Trump Attacks Mika Brzezinski

[ClydeR]

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Trump made the two tweets shortly after the Morning Joe program ended today.

[ClydeR]

A discussion this morning on Morning Joe about people being mean on Twitter appears to be what prompted Trump's tweets..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu2rfK3GEmo&t=78

[cwolff]

...Trump regaled his Warwick, Rhode Island, audience with a reference to his morning Twitter activities.
"You know, I tweeted today, @realDonaldTrump. I tweet," Trump said.
He added, "Don’t worry, I’ll give it up after I’m president. We won’t tweet anymore. I don’t know. Not presidential.”

He's such a cunt. I don't know what's worse. Trump, or the people who support him.

[SexualPredator]

He's such a cunt. I don't know what's worse. Trump, or the people who support him.

lol you lost get over it.

[Mogonis]

lol you lost get over it.
I dunno. With Trump, we've all lost. What has he done for you?

[SexualPredator]

I dunno no. With Trump, we've all lost. What had he done for you?

hahaha waaaah waaah the country soundly rejected my view of things and I can't stand it! Toughen up, snowflake. lol

[Mogonis]

hahaha waaaah waaah the country soundly rejected my view of things and I can't stand it! Toughen up, snowflake. lol
This makes no sense as a response to my question.

[SexualPredator]

This makes no sense as a response to my question.

Your tears are awesome. Please, keep posting.

[Mogonis]

Your tears are awesome. Please, keep posting.
Huh? I'm not crying. Please, keep avoiding the question I guess. I didn't vote for Hillary either. Genuinely curious what you think Trump has done for you since you think you've won because your candidate won.

[Shaps]

Huh? I'm not crying. Please, keep avoiding the question I guess. I didn't vote for Hillary either. Genuinely curious what you think Trump has done for you since you think you've won because your candidate won.

Illegal immigration / illegal border crossings are down like 50+%. There's one thing he's done for ALL OF US. He's your President as well.

Just listing one as have to go to work...

But yea.. Trump needs to stop fucking tweeting. He's rubbed it in for 6 months.. just fucking stop already and just focus on the work. He needs to let surrogates be his advocate more.

[NSA]

The fact he is there and not Hillary Clinton is a big plus for me.

[hello]

Illegal immigration / illegal border crossings are down like 50+%. There's one thing he's done for ALL OF US. He's your President as well.

Just listing one as have to go to work...

But yea.. Trump needs to stop fucking tweeting. He's rubbed it in for 6 months.. just fucking stop already and just focus on the work. He needs to let surrogates be his advocate more.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with him. His 100 odd days in office had no immigration policy pass except his executive order which hasn't even been in force. Immigration is down because countries south of the border have been doing much better economically in the past decade vis-a-vis the US.

[jhynnifer2]

Stay Classy, Trump.

[cwolff]

Stay Classy, Trump.

You know what would help Trump? A job. If he had a job to do, he'd find that he stays busy and keeps his mind engaged and it would keep him off the internet/tv.

[jhynnifer2]

You know what would help Trump? A job. If he had a job to do, he'd find that he stays busy and keeps his mind engaged and it would keep him off the internet/tv.

lolololololol

I honestly don't think his ego would allow him to not "take action" against anyone who says something unflattering about him.

[Back]

This man is not fit for the office he holds.

[Parkbandit]

This man is not fit for the office he holds.

Why? Because he outted a facelift someone got?

Toughen up Cupcake.

[Back]

Why? Because he outted a facelift someone got?

Toughen up Cupcake.

Yep. He is the President of the United States. You really think that's how our president should comport himself? You know who needs to "toughen up, cupcake?" Trump.

Apologize for him all you want. From you it makes no difference in the world.

[Parkbandit]

Yep. He is the President of the United States. You really think that's how our president should comport himself? You know who needs to "toughen up, cupcake?" Trump.

Apologize for him all you want. From you it makes no difference in the world.

I'm not apologizing for him at all... stating fact.

Sending out a tweet about someone's facelift does not make one "unfit" for being President.

Grow up, Peter Pan.

[hello]

I'm not apologizing for him at all... stating fact.

Sending out a tweet about someone's facelift does not make one "unfit" for being President.

Grow up, Peter Pan.

yeah it does, it's all a fucking joke now. Congress, the Presidency, Lord Commander who gives a shit... maybe this was Russia's ultimate plan all along; see how your form of government can produce such a joke?! See that Europe?!

Unfortunately, Europe does see it and they are beginning to wonder... :(

[BriarFox]

I'm not apologizing for him at all... stating fact.

Sending out a tweet about someone's facelift does not make one "unfit" for being President.

Grow up, Peter Pan.

It does, actually, since it illustrates that he'd rather engage in petty, personal, ad-hominem attacks than take up the real responsibilities of the President of the United States. As with nearly everything he does, it simply proves his poor judgment.

[Wrathbringer]

It does, actually, since it illustrates that he'd rather engage in petty, personal, ad-hominem attacks than take up the real responsibilities of the President of the United States. As with nearly everything he does, it simply proves his poor judgment.

Waaaaah Hillary lost! Waaaah Your tears are STILL delicious.

[BriarFox]

Waaaaah Hillary lost! Waaaah Your tears are STILL delicious.

Seriously? You're like a monkey eating poo on the playground, pooing it out, and eating it again.

[Wrathbringer]

Seriously? You're like a monkey eating poo on the playground, pooing it out, and eating it again.

That's just disgusting. You're clearly unfit for whatever office you hold.

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[Back]

Wraithbringer is just a troll account. Never mind it. Back him into a corner with a legitimate question and he sharts himself.

[Wrathbringer]

I just shit myself again.

Great, Back. Great.

[Mogonis]

It's baffling that non-rich people have unwavering support for a GOP that only caters to rich people.

[Parkbandit]

It does, actually, since it illustrates that he'd rather engage in petty, personal, ad-hominem attacks than take up the real responsibilities of the President of the United States. As with nearly everything he does, it simply proves his poor judgment.

It doesn't, actually. You don't like him.. we get that. We've gotten it since the election started. Message received: BriarFox is a diehard Liberal and anyone who doesn't fit into that mold is "unfit" to be his President.

The Constitution of the United States gives clear guidelines of what it takes to be President of the United States. No where in that document does it say if you make fun of some woman having a facelift does that make you unfit for President.


Seriously? You're like a monkey eating poo on the playground, pooing it out, and eating it again.

To be fair.. isn't that what we all do here?

[Parkbandit]

It's baffling that non-rich people have unwavering support for a GOP that only caters to rich people.

How did all the poor people fair with 8 years of Obama again?

Stop being willfully ignorant.

[Neveragain]

It's baffling that non-rich people have unwavering support for a GOP that only caters to rich people.

LOL, Nancy Pelosi alone made nearly 60 million between 2008 and 2016, amazing how lawmakers can double their wealth during one of the worst financial crisis in almost 100 years. Do we seriously need to rehash how devastating Democrat policies have been for the poor and lower middle class?

[Whirlin]

LOL, Nancy Pelosi alone made nearly 60 million between 2008 and 2016, amazing how lawmakers can double their wealth during one of the worst financial crisis in almost 100 years. Do we seriously need to rehash how devastating Democrat policies have been for the poor and lower middle class?
Damn... she's much better at it than the republicans.. Mitch McConnell only got 251k to sell out American's privacy and enable ISP to sell our browsing history

[hello]

LOL, Nancy Pelosi alone made nearly 60 million between 2008 and 2016, amazing how lawmakers can double their wealth during one of the worst financial crisis in almost 100 years. Do we seriously need to rehash how devastating Democrat policies have been for the poor and lower middle class?

This is true; but what can we do? You know Trumps a Wall Street stooge (heck this whole thing was probably concoted by them; wouldn't surprise me one bit.) So what can the little guy do? Just take it I guess.

[Parkbandit]

Damn... she's much better at it than the republicans.. Mitch McConnell only got 251k to sell out American's privacy and enable ISP to sell our browsing history

Yea.. that whole "ZOMG REPUBLICANS R 4 TEH RICH!" is hilarious coming from Democrats like Hillary Clinton.. who took in more money from Wall Street than any other candidate in history.

[Vorpos]

It's baffling that non-rich people have unwavering support for a GOP that only caters to rich people.

You won't have to worry about the GOP for much longer. Trump will erase both parties and make himself dictator. Just imagine how well-armed his supporters are after all those guns sold under Obama.

[Neveragain]

Damn... she's much better at it than the republicans.. Mitch McConnell only got 251k to sell out American's privacy and enable ISP to sell our browsing history

I don't think I would argue that Mitch is just as much a POS as Nancy.

Of course this is why I want to take power away from the Federal government instead of putting them in control of everyone's healthcare.

[Neveragain]

This is true; but what can we do? You know Trumps a Wall Street stooge (heck this whole thing was probably concoted by them; wouldn't surprise me one bit.) So what can the little guy do? Just take it I guess.

You could start by declaring exempt on your W-2.

[Parkbandit]

This is true; but what can we do? You know Trumps a Wall Street stooge (heck this whole thing was probably concoted by them; wouldn't surprise me one bit.) So what can the little guy do? Just take it I guess.

He's probably the least Wall Street "stooge" President we have had since Kennedy. He's not beholden to anyone since he already has money.

[Parkbandit]

You won't have to worry about the GOP for much longer. Trump will erase both parties and make himself dictator. Just imagine how well-armed his supporters are after all those guns sold under Obama.

LOL.

[Parkbandit]

This is true; but what can we do? You know Trumps a Wall Street stooge (heck this whole thing was probably concoted by them; wouldn't surprise me one bit.) So what can the little guy do? Just take it I guess.


Tell us, precisely, how you personally have been impacted by the Trump administration.

Now how you feel.. or how you think it will be.. specific hardships you have had to endure for the past 5 months.

[hello]

Tell us, precisely, how you personally have been impacted by the Trump administration.

Now how you feel.. or how you think it will be.. specific hardships you have had to endure for the past 5 months.

Nothing. No change. Which is what's terrible about Trump. Even this new healthcare bill is looking like it's dead now. He hasn't done shit apart from wasting time on twitter (much like what we all do here.)

[Mogonis]

How did all the poor people fair with 8 years of Obama again?

Stop being willfully ignorant.
Why don't you tell me? See that white space between your question and insult? Good place for it.

[cwolff]

This is what Joe and Mike are saying today in the WaPo.


“This year, top White House staff members warned that the National Enquirer was planning to publish a negative article about us unless we begged the president to have the story spiked,” Brzezinski and Scarborough wrote in The Washington Post. “We ignored their desperate pleas.”

On their MSNBC show, Brzezinski and Scarborough elaborated.

SCARBOROUGH: They said if you call the president up and you apologize for your coverage, then he will pick up the phone and basically spike the story. I had, I will just say, three people at the very top of the administration calling me. And the response was like, “Are you kidding me? I don't know what they have. Run a story. I'm not going to do it.”
The calls kept coming and kept coming, and they were like, “Call. You need to call. Please call. Come on, Joe, just pick up the phone and call him.”

BRZEZINSKI: And let me explain what they were threatening. They were calling my children. They were calling close friends of mine.

SCARBOROUGH: You're talking about the National Enquirer, yeah.

BRZEZINSKI: And they were pinning the story on my ex-husband, who would absolutely never do that, so I knew immediately it was a lie and that they had nothing. And these calls persisted for some time, and then Joe had the conversations he had with the White House, where they said, “Oh, this could go away.”

[Parkbandit]

Why don't you tell me? See that white space between your question and insult? Good place for it.

That wasn't an insult.. more of an observation.

You are spoon fed "ZOMG GOP LOVES RICH PEOPLE AND DEMS LOVE ALL PEOPLE!" and you swallow it all down.. even though it has zero basis in reality.

But you are so willfully ignorant that you not only actually believe it... you start regurgitating it.

You're being a tool.

Break the cycle.

[cwolff]

...and their twitter back and forth.

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We must be exceedingly vulnerable right now as a nation. The President spends his days watching TV and having twitter fights, high level government positions are unfilled, his Sec State is freaking out and the whole world can see how distracted this piece of shit is.

[hello]

...and their twitter back and forth.

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We must be exceedingly vulnerable right now as a nation. The President spends his days watching TV and having twitter fights, high level government positions are unfilled, his Sec State is freaking out and the whole world can see how distracted this piece of shit is.

SecState Tillerson was going off on kushner and Trump aides... he's just probably pissed he's trying to hold up all of US foreign policy on his shoulders.

[Mogonis]

That wasn't an insult.. more of an observation.

You are spoon fed "ZOMG GOP LOVES RICH PEOPLE AND DEMS LOVE ALL PEOPLE!" and you swallow it all down.. even though it has zero basis in reality.

But you are so willfully ignorant that you not only actually believe it... you start regurgitating it.

You're being a tool.

Break the cycle.
You're assuming a lot about me. You're stuck in a cycle of belittling and insulting people who don't side with you. Again, I did not vote for Hillary. I didn't want either candidate to win. I get my news from various sources, and none are Fox News. Every president has a large portion of the country against them. But this year, it's not just this country. It is almost every other country as well. I respect your right to support Trump, but instead of making civilized arguments, you just mock everyone you don't agree with. That sounds like Trump, doesn't it.

[cwolff]

SecState Tillerson was going off on kushner and Trump aides... he's just probably pissed he's trying to hold up all of US foreign policy on his shoulders.

For real! He went from running Exxon Mobil, which is basically a corporate nation state, to getting hamstrung by a mid thirties "kid" who happens to be married to the presidents daughter. I bet he's regretting this move.

[Wrathbringer]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! WWAAAAAAAAH! I lost and I can't get over it! WAAAAAH.

You lost, get over it. Time to move on.

[Savageheart]

Unfortunately this isn't a new behavior, even with many GOP members saying something to the effect of "This is not normal" "This is undignified" twitter will not be the ship that sinks Trump.

Many of his baseline supporters need to feverishly hold onto the world view that Trump is exactly what we need, right when we need it the most.

Humans are pack animals, and there cult of personality surrounding Trump in the 'us' and 'not us' is highly volatile, but for that matter so are many Bernie supporters or ANTIFA folks.

Fringes exist outside of the middle for a reason and fringes are exceptionally insular because of their distance from the norm.

Nixon's supporters were fervently in his corner even after he left office with the shroud of guilt hanging over him. I don't necessarily even think Nixon is the greatest example but it is the most recent. At least Nixon created the EPA.

[Parkbandit]

You're assuming a lot about me. You're stuck in a cycle of belittling and insulting people who don't side with you. Again, I did not vote for Hillary. I didn't want either candidate to win. I get my news from various sources, and none are Fox News. Every president has a large portion of the country against them. But this year, it's not just this country. It is almost every other country as well. I respect your right to support Trump, but instead of making civilized arguments, you just mock everyone you don't agree with. That sounds like Trump, doesn't it.

This is what you actually posted:


It's baffling that non-rich people have unwavering support for a GOP that only caters to rich people.

I pointed out that you would have to be willfully ignorant to actually believe that.

It's on page 1 of the Democrat playbook and you are regurgitating it like you've been told to do.

Good boy.

[cwolff]

Unfortunately this isn't a new behavior, even with many GOP members saying something to the effect of "This is not normal" "This is undignified" twitter will not be the ship that sinks Trump.

Many of his baseline supporters need to feverishly hold onto the world view that Trump is exactly what we need, right when we need it the most.

Humans are pack animals, and there cult of personality surrounding Trump in the 'us' and 'not us' is highly volatile, but for that matter so are many Bernie supporters or ANTIFA folks.

Fringes exist outside of the middle for a reason and fringes are exceptionally insular because of their distance from the norm.

Nixon's supporters were fervently in his corner even after he left office with the shroud of guilt hanging over him. I don't necessarily even think Nixon is the greatest example but it is the most recent. At least Nixon created the EPA.

This guy (link to article) (http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/05/02/berkeley-author-george-lakoff-says-dont-underestimate-trump/) has some explanations for what's happening now and Trumps support. It also explains why Christians bent themselves into pretzels attempting to explain their support for the least Christian President we've ever seen.


Conservatives believe in a what Lakoff calls the “strict father family,” while progressives believe in a “nurturant parent family.” In the strict father family, father knows best and he has the moral authority. The children and spouse have to defer to him, and when they disobey, he has the right to punish them so they will learn to do the right thing.

EPA...I see what you did there. LOL

[ClydeR]

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Either Joe is lying or Trump is lying.

Of all the times I could choose to go on a vacation, this is the worst possible time. The one time Trump tweets something inappropriate, I will be out of town after today and unable to address it on the internet. I'll probably never get another chance.

[Mogonis]

You lost, get over it. Time to move on.
Why is this the only thing you can do and say? Also, again, I didn't lose. I didn't vote for either major candidate. How many times do I have to say that?

[Mogonis]

This is what you actually posted:



I pointed out that you would have to be willfully ignorant to actually believe that.

It's on page 1 of the Democrat playbook and you are regurgitating it like you've been told to do.

Good boy.
That's your opinion on what constitutes ignorance. There's ignorance abound on both sides. You regurgitate all the stuff your party spews too. You think you aren't like everyone else? The GOP is going to strip healthcare from millions while giving super rich tax breaks. Can you actually make arguments against that, or can all you do is insult people?

[Vorpos]

That's your opinion on what constitutes ignorance. There's ignorance abound on both sides. You regurgitate all the stuff your party spews too. You think you aren't like everyone else? The GOP is going to strip healthcare from millions while giving super rich tax breaks. Can you actually make arguments against that, or can all you do is insult people?

Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing. I just read an article about you in the Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tykables-adult-baby-storefront_us_58d127f7e4b0be71dcf7e9ba

[ClydeR]

Scarborough responded to Trump's tweet from this morning about the National Enquirer plot twist..



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https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/880773499408797697 (https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/880773499408797697)

[hello]

Trump is seriously defending the National Enquirer as a legit news source...wow.

https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/nation-enqurirer-six.jpg

[RichardCranium]

Trump is seriously defending the National Enquirer as a legit news source...wow.

https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/nation-enqurirer-six.jpg

Doesn't the National Enquirer own CNN?

[jtyler]

omg that cover is AMAZING

[Methais]

I dunno. With Trump, we've all lost. What has he done for you?

Provided much entertainment via daily triggering of liberals.

[Jhynnifer]

You all seem to be getting off topic a bit...

Do Trump's tweets make him unfit? No. Is it a ridiculous display of both ego and lack of self-control? Yes. Is it befitting the office of the President of the United States? No. His actions speak for the entire country, the man should be capable of (and expected to) act with a modicum of decorum. Clearly he can't. But the people love him, they loved watching him for years firing and mocking people on his tv show... so why not as POTUS?

It's an abhorred and disgusting display. And regardless of whether you're a liberal or a conservative, it's still downright awful.

[cwolff]

You all seem to be getting off topic a bit...

Do Trump's tweets make him unfit? No. Is it a ridiculous display of both ego and lack of self-control? Yes. Is it befitting the office of the President of the United States? No. His actions speak for the entire country, the man should be capable of (and expected to) act with a modicum of decorum. Clearly he can't. But the people love him, they loved watching him for years firing and mocking people on his tv show... so why not as POTUS?

It's an abhorred and disgusting display. And regardless of whether you're a liberal or a conservative, it's still downright awful.

The tweets don't make him unfit. He is unfit to be president, and the tweets are proof of that. Who the fuck has time to be POTUS and still get in twitter wars? Obviously he's not paying attention to the requirements of a difficult job.

[Methais]

This thread:
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[Parkbandit]

That's your opinion on what constitutes ignorance. There's ignorance abound on both sides. You regurgitate all the stuff your party spews too.

But you literally have ignorance on your side when you spew. Case in point:


The GOP is going to strip healthcare from millions while giving super rich tax breaks.

It's like you are trying to troll.. because no one can be THIS ignorant.


Can you actually make arguments against that, or can all you do is insult people?

It's not an insult if it's 100% accurate.

Sorry.

[Savageheart]

You all seem to be getting off topic a bit...

Do Trump's tweets make him unfit? No. Is it a ridiculous display of both ego and lack of self-control? Yes. Is it befitting the office of the President of the United States? No. His actions speak for the entire country, the man should be capable of (and expected to) act with a modicum of decorum. Clearly he can't. But the people love him, they loved watching him for years firing and mocking people on his tv show... so why not as POTUS?

It's an abhorred and disgusting display. And regardless of whether you're a liberal or a conservative, it's still downright awful.

Article 25 Section 4 odds are incredibly low. It would probably take a white house staffer filming a legitimate psychological breakdown and tantrum and then leaking it.

It is incredibly difficult to unseat a sitting president precisely because it must be. It needs to be difficult for democracy to thrive, for our constitution to function properly. I don't see Trump resigning at all (more Nixon compares), his nature requires he tilt at windmills.

I particularly liked the Op-ED in the Washington Post today Mika and Joe did. It describes a man who they were once friendly if not friends with, who's greatness and greater demons were both known quantities over the years the latter becoming much unchecked since ascending to the highest office in the land.

Also an (alleged) habitual if not pathological liar... We've become so jaded by political machinations however, a bold faced liar or hypocrite no longer registers that deeply to many.

[Tenlaar]

Also an (alleged) habitual if not pathological liar...

We are far beyond the need for adding "alleged" when talking about Trump being an unapologetic liar at this point.

[time4fun]

Given that the WSJ just purportedly presented the long awaited collusion evidence (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/report-russians-discussed-giving-clinton-emails-to-flynn.html) yesterday, it's odd to me that this is what's being discussed right now.

[Parkbandit]

Given that the WSJ just purportedly presented the long awaited collusion evidence yesterday, it's odd to me that this is what's being discussed right now.

LOL.

[Back]

I wonder what was said on Morning Joe that triggered Trump so badly that he had to go on Twitter and rain glorious vengeance down upon Mika?

[Savageheart]

Given that the WSJ just purportedly presented the long awaited collusion evidence (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/report-russians-discussed-giving-clinton-emails-to-flynn.html) yesterday, it's odd to me that this is what's being discussed right now.

Is this the actual headline from that article you are referring to? It implicates Flynn associates at the moment and very clearly states this was an activity which was not associated with the campaign.


GOP Operative Sought Clinton Emails From Hackers, Implied a Connection to Flynn
Peter W. Smith portrayed the former general as an ally in an effort, independent of the Trump campaign, to find personal emails deleted by Hillary Clinton

If so it's a bit of a disservice to call it long awaited collusion evidence, I am assuming you meant the collusion of the Trump Campaign.

I don't think there's enough meat on the bone there yet.

[cwolff]

Article 25 Section 4 odds are incredibly low. It would probably take a white house staffer filming a legitimate psychological breakdown and tantrum and then leaking it.

It is incredibly difficult to unseat a sitting president precisely because it must be. It needs to be difficult for democracy to thrive, for our constitution to function properly. I don't see Trump resigning at all (more Nixon compares), his nature requires he tilt at windmills.

I particularly liked the Op-ED in the Washington Post today Mika and Joe did. It describes a man who they were once friendly if not friends with, who's greatness and greater demons were both known quantities over the years the latter becoming much unchecked since ascending to the highest office in the land.

Also an (alleged) habitual if not pathological liar... We've become so jaded by political machinations however, a bold faced liar or hypocrite no longer registers that deeply to many.

I agree with you about that. Impeachment seems pie in the sky right now. Ultimately I believe we'll see severe curtailing of executive power after this presidency.


Given that the WSJ just purportedly presented the long awaited collusion evidence (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/report-russians-discussed-giving-clinton-emails-to-flynn.html) yesterday, it's odd to me that this is what's being discussed right now.

Give it some time. This isn't the smoking gun we need to put all the pieces together but the investigation is getting there. We also have to be prepared that the investigation will not find anything more grossly corrupt than the Trump stuff we've already gotten used to.

[time4fun]

You all seem to be getting off topic a bit...

Do Trump's tweets make him unfit? No. Is it a ridiculous display of both ego and lack of self-control? Yes. Is it befitting the office of the President of the United States? No. His actions speak for the entire country, the man should be capable of (and expected to) act with a modicum of decorum. Clearly he can't. But the people love him, they loved watching him for years firing and mocking people on his tv show... so why not as POTUS?

It's an abhorred and disgusting display. And regardless of whether you're a liberal or a conservative, it's still downright awful.

I agree with you overall here- the impeachment clauses were never intended to kick someone out just for being an asshole.

But to say "the people love him" when he struggles to get past low 40s in most polls (and past the high thirties in quite a few) is a bit of an overstatement. Remember- he was elected by the EC not by the popular vote. He's not here because more people loved him than the other candidates.

[time4fun]

Is this the actual headline from that article you are referring to? It implicates Flynn associates at the moment and very clearly states this was an activity which was not associated with the campaign.



If so it's a bit of a disservice to call it long awaited collusion evidence, I am assuming you meant the collusion of the Trump Campaign.

I don't think there's enough meat on the bone there yet.

The plan was to give the emails over to Mike Flynn, who was a part of the campaign at the time. Purportedly, Russian hackers were overheard trying to figure out how to get Flynn the stolen emails.

Flynn- the one person in the world Trump seems to be willing to fall on his sword over. The one investigation that Trump seems to have gone out of his way to shut down.

The one who immediately tried to flip on Trump.

IF this is all true, the dotted line here is very hard to ignore.

[Wrathbringer]

I agree with you overall here- the impeachment clauses were never intended to kick someone out just for being an asshole.

But to say "the people love him" when he struggles to get past low 40s in most polls (and past the high thirties in quite a few) is a bit of an overstatement. Remember- he was elected by the EC not by the popular vote. He's not here because more people loved him than the other candidates.

Honestly, shut your hole.

[Savageheart]

The plan was to give the emails over to Mike Flynn, who was a part of the campaign at the time. Purportedly, Russian hackers were overheard trying to figure out how to get Flynn the stolen emails.

Flynn- the one person in the world Trump seems to be willing to fall on his sword over. The one investigation that Trump seems to have gone out of his way to shut down.

The one who immediately tried to flip on Trump.

IF this is all true, the dotted line here is very hard to ignore.

It's very easy to lampoon a hypothetical statement, and you are making more than one - these claims and connections are not even proven and the entire second half of your statement is entirely conjecture.

That is not to say it isn't probable conjecture only that it lacks any burden of proof at the moment.

This is the reason no one is talking a great deal about it, excepting the most vociferous critics, none of it sticks to Donnie Two Scoops.

[Savageheart]

Honestly I think the buried lead here might be that Joe and Mika outright accused Trump of blackmail today. With records that (allegedly) back up the statement.

[Tgo01]

Remember- he was elected by the EC not by the popular vote.

I swear time4fun has already stipulated in her will that she wants her tombstone to read this.

[Wrathbringer]

I swear time4fun has already stipulated in her will that she wants her tombstone to read this.

I know, it's retarded.

[Parkbandit]

I agree with you overall here- the impeachment clauses were never intended to kick someone out just for being an asshole.

But to say "the people love him" when he struggles to get past low 40s in most polls (and past the high thirties in quite a few) is a bit of an overstatement. Remember- he was elected by the EC not by the popular vote. He's not here because more people loved him than the other candidates.

How have all the past US Presidents been elected?

Oh.. the same way.

I understand you want to hold tightly onto that "victory" that Hillary had.. but popular vote is not the way the US decides who actually wins.

And for good reason.

[Candor]

Remember- he was elected by the EC not by the popular vote.

You keep saying that like it's supposed to mean something.

[time4fun]

It's very easy to lampoon a hypothetical statement, and you are making more than one - these claims and connections are not even proven and the entire second half of your statement is entirely conjecture.

That is not to say it isn't probable conjecture only that it lacks any burden of proof at the moment.

This is the reason no one is talking a great deal about it, excepting the most vociferous critics, none of it sticks to Donnie Two Scoops.

Actually, most of what I said in the latter half wasn't conjecture at all. I was recounting Trump's behavior and Flynn's behavior.

The conjecture is whether or not the WSJ story is accurate (and they've been pretty darn accurate in this whole thing so far), and then whether these things are all related.

But here's the thing- if the information in the WSJ is true- what's the tougher argument to make- that Trump has put everything he has into stopping the investigations into Flynn BECAUSE he doesn't want that connection to come to light, or that the fact that Flynn was working with the Russians to get those stolen emails had NOTHING TO DO with Trump's behavior?

The latter, in my mind, is an uphill rhetorical battle.

[Wrathbringer]

Actually, most of what I said in the latter half wasn't conjecture at all. I was recounting Trump's behavior and Flynn's behavior.

The conjecture is whether or not the WSJ story is accurate (and they've been pretty darn accurate in this whole thing so far), and then whether these things are all related.

But here's the thing- if the information in the WSJ is true- what's the tougher argument to make- that Trump has put everything he has into stopping the investigations into Flynn BECAUSE he doesn't want that connection to come to light, or that the fact that Flynn was working with the Russians to get those stolen emails had NOTHING TO DO with Trump's behavior?

The latter, in my mind, is an uphill rhetorical battle.

You're profoundly retarded. Do you seriously believe Trump colluded with the Russians to throw the election? You're just grasping at straws because Hillary couldn't have lost if it was fair, right? Waaaaah! I lost! Waaaaah. Get over it.

[Tgo01]

Months now it's been "anonymous source" this and "anonymous source" that. And now the "breaking story" is an interview someone had with a guy days before died.

Gee, how fucking convenient is that? Is this going to be the new direction the MSM is going to go? "Well people are catching on to our anonymous source bullshit, let's just 'interview' people days before they die so they can't refute anything we say."

In a normal society in normal times the general public would be able to see through the bullshit. In our new America people want to believe it so badly they are willing to ignore their own common sense.

[Savageheart]

Actually, most of what I said in the latter half wasn't conjecture at all. I was recounting Trump's behavior and Flynn's behavior.

The conjecture is whether or not the WSJ story is accurate (and they've been pretty darn accurate in this whole thing so far), and then whether these things are all related.

But here's the thing- if the information in the WSJ is true- what's the tougher argument to make- that Trump has put everything he has into stopping the investigations into Flynn BECAUSE he doesn't want that connection to come to light, or that the fact that Flynn was working with the Russians to get those stolen emails had NOTHING TO DO with Trump's behavior?

The latter, in my mind, is an uphill rhetorical battle.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word conjecture. I can parrot your post back to you and point it out, but honestly the whole quote by quote breakdown thing is someone else's schtick.

You're entire argument is hinged or unhinged on the word if. It's a two letter word, yet it makes you're statement either remarkable or hysterical.

It is not difficult to point out Trump's poor behavior, but when you follow it up or bury it with your own narrative the signal get's lost in your noise.

[Savageheart]

Months now it's been "anonymous source" this and "anonymous source" that. And now the "breaking story" is an interview someone had with a guy days before died.

Gee, how fucking convenient is that? Is this going to be the new direction the MSM is going to go? "Well people are catching on to our anonymous source bullshit, let's just 'interview' people days before they die so they can't refute anything we say."

In a normal society in normal times the general public would be able to see through the bullshit. In our new America people want to believe it so badly they are willing to ignore their own common sense.

Goose meets gander there. Republicans, Democrats, Conspiracy theorists, Federal Prosecutors, Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves, have all used anonymous sources dating back to the conception of the fourth estate.

Plenty of it has all washed clean, and some has not. Beyond that generic statement I'm not sure which specific sin of the media you are pointing out though? Can you elaborate?

[Tgo01]

Goose meets gander there. Republicans, Democrats, Conspiracy theorists, Federal Prosecutors, Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves, have all used anonymous sources dating back to the conception of the fourth estate.

"Anonymous sources" is one thing. But when your entire narrative going on for months is based on anonymous sources (or I think my favorite one was something along the lines of Comey was going to take Trump down during his senate hearing "according to someone familiar with the way Comey thinks") and none of it has panned out yet I think it's safe to start calling bullshit on these stories.

This isn't like "Anonymous sources say a Senator is going to introduce legislation seeking to curtail gun rights" then a few weeks later a Senator does just that. Shit like that builds up confidence in the organization that they have proper anonymous sources and you can trust them in the future when they rely on anonymous sources. However when your stories based on these anonymous sources turns out to be bullshit over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, at some point people (should) are going to call bullshit. This is how it used to work, now in the age of Trump people don't want actual news, they just want to indulge their confirmation bias.


Plenty of it has all washed clean

Such as?


Beyond that generic statement I'm not sure which specific sin of the media you are pointing out though? Can you elaborate?

Relying on non-stop anonymous sources then when people start getting tired of the anonymous sources angle (shit I've seen some Democrats getting annoyed at all of the Russia "anonymous sources" stories) we suddenly get an "interview" with a man who died over a month ago who dropped a bombshell who is no longer around to refute or backup anything in the story? This is something straight out of a movie. A movie where the audience rolls their eyes at how stupid everyone is for believing the obvious bullshit and saying "This would never happen in real life."

Congratulations, Democrats. You are now a Hollywood fiction movie.

[Savageheart]

To start, I was confused by your statement because this entire thread has been talking about Morning Joes crew and Trump - the anonymous sources thing seemed out of left field for me unless you were criticizing T4F

You illustrated plenty of the use cases right before you asked me to cite any. Professional Journalism is still intact and functioning. Both sides have bias and yet both sides still present basic truths. I can read the front page Fox news and learn about the Obama's luxurious vacations, none of it false. Then flip to CNN and see that the Senate Healthcare bill vote was pulled.

Washington Post with whom most of my staunches conservative friends draw the deepest critisms of, still posts Op-Eds from Conservative pundits.

There's no small amount of agreement when you talk about the Comey testimony. I saw most of that coming not from credible news sources but from clickbait, or assholes on social media. I didn't really tune in or buy in frankly (I mean I hoped).

Comey called the President a liar in front of Congress and no one blinked. The general public willingly acknowledges that the President of the United States has a fairly footloose and fancy free relationship with the Truth.

It was a good day for the president only if your narrative is, "Haha you said this was going to be his end" seems like a dodgy goal post move. It did not paint the president in a favorable light, though its hard to imagine anyone diminishing Trump more than Trump.

Every democrat was not making ridiculous claims about how Comey was a nail in Trump's coffin plenty editorialized that hope none the less. Many conservatives likewise hoped and wished for Obama to fall on his ass, and claimed impeachment was always around the corner.

It is nearly impossible to unseat a sitting president, full stop. That's working as intended, the special prosecutors are doing their due diligence as is their requirement by the DoJ they have yet to levy any charges - we shall see if they ever do.

Politics whether they be democrat or republican have always been works of fiction.

Read my lips, no new taxes. No new stories, at least until now. The President having nightly lowbrow hissyfits on twitter or any other medium so accessible to the Public is new and noteworthy.

[Tgo01]

To start, I was confused by your statement because this entire thread has been talking about Morning Joes crew and Trump - the anonymous sources thing seemed out of left field for me unless you were criticizing T4F

Of course I was criticizing time4fun, she's the one who mentioned this bombshell of a story with an interview with a dead man.


You illustrated plenty of the use cases right before you asked me to cite any.

No I didn't, I asked for specifics, and I never gave any story credit related to the Russia fiasco.

[Savageheart]

I find it funny that folks can think Trump personally is both the perfect Russian foreign agent and a complete moron in the same time.

It's one or the other, likely neither. Personally he seems more like a useful idiot, which is a phrase that seems to be getting a lot more play lately in conservative circles... a term invented by Soviets for their cutouts.

If you're referring to the special investigation on all things Russian I am happy to sit back and see with the special council offers if any.

There were two years and 33 congressional hearings regarding Bengazi and lets not forget "the emails"

All of it a goose egg. Maybe this is too, but if you're calling this some how a waste of time, look to the fact that our president is not talking about healthcare, or taxes, or any of his agenda. He's on twitter acting like an eight year old with a grudge.

Again worthy of note, Mika and Joe essentially accused the president or at the very least specifically Jared Kushner of attempted blackmail. That isn't hyperbole, either they capitulated and apologized or that great bastion of American truth the National Enquirer was going to publish a hit piece on them.

[Tgo01]

There were two years and 33 congressional hearings regarding Bengazi and lets not forget "the emails"

All of it a goose egg. Maybe this is too, but if you're calling this some how a waste of time, look to the fact that our president is not talking about healthcare, or taxes, or any of his agenda.

I don't give a shit if the senate wants to investigate this. What I do care about is the media frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog with their endless stories filled with "anonymous sources" over it. And then you even have the Democrat senators playing along with the stupid game.

You want to compare this to Benghazi? Look, Benghazi happened, there is no dispute about this. So far all we have is Trump won and someone at one point said it was because Russia hacked the election. Like, seriously. This is where we are at now because someone couldn't handle the fact that Trump won and made a flimsy bullshit connection about Trump and Russia.


He's on twitter acting like an eight year old with a grudge.

Trump is talking about his agenda, he just recently urged Congress to pass the bills regarding sanctuary cities and repeat offenders entering the country illegally. He has talked about the repeal and replace of Obamacare. He has been pushing his travel ban. But what gets 24/7 news coverage? A Tweet Trump made about some second rate host on a third rate cable network. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS A WOMAN! OMG! SEXISM! PROOF!

I'm not going to shed a tear for someone who has vilified Trump as racist and sexist and Islamaphobic and homophobic because Trump made some comment about one of her obvious facelifts. I mean check your faux outrage, it's not as if he called her a rapist.


Again worthy of note, Mika and Joe essentially accused the president or at the very least specifically Jared Kushner of attempted blackmail. That isn't hyperbole, either they capitulated and apologized or that great bastion of American truth the National Enquirer was going to publish a hit piece on them.

Right. So instead of recording these phone calls and having an actual story with no anonymous sources about how the president of the US was blackmailing them, they decided to wait until after the story hit and after Trump's Twitter rage to talk about this alleged blackmail?

You'll have to excuse me for a minute, my bullshit meter just broke.

[Savageheart]

You are fine with the investigations into Russia but you don't like the media for reporting these things? Ok I guess, that's your choice.

He has talked about the repeal of the ACA with out a replacement as of this morning. Also, that he knows 'lots' about healthcare.

They claim to have the phone records to back up their story - you're bullshit meter may not be the most reliable. Have you had it serviced recently?

I will say they broke all this down after Trump repugnant comments about them, not out of no where there was a cause and effect. They were responding to direct accusations by POTUS.

I will also bottom line this: No one has presented any verifiable truths, these are in the frame of the hypothetical at the moment.

The only claim I'm making is that his conduct does not befit a juvenile delinquent let alone the President of the United States. I am not alone in this oppinion I am joined by many members of congress and operatives in the GOP.

[Tgo01]

They claim to have the phone records to back up their story - you're bullshit meter may not be the most reliable. Have you had it serviced recently?

And I would love to hear these so called recordings. I do hope you mean "recordings" and not just mere "records." I also hope you plan on listening to said recordings (if they exist and are released) and are going to listen to them objectively and arrive at your own conclusion and not just take some pundit's word for it.

This reminds me of the Cosby story floating around a couple of years ago where the stories were saying Cosby admitted to drugging and raping women at his civil trial. Then you read the transcript for yourself (like a sucker) and he said no such thing.


I will say they broke all this down after Trump repugnant comments about them, not out of no where there was a cause and effect. They were responding to direct accusations by POTUS.

So they didn't think it was a juicy enough story that the president of the United States was blackmailing them until he said something that hurt their fee fees on Twitter?

I guess we'll just have to wait until these recordings are made public.

[Savageheart]

You keep saying recordings, I said records. They are two different things.

It is not hard to prove you have text messages and phone records which indicate whom you have have not talked with. (It is NOT proven as yet, it's just not a difficult thing to provide)

Trump claimed they called him begging to "spike the interview" in essence stopping it, he also claimed that Mika was bleeding from the face and that he denied them entry to Mar mar land.

They(Joe & Mika) did not claim the two were talking in fact the opposite. Joe stated that they had not had any conversation in many months and his phone RECORDS proved this.

Also that he had texts from his(Trumps) aids.

I may be misreading you but I feel as if you did not read Joe and Mika's statement today?

It's worth a look if you have not. Read Trumps statements as well for that matter, it will take far less time.

[Tgo01]

You keep saying recordings, I said records. They are two different things.

Yes I know they are. You're really believing their story because they have records that phone calls were made? Like, really?

Are we in that movie I was discussing earlier?

[Savageheart]

I'm not assigning any belief, I am stating and we have been discussing the conduct and activities of Donald Trump and Morning Joe. I have repeatedly stated that they have yet to provide any evidence, but have made substantial accusation. One which Trump's teams have yet to deny. In fact they have embraced his behavior as "America's Counter Puncher"

These are all objective things.

[Latrinsorm]

LOL, Nancy Pelosi alone made nearly 60 million between 2008 and 2016, amazing how lawmakers can double their wealth during one of the worst financial crisis in almost 100 years. Do we seriously need to rehash how devastating Democrat policies have been for the poor and lower middle class?Anyone who invested all their money in the S&P 500 in October of 2008 would have doubled their wealth by June 2014. You Won't Believe What Wealth Increase You Would Get By Investing In March 2009.
You keep saying that like it's supposed to mean something.You don't think a popular vote is significant in the context of popularity?
Months now it's been "anonymous source" this and "anonymous source" that. And now the "breaking story" is an interview someone had with a guy days before died. Gee, how fucking convenient is that? Is this going to be the new direction the MSM is going to go? "Well people are catching on to our anonymous source bullshit, let's just 'interview' people days before they die so they can't refute anything we say." In a normal society in normal times the general public would be able to see through the bullshit. In our new America people want to believe it so badly they are willing to ignore their own common sense.The source that led America to Watergate remained anonymous for over thirty years.
I find it funny that folks can think Trump personally is both the perfect Russian foreign agent and a complete moron in the same time.I don't know of anyone who thinks President Trump is working for the Russians. For example, we all agree it would be entirely in keeping with his character to make a deal with the Russians in order to win the election, then immediately renege on it upon winning said election. Regardless, President Trump does not have to have had any involvement in such collusion for his actions to be impeachable. Indeed, such collusion does not even have to have existed. Obstruction of justice does not require a crime to have occurred. It only requires the obstruction of justice, hence the name.

[Tgo01]

I have repeatedly stated that they have yet to provide any evidence, but have made substantial accusation.

And when I called bullshit on said accusations you said my bullshit meter is probably broken because they claimed to have records of the phone calls. Don't think you can backtrack with me.

[Savageheart]

I don't believe he is an active foreign agent either. I do know personally folks that believe he is, I have a diverse circle of peers.

Agree with the rest of your statement after quoting me.

[Savageheart]

And when I called bullshit on said accusations you said my bullshit meter is probably broken because they claimed to have records of the phone calls. Don't think you can backtrack with me.

That is not what I said at all. Perhaps, that is how you observed it none the less.

Specifically I stated


It is not hard to prove you have text messages and phone records which indicate whom you have have not talked with. (It is NOT proven as yet, it's just not a difficult thing to provide)

The only editorial I have made on this topic is that I find Donald Trumps actions repugnant.

I stated your bullshit meter might not be accurate, because it was humorous. Since you used the metaphor first, I toyed with it.

I will add you were making entirely unproven accusations and assessments yourself when you assumed the mental and moral motivations of either party involved. At which point you become that which you hate.... T4F

[Tgo01]

I stated your bullshit meter might not be accurate, because it was humorous. Since you used the metaphor first, I toyed with it.

I said their story was bullshit because they didn't bother to record these alleged threats, you come back and said they have records to back up their version of events and then questioned my bullshit meter.

Again, why are you backtracking and pretending this never happened? Am I in an episode of the Twilight Zone where no one can ever admit to their mistakes?

A simple "My bad. That's not what I meant but I can see how you might think that" would have solved this whole thing. But nnnnnnnooooooooooo. We have to drag this out for another 20+ pages.

[Savageheart]

That is not what occurred or the sequence of events sorry. There's no apology, and your account is inaccurate. Except for the questioning your bullshit meter thing that was accurate.

The rest on your part was at best, fan fiction as to how you hope things went down and what the motivations of Mika and Joe were?

[Tgo01]

That is not what occurred or the sequence of events sorry. There's no apology, and your account is inaccurate. Except for the questioning your bullshit meter thing that was accurate.

The rest on your part was at best, fan fiction as to how you hope things went down and what the motivations of Mika and Joe were?


But nnnnnnnooooooooooo. We have to drag this out for another 20+ pages.

It's like I'm a mind reader.

[Back]

Months now it's been "anonymous source" this and "anonymous source" that. And now the "breaking story" is an interview someone had with a guy days before died.

Gee, how fucking convenient is that? Is this going to be the new direction the MSM is going to go? "Well people are catching on to our anonymous source bullshit, let's just 'interview' people days before they die so they can't refute anything we say."

In a normal society in normal times the general public would be able to see through the bullshit. In our new America people want to believe it so badly they are willing to ignore their own common sense.

Heh. Nothing new here. We "discussed" that issue here on the PC ad nauseous back in the Bush years.

My conclusions are that I agree with you in principal. I would far rather have someone identified as a source with actual proof or evidence. But this issue is probably as old as reporting. Reporters have means to verify these things and supposedly the integrity to bring us the truth. Problems come from dishonest sources and/or dishonest reporters. Nothing we can do about that except sit back and watch the show.

Oof kind of late to the party on this post. Just read a bunch of other posts after the one I quoted. Oh well.

[Neveragain]

The plan was to give the emails over to Mike Flynn, who was a part of the campaign at the time. Purportedly, Russian hackers were overheard trying to figure out how to get Flynn the stolen emails.

Flynn- the one person in the world Trump seems to be willing to fall on his sword over. The one investigation that Trump seems to have gone out of his way to shut down.

The one who immediately tried to flip on Trump.

IF this is all true, the dotted line here is very hard to ignore.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Glfe6UeXQ

[time4fun]

It's probably worth noting that when Trump goes off the rails like this and starts creating huge, steaming piles of mess...he's trying to distract from something.

Don't focus on what he says- focus on what he does. There were several stories in the past few days that he managed to distract people from.

[Tgo01]

It's probably worth noting that when Trump goes off the rails like this and starts creating huge, steaming piles of mess...he's trying to distract from something.

Don't focus on what he says- focus on what he does. There were several stories in the past few days that he managed to distract people from.

For Trump being such a racist, sexist, lying, incompetent piece of shit, he sure does apparently know how to play everyone, especially the press.

[Parkbandit]

It's probably worth noting that when Trump goes off the rails like this and starts creating huge, steaming piles of mess...he's trying to distract from something.

Don't focus on what he says- focus on what he does. There were several stories in the past few days that he managed to distract people from.

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[ClydeR]

Of all the times I could choose to go on a vacation, this is the worst possible time. The one time Trump tweets something inappropriate, I will be out of town after today and unable to address it on the internet. I'll probably never get another chance.


I'm back from my vacation. And just in the nick of time!

When I left at the end of June, the Senate was just about to repeal Obamacare, and the fake news media was claiming that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. I won't even go into the Russian thing, but Obamacare repeal is still a possibility.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFGWc3OU0AANANn.jpg

Is lunch over yet?