, she wrote: “If you'd like to know what it's like to be an Arab American Muslim American woman with some clout online expressing an opinion, look at the racists going crazy in my mentions right now.”

Jarrar even encouraged those of Twitter to reach out to Fresno State and to Castro, offering up their twitter handles.

“What I love about being an American professor is my right to free speech, and what I love about Fresno State is that I always feel protected and at home here,” Jarrar wrote. “GO BULLDOGS!”

LOL! Let me help you. You should tag my president @JosephICastro. What I love about being an American professor is my right to free speech, and what I love about Fresno State is that I always feel protected and at home here. GO BULLDOGS!

— Randa Jarrar (@randajarrar) April 18, 2018


Fresno State, roughly three hours after Jarrar’s initial tweet about Bush, sent out a statement by Castro that addressed the outspoken professor.

“On behalf of Fresno State, I extend my deepest condolences to the Bush family on the loss of our former First Lady, Barbara Bush,” Castro says in the statement. “We share the deep concerns expressed by others over the personal comments made today by professor Randa Jarrar, a professor in the English Department at Fresno State.

“Her statements were made as a private citizen, not as a representative at Fresno State.”

Castro also added: “Professor Jarrar’s expressed personal views and commentary are obviously contrary to the core values of our University, which include respect and empathy for individuals with divergent points of view, and a sincere commitment to mutual understanding and progress."

[Taernath]

Poor Barb is getting it from both sides.

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article209197719.html

Found time4fun's twitter account.

[Parkbandit]

Found time4fun's twitter account.

lol

[Methais]

Found time4fun's twitter account.

This is almost exactly how I picture time4fun irl, but with blue hair and probably some heinous looking glasses. Especially after she said on LNet that she could out-cardio everyone.

Which is probably her having Caramia syndrome.

https://i.imgur.com/hAKsCBu.png

[Wrathbringer]

This is almost exactly how I picture time4fun irl, but with blue hair or whatever. Especially after she said on LNet that she could out-cardio everyone.

I thought the same thing. It probably is her. I mean she's ugly, hates conservatives, bragged about making 100k a year and was very cunty about not being able to be fired. Sounds like her to me.

[time4fun]

Oh that's just sad.

[Wrathbringer]

Oh that's just sad.

Care to tell us why you posted those horrible things about the Bush's while you're here?

[Methais]

Care to tell us why you posted those horrible things about the Bush's while you're here?

Yes, that was some pretty mean stuff. What a meanie head. We need a forum where we can feel safe.

[Parkbandit]

Oh that's just sad.

I agree.

If only you could change your personality.

Oh well.

[Fortybox]

I thought the same thing. It probably is her. I mean she's ugly, hates conservatives, bragged about making 100k a year and was very cunty about not being able to be fired. Sounds like her to me.

100k a year in the Bay Area is like...nothing.

[Candor]

100k a year in the Bay Area is like...nothing.

Unfortunately this is true. My understanding is that the average Apple engineer in the huge new Apple Park building in Cupertino makes around 190K/year. Nearby homes tend to start at around $1.6M - over $2M is common. Do the math and you'll see that even working at Apple doesn't mean you can afford a home in the surrounding area.