Violence in Montana Politics!

[ClydeR]

Who is telling the truth -- the candidate or the reporter?


The Republican candidate for Montana’s congressional seat slammed a Guardian reporter to the floor on the eve of the state’s special election, breaking his glasses and shouting, “Get the hell out of here.”

More... (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/24/greg-gianforte-bodyslams-reporter-ben-jacobs-montana)




Here is a statement from candidate Gianforte..

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/rmi08a/gianforte-statement052417_zpsloxiricf.png
https://twitter.com/JoePerticone/status/867539075590488065




And here is audio from the event..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQwu4wff7lI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQwu4wff7lI

[Neveragain]

A state with such a vast amount of resources should not be in the situation Montana is in. That area of the state is like the front lines for the "culture war".

[Ardwen]

They have private rooms at barbecues in Montana?

[Warriorbird]

Somebody should link the Far Cry 5 trailer.

[~Rocktar~]

Hummmmm


Way back in June 2010, North Carolina Congressman Bob Etheridge, a seven-term elected Democrat, was asked by a student reporter if he supported the “Obama agenda.” Etheridge promptly attempted to grab the reporter’s cell phone camera, then grab the reporter’s wrist, demanding, “Who are you! Tell me who you are…I have a right to know who you are!” One of the student’s friends, who caught the incident on camera, said, “We’re just here for a project.” When the student in Etheridge’s grip asked to be released, Etheridge instead grabbed him by the neck.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16876/flashback-democratic-congressman-attacked-student-ben-shapiro

[Back]

Hummmmm



http://www.dailywire.com/news/16876/flashback-democratic-congressman-attacked-student-ben-shapiro

Neither is acceptable.

[Taernath]

Neither is acceptable.

Whataboutism is the default response for some posters here.

[drauz]

Neither is acceptable.

I think you are missing the point...

[Back]

I think you are missing the point...

Well that explains the point as clear as a muddy pond.

[Candor]

Neither is acceptable.

Yes.

[Candor]

Bozeman, Montana (CNN) Republican Greg Gianforte has won the special election for Montana's open US House seat, CNN projects, defeating Democrat Rob Quist and capping off a whirlwind final 36 hours of the campaign that saw Gianforte being charged for allegedly assaulting a reporter.

[time4fun]

Bozeman, Montana (CNN) Republican Greg Gianforte has won the special election for Montana's open US House seat, CNN projects, defeating Democrat Rob Quist and capping off a whirlwind final 36 hours of the campaign that saw Gianforte being charged for allegedly assaulting a reporter.

He won by 7 pts as of now (more votes to be counted though- there are like 5 people in all of Montana, and they always take forever to count their votes). Last House election, the Democrat lost by 15 points. Trump took Montana by 21 points.

There really was no doubt the GOP candidate was going to win, but the fact that it's been consistent with the other special elections- namely significant shifts to the left- is very bad news for the GOP in 2018. We're only 6 months out from the Nov election, and support for GOP candidates is plummeting- even in deeply red states.

[Parkbandit]

He won by 7 pts as of now (more votes to be counted though- there are like 5 people in all of Montana, and they always take forever to count their votes). Last House election, the Democrat lost by 15 points. Trump took Montana by 21 points.

There really was no doubt the GOP candidate was going to win, but the fact that it's been consistent with the other special elections- namely significant shifts to the left- is very bad news for the GOP in 2018. We're only 6 months out from the Nov election, and support for GOP candidates is plummeting- even in deeply red states.

No doubt? Really? Why did Democrats pour money into this race, you know.. if there was no doubt? Wouldn't that money be better spent elsewhere?

I do love the spin though. Your political prognostications are legendary at this point.

[time4fun]

No doubt? Really? Why did Democrats pour money into this race, you know.. if there was no doubt? Wouldn't that money be better spent elsewhere?

I do love the spin though. Your political prognostications are legendary at this point.

Wait- seriously?

You actually need someone to explain to you why Democrats pumped so much money into the only House race going on right now? Do you need me to explain to you why Republicans poured so much money into a race in a state that went for Trump by 21 points?

[Neveragain]

I'm totally for Democrats winning if it requires body slamming reporters. Geraldo should be next.

P.S. It's even more fun when the Democrats still lose.

[Parkbandit]

Wait- seriously?

You actually need someone to explain to you why Democrats pumped so much money into the only House race going on right now? Do you need me to explain to you why Republicans poured so much money into a race in a state that went for Trump by 21 points?

Yes. Please explain why the Democrats would pump so much money into a house race you said that there was "no doubt" the GOP candidate was going to win anyway.

[Candor]

I am hoping the charge goes to a public trial. It probably won't, but I can hope.

[Tgo01]

There really was no doubt the GOP candidate was going to win, but the fact that it's been consistent with the other special elections- namely significant shifts to the left- is very bad news for the GOP in 2018.

"The Democrats keep losing! Republicans should be worried!"

[Parkbandit]

"The Democrats keep losing! Republicans should be worried!"

She's amazing at her political predictions though!

[Latrinsorm]

"The Democrats keep losing! Republicans should be worried!"Remember when I told you that the Republicans losing seats in the Senate mattered, and not just that the Republicans maintained control of the Senate? And then multiple legislative efforts were stymied due to the slenderness of that majority, proving as always that I'm always right about everything? It's not just about who wins or loses. The margins are relevant.

[Tgo01]

Remember when I told you that the Republicans losing seats in the Senate mattered, and not just that the Republicans maintained control of the Senate? And then multiple legislative efforts were stymied due to the slenderness of that majority, proving as always that I'm always right about everything? It's not just about who wins or loses. The margins are relevant.

But...we're talking about a story where the margins haven't changed...since a Republican won...a...Republican...seat...

I know your posts are like 99.999% trolling, but this is sad even by troll standards :(

[drauz]

Remember when I told you that the Republicans losing seats in the Senate mattered, and not just that the Republicans maintained control of the Senate? And then multiple legislative efforts were stymied due to the slenderness of that majority, proving as always that I'm always right about everything? It's not just about who wins or loses. The margins are relevant.

https://media.giphy.com/media/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif

[Parkbandit]

But...we're talking about a story where the margins haven't changed...since a Republican won...a...Republican...seat...

I know your posts are like 99.999% trolling, but this is sad even by troll standards :(

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder445/500x/55727445/one-does-not-simply-stop-feeding-the-troll.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

But...we're talking about a story where the margins haven't changed...since a Republican won...a...Republican...seat...

I know your posts are like 99.999% trolling, but this is sad even by troll standards :(It's not just about who wins or loses.

The last Republican won the seat by a margin of +16. President Trump won the state (note that Montana has only one Representative) by a margin of +20. Representative Gianforte won by a margin of +6.

The MARGINS, you ignorant slut, are relevant.

[Tgo01]

It's not just about who wins or loses.

The last Republican won the seat by a margin of +16. President Trump won the state (note that Montana has only one Representative) by a margin of +20. Representative Gianforte won by a margin of +6.

The MARGINS, you ignorant slut, are relevant.


https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder445/500x/55727445/one-does-not-simply-stop-feeding-the-troll.jpg

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[drauz]

It's not just about who wins or loses.

The last Republican won the seat by a margin of +16. President Trump won the state (note that Montana has only one Representative) by a margin of +20. Representative Gianforte won by a margin of +6.

The MARGINS, you ignorant slut, are relevant.

One election doesn't matter, two and three elections in a row shows a trend.

Is Michigan now a red state? I have a pretty good feeling that it will be blue again next election. They had a 11 point swing from Obama winning it.

Did the last person have a big scandal the day before voting? Do you think maybe that had an impact? You are looking at numbers without looking at anything else.

[Latrinsorm]

One election doesn't matter, two and three elections in a row shows a trend.Yes, yes they do. In this case Kansas-4 was R+7 after Kansas was R+21 in the Presidential election, and Georgia-6 nearly went to a Democrat outright in the runoff.
Is Michigan now a red state? I have a pretty good feeling that it will be blue again next election. They had a 11 point swing from Obama winning it. Did the last person have a big scandal the day before voting? Do you think maybe that had an impact? You are looking at numbers without looking at anything else.I would think that had a big impact if it wasn't for 75% of Montana voting before it occurred. Everyone agrees post hoc ergo propter hoc is one of the classic fallacies, but only slightly less well known is pre hoc ergo propter hoc.

And you honestly think I'm not looking at anything else. Ha! Ha! Laugh, drauz, old boy, it's a great joke played on us.

[drauz]

Yes, yes they do. In this case Kansas-4 was R+7 after Kansas was R+21 in the Presidential election, and Georgia-6 nearly went to a Democrat outright in the runoff.I would think that had a big impact if it wasn't for 75% of Montana voting before it occurred. Everyone agrees post hoc ergo propter hoc is one of the classic fallacies, but only slightly less well known is pre hoc ergo propter hoc.

And you honestly think I'm not looking at anything else. Ha! Ha! Laugh, drauz, old boy, it's a great joke played on us.

Well Montana actually went +11 to +16 to +6. You are doing the same thing as me, just you have a different reason.

The two don't have a casual relationship though... Its not like I'm saying that he went to the movies the night before and that's why he did worse than previous Republicans. If a figure skater twists their ankle the day before an event would it wrong to assume that could have been a reason why they couldn't land a triple lutz? Something that had been done many times before.

[time4fun]

One election doesn't matter, two and three elections in a row shows a trend.

Is Michigan now a red state? I have a pretty good feeling that it will be blue again next election. They had a 11 point swing from Obama winning it.

Did the last person have a big scandal the day before voting? Do you think maybe that had an impact? You are looking at numbers without looking at anything else.

Actually it has been a trend (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/26/what-weve-learned-so-far-from-the-2017-special-elections/?utm_term=.b577a6c944b2) with the special elections so far this year.

If in 2016, all of the races tilted as far left as Montana, Dems would have picked up 9 more seats.

If they all swung as far left as Georgia, Dems would have picked up 77 seats.

And if they had all swung as far left as Kansas, Dems would have picked up 105 seats.

And keep in mind, Special Elections usually favor Republicans, not Democrats.

That's why it's not about how many seats have been picked up- Democrats don't need to grab districts as red as Montana or Kansas to take back the House. If the political climate is shifting this far left in just 6 months, imagine what things are going to be like in 2018. There's no reason to suspect the Trump administration is going to suddenly stabilize frankly. And there're many reasons to suspect it will continue to get worse.

[Tgo01]

Actually it has been a trend (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/26/what-weve-learned-so-far-from-the-2017-special-elections/?utm_term=.b577a6c944b2) with the special elections so far this year.

If in 2016, all of the races tilted as far left as Montana, Dems would have picked up 9 more seats.

If they all swung as far left as Georgia, Dems would have picked up 77 seats.

And if they had all swung as far left as Kansas, Dems would have picked up 105 seats.

LOL

This is beginning to sound like the stupid shit that Hillary was going to win Texas. Holy shit. The delusion is real among Democrats. SOME Democrats!


And keep in mind, Special Elections usually favor Republicans, not Democrats.

Blah blah blah.


That's why it's not about how many seats have been picked up

This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read.


If the political climate is shifting this far left in just 6 months, imagine what things are going to be like in 2018.

Right because clearly things ONLY shift to the left! It's not possible for things to "shift" back towards Republicans!

Also the political climate shifting so far that Democrats haven't won any of these seats that they thought were going to be easy wins? Okay.

[drauz]

Actually it has been a trend (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/26/what-weve-learned-so-far-from-the-2017-special-elections/?utm_term=.b577a6c944b2) with the special elections so far this year.

If in 2016, all of the races tilted as far left as Montana, Dems would have picked up 9 more seats.

If they all swung as far left as Georgia, Dems would have picked up 77 seats.

And if they had all swung as far left as Kansas, Dems would have picked up 105 seats.

And keep in mind, Special Elections usually favor Republicans, not Democrats.

That's why it's not about how many seats have been picked up- Democrats don't need to grab districts as red as Montana or Kansas to take back the House. If the political climate is shifting this far left in just 6 months, imagine what things are going to be like in 2018. There's no reason to suspect the Trump administration is going to suddenly stabilize frankly. And there're many reasons to suspect it will continue to get worse.

It just seems to early to make that kind of judgement, seems like wishful thinking at this point. Lets not forget that Republicans just crushed the Blue Wall this last Presidential election.

[Parkbandit]

Actually it has been a trend (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/26/what-weve-learned-so-far-from-the-2017-special-elections/?utm_term=.b577a6c944b2) with the special elections so far this year.

If in 2016, all of the races tilted as far left as Montana, Dems would have picked up 9 more seats.

If they all swung as far left as Georgia, Dems would have picked up 77 seats.

And if they had all swung as far left as Kansas, Dems would have picked up 105 seats.

And keep in mind, Special Elections usually favor Republicans, not Democrats.

That's why it's not about how many seats have been picked up- Democrats don't need to grab districts as red as Montana or Kansas to take back the House. If the political climate is shifting this far left in just 6 months, imagine what things are going to be like in 2018. There's no reason to suspect the Trump administration is going to suddenly stabilize frankly. And there're many reasons to suspect it will continue to get worse.

Using this "logic", I'm sure you would agree with the following statements:

Wisconsin is now a Red state because 2008 D+12, 2012 D+7, 2016 R+1

Michigan is now a Red state because 2008 D+17, 2012 D+10, 2016 R+.25

Pennsylvania is now a Red state because 2008 D+10, 2012 D+5, 2016 R+.75


See how your "logic" is extremely flawed and extremely retarded?

[Tgo01]

Using this "logic", I'm sure you would agree with the following statements:

Wisconsin is now a Red state because 2008 D+12, 2012 D+7, 2016 R+1

Michigan is now a Red state because 2008 D+17, 2012 D+10, 2016 R+.25

Pennsylvania is now a Red state because 2008 D+10, 2012 D+5, 2016 R+.75


See how your "logic" is extremely flawed and extremely retarded?

By God! This means by 2018 Republicans will pick up 100 seats in the House and 20 seats in the Senate!

[Parkbandit]

By God! This means by 2018 Republicans will pick up 100 seats in the House and 20 seats in the Senate!

I would argue with her.. but she's taught logic.. so she would know.

[Godsanvil]

Its funny how the only thing you have is to somehow make it seem like when you are losing all the time that somehow its in your favor. This is like participation trophy mentality. Grand scale. No you fucking lost. YOU lose. Their isn't a "but only by 21 points" on the winners trophy.

[Latrinsorm]

Well Montana actually went +11 to +16 to +6. You are doing the same thing as me, just you have a different reason.

The two don't have a casual relationship though... Its not like I'm saying that he went to the movies the night before and that's why he did worse than previous Republicans. If a figure skater twists their ankle the day before an event would it wrong to assume that could have been a reason why they couldn't land a triple lutz? Something that had been done many times before.It would be wrong to assume that if the event in question had actually been judged days/weeks before, yes.

[~Rocktar~]

So how many of you knew that Senate jester Al Franken also body slammed someone?

https://newsstand.google.com/articles/CAIiEHaGQYU8Cen-mcskhV1jd1cqFAgEKg0IACoGCAow04UBMPAaMNZC


When Al Franken body-slammed a demonstrator
Power Line
Paul Mirengoff · May 27, 2017
(Paul Mirengoff)
When I wrote about Fightin’ Greg Gianforte’s assault (as it seems to me) on a reporter, I believed that Al Franken had a history of physical aggression against folks who annoyed him. However, the only incident I recalled (and only vaguely) involved a much lower level of violence than Gianforte’s — pushing someone, perhaps someone in conservative media, out of his way in a Capitol corridor. Thus, I passed on claiming a Franken precedent.
However, Dave Begley (our man in Omaha and Council Bluffs) sent me a link to the story of Franken body-slamming a demonstrator. This is from the New York Post’s account of the incident:

Wise-cracking funnyman Al Franken yesterday body-slammed a demonstrator to the ground after the man tried to shout down Gov. Howard Dean.
The tussle left Franken’s trademark thick-rim glasses broken, but he said he was not injured.
Franken – who seemed in a state of shock and out of breath after the incident – was helped back to his feet by several people who watched the tussle. Police arrived soon after.

“I got down low and took his legs out,” said Franken afterwards. . .I was a wrestler so I used a wrestling move.
Franken seemed proud of himself (what else is new). He defended his assault on the theory that he was protecting candidate Dean’s right to speak. I doubt that this a good defense for an assault. The demonstrator would say he was exercising his right to speak.

I understand Franken’s outrage, just as I understand a stressed-out Gianforte losing it when a snotty reporter persisted in asking hostile questions after being told the candidate would answer later. In neither case was violence the appropriate response. Both Franken and Gianforte lost control and should be condemned for it.
The Franken incident occurred in 2004, before Minnesotans grievously erred by sending the one-time funnyman to the Senate. Gianforte’s misconduct also predates his election.

In Gianforte’s case, a goodly number of Montana voters (perhaps one-third of them) had his assault in mind when they voted. They elected him anyway. Franken’s assault was not on the radar in Minnesota three years later when he won his Senate race. It probably didn’t make the radar when it happened.
The Washington Post argues that the House should not seat Gianforte. I disagree.

As the Post admits, there is no precedent for denying someone elected to House his seat for this sort of conduct. Nor should the House set a precedent whereby partisans have a huge incentive to disqualify candidates from office by goading hot-heads like Gianforte and Franken into physical altercations.

[tyrant-201]

So how many of you knew that Senate jester Al Franken also body slammed someone?

https://newsstand.google.com/articles/CAIiEHaGQYU8Cen-mcskhV1jd1cqFAgEKg0IACoGCAow04UBMPAaMNZC

I think assault is wrong when anyone does it.

It's kind of sad that most people are reduced to a tit-for-tat sort of response to these things. WELL SO AND SO DID THIS. Yeah, it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now. Hopefully Gianforte learned his lesson.

[Tgo01]

I think assault is wrong when anyone does it.

It's kind of sad that most people are reduced to a tit-for-tat sort of response to these things. WELL SO AND SO DID THIS. Yeah, it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now. Hopefully Gianforte learned his lesson.

Yes, assault is wrong no matter who does it.

It's just the left has this tendency to not hold their own members accountable for the same shit they act like is the end of the world when the right does it.

Trump wants to build a wall? He's a racist xenophobe and the 24/7 news cycle/Democrats remind you of this on an hourly basis.

Harry Reid literally refers to Obama as a light skinned black with no Negro dialect? Crickets.

A Republican supposedly body slams a reporter? OUTRAGE! Republicans should condemn the politician! The House should deny him his seat! Every single Republican politician needs to personally condemn his actions and of course this is all Trump's fault!

All of the times Democrat politicians have assaulted people? Crickets.

[tyrant-201]

Yes, assault is wrong no matter who does it.

It's just the left has this tendency to not hold their own members accountable for the same shit they act like is the end of the world when the right does it.

Trump wants to build a wall? He's a racist xenophobe and the 24/7 news cycle/Democrats remind you of this on an hourly basis.

Harry Reid literally refers to Obama as a light skinned black with no Negro dialect? Crickets.

A Republican supposedly body slams a reporter? OUTRAGE! Republicans should condemn the politician! The House should deny him his seat! Every single Republican politician needs to personally condemn his actions and of course this is all Trump's fault!

All of the times Democrat politicians have assaulted people? Crickets.

Both sides do it.

[Tgo01]

Both sides do it.

It's kind of sad that most people are reduced to a tit-for-tat sort of response to these things. WELL SO AND SO DID THIS.

[Taernath]

All of the times Democrat politicians have assaulted people? Crickets.

Because this is a thread about a specific person, not a compare/contrast between which party does the most assaulting.

[tyrant-201]

It's kind of sad that most people are reduced to a tit-for-tat sort of response to these things. WELL SO AND SO DID THIS.

You responded to my post by yet again pointing the finger.

I have stated that it's a fair thing to say that both sides do this. It's wrong when either side does it. Your post was a long diatribe about why the left is so wrong/hypocritical. I agree that they are, I also know that the same thing goes for conservatives.

[Back]

Yes, assault is wrong no matter who does it.

It's just the left has this tendency to not hold their own members accountable for the same shit they act like is the end of the world when the right does it.

Trump wants to build a wall? He's a racist xenophobe and the 24/7 news cycle/Democrats remind you of this on an hourly basis.

Harry Reid literally refers to Obama as a light skinned black with no Negro dialect? Crickets.

A Republican supposedly body slams a reporter? OUTRAGE! Republicans should condemn the politician! The House should deny him his seat! Every single Republican politician needs to personally condemn his actions and of course this is all Trump's fault!

All of the times Democrat politicians have assaulted people? Crickets.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/no_u_5845.jpg

[Parkbandit]

It's kind of sad that most people are reduced to a tit-for-tat sort of response to these things. WELL SO AND SO DID THIS.

https://i.giphy.com/QgixZj4y3TwnS.webp

[Tenlaar]

Yes, assault is wrong no matter who does it.

It's just the left has this tendency to not hold their own members accountable

Yet you posted five times in this thread over two days before ever saying a single thing about how it was wrong of him to do. Almost as if you constantly do the exact same things that you rail about the evil democrats doing.

[~Rocktar~]

Both sides do it.

Yes, to a degree, though only one side is aided and abetted by the mass media on a daily basis.

[time4fun]

Yes, to a degree, though only one side is aided and abetted by the mass media on a daily basis.

Yeah...because they're pointing out things that Trump is doing?

The truth isn't a liberal conspiracy.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah...because they're pointing out things that Trump is doing?

The truth isn't a liberal conspiracy.

Wait.. you thought the liberal media bias started when Trump was elected?

What's it like to go through life completely oblivious?

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah...because they're pointing out things that Trump is doing?

The truth isn't a liberal conspiracy.

If you think that Liberal bias and covering up the crimes of Socialists, Communists and Fascists while attacking Conservatives is new you are a special kind of stupid. The media covered up the Albanian genocide, WWI mass killings of POWs, the death camps in WWII (they were known by the media and higher ups in command in the Allies long before they came out publicly), 20 million plus killed by Stalin, millions killed by Mao, the millions killed by Pol Pot (until a rogue reporter actually stood up and reported), the slaughter of civilians by the VC and NVA, the list goes on and on and on. These are all in the last 120 years or so. Hell, I went to public school and only have 1 degree that isn't in liberal arts and I learned this. How do you go through life so willfully stupid?

[Taernath]

If you think that Liberal bias and covering up the crimes of Socialists, Communists and Fascists while attacking Conservatives is new you are a special kind of stupid. The media covered up the Albanian genocide, WWI mass killings of POWs, the death camps in WWII (they were known by the media and higher ups in command in the Allies long before they came out publicly), 20 million plus killed by Stalin, missions killed by Mao, the millions killed by Pol Pot (until a rogue reporter actually stood up and reported), the slaughter of civilians by the VC and NCA, the list goes on and on and on. These are all in the last 120 years or so. Hell, I went to public school and only have 1 degree that isn't in liberal arts and I learned this. How do you go through life so willfully stupid?

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/jerry-seinfeld-kramer-pocker-face-Newman-winner-laugh.gif

[Gelston]

Lois: It seems today

That all you see

Is violence in movies and sex on TV

Peter: But where are those good old fashioned values

Entire Family: On which we used to rely?

Lucky there's a Family Guy

Lucky there's a man who

Positively can do

All the things that make us

Stewie: Laugh and cry!

Entire Family: He's... a.. Fam..ily... Guy!

[tyrant-201]

If you think that Liberal bias and covering up the crimes of Socialists, Communists and Fascists while attacking Conservatives is new you are a special kind of stupid. The media covered up the Albanian genocide, WWI mass killings of POWs, the death camps in WWII (they were known by the media and higher ups in command in the Allies long before they came out publicly), 20 million plus killed by Stalin, millions killed by Mao, the millions killed by Pol Pot (until a rogue reporter actually stood up and reported), the slaughter of civilians by the VC and NVA, the list goes on and on and on. These are all in the last 120 years or so. Hell, I went to public school and only have 1 degree that isn't in liberal arts and I learned this. How do you go through life so willfully stupid?

You seem to be attributing a whole hell of a lot of shit to the liberal media. I'm someone who recognizes the bias, but denying/covering up genocide?

[Tgo01]

And here's perfect proof of what I said yesterday:

http://www.kvue.com/news/politics/tensions-high-at-capitol-on-final-day-of-legislative-session/443899986

The Republican said:




Today, Representative Poncho Nevarez threatened my life on the House floor after I called ICE on several illegal immigrants who held signs in the gallery which said "I am illegal and here to stay." Several Democrats encouraged the protestors to disobey law enforcement. When I told the Democrats I called ICE, Representative Ramon Romero physically assaulted me, and other Democrats were held back by colleagues. During that time Poncho told me that he would "get me on the way to my car." He later approached me and reiterated that "I had to leave at some point, and he would get me." I made it clear that if he attempted to, in his words, "get me," I would shoot him in self defense. I am currently under DPS protection. Several of my colleagues heard the threats made and witnessed Ramon assaulting me.

The Democrat said:


The true intentions of SB4 came to light today on the floor of the Texas House of Representatives. Matt Rinaldi looked into a House gallery full of Americans exercising their first amendment rights against SB4 -- Americans of all ages and ethnicities -- and he only saw "illegals."

As Reps. Cesar Blanco, Phil Cortez, and myself celebrated the enthusiasm for civic engagement being shown, Rep. Rinaldi felt the need to break up our appreciation by telling us he had called ICE to deport the protesters in the gallery. Our reactions were honest. Our reactions were of disgust. His use of profanity to emphasize his point that all he saw was a bunch of illegals that deserve to be deported had the intention of anger.

Let me be clear, this was a personal attack on me as a son of Mexican immigrants. I voiced my feelings, as did Reps. Blanco and Cortez, and Rep. Rinaldi replied by saying the people in the gallery did not love this country. Members of his own party came to pull him away, making his accusation of being assaulted completely baseless. Countless members witnessed "the scuffle," and they will all tell you no assault occurred.

Minutes later, Rep. Rinaldi decided he had not had enough, and threatened another member of the Mexican American Legislative Caucus by telling Rep. Poncho Nevarez he would "put a bullet" in his head. That direct threat merits a full investigation by the appropriate authorities.

Another Democrat said:




Earlier Today on the Texas House Floor, Representative Rinaldi said, in regards to SB 4 protestors, " I called I.C.E....F**k them." If that is not racism, I don't know what is. I am deeply disappointed in his comments and attitude towards Hispanics and immigrants. His phone call to ICE to detain Hispanic protesters and immigrants only highlights the institutional racism this body embraced this session by passing SB 4, the "Show Me Your Papers Bill." Other Republican colleagues had the class and respect to apologize for Representative Rinaldi's behavior. But the only one that can apologize for Rep. Rinaldi's behavior is Rep. Rinaldi. Representative Rinaldi owes an apology to the Texas House and more importantly to the very people his hateful and disparaging comments were aimed at.

Another Republican said:


"There is no excuse for members making insensitive and disparaging remarks on the floor of the Texas House," said House Speaker Joe Straus (R-San Antonio).

Notice the pattern here? Republicans apologized for the behavior of their Republican colleague, but the Democrats double down and act like victims and refuse to acknowledge the threats they levied against Republicans.

This happens again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

[Parkbandit]

And here's perfect proof of what I said yesterday:

http://www.kvue.com/news/politics/tensions-high-at-capitol-on-final-day-of-legislative-session/443899986

The Republican said:



The Democrat said:



Another Democrat said:



Another Republican said:



Notice the pattern here? Republicans apologized for the behavior of their Republican colleague, but the Democrats double down and act like victims and refuse to acknowledge the threats they levied against Republicans.

This happens again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

You sound like a racist for even suggesting that there is another side of the story.

Are you sure you aren't from the south? I bet your ancestors had slaves.

[Tgo01]

You sound like a racist for even suggesting that there is another side of the story.

Are you sure you aren't from the south? I bet your ancestors had slaves.

Ancestors nothing, I got 2 slaves in my basement right now. But they're Chinese slaves so I guess I am racist.

[Candor]

You sound like a racist for even suggesting that there is another side of the story.

Are you sure you aren't from the south? I bet your ancestors had slaves.

I bet yours did too.

[Parkbandit]

I bet yours did too.

Probably not.. most of my family was northerners.

I've never been one to lose sleep though over what one of my great, great, great grandparents did or didn't do though.

[Neveragain]

Notice the pattern here? Republicans apologized for the behavior of their Republican colleague, but the Democrats double down and act like victims and refuse to acknowledge the threats they levied against Republicans.

This happens again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

When we were discussing Comeys replacement someone had mentioned the selection should be used as a form of olive branch by the Republicans.

An olive branch for what? They are still going to shit in your corn flakes either way.

[Latrinsorm]

And here's perfect proof of what I said yesterday:

http://www.kvue.com/news/politics/tensions-high-at-capitol-on-final-day-of-legislative-session/443899986

The Republican said:

The Democrat said:

Another Democrat said:

Another Republican said:

Notice the pattern here? Republicans apologized for the behavior of their Republican colleague, but the Democrats double down and act like victims and refuse to acknowledge the threats they levied against Republicans.

This happens again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again."We should never condone pushing and shoving" - a Democrat involved in the actual fight, not their colleagues, an actual participant

The pattern I notice is that the people with power over you tell you a lie and you believe it, because it suits your existing biases.

[drauz]

"We should never condone pushing and shoving" - a Democrat involved in the actual fight, not their colleagues, an actual participant

The pattern I notice is that the people with power over you tell you a lie and you believe it, because it suits your existing biases.

Can you finish that quote? Cause you only provided half of it. I'll do it for you...

"I did push him. Where I'm from, those are fighting words," "We should never condone pushing and shoving but the guy asked for it...I put my hands on him because he needed to get out of there." ~Texas Rep. Poncho Nevárez‏, Democrat

Paints a different picture, huh?

You quoted the guy who did the pushing and shoving as someone not condoning it...

[tyrant-201]

The discussion really should end at "It's never acceptable" regardless of party. If politicians won't hold themselves accountable to a higher standard, the American people should.

[Parkbandit]

Can you finish that quote? Cause you only provided half of it. I'll do it for you...

"I did push him. Where I'm from, those are fighting words," "We should never condone pushing and shoving but the guy asked for it...I put my hands on him because he needed to get out of there." ~Texas Rep. Poncho Nevárez‏, Democrat

Paints a different picture, huh?

You quoted the guy who did the pushing and shoving as someone not condoning it...

“He’s a racist. He’s a bad person,” Nevarez asserted. “We’re not going to allow people like that to get away with saying comments like that because they think nothing’s gonna happen to ’em.”

Yea.. he sounds like a real stand up guy. Someone says something he disagrees with.. resorts to violence to shut down his right to speak.

[Latrinsorm]

Can you finish that quote? Cause you only provided half of it. I'll do it for you...

"I did push him. Where I'm from, those are fighting words," "We should never condone pushing and shoving but the guy asked for it...I put my hands on him because he needed to get out of there." ~Texas Rep. Poncho Nevárez‏, Democrat

Paints a different picture, huh?The rest of the quote is unnecessary, because as I said and as we agree the speaker was involved in the fight. As you know I strive for brevity.
You quoted the guy who did the pushing and shoving as someone not condoning it...Yes. Surely you've heard of someone regretting their behavior, especially behavior undertaken in the heat of the moment.

[drauz]

The rest of the quote is unnecessary, because as I said and as we agree the speaker was involved in the fight. As you know I strive for brevity.Yes. Surely you've heard of someone regretting their behavior, especially behavior undertaken in the heat of the moment.

In your quote he is regretting his behavior, with the full quote he is rationalizing it. These are two different things.

[ClydeR]

Gallatin County Justice Court Judge Rick West ordered Gianforte to complete 20 hours of anger management counseling and 40 hours of community service. He was given a deferred 6-month jail sentence. If he does not violate the conditions of his sentence, the charge will be dismissed.

More... (http://billingsgazette.com/news/government-and-politics/greg-gianforte-pleads-guilty-to-misdemeanor-assault/article_78ea4a87-4227-5044-bcca-17bdca7b556b.html)


Paul Ryan better keep an eye on this guy. Politicians who embarrass their party in an episode like this don't usually stop at just one episode.