Alt left shooter

[Parkbandit]

Is anyone really surprised at this? You can't keep talking about killing people for their politics and not think this is going to happen.

Looks like it's a guy from the alt left that did the shooting. Piece of shit, hope he lives so he can rot in jail.

[Gelston]

Heard he died.

[Gelston]

Notice it always seemed the Bernie supporters were the violent ones, first against Hillary, then against Trump.

[Taernath]

Pretty fucked up.


Is anyone really surprised at this? You can't keep talking about killing people for their politics and not think this is going to happen.

Who was saying people should die for their politics?

[Parkbandit]

Pretty fucked up.

Who was saying people should die for their politics?

He did on his social media.

Wait.. have you not heard about the play about the Trump Assassination? Or how Kathy Griffin held up a cut off Trump head?

[Androidpk]

Notice it always seemed the Bernie supporters were the violent ones, first against Hillary, then against Trump.

False. Hillary supporters are the violent ones, not the Bernie supporters.

[Neveragain]

Pretty fucked up.



Who was saying people should die for their politics?

It's OK bro, we know you are trying to self-justify your continued support for these losers. Don't worry we will be there for you when you wake up to reality.

[Taernath]

He did on his social media.

Wait.. have you not heard about the play about the Trump Assassination? Or how Kathy Griffin held up a cut off Trump head?

Are you talking about the 'Trump must be destroyed' comment or something else? I don't think you can tie this to Sanders based on the perpetrator's social media comments. Sanders has always been against violence.

And you agreed with my assessment on the Kathy Griffin thing.

[Fallen]

False. Hillary supporters are the violent ones, not the Bernie supporters.

I imagine they're referencing that white supremacist in Portland.

[Androidpk]

I imagine they're referencing that white supremacist in Portland.

Not familiar with that one.

[Fallen]

Not familiar with that one.

The guy who stabbed those people on the train.

[time4fun]

Is anyone really surprised at this? You can't keep talking about killing people for their politics and not think this is going to happen.

Looks like it's a guy from the alt left that did the shooting. Piece of shit, hope he lives so he can rot in jail.

Yeah...there's no such thing as the alt left.

But I think it's fascinating that you've decided the problem here is liberalism, not, say, guns.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah...there's no such thing as the alt left.

But I think it's fascinating that you've decided the problem here is liberalism, not, say, guns.

LOL guns saved the day, you idiot.

[Neveragain]

Yeah...there's no such thing as the alt left.

But I think it's fascinating that you've decided the problem here is liberalism, not, say, guns.


The guy who stabbed those people on the train.:thinking:

[Androidpk]

Yeah...there's no such thing as the alt left.

But I think it's fascinating that you've decided the problem here is liberalism, not, say, guns.

What do you prefer calling them, radical lefties? Extremists? terrorists?

[Androidpk]

Blames the problem on guns. Disregards the fact that a security detail with guns is why no one was killed.

[Neveragain]

What do you prefer calling them, radical lefties? Extremists? terrorists?

Rioting and looting in multiple cities, Madonna "Blow up the White House" speech, Kathy Griffin going ISIS, Reality Winner leaking classified info who also wanted to join ISIS and burn down the White House......

Come on bro you know it's the guns doing this.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah...there's no such thing as the alt left.

There is. You just don't see it because you are a die hard member. You think those crazy fucks are normal.



But I think it's fascinating that you've decided the problem here is liberalism, not, say, guns.

I'm not surprised at all that the first thing the Alt Lefties do is blame guns instead of their rhetoric.

At all.

[Donquix]

There is. You just don't see it because you are a die hard member. You think those crazy fucks are normal.



I'm not surprised at all that the first thing the Alt Lefties do is blame guns instead of their rhetoric.

At all.

Crazy people are a problem, regardless of ideology.

Crazy people having unrestricted access to firearms is also a problem. If you can't see that, you're part of that first problem.

[Wrathbringer]

Crazy people are a problem, regardless of ideology.

Crazy people having unrestricted access to firearms is also a problem. If you can't see that, you're part of that first problem.

You can't control other's access to weapons. I know you wish you could, but you can't. If you can't see that, then you're part of the problem.

[tyrant-201]

Clearly the 2nd amendment saved the day.

It's sad how fractured this country is.

[tyrant-201]

Look how ready PB is to use this situation to prove some sort of political point. The guy is a crazy old white dude, this is not part of some vast 'alt-left' liberal conspiracy. These types of people can unfortunately come from all walks of life, political ideologies or religious backgrounds. Pointing fingers only serves to break the divide even wider, let's talk about how we treat people with opposing views like human beings again.

[Wrathbringer]

Look how ready PB is to use this situation to prove some sort of political point. The guy is a crazy old white dude, this is not part of some vast 'alt-left' liberal conspiracy. These types of people can unfortunately come from all walks of life, political ideologies or religious backgrounds. Pointing fingers only serves to break the divide even wider, let's talk about how we treat people with opposing views like human beings again.

lol you lost get over it.

[tyrant-201]

lol you lost get over it.

I lost what?

[Kembal]

a. Yes, there's an alt-left.
b. Violence is extremely bad. Also, political violence is much more prevalent in America amongst first world democracies, historically.
c. "Trump Assassination" play is Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. Obama was used in Caesar's place in prior staging in 2012. Also, the point of the play is that assassinations are bad - the populace turns against the assassins later on.
d. Shooter was a Sanders supporter, and hated Clinton, the GOP, and Trump. (checked his FB page myself)

[hello]

Blames the problem on guns. Disregards the fact that a security detail with guns is why no one was killed.

I agree guns are the problem though; we should be allowed to bear arms as afforded to us by the 2nd amendment but for city dwellers by law all guns should be kept at your local Police station, who on demand 24/7 will give you access to your guns.

[tyrant-201]

I agree guns are the problem though; we should be allowed to bear arms as afforded to us by the 2nd amendment but for city dwellers by law all guns should be kept at your local Police station, who on demand 24/7 will give you access to your guns.

This sounds like a great idea

[Viekn]

LOL guns saved the day, you idiot.

I'd say it's both ways. The perpetrator having a gun ruined the day, the capital police being present with guns saved the day.

[Parkbandit]

Crazy people are a problem, regardless of ideology.

I don't disagree.


Crazy people having unrestricted access to firearms is also a problem.

Who gets to determine who is crazy is the problem.


If you can't see that, you're part of that first problem.

Yes, yes.. if you don't agree with MY opinion, YOU are the problem.

Great.

[Fallen]

Creates a nasty catch-22. It's a mental health problem, not a gun problem, but we don't want to limit access to arms for fear of government overreach. So in the end, fingers are pointed and nothing is done on either end of the spectrum.

[Neveragain]

Crazy people are a problem, regardless of ideology.

Crazy people having unrestricted access to firearms is also a problem. If you can't see that, you're part of that first problem.

Nobody has unrestricted access to firearms. Of course you would know this if you have ever purchased a firearm.

[Whirlin]

Nobody has unrestricted access to firearms. Of course you would know this if you have ever purchased a firearm.
How do you figure? It's legal to do a personal sale of property to another person, firearms included.
Yes, Government approved arms dealers do not offer unrestricted access, but that's not the only way of getting a gun.

[Neveragain]

How do you figure? It's legal to do a personal sale of property to another person, firearms included.
Yes, Government approved arms dealers do not offer unrestricted access, but that's not the only way of getting a gun.

Except you know, it's illegal to knowingly sell a firearm to someone if they are purchasing it for illegal intent.

[Whirlin]

Except you know, it's illegal to knowingly sell a firearm to someone if they are purchasing it for illegal intent.
Yeah, there's absolutely no way around that rule ever. And everyone engaging in a firearm transaction always discusses intent of the use, and everyone always tells the truth, right?

[Neveragain]

Yeah, there's absolutely no way around that rule ever. And everyone engaging in a firearm transaction always discusses intent of the use, and everyone always tells the truth, right?

Sooo... more laws are going to make people follow the laws we already have?

Kind of like how it's impossible to find a bag of weed because it's illegal.

[Whirlin]

Sooo... more laws are going to make people follow the laws we already have?
Kind of like how it's impossible to find a bag of weed because it's illegal.
Pretty defeatist attitude. Why outlaw murder if people are going to just do it anyway, even if it's illegal, right? Last I checked, Motor Vehicles tend to have decent oversight on them when it comes to sales and transfers.
But you're right. Weed is much more dangerous than a gun, that's why it's illegal, right? We should absolutely ensure that anyone with weed is jailed.

[Back]

Is anyone really surprised at this? You can't keep talking about killing people for their politics and not think this is going to happen.

Looks like it's a guy from the alt left that did the shooting. Piece of shit, hope he lives so he can rot in jail.

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[everan]

Pretty defeatist attitude. Why outlaw murder if people are going to just do it anyway, even if it's illegal, right? Last I checked, Motor Vehicles tend to have decent oversight on them when it comes to sales and transfers.
That isn't really the point. We just don't need additional laws to declare that murder is illegal. Why is a murder more murderous if it's a hate crime, for example? If someone kills me because I'm white they should get the same penalty as if they killed me because they hate gays.

I don't really know what to think of gun control. I don't own a gun, and don't expect that I ever will, but I don't see any reason why law abiding citizens shouldn't own them. On the other hand, I don't think that anyone who has been diagnosed with a serious mental illness (not just depression) should have the same unfettered access as someone who has shown themselves to be a fine upstanding member of society. And I don't think you should be able to sell guns at flea markets to avoid background checks.

[Back]

That isn't really the point. We just don't need additional laws to declare that murder is illegal. Why is a murder more murderous if it's a hate crime, for example? If someone kills me because I'm white they should get the same penalty as if they killed me because they hate gays.

I don't really know what to think of gun control. I don't own a gun, and don't expect that I ever will, but I don't see any reason why law abiding citizens shouldn't own them. On the other hand, I don't think that anyone who has been diagnosed with a serious mental illness (not just depression) should have the same unfettered access as someone who has shown themselves to be a fine upstanding member of society. And I don't think you should be able to sell guns at flea markets to avoid background checks.

To further those thoughts that I agree with... despite this shooter's political leanings he had a record of abusive behavior that should have prevented him from arming himself to the teeth. I doubt you'll hear anyone say to abolish guns completely just put more restrictions on ownership. It's just responsible.

[hello]

Hmm, interestingly he was doing fairly well for himself, owned his own business and had no serious run in with the law. I just think there are crazies on both sides of the spectrum.

[Androidpk]

Like PB said, who gets to determine who is crazy? How can someone get diagnosed as crazy if they never see a doctor? Do we solve this by forcing people to get mental checkups? Laughable..

[Kembal]

That isn't really the point. We just don't need additional laws to declare that murder is illegal. Why is a murder more murderous if it's a hate crime, for example? If someone kills me because I'm white they should get the same penalty as if they killed me because they hate gays.


I believe the hate crime enhancement is to ensure that it gets treated as a first degree murder, even if it wasn't premeditated. I don't know that for sure, but believe that's the case.

[Kembal]

Like PB said, who gets to determine who is crazy? How can someone get diagnosed as crazy if they never see a doctor? Do we solve this by forcing people to get mental checkups? Laughable..

Choice isn't binary. Can enhance databases, reporting mechanisms, and screening methods without making it mandatory for everyone to get mental health checkups. Won't get everyone, obviously, but will cut down on gun access for those not mentally stable.

Has there been a indication on how he got his gun yet? Wasn't clear if recent purchase or if it had been owned for a long time.

[hello]

Plus, dude could buy the gun and turn crazy over several years. How do you stop that? Annual mandatory psych exams for gun owners?

[Tgo01]

I see the excuses are already flying in this thread.

There's no such thing as the alt-left!

He was just crazy!

The problem is guns!

Don't use this tragedy to further your agenda!

Democrats have been a violent bunch of thugs since November 8th. SOME Democrats. I forget how easily offended some people are.

They have been calling for open violence against people they disagree with. They make plays, music videos, and "art" depicting murdering our president.

But do we blame any of this violent rhetoric for this shit? Of course not. The problem is guns.

Remember when Palin was supposedly to blame for Gabby Giffords because she used crosshairs to indicate which seats Republicans needed to win? Even though the shooter really was "crazy" and hated Giffords long before Plain entered the national spotlight, much less her crosshairs map, of which of course there is no evidence suggesting the shooter was even aware of the crosshairs image.

But facts are for suckers! Let's get back to taking away our second amendment rights!

[hello]

Scalise is critical. I don't want to turn things political during this hour, but the situation changes drastically if he dies. Since 1789 only 14 Congressmen have died to someone trying to intentionally do harm. Number is 0 during modern times short of a plane being shot down (which wasn't directly intended to kill the congressman, just coincidence).

[everan]

But facts are for suckers! Let's get back to taking away our second amendment rights!
The real issue is violent games! Ban Gemstone!!

[Androidpk]

I see the excuses are already flying in this thread.

There's no such thing as the alt-left!

Politifact and Snopes said so!

[tyrant-201]

Politifact and Snopes said so!

Your conservitard fanboy shit is getting real old.

[Ardwen]

How is the number zero in modern times when one was murdered prior to Jonestown

[Tgo01]

Your conservitard fanboy shit is getting real old.

Someone sounds jealous.

[Whirlin]

Someone sounds jealous.
You should ban him from Dreavenings.

[tyrant-201]

Someone sounds jealous.

Totally.

Also stop being such a racist and slavery advocate!

[Androidpk]

Your conservitard fanboy shit is getting real old.

either put me on ignore or stop bitching like a little bitch

[Tgo01]

Totally.

Also stop being such a racist and slavery advocate!

And the jealousy continues.

[Latrinsorm]

There is. You just don't see it because you are a die hard member. You think those crazy fucks are normal.

I'm not surprised at all that the first thing the Alt Lefties do is blame guns instead of their rhetoric.

At all.The term alt right was popularized by those to whom it applies, and additionally does not mean radical rightist, violent rightist, or "crazy" rightist. Like calling then President Bush a fascist, the misuse of this terminology only serves to make you look uninformed.
That isn't really the point. We just don't need additional laws to declare that murder is illegal. Why is a murder more murderous if it's a hate crime, for example?Because we want to deter people from committing those crimes even more than we do other murders, because the bigotry that inspires them has corrosive effects on society even when it does not result in murder.
If someone kills me because I'm white they should get the same penalty as if they killed me because they hate gays.Racial hate crimes (including white) are more covered than sexuality hate crimes at the state level. At the federal level they're all covered equally, of course. Thanks a lot, Obama!
Like PB said, who gets to determine who is crazy? How can someone get diagnosed as crazy if they never see a doctor? Do we solve this by forcing people to get mental checkups? Laughable..People laughed at the whole concept of mental health a hundred years ago. Things change.

[Fortybox]

Totally.

Also stop being such a racist and slavery advocate!

Tgo is well qualified to analyze this shooter.

[Tgo01]

Tgo is well qualified to analyze this shooter.

Agreed.

My official determination; not literally batshit crazy, but batshit crazy. He was a liberal so that kind of goes without saying.

[drauz]

The term alt right was popularized by those to whom it applies, and additionally does not mean radical rightist, violent rightist, or "crazy" rightist. Like calling then President Bush a fascist, the misuse of this terminology only serves to make you look uninformed.

Why does who came up with the term have any bearing? There very clearly is a portion of the Democratic party that holds ideals that are different from the mainstream Democratic ideals, much like the alt-right does for conservatives. Who coined the term has zero bearing and is just a distraction tactic.

That being said, I'm sorry it happened and hope everyone can make a full recovery. Blaming the gun for the murder is like blaming the spoon for you getting fat. We have very serious mental health concerns in the US and it doesn't seem like either side actually wants to solve it. It is as Fallen said a catch 22 with regards to limited gun sales. Neither side seems willing to budge, so nothing gets done.

Off the top of my head the best idea I have is something akin to vehicle safety inspections, where once a year (and before purchasing a gun) you have to visit a trained mental health specialist to undergo a screening. This would have to be a protected database like the census and can only be accessed by certain individuals with heavy penalties for unauthorized information releases.

[Parkbandit]

Look how ready PB is to use this situation to prove some sort of political point. The guy is a crazy old white dude, this is not part of some vast 'alt-left' liberal conspiracy. These types of people can unfortunately come from all walks of life, political ideologies or religious backgrounds. Pointing fingers only serves to break the divide even wider, let's talk about how we treat people with opposing views like human beings again.

He didn't shoot these people because he was white.

He didn't shoot these people because he is old.

He shot these people because his side lost the last election.

Crazy? Yes. Anyone who would do this is automatically crazy. Add on his alt leftist ideals and it's no wonder this happened.

[Whirlin]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/746022114042478592

[Androidpk]

He didn't shoot these people because he was white.

He didn't shoot these people because he is old.

He shot these people because his side lost the last election.

Crazy? Yes. Anyone who would do this is automatically crazy. Add on his alt leftist ideals and it's no wonder this happened.

What if he just really really hated baseball?

[Gelston]

What if he just really really hated baseball?

He specifically asked if it was Republicans or Democrats practicing though.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/746022114042478592

A few things to say about this, since I see a lot of leftists retweeting this:

A) Are you saying this shooting was justified?
B) Are you saying our government has become "tyrannical"?
C) Are you blaming this on Rand Paul?

Something tells me when Rand Paul said that he had something like Nazi Germany or the old Soviet Russia in mind. He didn't mean a bunch of Congresspeople getting ready to play a baseball game to raise money for charity. But facts! Let's not let those get in the way!

[Androidpk]

He specifically asked if it was Republicans or Democrats practicing though.

I know, and which party likes baseball more than the other? derp

[Latrinsorm]

Why does who came up with the term have any bearing?Because if a person asks you to call them alt-right (or any other label), we can be reasonably certain you aren't inventing an erroneous label for them. If President Bush asked to be called a fascist, no one could complain when people called him a fascist. But he didn't. So I did, just like I'm complaining now. Words have meanings. To wit:
There very clearly is a portion of the Democratic party that holds ideals that are different from the mainstream Democratic ideals, much like the alt-right does for conservatives. Who coined the term has zero bearing and is just a distraction tactic.That is not now and has never been what the term alt-right means. This is why who coined the term and what they explicitly said it means has complete bearing on the subject.

[Gelston]

I know, and which party likes baseball more than the other? derp

Republicans are the more American party, I agree. These dirty leftists will probably poison apple pies next.

[Tgo01]

Republicans are the more American party, I agree. These dirty leftists will probably poison apple pies next.

They have already deemed the national anthem racist and I've seen a smattering of whining about the pledge, I'm sure that's next to go.

Next up will be our national motto.

In Allah we trust!

[Latrinsorm]

A few things to say about this, since I see a lot of leftists retweeting this:

A) Are you saying this shooting was justified?
B) Are you saying our government has become "tyrannical"?
C) Are you blaming this on Rand Paul?

Something tells me when Rand Paul said that he had something like Nazi Germany or the old Soviet Russia in mind. He didn't mean a bunch of Congresspeople getting ready to play a baseball game to raise money for charity. But facts! Let's not let those get in the way!
Democrats have been a violent bunch of thugs since November 8th. SOME Democrats. I forget how easily offended some people are.

They have been calling for open violence against people they disagree with. They make plays, music videos, and "art" depicting murdering our president.

But do we blame any of this violent rhetoric for this shit? Of course not.hmm.......

[Androidpk]

Republicans are the more American party, I agree. These dirty leftists will probably poison apple pies next.

they're coming for your beer next

[Gelston]

they're coming for your beer next

Not my Yeungling!

[Tgo01]

hmm.......

Yes?

[drauz]

Because if a person asks you to call them alt-right (or any other label), we can be reasonably certain you aren't inventing an erroneous label for them. If President Bush asked to be called a fascist, no one could complain when people called him a fascist. But he didn't. So I did, just like I'm complaining now. Words have meanings. To wit:That is not now and has never been what the term alt-right means. This is why who coined the term and what they explicitly said it means has complete bearing on the subject.

Who do you think coined the term alt-right? What do you think alt-right means? Do you think it started as this?

[Back]

He didn't shoot these people because he was white.

He didn't shoot these people because he is old.

He shot these people because his side lost the last election.

Crazy? Yes. Anyone who would do this is automatically crazy. Add on his alt leftist ideals and it's no wonder this happened.


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[~Rocktar~]

Yeah...there's no such thing as the alt left.

But I think it's fascinating that you've decided the problem here is liberalism, not, say, guns.

So you agree that the extreme fanatic Left is indeed an accurate representative of Liberal positions?

[tyrant-201]

So you agree that the extreme fanatic Left is indeed an accurate representative of Liberal positions?

God I hope not.

Whether any of you want to believe it or not, there are pro 2nd amendment, Anti-SJW/PC'ness liberals still out there.

[Parkbandit]

Choice isn't binary. Can enhance databases, reporting mechanisms, and screening methods without making it mandatory for everyone to get mental health checkups. Won't get everyone, obviously, but will cut down on gun access for those not mentally stable.

Has there been a indication on how he got his gun yet? Wasn't clear if recent purchase or if it had been owned for a long time.

Never been convicted of a felony.. so I'm not sure how he would have been flagged for not being able to get a gun.

He was clearly distraught and upset over the past election.. not sure that should be a mental state indicator.. but maybe it should.

[tyrant-201]

Never been convicted of a felony.. so I'm not sure how he would have been flagged for not being able to get a gun.

He was clearly distraught and upset over the past election.. not sure that should be a mental state indicator.. but maybe it should.

I still am distraught about it. I mean Trump or Hillary? What kind of choice is that.

[Latrinsorm]

Who do you think coined the term alt-right? What do you think alt-right means? Do you think it started as this?The people who popularized the term alt-right did so because it's a heck of a lot easier to sell than neo-Nazi or white supremacist. That's why the label has such negative connotations, and that's why people on the right are trying so hard to invent the term alt-left, because there can be no criticism in American politics without the criticized side saying "but what about YOUR side???" Again, look at the source of the term. Alt-right people ask to be (and often insist on being) called that. Alt-left is a label attributed to people, not by people.

[Latrinsorm]

Yes?Democrats use violent rhetoric. Violence occurs in the form described by said rhetoric. Terrence Gunderson Olivier angrily criticizes those who do not hold said rhetoricians accountable.
Republicans use violent rhetoric. Violence occurs in the form described by said rhetoric. Terrence Gunderson Olivier angrily criticizes those who do hold said rhetoricians accountable.

[Tgo01]

Democrats use violent rhetoric. Violence occurs in the form described by said rhetoric. Terrence Gunderson Olivier angrily criticizes those who do not hold said rhetoricians accountable.
Republicans use violent rhetoric. Violence occurs in the form described by said rhetoric. Terrence Gunderson Olivier angrily criticizes those who do hold said rhetoricians accountable.

Your false equivalences should be considered crimes against humanity.

[drauz]

The people who popularized the term alt-right did so because it's a heck of a lot easier to sell than neo-Nazi or white supremacist. That's why the label has such negative connotations, and that's why people on the right are trying so hard to invent the term alt-left, because there can be no criticism in American politics without the criticized side saying "but what about YOUR side???" Again, look at the source of the term. Alt-right people ask to be (and often insist on being) called that. Alt-left is a label attributed to people, not by people.

You answered none of my questions, why reply at all?

[Parkbandit]

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Literally, the most intelligent Post you ever made.

Ever.

[Neveragain]

Pretty defeatist attitude. Why outlaw murder if people are going to just do it anyway, even if it's illegal, right? Last I checked, Motor Vehicles tend to have decent oversight on them when it comes to sales and transfers.
But you're right. Weed is much more dangerous than a gun, that's why it's illegal, right? We should absolutely ensure that anyone with weed is jailed.

Come on Whirlin I expected a better argument from you.

1. You are confusing a criminal act (murder) with owning a gun. No crime has been committed by simply owning a gun.

2. We have no protected right to driving a vehicle.

3. I love weed. How is it possible for me to get it when it's illegal? (i'm not arguing if it's retarded that it's illegal)

[hello]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHM73eJCa7k

Sad that I can recognize by gunshot all the weapons that were fired in this vid.

[Fortybox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHM73eJCa7k

Sad that I can recognize by gunshot all the weapons that were fired in this vid.

That was a very nice humble brag.

[Gelston]

That was a very nice humble brag.

He doesn't know. I bet he doesn't even know the rifle used.

[cwolff]

I've noticed that the news has changed how they report on these things. I had to Google search to find out about what weapons were used and only found that its some civilian version of an M4. I googled it because the msm I view all keep referring to it only as a rifle.

Anyone else notice that too?

[hello]

He doesn't know. I bet he doesn't even know the rifle used.

Gelston doing "pull ups"...

http://static.damnlol.com/pics/455/2315bd0c8ce6d412f3e5edfd5495c493.gif

[Gelston]

I've noticed that the news has changed how they report on these things. I had to Google search to find out about what weapons were used and only found that its some civilian version of an M4. I googled it because the msm I view all keep referring to it only as a rifle.

Anyone else notice that too?

I have it on fairly decent authority it is a weapon model from the '40s. They said M4 like officially, that is basically just saying it has rifle with a detachable magazine.

[Androidpk]

I have it on fairly decent authority it is a weapon model from the '40s. They said M4 like officially, that is basically just saying it has rifle with a detachable magazine.

Jesus.. how many shells did he fire? Did it have one of those shoulder things that goes up? Was it black?

[Gelston]

Jesus.. how many shells did he fire? Did it have one of those shoulder things that goes up? Was it black?

A lot less than the survivors are saying. They also said the shooting lasted 10 minutes, but they are people freaking out, it lasted about 3 minutes. They are saying "50-100" rounds were heard...Perhaps 50 or slightly less, but again, that counts the rounds fired by the Capitol Police back at him.

[cwolff]

I found this but it is difficult to get a straight answer from the news about the weapons. Usually they love possible AR sightings.


Rep. Mike Conaway, R-Texas, said he saw what appeared to be a AR-15 lying in the grass after the shooting. The assailant's other gun looked like a 9mm pistol, he said.

[Gelston]

I found this but it is difficult to get a straight answer from the news about the weapons. Usually they love possible AR sightings.

Because they don't actually know what the fuck it is. It is an older model of weapon.

[Back]

Is anyone really surprised at this? You can't keep talking about killing people for their politics and not think this is going to happen.

Looks like it's a guy from the alt left that did the shooting. Piece of shit, hope he lives so he can rot in jail.

You really surprised me. I thought you were more mature than to jump straight to finger-pointing, divisive, us vs. them politics over this tragedy. Your initial reaction is certainly very emotionally charged and based on fear. It's a gut reaction to a perceived fear like how people jump out of bed so the boogey-man hiding underneath it does not grab their ankle.

What is becoming more evident about this "mass shooting" behavior is that it is tied to domestic violence. If we can pinpoint that as being a strong indicator of that kind of behavior then we can start to limit these types of people's access to guns in hopes of preventing these incidents from happening.

[Neveragain]

What is becoming more evident about this "mass shooting" behavior is that it is tied to domestic violence. If we can pinpoint that as being a strong indicator of that kind of behavior then we can start to limit these types of people's access to guns in hopes of preventing these incidents from happening.

We already do check for that. You can't purchase a firearm if you have a past record of domestic violence.

[hello]

Wouldn't work, I know gunsmiths that can build m249 LMG's with STANAG clips if the price is right. This country will never run out of guns; this is where the stork delivers all the baby guns.

[Back]

We already do check for that. You can't purchase a firearm if you have a past record of domestic violence.

Well obviously we did not do a good enough job if this guy was able to legally own a gun.

[Neveragain]

Wouldn't work, I know gunsmiths that can build m249 LMG's with STANAG clips if the price is right. This country will never run out of guns; this is where the stork delivers all the baby guns.

Hell you can make a gun out of a radio antenna and a rubber band.

[Neveragain]

Well obviously we did not do a good enough job if this guy was able to legally own a gun.

So more laws did nothing to stop it?

[Back]

So more laws did nothing to stop it?

I think if it saves lives we need to think about how to prevent it. Whatever it takes. Thats just me though.

And this guy was a domestic terrorist. Just like any other shooter anywhere in the world. Violence is not a political party it is the language of terror.

[Neveragain]

I think if it saves lives we need to think about how to prevent it. Whatever it takes. Thats just me though.

And this guy was a domestic terrorist. Just like any other shooter anywhere in the world. Violence is not a political party it is the language of terror.

Oh he was a terrorist all right, one that espoused the very same talking points the media has been spewing.

[Back]

Oh he was a terrorist all right, one that espoused the very same talking points the media has been spewing.

Or was he inspired by what everyone espouses about the Second Amendment?

One thing is certain: he was sick individual acting on his own.

[Taernath]

Or was he inspired by what everyone espouses about the Second Amendment?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxjinfEPLo&t=105s

@1:45

[Gelston]

Wouldn't work, I know gunsmiths that can build m249 LMG's with STANAG clips if the price is right. This country will never run out of guns; this is where the stork delivers all the baby guns.

Know how I know you're a non shooting ass motherfucker?

[Ardwen]

One serious comment, PB decried this so called alt-left attacker, he damned well better decry every alt-right white supremacist racist bigot action from now on, because theres a damned hell of a lot of them he sure never mentions.

[Taernath]

Know how I know you're a non shooting ass motherfucker?

How are you gonna focus on that and not how the 249 has always accepted 30 round magazines?

[Gelston]

How are you gonna focus on that and not how the 249 has always accepted 30 round magazines?

I just figured he was being redundant.

[Gelston]

And the FBI has released the caliber of the rifle, 7.62.

[Taernath]

It was an SKS.

[Gelston]

It was an SKS.

If it was...


I have it on fairly decent authority it is a weapon model from the '40s. They said M4 like officially, that is basically just saying it has rifle with a detachable magazine.

My sweet source was right.

And fitting, using a commie rifle.

[Androidpk]

If it was...



My sweet source was right.

And fitting, using a commie rifle.

Great, now they're gonna take all our Acks and Escay Esses.

[Gelston]

Great, now they're gonna take all our Acks and Escay Esses.

Well, the thing with SKS is that they don't have detachable magazines. All those mag laws in California? Yeah, they wouldn't have done shit here. It loads from a stripper clip directly into the rifle like a M1 Garande.

[cwolff]

Well, the thing with SKS is that they don't have detachable magazines. All those mag laws in California? Yeah, they wouldn't have done shit here. It loads from a stripper clip directly into the rifle like a M1 Garande.

Interesting. He's a cheap terrorist. LOL

A solid assault weapons ban would have done something, even where magazine laws fail. Just pointing that out...not advocating.

[Gelston]

Interesting. He's a cheap terrorist. LOL

A solid assault weapons ban would have done something, even where magazine laws fail. Just pointing that out...not advocating.

The SKS isn't an assault rifle and wasn't, and wouldn't have been covered. It is a rifle that hold 10 rounds and can only fire semi-auto.

Banning this would be the same as banning just about any hunting rifle that exists.

This is an SKS, the Soviets used them in WW2.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/SKS_-_Ryssland_-_AM.045810.jpg/1200px-SKS_-_Ryssland_-_AM.045810.jpg

[cwolff]

Sure its an assault rifle. Unless you're Hmong, then its a deer/hunter hunting rifle.

Keep in mind, "assault rifle" can be defined anyway enough legislators agree to define it.

[Gelston]

Sure its an assault rifle. Unless you're Hmong, then its a deer/hunter hunting rifle.

Keep in mind, "assault rifle" can be defined anyway enough legislators agree to define it.

This isn't defined under any of their definitions. Pistol grip, detachable magazine? This has neither of those.

[cwolff]

Isn't there some language about bayonets? It was created for the Soviet military and replaced by the AK47. It is definitely not a rifle made for sportsmen. Its made for shooting humans.

[Taernath]

This isn't defined under any of their definitions. Pistol grip, detachable magazine? This has neither of those.

It has a bayonet lug.

"Assault rifle" and "assault-style rifle" are becoming conflated in the public consciousness though.

[Gelston]

Isn't there some language about bayonets? It was created for the Soviet military and replaced by the AK47. It is definitely not a rifle made for sportsmen. Its made for shooting humans.

Most rifles are made for shooting humans or based on rifles made for shooting humans. Kentucky rifles did this to great effect in the Revolutionary war. It still isn't an assault rifle.


It has a bayonet lug.

"Assault rifle" and "assault-style rifle" are becoming conflated in the public consciousness though.

And this is neither of those. Bayonet lug is one of several things. As the Government likes to say "assault weapons"... This isn't one of those. It never fell under any bans. Pistol grip, high capacity detachable magazine, and select fire are generally named.

Hell, this gun isn't even black!

[cwolff]

Ya, you're right about the definitions. I'm kind of looking at the spirit of the laws or wannabe laws.

[Gelston]

Ya, you're right about the definitions. I'm kind of looking at the spirit of the laws or wannabe laws.

By your idea of the "spirit of the law" there wouldn't be any rifles left.

[Taernath]

And this is neither of those. Bayonet lug is one of several things. As the Government likes to say "assault weapons"... This isn't one of those. It never fell under any bans. Pistol grip, high capacity detachable magazine, and select fire are generally named.

Hell, this gun isn't even black!

I know it's not an "assault rifle", but "assault-style" is a new(er) term that's becoming more and more popular and has a legal definition. As stupid as the term is, that SKS is considered to be "assault-style".

Bayonet lugs were specifically named as being illegal under the 1994 ban. Hell, the one pictured even has the bayonet still on it!

[Gelston]

I know it's not an "assault rifle", but "assault-style" is a new(er) term that's becoming more and more popular and has a legal definition. As stupid as the term is, that SKS is considered to be "assault-style".

Bayonet lugs were specifically named as being a feature. Hell, the one pictured even has the bayonet on it!

Sweet, then black powder rifles from the 1700s are assault style too.

I see Assault Weapons, but no assault style definitions. Yes, it mentions a bayonet lug in it, but it isn't considered one just due to a bayonet lug. A pistol grip + bayonet lug would be one, or a High Capacity Mag + Lug would be, but not none of those and just a lug.

[Gelston]

Apparently the UPS shooter was armed with an assault pistol though, so whatever.

[tyrant-201]

Sweet, then black powder rifles from the 1700s are assault style too.

I see Assault Weapons, but no assault style definitions. Yes, it mentions a bayonet lug in it, but it isn't considered one just due to a bayonet lug. A pistol grip + bayonet lug would be one, or a High Capacity Mag + Lug would be, but not none of those and just a lug.

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about

[Taernath]

Ah yeah it needs 2 doesn't it? But that's not the actual weapon used in the senate shooting, is it?

[cwolff]

Apparently the UPS shooter was armed with an assault pistol though, so whatever.

Hahaha. It wasn't a duck pistol?

[Gelston]

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about

Uh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. it generally requires a High Capacity detachable mag and 1 or 2 other characteristics. But please, instead of being a one comment retard like you always are, expand on what I am saying wrong.


Ah yeah it needs 2 doesn't it? But that's not the actual weapon used in the senate shooting, is it?

No, that was just a stock picture of a Soviet WW2 SKS. He actually had a Type 56, Chinese version. It didn't have the bayonet built in as far as I know.

[Taernath]

Well, the thing with SKS is that they don't have detachable magazines. All those mag laws in California? Yeah, they wouldn't have done shit here. It loads from a stripper clip directly into the rifle like a M1 Garande.

There are tacticool variants too.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/molot_modern_sks-tfb.jpg

[Gelston]

There are tacticool variants too.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/molot_modern_sks-tfb.jpg

Yeah, you can mod them into that, and that one could be called an assault rifle without much protest... I'd imagine if it was like that one though, the media would be happily calling it a modified SKS with high capacity mag and what not though.

[tyrant-201]

No, that was just a stock picture of a Soviet WW2 SKS. He actually had a Type 56, Chinese version. It didn't have the bayonet built in as far as I know.

Wrong. Clearly you've never served.

[Gelston]

Wrong. Clearly you've never served.

Alright hello.

[Parkbandit]

One serious comment, PB decried this so called alt-left attacker, he damned well better decry every alt-right white supremacist racist bigot action from now on, because theres a damned hell of a lot of them he sure never mentions.

Damned well better? Or what? Bitch, please.

When was the last alt right attacker that took shots at a Congressman BECAUSE he was a Liberal?

[tyrant-201]

Alright hello.

:(

[Ardwen]

Nah they just murder innocent people instead. I'd make a list but I don't have the years it would take.

[Tgo01]

Nah they just murder innocent people instead.

Implying the congresspeople who were shot were not innocent?

[Ardwen]

Odds of any politician of any party being totally innocent are next to nil. The two security folks however are likely mostly innocent. Of course the lobbyist is likely even more guilty then the congressman.

[Parkbandit]

Nah they just murder innocent people instead. I'd make a list but I don't have the years it would take.

So you can't come up with an alt right person attempting to kill a liberal politician because they were a liberal.

Shocker.

It's funny.. reading some of the shit on this guys social media and wondering why people didn't report him for being completely unstable... there's probably 6-7 people here who sound just as unstable.

[tyrant-201]

So you can't come up with an alt right person attempting to kill a liberal politician because they were a liberal.

Shocker.

It's funny.. reading some of the shit on this guys social media and wondering why people didn't report him for being completely unstable... there's probably 6-7 people here who sound just as unstable.

Count yourself amongst them, please.

[Ardwen]

So your saying shooting civilians doesn't matter just politicians?

[Parkbandit]

Count yourself amongst them, please.

Hilarious coming from you.

[Tgo01]

Count yourself amongst them, please.

I see your faux outrage only extends to pieces of shit being called a rapist. Republicans being gunned down because they are Republicans and liberals downplaying the shit out of it? Let's attack Republicans!

[tyrant-201]

I see your faux outrage only extends to pieces of shit being called a rapist. Republicans being gunned down because they are Republicans and liberals downplaying the shit out of it? Let's attack Republicans!

What the fuck are you talking about? I do not support anyone attacking anyone. R or D, doesn't matter.

That clear enough for you?

[Tgo01]

What the fuck are you talking about? I do not support anyone attacking anyone. R or D, doesn't matter.

That clear enough for you?

Calm down, snowflake.

[tyrant-201]

:'(

[Fortybox]

Hilarious coming from you.

Got to admit, you walked right into that one.

[Taernath]

So you can't come up with an alt right person attempting to kill a liberal politician because they were a liberal.

Do they have to be liberal politicians or just liberals in general?

[Fortybox]

:'(

He's still butthurt.

[drauz]

It has a bayonet lug.

"Assault rifle" and "assault-style rifle" are becoming conflated in the public consciousness though.

I think a lot of the confusion comes from people thinkg AR-15 stands for assault rifle.

[Gelston]

So your saying shooting civilians doesn't matter just politicians?

You're*

[Neveragain]

It was an SKS.

Now it makes sense why his aim was so shitty.

[Gelston]

Now it makes sense why his aim was so shitty.

You have a rifle, you have ammo. When the person in front of you dies, you pick up his rifle.

[Neveragain]

You have a rifle, you have ammo. When the person in front of you dies, you pick up his rifle.

Right?

He was what, 50 yards or so away from his targets? Oh my god, are we sure this wasn't the DragonLord from the mystical forest?

[Parkbandit]

So your saying shooting civilians doesn't matter just politicians?


Yea, you nailed it. The history of my posts here clearly show how much I adore politicians above all other people..............

We are discussing someone killing people BECAUSE of the political party they belong to. Care to join us?

[Fortybox]

Now it makes sense why his aim was so shitty.

He received his marksmanship training from storm troopers. Liberals fail at everything.

[hello]

Are Conservatives Dumber Than Liberals?

It depends on how you define "conservative." The research shows classical liberals/libertarians are smartest of all.

Ronald Bailey | June 13, 2014

Conservatives exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do. Or that's what it says in the social science literature, anyway. A 2010 study using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82. Similarly, when a 2009 study correlated cognitive capacity with political beliefs among 1,254 community college students and 1,600 foreign students seeking entry to U.S. universities, it found that conservatism is "related to low performance on cognitive ability tests." In 2012, a paper reported that people endorse more conservative views when drunk or under cognitive pressure; it concluded that "political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought."

So have social scientists really proved that conservatives are dumber than liberals? It depends crucially on how you define "conservative."

For an inkling of what some social scientists think conservatives believe, parse a 2008 study by the University of Nevada at Reno sociologist Markus Kemmelmeier. To probe the political and social beliefs of nearly 7,000 undergraduates at an elite university, Kemmelmeier devised a set of six questions asking whether abortion, same-sex marriage, and gay sex should be legal, whether handguns and racist/sexist speech on campus should be banned, and whether higher taxes should be imposed on the wealthy. The first three were supposed to measure the students' views of "conservative gender roles," and the second set was supposed to gauge their "anti-regulation" beliefs. Kemmelmeier clearly thought that "liberals" would tend to be OK with legal abortion, same-sex marriage, and gay sex, and would opt to ban handguns and offensive speech and to tax the rich. Conservatives would supposedly hold the opposite views.


Savvy readers may recognize a problem with using these questions to sort people into just two ideological categories. And sure enough, Kemmelmeier got some results that puzzled him. He found that students who held more traditional views on gender and sex roles averaged lower on their verbal SAT and Achievement Test scores. "Surprisingly," he continued, this was not true of students with anti-regulation attitudes. With them, "all else being equal, more conservative respondents scored higher than more liberal respondents." Kemmelmeier ruefully notes that "this result was not anticipated" and "diametrically contradicts" the hypothesis that conservatism is linked to lower cognitive ability. Kemmelmeier is so evidently lost in the intellectual fog of contemporary progressivism that he does not realize that his questionnaire is impeccably designed to identify classical liberals, a.k.a. libertarians, who endorse liberty in both the social and economic realms.

So how smart are libertarians compared to liberals and conservatives? In a May 2014 study in the journal Intelligence, the Oxford sociologist Noah Carl attempts to answer to that question. Because research has "consistently shown that intelligence is positively correlated with socially liberal beliefs and negatively correlated with religious beliefs," Carl suggests that in the American political context, social scientists would expect Republicans to be less intelligent than Democrats. Instead, Republicans have slightly higher verbal intelligence scores (2–5 IQ points) than Democrats. How could that be?

Carl begins by pointing out that there is data suggesting that a segment of the American population holding classical liberal beliefs tends to vote Republican. Classical liberals, Carl notes, believe that an individual should be free to make his own lifestyle choices and to enjoy the profits derived from voluntary transactions with others. He proposes that intelligence actually correlates with classically liberal beliefs.

To test this hypothesis, Carl uses data on political attitudes and intelligence derived from the General Social Survey, which has been administered to representative samples of American adults every couple of years since 1972. Using GSS data, respondents are classified on a continuum ranging from strong Republican through independent to strong Democrat. Carl then creates a measure of socially liberal beliefs based on respondents' attitudes toward homosexuality, marijuana consumption, abortion, and free speech for communists, racists, and advocates for military dictatorship. He similarly probes liberal economic views, with an assessment of attitudes toward government provision of jobs, industry subsidies, income redistribution, price controls, labor unions, and military spending. Verbal Intelligence is evaluated using the GSS WORDSUM test results.

Comparing strong Republicans with strong Democrats, Carl finds that Republicans have a 5.48 IQ point advantage over Democrats. Broadening party affiliation to include moderate to merely leaning respondents still results in a Republican advantage of 3.47 IQ points and 2.47 IQ points respectively. Carl reconciles his findings with the social science literature that reports that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives by proposing that Americans with classically liberal beliefs are even smarter. Carl further reports that those who endorse both social conservatism and economic statism also have lower verbal IQ scores.

"Overall, my findings suggest that higher intelligence among classically liberal Republicans compensates for lower intelligence among socially conservative Republicans," concludes Carl. If the dumb, I mean socially conservative, Republicans keep disrespecting us classical liberals, we'll take our IQ points and go home.

As gratifying as Carl's research findings are, it is still a deep puzzle to me why it apparently takes high intelligence to understand that the government should stay out of both the bedroom and the boardroom.

[jtyler]

As gratifying as Carl's research findings are, it is still a deep puzzle to me why it apparently takes high intelligence to understand that the government should stay out of both the bedroom and the boardroom.

Probably because both are seemingly easy and obvious fixes

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0bS95mSZ44

[Latrinsorm]

Your false equivalences should be considered crimes against humanity.I'm glad you've learned a new term. This is a nice changeup from your other transparently obvious defense mechanisms.
You answered none of my questions, why reply at all?I explicitly answered your last two questions. I said popularized instead of coined which is definitely a gloss but then again what I said first was popularized, and you framed me as saying who came up with, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[~Rocktar~]

You have a rifle, you have ammo. When the person in front of you dies, you pick up his rifle.


https://youtu.be/KMjYNKED0U0

[SHAFT]

Calm down, snowflake.

I fucking LOVE snowflakes! You can build snowmen... make a slushy...

[~Rocktar~]

I fucking LOVE snowflakes! You can build snowmen... make a slushy...

Watch out where the sled dogs go and don't you eat that yeller snow.

[Parkbandit]

Still waiting for that list Ardwen. All those alt-righties going around and killing Democrats because they are Democrats.

So many.. should be so easy for you.

[SHAFT]

Still waiting for that list Ardwen. All those alt-righties going around and killing Democrats because they are Democrats.

So many.. should be so easy for you.

Ardwen doesn't take guff from swine.

[Methais]

Yeah...there's no such thing as the alt left.

But I think it's fascinating that you've decided the problem here is liberalism, not, say, guns.

You truly are the stupidest, most delusional, and most full of shit person to ever be on the internet.

[Gelston]

You truly are the stupidest, most delusional, and most full of shit person to ever be on the internet.

Hey I'm fine with that. It isn't the alt left. It is the regular left.

[Archigeek]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlawson/2017/02/09/is-there-such-a-thing-as-an-alt-left/#73c1b321386c

[Gelston]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlawson/2017/02/09/is-there-such-a-thing-as-an-alt-left/#73c1b321386c

So he is partially saying it doesn't exist because of how old the term is? Alt-right was once a new term too.

[Taernath]

Still waiting for that list Ardwen. All those alt-righties going around and killing Democrats because they are Democrats.

So many.. should be so easy for you.

Let's start with a single event and move on from there:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/couple-charged-with-assault-in-shooting-melee-during-uw-speech-by-milo-yiannopoulos/

[Archigeek]

So he is partially saying it doesn't exist because of how old the term is? Alt-right was once a new term too.

The main thing I got from the article was that he's saying the term is largely a product of the right who don't want to be associated with the term alt-right.

[Methais]

Not my Yeungling!

8659

[Gelston]

The main thing I got from the article was that he's saying the term is largely a product of the right who don't want to be associated with the term alt-right.

I'm fine with either term. I prefer it to just saying "the left". There are different ideologies and methods in the spectrum known as "the left". I don't know why anyone is offended by the term.

[Back]

It's people using it incorrectly thats an issue. People on the right who wanted to describe themselves as more extreme right came up with the term alt-right. We know these people as white supremacists. Now, in a rabid desire to demonize their perceived opponents, regular right people are trying to create an image of an extreme left, and call it alt-left. But there is no such thing. It is a fantasy boogeyman for people on the right to be afraid of and give them a reason to attack your average middle of the road person.

[Archigeek]

I'm fine with either term. I prefer it to just saying "the left". There are different ideologies and methods in the spectrum known as "the left". I don't know why anyone is offended by the term.

I think the author explains why he feels the right is using the term.

[Gelston]

It's people using it incorrectly thats an issue. People on the right who wanted to describe themselves as more extreme right came up with the term alt-right. We know these people as white supremacists. Now, in a rabid desire to demonize their perceived opponents, regular right people are trying to create an image of an extreme left, and call it alt-left. But there is no such thing. It is a fantasy boogeyman for people on the right to be afraid of and give them a reason to attack your average middle of the road person.

Okay, so the shooter is just a regular leftist and leftists as a whole are unstable folks who want to kill Republican lawmakers.


I think the author explains why he feels the right is using the term.

I'm aware. I was posting my thoughts on it.

[Parkbandit]

Let's start with a single event and move on from there:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/couple-charged-with-assault-in-shooting-melee-during-uw-speech-by-milo-yiannopoulos/

Do you believe that the 2 incidents are equal in scope?

[Parkbandit]

It's people using it incorrectly thats an issue. People on the right who wanted to describe themselves as more extreme right came up with the term alt-right. We know these people as white supremacists. Now, in a rabid desire to demonize their perceived opponents, regular right people are trying to create an image of an extreme left, and call it alt-left. But there is no such thing. It is a fantasy boogeyman for people on the right to be afraid of and give them a reason to attack your average middle of the road person.

What should we call the people on the extreme left then? I will henceforth allow you to name them.

[Parkbandit]

Okay, so the shooter is just a regular leftist and leftists as a whole are unstable folks who want to kill Republican lawmakers.


Precisely this.

I added the "alt" on it because they get so upset by it.

[Back]

Okay, so the shooter is just a regular leftist and leftists as a whole are unstable folks who want to kill Republican lawmakers.

Incorrect. The shooter was insane. I mean really mentally unstable.

[Gelston]

Incorrect. The shooter was insane. I mean really mentally unstable.

Of course he was, he supported Bernie Sanders.

[Methais]

So your saying shooting civilians doesn't matter just politicians?

Hey man that's not his saying. Nobody has a monopoly on any saying. Except Mr. T.

[everan]

Incorrect. The shooter was insane. I mean really mentally unstable.

Exactly this. Most of this stuff isn't alt anything, it's just plain mental health issues. It isn't guns; it isn't alt; it isn't religion; it's mental health. Do all of those other things exacerbate the problem? Absolutely, but misuse of an item by someone who isn't stable isn't a reason to throw out the baby with the bath water (whatever that means exactly I'm not sure)


Of course he was, he supported Bernie Sanders.While this is funny, I would have voted for Bernie if he was the Dem candidate, although I would have expected very little of his agenda to be implemented. He was a pretty innocuous alternative.

[Taernath]

Do you believe that the 2 incidents are equal in scope?

You asked for examples of 'alt-rights killing democrats', but if you wanna move the goalposts I guess I can't stop you.

[Methais]

throw out the baby with the bath water (whatever that means exactly I'm not sure)

It would be like burning down your house to get rid of the spider you saw in the kitchen.

Unless it's this spider. Then it's perfectly acceptable.

http://i.imgur.com/C06rmwp.jpg?1

[Gelston]

It would be like burning down your house to get rid of the spider you saw in the kitchen.

Unless it's this spider. Then it's perfectly acceptable.

http://i.imgur.com/C06rmwp.jpg?1

I'd teach it to fetch.

[everan]

It would be like burning down your house to get rid of the spider you saw in the kitchen.

Unless it's this spider. Then it's perfectly acceptable.

http://i.imgur.com/C06rmwp.jpg?1

http://spectator.imgix.net/content/uploads/2015/06/Emoji.jpg?auto=compress,enhance,format&crop=faces,entropy,edges&fit=crop&w=620&h=413

[Parkbandit]

You asked for examples of 'alt-rights killing democrats', but if you wanna move the goalposts I guess I can't stop you.

No one died.

But I actually said this:


All those alt-righties going around and killing Democrats because they are Democrats.


Doesn't look like those two idiots went there specifically to kill Democrats. They went there to cause trouble, I'll give you that.

Not even in the same... ballpark.... of the alt-leftie though.

[~Rocktar~]

. . . throw out the baby with the bath water (whatever that means exactly I'm not sure)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_throw_the_baby_out_with_the_bathwater

[Latrinsorm]

What should we call the people on the extreme left then? I will henceforth allow you to name them.The extreme left.