Senate Healthcare Bill

[ClydeR]

Whoa! Obama issued a lengthy -- his 939 words would be more convincing if he could cut it down to 140 characters like Trump does -- statement on the Senate health bill. Based on my impeccable recollection for these matters, this is just the second time since leaving office that Obama has broken his silence. The first time was right after Trump issued the first version of the Travel Ban.

The Senate bill, formally known as the "Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 (https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf)" is not, as Obama claims, a transfer of wealth. It's returning the wealth to where it was before the liberals took over government. Those who lay a proper financial foundation before getting sick, getting old, or starting a family should not have to pay for the healthcare of those who recklessly engage in such activities without any planning.




The Senate bill, unveiled today, is not a health care bill. It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America. It hands enormous tax cuts to the rich and to the drug and insurance industries, paid for by cutting health care for everybody else. Those with private insurance will experience higher premiums and higher deductibles, with lower tax credits to help working families cover the costs, even as their plans might no longer cover pregnancy, mental health care, or expensive prescriptions. Discrimination based on pre-existing conditions could become the norm again. Millions of families will lose coverage entirely.

Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family – this bill will do you harm. And small tweaks over the course of the next couple weeks, under the guise of making these bills easier to stomach, cannot change the fundamental meanness at the core of this legislation.

More... (https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10154996557026749)

[tyrant-201]

Oh I can sense the impending rage.

[Fallen]

They gotta get 2 of the 4 Republican holdouts to go along with the bill to pass the Senate. In doing that, they also have to keep the bill in such a state that the House won't turn it down out of hand. Still a ways to go.

[Parkbandit]

Not thrilled with how this is being rolled out.. the GOP is doing the same exact thing the Dems did.. closed door meetings for only a select few, the urgency of "we need to pass it to see what's in it".... both parties are raging hypocrits

[hello]

Whoa! Obama issued a lengthy -- his 939 words would be more convincing if he could cut it down to 140 characters like Trump does -- statement on the Senate health bill. Based on my impeccable recollection for these matters, this is just the second time since leaving office that Obama has broken his silence. The first time was right after Trump issued the first version of the Travel Ban.

The Senate bill, formally known as the "Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 (https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf)" is not, as Obama claims, a transfer of wealth. It's returning the wealth to where it was before the liberals took over government. Those who lay a proper financial foundation before getting sick, getting old, or starting a family should not have to pay for the healthcare of those who recklessly engage in such activities without any planning.

I would agree with this if this were the 1950's and CEO's made 8 times the regular line worker and were embarrased for making so much. Now, it's a cartoonish 1000 times the regular worker and they're still thinking how much more blood they can squeeze out of their 13.50 per hour worker working 80 hour weeks trying to feed his family.

The country's mentality has become "if you're not my family or close friend, FUCK OFF and DIE" a sort of gladitorial combat between Americans and Congress is just one of it's arenas. Not too surprising.

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[Savageheart]

Not thrilled with how this is being rolled out.. the GOP is doing the same exact thing the Dems did.. closed door meetings for only a select few, the urgency of "we need to pass it to see what's in it".... both parties are raging hypocrits

At the end of the day ACA was passed with no Republican support - and few concessions made - however there were still major concessions.

In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.

This is nothing like what Democrats did (In crafting the bill) I will however agree that if it results in passage the means of that accomplishment will be the same.

[hello]

Anyhow, this shit isn't gonna pass, Big C gave everyone until end of next week for a vote on the bill...

[Parkbandit]

At the end of the day ACA was passed with no Republican support - and few concessions made - however there were still major concessions.

In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.

This is nothing like what Democrats did (In crafting the bill) I will however agree that if it results in passage the means of that accomplishment will be the same.


A simple "yea" would have sufficed.

[Fortybox]

This bill is Obamacare Lite. Republicans are going to lose their majority if they continue with this crap.

[Parkbandit]

This bill is Obamacare Lite. Republicans are going to lose their majority if they continue with this crap.

That is the problem with entitlement programs.. once people get the taste of "free" stuff.. you can never take it away.

[ClydeR]

Writing in the NYT, conservative columnist David Brooks argues that Senators failed to include in their bill any of the innovative policy proposals advanced by conservative intellectuals in the last decade. Instead of trying something new, the GOP is accepting the structure of Obamacare -- think about that -- but making it worse.


Because Republicans have no governing vision, they can’t really replace the Obama vision with some alternative. They just accept the basic structure of Obamacare and cut it back some.

Because Republicans have no governing vision, they can’t argue for their plans. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price came to the Aspen Ideas Festival to make the case for the G.O.P. approach. It’s not that he had bad arguments; he had no arguments, no vision for the sort of health care system these bills would usher in. He filled his time by rising to a level of vapid generality that was utterly detached from the choices in the actual legislation.

Because Republicans have no national vision, they seem largely uninterested in the actual effects their legislation would have on the country at large. This Senate bill would be completely unworkable because anybody with half a brain would get insurance only when they got sick.

Worse, this bill takes all of the devastating trends afflicting the middle and working classes — all the instability, all the struggle and pain — and it makes them worse. As the C.B.O. indicated, the Senate plan would throw 22 million people off the insurance rolls. It would send them to private insurance plans that they could not afford to buy. Under the Senate bill, deductibles for poor families would be more than half of their annual income. The plans are so incompetently and cruelly designed that as the C.B.O. put it, “few low-income people would purchase any plan.”

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/opinion/the-gop-rejects-conservatism.html)

[cwolff]

I almost hope this gets passed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/senate-health-bill-insurers-unworkable_us_59697eb7e4b0d6341fe9111c?4wz


Two organizations representing the U.S. health insurance industry just called a new provision of the Senate Republicans’ health care proposal “simply unworkable in any form” and warned that it would cause major hardship, especially for middle-class people with serious medical problems.

The organizations, America’s Health Insurance Plans and the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, speak for the businesses that would be responsible for making the new system work ― or at least attempting to do so.
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The amendment, crafted by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), would allow insurers to resume sales of policies that leave out key benefits, such as prescription drugs or mental health. More important, it would allow insurers to discriminate among customers based on medical status, charging higher premiums or denying policies altogether to people with existing medical problems ― from the severe, like cancer, to the relatively mild, like allergies.

[Neveragain]

Writing in the NYT, conservative columnist David Brooks argues that Senators failed to include in their bill any of the innovative policy proposals advanced by conservative intellectuals in the last decade. Instead of trying something new, the GOP is accepting the structure of Obamacare -- think about that -- but making it worse.

Government healthcare will always be a giant cluster fuck, anyone that would even consider putting their healthcare/life decisions in the hands of people who can't even properly secure classified material is insane. There is absolutely no reason to think otherwise.

It's absolutely disheartening to see so many people rushing to a swamp of tyrants to so eagerly hand all their life choices to them. So much for being pro-choice.

[cwolff]

Government healthcare will always be a giant cluster fuck, anyone that would even consider putting their healthcare/life decisions in the hands of people who can't even properly secure classified material is insane. There is absolutely no reason to think otherwise.

It's absolutely disheartening to see so many people rushing to a swamp of tyrants to so eagerly hand all their life choices to them. So much for being pro-choice.

Best health care experiences I've ever had with VA. I'm praying (if I prayed, but I don't because I'm a godless heathen) for some sort of single payer.

[Neveragain]

Best health care experiences I've ever had with VA. I'm praying (if I prayed, but I don't because I'm a godless heathen) for some sort of single payer.

The VA has a long history of it's own problems, I know you know this and thinking it will improve by trying to cover 320+ million people...I can't even conceive how anyone can think it will be a good thing. History is certainly not on your side of the debate, I won't argue that it looks good on paper but so does communism.

Is there a reason I shouldn't have a choice to make my own healthcare decisions, it is my body right?

[cwolff]

The VA has a long history of it's own problems, I know you know this and thinking it will improve by trying to cover 320+ million people...I can't even conceive how anyone can think it will be a good thing. History is certainly not on your side of the debate, I won't argue that it looks good on paper but so does communism.

Is there a reason I shouldn't have a choice to make my own healthcare decisions, it is my body right?

That's only too true. There have been disastrous VA problems. My personal experiences were so great I wish everyone could have that for healthcare.

What's the libertarian version of healthcare? I have no conception of how that would work.

[Neveragain]

What's the libertarian version of healthcare? I have no conception of how that would work.

No different than calling a plumber, an electrician or any other service that you may be in need of. I know it's difficult to think that you are able to obtain any of these other services without going through a middle man or in the case of Government healthcare 2 middle men.

But roads!

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