FBI Confirms Probe into Trump-Russian Collusion

[Tgo01]

The better question is why don't you care that Russia was successful assisting Trump's election win?

No, the better question is why do you care? You're acting like Hillary was some nobody with no name recognition, with no resources or allies of her own. Poor little Hillary had to go up against the big bad and well financed Trump and his legion of Russian trolls.

Hillary raised and spent more money than Trump did. Pro Hillary SuperPACs raised and spent more money than pro Trump SuperPACs. Hillary had the entire Democrat party united behind her, the Republican party had broken off into splintered factions with some supporting Trump because they thought he was a good candidate, some supporting him simply because he was the Republican candidate, some not supporting him at all, and some even supporting Hillary.

Hillary had almost the entire media in her back pocket. She was given debate questions in advanced because the same person who worked for the DNC worked as a "political analyst" on CNN, the ones doing the debate.

Hillary had everything going for her and if you're going to sit there and claim a bunch of Russian trolls cost her the election because she had no power then you're even more naive than I previously thought. Bubble wrapped inside of a bubble is no longer good enough, we need to put that bubble in a clean room.

[Back]

Like her medical records. You don't think it was only her server that was hacked do you? Silly Back.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/291922-trump-spokeswoman-claims-clinton-has-rare-brain-disease


There is no evidence to back those claims up, and Clinton’s physician, Dr. Lisa Bardack, has repeatedly stated that the former secretary of State is fit to serve.

Recently, Bardack released a statement to address the conspiracy theories around apparent falsified medical records with her name on them saying that Clinton has dysphasia.

“These documents are false, were not written by me and are not based on any medical facts,” Bardack said. “To reiterate what I said in my previous statement, Secretary Clinton is in excellent health and fit to serve as President of the United States."

[Back]

No, the better question is why do you care?

Because I live in America and like it the way it is. I don't trust Putin and don't want to live in Russia.

[Androidpk]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/291922-trump-spokeswoman-claims-clinton-has-rare-brain-disease

So the person who signed an NDA didn't come out and tell the truth. Shocker.

[Back]

So the person who signed an NDA didn't come out and tell the truth. Shocker.

You seriously believe Infowars and not a direct quote from her physician? I can't take you seriously anymore.

[Androidpk]

You seriously believe Infowars and not a direct quote from her physician? I can't take you seriously anymore.

Who said anything about Infowars? And do you not understand the concept of an NDA?

[Tgo01]

You seriously believe Infowars and not a direct quote from her physician?

Russia, Trump and Trump's entire administration have said they did not collude to "steal" the election from Hillary. How come you don't believe them?!?!??!!?

[Ashlander]

Russia, Trump and Trump's entire administration have said they did not collude to "steal" the election from Hillary. How come you don't believe them?!?!??!!?

Because he's a fucking idiot?

[Parkbandit]

Backlash and time4fun may be onto something. FINALLY, some actual FACTS and PROOF that Russia did collude with Trump during the last election.

My sources, that wish to remain anonymous, have given me a English translation of the Russian Foreign Ministry incoming phone dialogue.

Here it is, translated for you:



You have reached the Russian Embassy. Your call is very important to us.

To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1.

To use the services of Russian hackers, press 2.

To arrange election interference, press 3 — and wait until the next election campaign.

Please note that all calls are recorded for quality improvement and training purposes.

Now that they have proof and facts on their side, how many President Trump supporters will begin to question how he got into office now!!!

[Androidpk]

Backlash and time4fun may be onto something. FINALLY, some actual FACTS and PROOF that Russia did collude with Trump during the last election.

My sources, that wish to remain anonymous, have given me a English translation of the Russian Foreign Ministry incoming phone dialogue.

Here it is, translated for you:



Now that they have proof and facts on their side, how many President Trump supporters will begin to question how he got into office now!!!


Why haven't those two joined the military yet? We're going to war!

[Parkbandit]

Why haven't those two joined the military yet? We're going to war!


The 80's called, they want their foreign policy back.

[Androidpk]

The 80's called, they want their foreign policy back.

those Russkies ain't going to kill themselves


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbuQ6APGYnQ

[Back]

Two things are at play here.

1. We already know the Russians hired people to spread fake news in Trump's favor to help him win the election which he did.

2. Was Trump himself, or anyone on his team, actively soliciting Russia to for aid to win the election?

[Androidpk]

Two things are at play here.

1. We already know the Russians hired people to spread fake news in Trump's favor to help him win the election which he did.

2. Was Trump himself, or anyone on his team, actively soliciting Russia to for aid to win the election?

3. Who cares?

[Wrathbringer]

4. No one cares.

[time4fun]

3. Who cares?

That really was the first truly stupid thing you've said in this thread.

You know damn well why this is a big deal.

[Androidpk]

That really was the first truly stupid thing you've said in this thread.

You know damn well why this is a big deal.

Do I? You do know this is the sort of thing most developed countries do, right? The US interferes with domestic affairs with countless countries around the world and they do it to us. Quick acting like this is some new phenomena.

[Back]

That really was the first truly stupid thing you've said in this thread.

You know damn well why this is a big deal.

I can't take these guys seriously anymore. They aren't really here to make any real points or have discussion or debate. They are here to troll.

[Androidpk]

I can't take these guys seriously anymore. They aren't really here to make any real points or have discussion or debate. They are here to troll.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vQPa2bHpYLI/TfDHS529U0I/AAAAAAAAB-I/jfpWrFrRMXg/s1600/pot_kettle.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

Do I? You do know this is the sort of thing most developed countries do, right? The US interferes with domestic affairs with countless countries around the world and they do it to us. Quick acting like this is some new phenomena.

They've got to whine about something. They lost. Reality be damned.

[BigWorm]

Do I? You do know this is the sort of thing most developed countries do, right? The US interferes with domestic affairs with countless countries around the world and they do it to us. Quick acting like this is some new phenomena.

Lolololololol.

Accused of sucking Russian bot dick. Responds with classic Russian whataboutism.

Your appeal to hypocrisy does nothing to bolster your position. Pretty clear most of the Trumpers in this thread care a lot more about protecting their beloved leader than protecting the country or finding out the truth.

[Axhinde]

They've got to whine about something. They lost. Reality be damned.

Hillary lost. Nobody that posts here ran for president as far as I know. Unless they're Hillary Clinton, they did not lose.

When I see statements like this I always think of sports fans who scream "Yay we won!!" without ever even playing for the team. This is the problem I have with toeing party lines. It becomes less about the issues and more about "their" team.

[Androidpk]

Lolololololol.

Accused of sucking Russian bot dick. Responds with classic Russian whataboutism.

Your appeal to hypocrisy does nothing to bolster your position. Pretty clear most of the Trumpers in this thread care a lot more about protecting their beloved leader than protecting the country or finding out the truth.

I don't care about protecting Trump. I'm perfectly fine with the FBI investigating any wrong doing. Accusing people of being Putin stooges though, however, serves 0 purpose.

[Androidpk]

It becomes less about the issues and more about "their" team.

One of the biggest problems in politics. My side is good, your side is evil!

[SHAFT]

Lolololololol.

Accused of sucking Russian bot dick. Responds with classic Russian whataboutism.

Your appeal to hypocrisy does nothing to bolster your position. Pretty clear most of the Trumpers in this thread care a lot more about protecting their beloved leader than protecting the country or finding out the truth.

Get out Worm, it's not too late! Don't let the vortex take you!

[Wrathbringer]

Hillary lost. Nobody that posts here ran for president as far as I know. Unless they're Hillary Clinton, they did not lose.

When I see statements like this I always think of sports fans who scream "Yay we won!!" without ever even playing for the team. This is the problem I have with toeing party lines. It becomes less about the issues and more about "their" team.

Lol you lost get over it.

[Axhinde]

Lol you lost get over it.

And you know who I voted for how? Oh that's right, you don't. Do you always have to try this hard to be so mediocre?

[Androidpk]

And you know who I voted for how? Oh that's right, you don't. Do you always have to try this hard to be so mediocre?

That's what trolls specialize in.

[Axhinde]

That's what trolls specialize in.

Oh I know. But Inspire will be Inspire.

[Tgo01]

1. We already know the Russians hired people to spread fake news in Trump's favor to help him win the election which he did.

Someone was spreading fake news about MY candidate! It's not fair!


2. Was Trump himself, or anyone on his team, actively soliciting Russia to for aid to win the election?

Even if Trump was (which he wasn't) why do you Democrats keep insisting this is reason enough to impeach him? What laws were broken?

[Androidpk]

Someone was spreading fake news about MY candidate! It's not fair!

Correct the Record trolls were actively working to shut down popular Bernie Sanders FB groups by posting child pornography on them and then reporting it to Facebook.

[Tgo01]

Correct the Record trolls were actively working to shut down popular Bernie Sanders FB groups by posting child pornography on them and then reporting it to Facebook.

Yeah but he's an old, straight white man.

[Androidpk]

Yeah but he's an old, straight white man.

And Jewish!

[Methais]

Wait... so if someone is posting bullshit about someone else on the internet the victim has no business correcting it?

Which specific things were bullshit that were being posted?

[Methais]

Because I live in America and like it the way it is

If you like America the way it is then why did you want Hillary and/or Bernie to win, and vote for Obama twice?

[~Rocktar~]

One of the biggest problems in politics. My side is good, your side is evil!

I prefer "Your side is horrible, my side is only pretty bad." Or as I said to a Liberal coworker of mine, "We have the slow road to decline and the express lane. I believe that Socialist/Liberal economics puts us on the express lane with a nitro boost."

[Warriorbird]

If you like America the way it is then why did you want Hillary and/or Bernie to win, and vote for Obama twice?

Someday you'll realize that Obama was a pretty average President who didn't really rock the boat that much. If Romney had won he also would've done the ACA.

[Androidpk]

I prefer "Your side is horrible, my side is only pretty bad." Or as I said to a Liberal coworker of mine, "We have the slow road to decline and the express lane. I believe that Socialist/Liberal economics puts us on the express lane with a nitro boost."

I prefer "They're both fucking terrible and only care about their own self interests.

[Methais]

Someday you'll realize that Obama was a pretty average President who didn't really rock the boat that much. If Romney had won he also would've done the ACA.

Someday you'll realize you're usually wrong.

[Parkbandit]

Someday you'll realize that Obama was a petty President who couldn't really rock the boat that much because of the obstructionist GOP.

Corrected for accuracy.

And President Obama was terrible.


If Romney had won he also would've done the ACA.

When you are done with your crystal ball, can I borrow it? I need to find out who the Giants will be selecting in this year's draft.

[Ashliana]

And President Obama was terrible.


You've said this frequently, but amazingly, I've never seen you substantiate the claim in any way. I wonder why that is?

[Parkbandit]

You've said this frequently, but amazingly, I've never seen you substantiate the claim in any way. I wonder why that is?

Because it's my opinion? Also, I've stated on my occasions why I disliked President Obama as a President. If you've "never" seen it, then maybe you should re-read my posts because it was probably over your head.

In before "Oh, you disliked him because he was black!"

Also, I don't dislike you because you are gay.. I dislike you because you are a crazy fucking nutjob who likes to play pretend on the Internet for attention.

[Ashliana]

Because it's my opinion? Also, I've stated on my occasions why I disliked President Obama as a President. If you've "never" seen it, then maybe you should re-read my posts because it was probably over your head.

In before "Oh, you disliked him because he was black!"

Also, I don't dislike you because you are gay.. I dislike you because you are a crazy fucking nutjob who likes to play pretend on the Internet for attention.

:rofl: I love how detached from reality you are. I mean, most of the neocons on here try to at least loosely anchor their stupidity and/or delusion to planet Earth, but you? You're a pure Sean Spicer, Sean Hannity-style deluded imbecile. Plus five points for you.

[Androidpk]

Susan Rice May Have Committed Crime If She Circulated Trump Team Intercepts For Politicized Purposes
http://lawnewz.com/opinion/susan-rice-may-have-committed-crime-if-she-circulated-trump-team-intercepts-for-politicized-purposes/

[Tgo01]

Susan Rice May Have Committed Crime If She Circulated Trump Team Intercepts For Politicized Purposes
http://lawnewz.com/opinion/susan-rice-may-have-committed-crime-if-she-circulated-trump-team-intercepts-for-politicized-purposes/

Racist.

[time4fun]

Buzzfeed reporting today (https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/a-former-trump-adviser-met-with-a-russian-spy?utm_term=.hd2p30rdA1#.jhqmY2Xye9) that former Trump adviser was recruited as a Russian asset in 2013:


The adviser, Carter Page, met with a Russian intelligence operative named Victor Podobnyy, who was later charged by the US government alongside two others for acting as unregistered agents of a foreign government. The charges, filed in January 2015, came after federal investigators busted a Russian spy ring that was seeking information on US sanctions as well as efforts to develop alternative energy. Page is an energy consultant.


The revelation of Page’s connection to Russian intelligence — which occurred more than three years before his association with Trump — is the most clearly documented contact to date between Russian intelligence and someone in Trump’s orbit. It comes as federal investigators probe whether Trump’s campaign-era associates — including Page — had any inappropriate contact with Russian officials or intelligence operatives during the course of the election. Page has volunteered to help Senate investigators in their inquiry.

A few things of note-

-This was three years before Page had access to anything particularly sensitive and there's no evidence he leaked anything confidential

-Page's relationship with Russia has continued to grow since, however, despite having been informed by the FBI that he was being recruited by Russian spies. He has developed numerous relationships with people close to Putin (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html) and has given speeches that are highly critical of US foreign policy to Russian-backed groups.

-It is unthinkable that Trump's campaign team wasn't aware of Page's past associations. So why was he given such an important role on the campaign, and why did the campaign allow him to continue to travel to Moscow during the campaign?


Additionally, the spies who attempted to recruit Carter Page had ties to a particular Russian state-operated bank. One of the spies was the 2nd highest official in the New York City office of the bank, and the bank paid both his legal fees and his debt to his landlord. The chairman of the bank was hand-picked by Putin and spent his earlier years attending and graduating from the Russian school where intelligence and security operatives are trained (it's where you train for the modern day KGB)

The bank? The one Jared Kushner met with last year (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/kushner-meeting-russian-banker-tied-to-putin/). (a meeting he "forgot" to disclose until it was reported on by the NY Times)

[drauz]

Buzzfeed reporting today (https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/a-former-trump-adviser-met-with-a-russian-spy?utm_term=.hd2p30rdA1#.jhqmY2Xye9) that former Trump adviser was recruited as a Russian asset in 2013:





A few things of note-

-This was three years before Page had access to anything particularly sensitive and there's no evidence he leaked anything confidential

-Page's relationship with Russia has continued to grow since, however, despite having been informed by the FBI that he was being recruited by Russian spies. He has developed numerous relationships with people close to Putin (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html) and has given speeches that are highly critical of US foreign policy to Russian-backed groups.

-It is unthinkable that Trump's campaign team wasn't aware of Page's past associations. So why was he given such an important role on the campaign, and why did the campaign allow him to continue to travel to Moscow during the campaign?


Additionally, the spies who attempted to recruit Carter Page had ties to a particular Russian state-operated bank. One of the spies was the 2nd highest official in the New York City office of the bank, and the bank paid both his legal fees and his debt to his landlord. The chairman of the bank was hand-picked by Putin and spent his earlier years attending and graduating from the Russian school where intelligence and security operatives are trained (it's where you train for the modern day KGB)

The bank? The one Jared Kushner met with last year (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/kushner-meeting-russian-banker-tied-to-putin/). (a meeting he "forgot" to disclose until it was reported on by the NY Times)

Buzzfeed for news? That seems like a stretch.

[Androidpk]

Buzzfeed reporting today (https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/a-former-trump-adviser-met-with-a-russian-spy?utm_term=.hd2p30rdA1#.jhqmY2Xye9)

Buzzfeed?? :lol2:

[Astray]

Guys, come on. Buzzfeed is totally legit, unbiased and completely spot on in every article ever posted to the site. Ask anyone.

I'll take that check now, Buzzfeed.

[Tgo01]

-It is unthinkable that Trump's campaign team wasn't aware of Page's past associations. So why was he given such an important role on the campaign, and why did the campaign allow him to continue to travel to Moscow during the campaign?

From your own link:


It remains unclear how connected Page was to the Trump campaign. He rose to prominence seemingly out of nowhere last summer, touted by then-candidate Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers. Page was quickly cut from the Trump team following reports that federal investigators were probing his ties to Russian officials. White House press secretary Sean Spicer said last month that the campaign had sent Page cease and desist letters last year, demanding he stop associating himself with it.


RYAN: Thank you… We’ve heard you’re going to be announcing your foreign policy team shortly… Any you can share with us?

TRUMP: Well, I hadn’t thought of doing it, but if you want I can give you some of the names… Walid Phares, who you probably know, PhD, adviser to the House of Representatives caucus, and counter-terrorism expert; Carter Page, PhD; George Papadopoulos, he’s an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy; the Honorable Joe Schmitz, [former] inspector general at the Department of Defense; [retired] Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg; and I have quite a few more. But that’s a group of some of the people that we are dealing with. We have many other people in different aspects of what we do, but that’s a representative group.

Such an important role! Literally just mentioned by name in a list of people!

You Democrats really are scrapping the bottom of the barrel now to try and make this stick.

Americans with business interests outside of the US?!?! Well this IS disconcerting! This has literally never happened before!!!11

[time4fun]

Buzzfeed for news? That seems like a stretch.

Try reading the article. BuzzFeed has broken more than one big story with this (they published the infamous Dossier), and Carter Page himself confirmed his identity here.

[Androidpk]

That National Enquirer has broken a few stories before, doesn't mean they're a legitimate news source.

[time4fun]

That National Enquirer has broken a few stories before, doesn't mean they're a legitimate news source.

Once again, Carter Page confirmed the accuracy of the story.

So I guess now you'll have to deal with the substance of the article.

[Tgo01]

So I guess now you'll have to deal with the substance of the article.

Of which there is none.

[Androidpk]

Once again, Carter Page confirmed the accuracy of the story.

So I guess now you'll have to deal with the substance of the article.

So a joke of a website is okay if the actual substance of the piece is truly legitimate?

[time4fun]

So a joke of a website is okay if the actual substance of the piece is truly legitimate?

This is a fairly sad and desperate attempt to avoid having to deal with the fact that Carter Page KNEW he was being recruited by Russian spies and yet continued to build strong relationships with Russian government officials afterwards. And that Trump gave him a big role in the campaign and allowed him to continue to go to Russia during the campaign.

So shut up about BuzzFeed- who broke a legitimate story. And actually deal with the story, or go away.

[Androidpk]

This is a fairly sad and desperate attempt to avoid having to deal with the fact that Carter Page KNEW he was being recruited by Russian spies and yet continued to build strong relationships with Russian government officials afterwards. And that Trump gave him a big role in the campaign and allowed him to continue to go to Russia during the campaign.

So shut up about BuzzFeed- who broke a legitimate story. And actually deal with the story, or go away.

I'm not avoiding anything, just getting your thoughts on the website before I delve into the contents of the article. You, however, avoided my question.

[Tgo01]

This is a fairly sad and desperate attempt to avoid having to deal with the fact that Carter Page KNEW he was being recruited by Russian spies and yet continued to build strong relationships with Russian government officials afterwards.

Where the fuck do you get the idea he "knew" he was being recruited by Russian spies?

Unless you mean he knew after the fact, in which case learn to English.

"Russian spies talked to me about energy! My field is in energy! I guess I better stop dealing with energy!"

The disconnect from reality is so strong among Democrats.

[time4fun]

I'm not avoiding anything, just getting your thoughts on the website before I delve into the contents of the article. You, however, avoided my question.

Three posts in a row focusing on anything BUT the actual story.

People often unwittingly, yet actively, disregard or avoid information that calls into question their belief system. That's very much what you're doing right now. Attempting to change the subject and then trying to distract further by questioning why the other party hasn't accepted the bait.

So let's get to the point here- why did the Trump campaign take a guy who was, in 2013, recruited by Russians to be a Russian asset? Why did Carter Page, even after the FBI informed him of such, start very actively building relationships with Russian government officials afterwards? Why did Jared Kushner meet with the bank that was sponsoring and supporting one of the spies while being run by a Putin-appointee who was trained at spy school? Why did he fail to disclose the meeting when asked?


Wouldn't a normal campaign say, "We're staying far away from this"?

Wouldn't a normal person say, "Holy god, the Russians tried to do WHAT? I am staying far away from them"?

Wouldn't a normal person say, "This bank is operated by the Russian state and is involved in their foreign intelligence gathering, and which is currently on the sanctions list (i.e. it's illegal to do business with them)- I need to be nowhere near them! I don't want them to bug me or trick me into divulging sensitive information"?

[drauz]

Try reading the article. BuzzFeed has broken more than one big story with this (they published the infamous Dossier), and Carter Page himself confirmed his identity here.

He confirmed one small part of the story, that is it. He confirmed he was Male-1 in the investigation. Which he then cooperated with the Feds on. Feds say he did nothing wrong. What new info does Buzzfeed have on this subject?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-advisor-carter-page-targeted-russian-spies/story?id=46557506


The Russians were heard laughing, saying Page had no idea they were government agents.

[time4fun]

He confirmed one small part of the story, that is it. He confirmed he was Male-1 in the investigation. Which he then cooperated with the Feds on. Feds say he did nothing wrong. What new info does Buzzfeed have on this subject?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-advisor-carter-page-targeted-russian-spies/story?id=46557506

First time the media connected Page to "Male-1". That's NOT a "small" part of the story.

Though, given how freely Page shared that information with them, it's difficult to imagine that he kept it from, say, the Trump campaign.

This raises serious questions about the actions of Page, the Trump campaign, and Kushner right after the events of 2013.

[Androidpk]

Three posts in a row focusing on anything BUT the actual story.

People often unwittingly, yet actively, disregard or avoid information that calls into question their belief system. That's very much what you're doing right now. Attempting to change the subject and then trying to distract further by questioning why the other party hasn't accepted the bait.

So let's get to the point here- why did the Trump campaign take a guy who was, in 2013, recruited by Russians to be a Russian asset? Why did Carter Page, even after the FBI informed him of such, start very actively building relationships with Russian government officials afterwards? Why did Jared Kushner meet with the bank that was sponsoring and supporting one of the spies while being run by a Putin-appointee who was trained at spy school? Why did he fail to disclose the meeting when asked?


Wouldn't a normal campaign say, "We're staying far away from this"?

Wouldn't a normal person say, "Holy god, the Russians tried to do WHAT? I am staying far away from them"?

Wouldn't a normal person say, "This bank is operated by the Russian state and is involved in their foreign intelligence gathering, and which is currently on the sanctions list (i.e. it's illegal to do business with them)- I need to be nowhere near them! I don't want them to bug me or trick me into divulging sensitive information"?

Oh look, another post by you where you completely ignore my question. Either you're incapable of answering it or you're embarrassed by your answer. Which is it?

[Tgo01]

take a guy who was, in 2013, recruited by Russians to be a Russian asset?

Holy fucking shit. HE WAS NOT RECRUITED. Did you read (or understand?) your own link?


Why did Carter Page, even after the FBI informed him of such, start very actively building relationships with Russian government officials afterwards?

He was interested in energy. He's a fucking energy consultant. He was discussing energy with someone who he thought was a legitimate Russian official. The article makes this crystal clear. Can you read?


Wouldn't a normal campaign say, "We're staying far away from this"?

Again, according to the article the Trump campaign dumped him "quickly" after they found out about this Russian bullshit.

You keep bitching at pk for not wanting to discuss what's in the article yet I've made three posts now directly referencing the article and not a single reply from you. I think what you REALLY mean to say is "I only want people who agree with me to post in regards to this article."

Fuck off.

[time4fun]

Oh look, another post by you where you completely ignore my question. Either you're incapable of answering it or you're embarrassed by your answer. Which is it?

Post #4 without discussing the actual story.

Continuing the strategy of distracting from the story and then trying to focus on the other party not taking your distraction bait.

You will do anything not to have to deal with this very disturbing information.

[drauz]

First time the media connected Page to "Male-1". That's NOT a "small" part of the story.

Though, given how freely Page shared that information with them, it's difficult to imagine that he kept it from, say, the Trump campaign.

This raises serious questions about the actions of Page, the Trump campaign, and Kushner right after the events of 2013.


During the interview, Page described how he and the man identified as a Russian recruiter, Victor Podobnyy, met periodically and exchanged emails about the energy industry, but nothing in the court document suggests that Page shared any sensitive information with Podobnyy. Rather, it appears they spoke in much the way business executives seeking opportunities do – with Page touting his work ties to the Russian energy firm Gazprom. The Russians were heard laughing, saying Page had no idea they were government agents.

.

[Androidpk]

Wouldn't a normal campaign say, "We're staying far away from this"?

Wouldn't a normal person say, "Holy god, the Russians tried to do WHAT? I am staying far away from them"?

So like this?

Page was quickly cut from the Trump team following reports that federal investigators were probing (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html) his ties to Russian officials. White House press secretary Sean Spicer said (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-03-20-US--Trump-Campaign/id-7f89a4431cb944c5a7eda227c539b751) last month that the campaign had sent Page cease and desist letters last year, demanding he stop associating himself with it.

[Androidpk]

Post #4 without discussing the actual story.

Continuing the strategy of distracting from the story and then trying to focus on the other party not taking your distraction bait.

You will do anything not to have to deal with this very disturbing information.

I'm not distracting from the story, I'm asking you a legitimate fucking question. Are you incapable of answering simple questions???

[time4fun]

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Erm Drauz- I pointed this out myself in my original post. It was literally the first bullet item after the quotes from the article.

But my questions about his actions after the fact stand. Page became VERY close to Russian government officials and organizations after 2013.

If you found out that an enemy of the US was trying to unwittingly turn you into a foreign asset, would you then make it a point to get as close to that country's government officials as possible?

And why would he be appointed as a Foreign Affairs advisor to a Presidential campaign a few short years after that? He was a complete unknown at that point. What an interesting coincidence that the Trump campaign "just happened" to have stumbled upon this man and didn't have a problem with his background.

[Tgo01]

It's beyond hilarious that time4fun quoted this part of the article: "The revelation of Page’s connection to Russian intelligence — which occurred more than three years before his association with Trump — is the most clearly documented contact to date between Russian intelligence and someone in Trump’s orbit." being sure to point that "This is it! This is the most clearly documented contact!!! WE GOT HIM!"

And in the very same story it goes on to show that Page cooperated with the FBI, wasn't charged with anything, there was no evidence he passed off sensitive material, Page says he only discussed energy with them, and Page is cooperating with the congressional investigation into the Russia probe too.

The article also states:


A US intelligence official said that investigators intend to question Page eventually, but that he was not considered a high priority. “There’s so many people that are more relevant,” the official said.

The investigators have came right out and said Page is small potatoes and they'll get to him "eventually" and time4fun is touting this story like it's going to bring about the fall of Trump.

Shit like this makes me think she is just a masterful troll, because how can anyone be this dumb? You have to actively try to be this dumb.

[Tgo01]

If you found out that an enemy of the US was trying to unwittingly turn you into a foreign asset, would you then make it a point to get as close to that country's government officials as possible?

Are you just flat out making up shit now because you realize what a fucktard you made yourself look like? Make it a point to get as close as possible? What? You're acting like he was sucking off Putin on a nightly basis and begging to be given an office space in the Kremlin.

[drauz]

Page became VERY close to Russian government officials and organizations after 2013.

Source please. It is not in the article you presented.

[Androidpk]

If you found out that an enemy of the US


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM

[time4fun]

Source please. It is not in the article you presented.

Wait- seriously?

Okay- here's the big thing to keep in mind. Everything below- except his time at Lynch-happened AFTER Russian spies tried to make him a Russian asset. And he KNEW about the attempts

Background- Page worked at the Moscow Merrill Lynch office for years starting in 2004: (http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/carter-page-donald-trump-campaign-russia-vladimir-putin-meet-meeting-igor-sechin/)


Page has also worked on a number of transactions involving Russian oil companies. He has invested personally in Gazprom, a state-run oil company in Russia which operatives in conjunction with Vladimir Putin.

During a June Foreign policy meeting (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-advisers-public-comments-ties-to-moscow-stir-unease-in-both-parties/2016/08/05/2e8722fa-5815-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html?utm_term=.ed678828033a) with some Washington-types (and the Prime Minister of India), he started praising Vladimir Putin as a stronger leader than Obama. Then he went to Moscow the following month to give another anti-US foreign policy speech.

He later wrote an article for Global Policy Journal (http://www.globalpolicyjournal.com/blog/05/01/2015/no-justice-no-nuclear-peace-weapons-mass-destruction-age-inequity)referring to the "so-called Annexation of Crimea", and the "misguided policies of the West". The article basically tried to say that the US was the real aggressor.

He wrote yet another article (http://www.globalpolicyjournal.com/blog/10/02/2015/new-slaves-global-edition-russia-iran-and-segregation-world-economy) condemning the US sanctions against Russia.

Two weeks before the RNC last year (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html), he went back to Moscow and gave a University commencement speech:

Page showed up again in Moscow in early July, just two weeks before the Republican National Convention formally nominated Trump for president, and once again criticized U.S. policy. Speaking at a commencement address for the New Economic School, an institution funded in part by major Russian oligarchs close to Putin, Page asserted that “Washington and other West capitals” had impeded progress in Russia “through their often hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption and regime change.”

So, let's talk about the stuff he's really in trouble for:

Reportedly meeting with high ranking Russian officials about eliminating Russian sanctions (in 2016): (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html)


The activities of Trump adviser Carter Page, who has extensive business interests in Russia, have been discussed with senior members of Congress during recent briefings about suspected efforts by Moscow to influence the presidential election, the sources said. After one of those briefings, Senate minority leader Harry Reid wrote FBI Director James Comey, citing reports of meetings between a Trump adviser (a reference to Page) and “high ranking sanctioned individuals” in Moscow over the summer as evidence of “significant and disturbing ties” between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin that needed to be investigated by the bureau.

Page initially denied having any contact with any Russian officials, (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/trump-teams-many-many-denials-contacts-russia/98625780/) but, after several publications started to reveal his contacts he suddenly "remembered" meeting with some people (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/reversal-former-trump-campaign-adviser-carter-page-now-says-contact-russia/)- including the Russian ambassador that everyone on the Trump team meets with and yet always forgets about.

One such meeting (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html) that reportedly took place helped land him on the "investigate this guy" list:


But U.S. officials have since received intelligence reports that during that same three-day trip, Page met with Igor Sechin, a longtime Putin associate and former Russian deputy prime minister who is now the executive chairman of Rosneft, Russian’s leading oil company, a well-placed Western intelligence source tells Yahoo News. That meeting, if confirmed, is viewed as especially problematic by U.S. officials because the Treasury Department in August 2014 named Sechin to a list of Russian officials and businessmen sanctioned over Russia’s “illegitimate and unlawful actions in the Ukraine.”

Oh, and:


U.S. intelligence agencies have also received reports that Page met with another top Putin aide while in Moscow — Igor Diveykin. A former Russian security official, Diveykin now serves as deputy chief for internal policy and is believed by U.S. officials to have responsibility for intelligence collected by Russian agencies about the U.S. election, the Western intelligence source said

Finally, guess whose name turned up on the infamous Dossier? Carter Page!

Before Page was really on anyone's radar, the Trump Dossier claimed that Page and his associates were being promised a 19% stake in the giant Russian oil company- Rosneft- if he got Trump in office:

A dossier with unverified claims about President Donald Trump's ties to Russia contained allegations that Igor Sechin, the CEO of Russia's state oil company, offered former Trump ally Carter Page and his associates the brokerage of a 19% stake in the company in exchange for the lifting of US sanctions on Russia


In early December, Rosneft sold 19.5% of the business to unknown persons. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/30/1627621/-19-5-of-Rosneft-Russia-s-State-Oil-Co-Sold-to-Unknown-Parties)

[time4fun]

With Page it's the same problem as with Trump: saying you're not something and then absolutely acting as though you are.


You know a country tried to make you an unwitting asset, and so you start hopping over and meeting with people close to the country's "President"? You start giving speeches and writing articles praising Putin/Russia and lambasting your own country?

You lie about meetings with high level Russian officials and invest heavily in a Russian-owned oil company? You get involved in the campaign of a candidate that Russia is helping to win- as their foreign policy adviser despite having no real experience?

Ask yourself- are these the actions of someone who was being wooed into becoming a Russian operative but refused?

Or are these the actions of someone who was being wooed into becoming a Russian operative and accepted?

[Tgo01]

You know a country tried to make you an unwitting asset

I love the progression of your bullshit. It went from "Carter Page KNEW he was being recruited by Russian spies", to "a guy who was, in 2013, recruited by Russians to be a Russian asset", to page had no idea they were trying to recruit him. That's what we've been trying to tell you for 4 pages of bullshit now! Glad we finally got through that layer of bedrock known as your skull.


You start giving speeches and writing articles praising Putin/Russia and lambasting your own country?

Oh this is rich. So people who "lambaste" our country are suspect now? Shit, if that's the case I should report you to the FBI because you are one of the most self hating Americans I have seen.

You have lost all ability to even pretend to be able to debate shit like this with some semblance of rationality.

[Androidpk]

Time4fun still refusing to answer a simple question.

[RichardCranium]

If you found out that an enemy of the US...

Wait, what?

[time4fun]

Wait, what?

Russia. They are our enemy.

[time4fun]

Time4fun still refusing to answer a simple question.

Post 6 or 7 without dealing with the actual article. "Juvenile and transparent" said the New York Times. "Reminiscent of a TGo post" says the Washington Post.

[Wrathbringer]

Russia. They are our enemy.

Lol you lost

[RichardCranium]

Russia. They are our enemy.

Since when?

[Methais]

I forgot to keep up with this thread and now I'm too lazy to catch up.

Is time4fun still being wrong about everything while ignoring facts and all that and calling people "fools" who disagree with her?

[Gelston]

I forgot to keep up with this thread and now I'm too lazy to catch up.

Is time4fun still being wrong about everything while ignoring facts and all that and calling people "fools" who disagree with her?

Yes. Also we are at war with Russia according to her.

[Savageheart]

Ahem, I've been out for a while and I just gotta say... Just finished catching up with this gem and some other things

This thread is hilarious and awful in the sort of way you might watch a wife beating her husband to the theme song of Benny Hill.

The amount of debate team fallacies, false equivalence, and the TG special Conjunction Fallacy is off the charts.

While I'm at it everyone is stupider for having read anything Wraithbringer has ever posted here, marginally but measurably.

T4F it's like you're screaming at an ocean about being too deep, and the audience is made up of whales and sharks (I'm big on imagery this morning) - some of the shit you say might be accurate contextually but most of your audience can't comprehend your problems. Nor should they, fucking whales and sharks man.

More convinced than ever the only thing anyone is good with in this SUB is being an asshole. Its not even God, Party, Country, its Troll, Party, Troll.

In closing, fuck you, fuck you, FUCK YOU, you're cool PK - I'm out!

[Androidpk]

Post 6 or 7 without dealing with the actual article. "Juvenile and transparent" said the New York Times. "Reminiscent of a TGo post" says the Washington Post.

More lies. I read the article and called out your BS already. Now answer the question. Is a joke of a website okay to use if the actual substance of the piece is truly legitimate?

[Savageheart]

More lies. I read the article and called out your BS already. Now answer the question. Is a joke of a website okay to use if the actual substance of the piece is truly legitimate?

This is pretty much what Infowars, Breitbart & Washington Times do all day... Seems to be good enough for the conservative audience.

But then you have to qualify both what is observably legitimate and what is a joke of a website?

[Androidpk]

This is pretty much what Infowars, Breitbart & Washington Times do all day... Seems to be good enough for the conservative audience.

But then you have to qualify both what is observably legitimate and what is a joke of a website?

Both parties have their partisan websites that are "good enough" for them.

I was just pointing out to time4fun her own hypocrisy. I posted a single article from Breitbart last year and she continues to bring it up whenever she gets the chance, EVEN though the article in question was directly linking to a legitimate federal government website hosting federal government documents. It's why she refuses to answer my question because she knows how much of an idiot she's coming across as by linking to Buzzfeed.

[Parkbandit]

Try reading the article. BuzzFeed has broken more than one big story with this (they published the infamous Dossier), and Carter Page himself confirmed his identity here.

Holy shit.

I'd say you've reached Backlash levels of retard, but you passed him months ago.

Way to break that glass ceiling!

[Parkbandit]

Russia. They are our enemy.

What?

http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hillary-lavrov.jpg

[Savageheart]

Wait you mean the reset button didn't work?

[Androidpk]

Wait you mean the reset button didn't work?

The morons didn't even spell reset correctly!

[Parkbandit]

Wait you mean the reset button didn't work?

According to time4fun, no. We were enemies in the 80's, then not, then we hit that magical button and now we're enemies again.

[Androidpk]

According to time4fun, no. We were enemies in the 80's, then not, then we hit that magical button and now we're enemies again.

Who wants to bet she made fun of Romney over his comments on Russia?

[Savageheart]

If Russia and the US are friends, they are really really bad at it. It seems like the 80s all over again but how would I know I was born in 1980... my grasp of the Regan era is based on internet articles and the death of Mr Hooper.

I mean, they are super unhappy with us for tanking energy prices which drives a lot of their economy. Plus, all them sanctions and stuff.

We are unhappy with them for trying to be a super power again, and of course the minor detraction and subversion.

Also I hear Pooty Poot Poot is dreamy with his shirt off. No one wants a shirtless Trump.

[Gelston]

If Russia and the US are friends, they are really really bad at it. It seems like the 80s all over again but how would I know I was born in 1980... my grasp of the Regan era is based on internet articles and the death of Mr Hooper.

I mean, they are super unhappy with us for tanking energy prices which drives a lot of their economy. Plus, all them sanctions and stuff.

We are unhappy with them for trying to be a super power again, and of course the minor detraction and subversion.

Also I hear Pooty Poot Poot is dreamy with his shirt off. No one wants a shirtless Trump.

No one said friends, but there is a wide gulf between that and enemies. Rivals? Sure. Not enemies.

[Savageheart]

No one said friends, but there is a wide gulf between that and enemies. Rivals? Sure. Not enemies.

Agreed but we thrive on hyperbole here in Politics land.

Its as much a stretch to say enemies as allies - neither party is interested in the others interests and both continue to be provocative

[Gelston]

Agreed but we thrive on hyperbole here in Politics land.

Its as much a stretch to say enemies as allies - neither party is interested in the others interests and both continue to be provocative

Who called them allies?

[Tgo01]

Ahem, I've been out for a while and I just gotta say... Just finished catching up with this gem and some other things

This thread is hilarious and awful in the sort of way you might watch a wife beating her husband to the theme song of Benny Hill.

The amount of debate team fallacies, false equivalence, and the TG special Conjunction Fallacy is off the charts.

While I'm at it everyone is stupider for having read anything Wraithbringer has ever posted here, marginally but measurably.

T4F it's like you're screaming at an ocean about being too deep, and the audience is made up of whales and sharks (I'm big on imagery this morning) - some of the shit you say might be accurate contextually but most of your audience can't comprehend your problems. Nor should they, fucking whales and sharks man.

More convinced than ever the only thing anyone is good with in this SUB is being an asshole. Its not even God, Party, Country, its Troll, Party, Troll.

In closing, fuck you, fuck you, FUCK YOU, you're cool PK - I'm out!

What a bunch of pseudo intellectual bullshit with zero substance.

[Savageheart]

You keep trotting out that pseudo intellectual line, which in itself seems pseudo intellectual. :clown:

Either way I'm not actually sure what you mean, but then as long as it's antagonistic who cares about substance?

[Ashliana]

If Russia and the US are friends, they are really really bad at it.

Its as much a stretch to say enemies as allies


No one said friends, but there is a wide gulf between that and enemies. Rivals? Sure. Not enemies.

The term used most frequently in the defense world (publicly cited by both John McCain, Rex Tillerson, etc) is "adversary," effectively, a US enemy -- or at the very least, part of a group which should be treated with the utmost caution and skepticism.

[Savageheart]

Who called them allies?

Making a comment not an argument.

[Gelston]

The term used most frequently in the defense world (publicly cited by both John McCain, Rex Tillerson, etc) is "adversary," effectively, a US enemy -- or at the very least, part of a group which should be treated with the utmost caution and skepticism.

Adversary is a step above enemy. North Korea I'd say we could call an enemy, Russia? No.

[Androidpk]

North Korea, yes.
ISIS/ISIL/daesh, yes.
Russia, no.
China, no.

[Tgo01]

Either way I'm not actually sure what you mean

Of course you don't know what pseudo intellectual means, that was sort of my point.

[macgyver]

TLDR Advesary is a nation-state with opposing world views that we can't go in and blow up easily aka Russia and China. Everyone else are 'bad state actors' like North Korea or Iraq (during Saddam). It's a power difference.

[Savageheart]

Of course you don't know what pseudo intellectual means, that was sort of my point.

Oh you, you crafty guy you, foisted on my own petard!

No silly billy I know exactly what pseudo-intellectual means I just didn't understand your comment as it was half generic stock answer you are fond of and the other half gibberish.

Lets be honest what sort of status could I claim with this bunch, I don't take anyone here seriously enough?

You're attacking my credibility by attacking my intelligence - its the Politics sub version of Hey Baby, wanna netflix and chill?

Which admittedly works some of the time, like Sex Panther... From now on when I think of you, I will think of Sex Panther.

Because your arguments smell like gasoline and urine. HAH! GOT'EM!

https://img.memesuper.com/b2dcbeda1662ebcbbd12ec2dc51568c2_61602817jpg-oh-got-em-meme_357-347.jpeg

[Tgo01]

Oh you, you crafty guy you, foisted on my own petard!

No silly billy I know exactly what pseudo-intellectual means I just didn't understand your comment as it was half generic stock answer you are fond of and the other half gibberish.

Lets be honest what sort of status could I claim with this bunch, I don't take anyone here seriously enough?

You're attacking my credibility by attacking my intelligence - its the Politics sub version of Hey Baby, wanna netflix and chill?

Which admittedly works some of the time, like Sex Panther... From now on when I think of you, I will think of Sex Panther.

Because your arguments smell like gasoline and urine. HAH! GOT'EM!

Uh-huh.

My point was your post was full of self congratulatory bullshit implying how oh so smart you are and how oh so dumb everyone else is, yet you didn't even bother putting forth any sort of argument or your positions on anything being discussed.

No, your post was basically: I read all of these posts, you all are stupid, I'm too smart for this.

time4fun may be as useless as they come, but at least she puts her opinion out there for all to see, she just sucks at defending her position.

But hey, I guess you can never be "wrong" if you never have an opinion on something, right? Just keep heckling away while pretending to be above it all!

Savageheart and friend:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/c/c8/Statlerandwaldorf.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20060116235551

[Androidpk]

Tgo extra sensitive today.

[Tgo01]

Tgo extra sensitive today.

Calling out bullshit like I always do. Someone's gotta do it.

[Savageheart]

Calling out bullshit like I always do. Someone's gotta do it.

Ok Sex Panther let's look at your original reply


What a bunch of pseudo intellectual bullshit with zero substance.

How does one infer you were making any comment about my 'alleged' self congratulatory prose.

"Pseudo-Intellectual Bullshit" a person who pretends an interest in intellectual matters for reasons of status. A pretend intellectual who wants status if you will.

Please cite the specific examples.

Just because someone calls your antics high-school debate team worthy, and points out your talent for sniffing out Conjunctive Fallacies doesn't mean they don't think you're still pretty or smart.

I paid you a compliment but I think you missed it pumpkin, I could have followed it up with saying you replied in kind with Fallacy Fallacies of your own. Which is kind of the equivalent of a double negative, unfortunately two logical fallacies do not make a truth.

http://media.toxicfox.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/e/sex_panther.jpg

[Tgo01]

"Pseudo-Intellectual Bullshit" a person who pretends an interest in intellectual matters for reasons of status. A pretend intellectual who wants status if you will.

That's not the definition I was using.

"Spuriously intellectual; falsely supposed or purporting to be intellectual; (hence) intellectually pretentious or affected."

Keep on proving my point though.


Just because someone calls your antics high-school debate team worthy, and points out your talent for sniffing out Conjunctive Fallacies

And you continue to prove my point. High-school debate team antics! OMG! Fallacies! OMG! What was your argument in all of this again? Oh that's right, you apparently have no opinion. You're just here to shit on everyone else who does have an opinion because you want to feel superior to everyone else.

[Savageheart]

Oooo you Q-T Pie! You got my goose this time! But wait, there's more!

Pseudo literally means not actually but having the appearance of - Spuriously also means "not having" or "not genuine" - Intellectually Pretentious implies actual intellectual status by nature. You cannot have what your (and my) definition defies the existence of.

I do not think that means what you think it means

http://perusingtheprairie.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/panther.jpg

My argument is you're a troll and only practice in the adversary not the opinion. I thought I made it pretty plain? You often attack folks character, intelligence and stature rather than the substance of their thoughts, and you pounce (like a sexy panther) on the slightest technical fault rather than the summary whole.

It's a very effective debate tactic, it does nothing to uncover the truth or even propose your own defensible argument though. Which is fine if all you wanted was a target to oppose

[Androidpk]

lol@CNN..

"Sources say President Trump's allegation that former National Security Adviser Susan Rice improperly unmasked information is false."

Sad!

[Tgo01]

Oooo you Q-T Pie! You got my goose this time! But wait, there's more!

Pseudo literally means not actually but having the appearance of - Spuriously also means "not having" or "not genuine" - Intellectually Pretentious implies actual intellectual status by nature. You cannot have what your (and my) definition defies the existence of.

I do not think that means what you think it means

Aww my image was busted!

My argument is you're a troll and only practice in the adversary not the opinion. I thought I made it pretty plain? You often attack folks character, intelligence and stature rather than the substance of their thoughts, and you pounce (like a sexy panther) on the slightest technical fault rather than the summary whole.

It's a very effective debate tactic, it does nothing to uncover the truth or even propose your own defensible argument though. Which is fine if all you wanted was a target to oppose

There you go trying to sound smart again and yet still can't be bothered to actually offer his opinion on anything being discussed!

Nope. All you have are ad hominems, distractions, strawmans, and assorted other fallacies.

Keep going, Savageheart, you might accidentally make a valid argument.

[Savageheart]

lol@CNN..

"Sources say President Trump's allegation that former National Security Adviser Susan Rice improperly unmasked information is false."

Sad!

I mean link the whole article

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/susan-rice-obama-donald-trump-intelligence/index.html

[Androidpk]

It's still pathetic that CNN is trying to downplay the fact that Obama's administration is behind all of this by politicizing classified information.

[Savageheart]

There you go trying to sound smart again and yet still can't be bothered to actually offer his opinion on anything being discussed!

Nope. All you have are ad hominems, distractions, strawmans, and assorted other fallacies.

Keep going, Savageheart, you might accidentally make a valid argument.

Citation needed for the lulz

You can't even get a definition proper without my help Sex Panther, now you're outright implying I'm stupid. For shames snugglebum!

You're actually doing the thing you're accusing me of, WAIT WAIT, IS TG A RUSSION BOTNET?!!!!!

I've been offering plenty of opinions you just don't seem to appreciate them!

Then you're attacking my character via calling my out my 'alleged' pseudo-intellect, while some how insisting this actually makes me pretentiously intellectual (which THE COMBINATION OF is an oxymoron)

Then insisting I have no grounds because I reacted to the information being provided here rather than asserting my own, I did plenty of both just not in that single post - which again goes back to your talent with Fallacy Fallacies.

Now then, are we still friends? Did I hurt you?

[Savageheart]

It's still pathetic that CNN is trying to downplay the fact that Obama's administration is behind all of this by politicizing classified information.

I kinda agree that they put the poison pill in there, however they didn't make the poison. Partisan is partisan, and smoke is still smoke.

[Androidpk]

I kinda agree that they put the poison pill in there, however they didn't make the poison. Partisan is partisan, and smoke is still smoke.

Smoke is smoke but smoke isn't always fire and so far we haven't seen any evidence of any fire, only pointless fear mongering.

[Savageheart]

Smoke is smoke but smoke isn't always fire and so far we haven't seen any evidence of any fire, only pointless fear mongering.

Well we gotta go back to the whole thing about investigations, we're not really at the presentation phase right now it would sabotage the investigations... Plural.


OooooOOoo my name is red now, am I a Republican?

[Methais]

Both parties have their partisan websites that are "good enough" for them.

I was just pointing out to time4fun her own hypocrisy. I posted a single article from Breitbart last year and she continues to bring it up whenever she gets the chance, EVEN though the article in question was directly linking to a legitimate federal government website hosting federal government documents. It's why she refuses to answer my question because she knows how much of an idiot she's coming across as by linking to Buzzfeed.

Oh yeah well Breitbart doesn't have "fact" in the name like Politifact does so what now? You better apologize to time4fun while you still have the chance before she calls you a fool.

[Androidpk]

Well we gotta go back to the whole thing about investigations, we're not really at the presentation phase right now it would sabotage the investigations... Plural.

Yes and that swings both ways.

[Savageheart]

It all does, it just depends on your personal politics - thats kinda the point both sides are acting like this is original or new.

[Androidpk]

Oh yeah well Breitbart doesn't have "fact" in the name like Politifact does so what now? You better apologize to time4fun while you still have the chance before she calls you a fool.

In before Ashliana calls me a raging conservative.

[Androidpk]

Either way I wouldn't want to be in Rice's shoes right now. She needs to come before Congress and explain her actions.

[Ashliana]

In before Ashliana calls me a raging conservative.


Either way I wouldn't want to be in Rice's shoes right now. She needs to come before Congress and explain her actions.

How could I mistake you for anything but the "moderate" that you are, literally buying hook, line and sinker into Trump's obvious smokescreen tactics not a single post later?

https://media.giphy.com/media/UWRyZHCsHtBFS/giphy.gif

[Androidpk]

How could I mistake you for anything but the "moderate" that you are, literally buying hook, line and sinker into Trump's obvious smokescreen tactics not a single post later?

https://media.giphy.com/media/UWRyZHCsHtBFS/giphy.gif

No one is interested in your fringe-left thoughts.

[Methais]

Oh you, you crafty guy you, foisted on my own petard!

No silly billy I know exactly what pseudo-intellectual means I just didn't understand your comment as it was half generic stock answer you are fond of and the other half gibberish.

Lets be honest what sort of status could I claim with this bunch, I don't take anyone here seriously enough?

You're attacking my credibility by attacking my intelligence - its the Politics sub version of Hey Baby, wanna netflix and chill?

Which admittedly works some of the time, like Sex Panther... From now on when I think of you, I will think of Sex Panther.

Because your arguments smell like gasoline and urine. HAH! GOT'EM!

https://img.memesuper.com/b2dcbeda1662ebcbbd12ec2dc51568c2_61602817jpg-oh-got-em-meme_357-347.jpeg

Have you not figured out yet that he's been trolling you and you've taken the bait 100% of the time?

[Ashliana]

No one is interested in your fringe-left thoughts.

"You're fringe-left, getting your news from places like the Washington Post, Forbes, WSJ, Politico, BBC... Why can't you just leave me and my 'centrist' views, informed by Breitbart, the Drudge Report, Gatewaypundit, etc., alone and stop criticizing me?"
-Androidpk, unironically

[Methais]

But hey, I guess you can never be "wrong" if you never have an opinion on something, right?

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/17792314_10154822932817535_30407840_n.png?oh=f620f 58ca2df676f63643dea6c499ee7&oe=58E591DC

[Tgo01]

I've been offering plenty of opinions you just don't seem to appreciate them!

Ah yes, who could forget gems such as this:


I mean link the whole article

Riveting!


You can't even get a definition proper without my help Sex Panther, now you're outright implying I'm stupid. For shames snugglebum!

You are now correcting the Oxford English Dictionary on their definition of pseudo intellectual?

You are so very smart! Let me help you sound more smart with some simple grammatical fixes.


Citation needed for the lulz.*

Be sure to end your sentences with proper punctuation.


You can't even get a definition proper without my help,* Sex Panther, now you're outright implying I'm stupid. For shames ,*snugglebum!

When addressing someone directly you should enclose their name/title/nickname/etc in commas.


You're actually doing the thing you're accusing me of, WAIT WAIT, IS TG A RUSSION BOTNET?!!!!!

This is a run-on sentence.


Then you're attacking my character via calling my out my 'alleged' pseudo-intellect, while some how insisting this actually makes me pretentiously intellectual (which THE COMBINATION OF is an oxymoron)

You forgot your punctuation again. Not to mention you clearly don't understand the words you are using.

Keep trying, Savageheart. One day we might be able to drop the word "pseudo" from your title.

[Savageheart]

You're adorable look at you Sex Panther, none of that actually means anything!

You're retreading your trolling, its just wonderful to watch you shine. You've quoted a bunch of things out of context and some how moved the goal posts to "grammar matters on the internet ferems!!!!Oneone!"

It's all brand new when it's you sunshine, I love it.

Shine on you crazy Sex Panther you.

I want to keep fucking with you, but you are all the fool you can already and I gots to finish the day.

Really great stuff pumpkin I especially like the part where you and Methias started circle jerking each other - it was to exquisite!

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[Tgo01]

You're adorable look at you Sex Panther, none of that actually means anything!

I just taught you this! You need to enclose a name in commas. This also pertains to pet names.


You're retreading your trolling, its just wonderful to watch you shine. You've quoted a bunch of things out of context and some how moved the goal posts to "grammar matters on the internet ferems!!!!Oneone!"

Hey I'm just trying to help you sound like the smart guy that you are! You're the guy who knows more about words than the Oxford English Dictionary after all.

Speaking of which I can't help but notice you sometimes use one space after a period and sometimes two. While using two spaces was the norm back in the old days, these days a single space is all that's required. If you want to use two spaces anyways that's great but at least be consistent.


It's all brand new when it's you sunshine, I love it.

Comma! You're not sounding very smart at the moment!


Really great stuff pumpkin I especially like the part where you and Methias started circle jerking each other - it was to exquisite!

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[Back]

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[Savageheart]

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[Tgo01]

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I think Savageheart is about to pull out the "I was just pretending to be retarded, guys!"

[Savageheart]

I think Savageheart is about to pull out the "I was just pretending to be retarded, guys!"

Oh the hits just keep on coming, I must have gotten under your skin a bit pooky. I still think you're aces kid.

I just love Dr. Cox don't you?

Quick question!

If you're still doing this who's throwing shit at the zoo?

[Tgo01]

Oh the hits just keep on coming, I must have gotten under your skin a bit pooky. I still think you're aces kid.

I just love Dr. Cox don't you?

Quick question!

If you're still doing this who's throwing shit at the zoo?

And there it is:

http://i.imgur.com/n8umjWj.png

Thanks for playing, Savageheart.

[Savageheart]

Are we playing catch Sex Panther, or charades, or pokemons? Maybe POGs!

I can't see your image sadly I'm sure its big league awesome though.

[Methais]

The only thing I've learned from this exchange is that Savageheart's insults are on par with the quality of Bob Saget's jokes when he was hosting America's Funniest Home Videos.


I can't see your image sadly I'm sure its big league awesome though.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/image.php?u=6650&dateline=1425970258

[Androidpk]

"You're fringe-left, getting your news from places like the Washington Post, Forbes, WSJ, Politico, BBC... Why can't you just leave me and my 'centrist' views, informed by Breitbart, the Drudge Report, Gatewaypundit, etc., alone and stop criticizing me?"
-Androidpk, unironically

Now I'm a centrist.. make up your mind, lady.

[RichardCranium]

I once again throw my hat in the ring to moderate the politics folder.

[Parkbandit]

Now I'm a centrist.. make up your mind, lady.

You just made It's day.

[Androidpk]

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[Back]

Yeah... Putin's Russia is not, and will never be, our friends. He will provoke, troll, bully, and use any means to get what he wants. The former glory of Mother Russia.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah... Putin's Russia is not, and will never be, our friends. He will provoke, troll, bully, and use any means to get what he wants. The former glory of Mother Russia.

As a communist, isn't a future with Russia one of your dreams? Remember how bad capitalism is??

[Candor]

As a communist, isn't a future with Russia one of your dreams? Remember how bad capitalism is??

The common excuse from liberals is that the wrong people are in charge in Russia. Of course, in their view that's always been the problem...always...

[Back]

The common excuse from liberals is that the wrong people are in charge in Russia. Of course, in their view that's always been the problem...always...

Reagan, Gorbachev, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Yeltson were able to find common ground most likely due to the Russian leaders at the time.

[Parkbandit]

Reagan, Gorbachev, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Yeltson were able to find common ground most likely due to the Russian leaders at the time.

I often wonder if you even know what you are typing about 94% of the time.

[Back]

THIS IS HOW THE NEXT WORLD WAR STARTS

With one miscalculation, by one startled pilot, at 400 miles an hour. And now that Russia is determined to destabilize the West, this scenario is keeping the military establishment up at night. (http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/trump-russia-putin-military-crisis/)


Neither Putin nor Trump, it’s safe to say, are crisis managers by nature. Both are notoriously thin-skinned, operate on instinct, and have a tendency to shun expert advice. (These days, Putin is said to surround himself not with seasoned diplomats but cronies from his old spy days.) Both are unafraid of brazenly lying, fueling an atmosphere of extreme distrust on both sides. Stavridis, who has studied both Putin and Trump and who met with Trump in December, concluded that the two leaders “are not risk-averse. They are risk-affectionate.”

[drauz]

THIS IS HOW THE NEXT WORLD WAR STARTS

With one miscalculation, by one startled pilot, at 400 miles an hour. And now that Russia is determined to destabilize the West, this scenario is keeping the military establishment up at night. (http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/trump-russia-putin-military-crisis/)

The boogieman is gonna get you!

[Parkbandit]

THIS IS HOW THE NEXT WORLD WAR STARTS

With one miscalculation, by one startled pilot, at 400 miles an hour. And now that Russia is determined to destabilize the West, this scenario is keeping the military establishment up at night. (http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/trump-russia-putin-military-crisis/)


You seriously should stay off Huffingtonpost.com

It's a site for retards.

Oh wait.. you're right at home.

Carry on.

[time4fun]

Either way I wouldn't want to be in Rice's shoes right now. She needs to come before Congress and explain her actions.

Jesus you're a parody of yourself.

That Rice claim is from Daily Caller and Drudge Report, for one.

And do you know who their source was? Joe DiGenova.

The fact that any of you are taking him seriously is just sad. Go look him up. He's got a long history of making things up. You even fell for some of his crap during the Great Email Panic of 2016.

Seriously, learn to read critically and fact check.

[time4fun]

lol@CNN..

"Sources say President Trump's allegation that former National Security Adviser Susan Rice improperly unmasked information is false."

Sad!

*facepalm*

[time4fun]

So like this?

Page was quickly cut from the Trump team following reports that federal investigators were probing (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html) his ties to Russian officials. White House press secretary Sean Spicer said (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-03-20-US--Trump-Campaign/id-7f89a4431cb944c5a7eda227c539b751) last month that the campaign had sent Page cease and desist letters last year, demanding he stop associating himself with it.

Yeah same with Manafort. Same with Flynn.

Your point is ridiculous. The Trump campaign couldn't have possibly NOT known Page's history. All your little paragraph shows is the they have a history of waiting to get rid of these folks until it becomes public knowledge.

Also, I LOVE that you took Spicer's word for the C&Ds. Hilarious. Trump named Page as one of his top foreign advisors (an energy guy whose international experience was...Russia). His campaign even approved Page's trips to Russia.


And, how on Earth do they keep "accidentally" finding these people? Not a single one of you have ever managed to explain that.

[Androidpk]

All your little paragraph shows is the they have a history of waiting to get rid of these folks until it becomes public knowledge.

Kind of like how the DNC leadership were forced to step down last year after it was found out they were rigging the primary? :lol:

[Back]

Kind of like how the DNC leadership were forced to step down last year after it was found out they were rigging the primary? :lol:

BUTHILLARY!

[time4fun]

Kind of like how the DNC leadership were forced to step down last year after it was found out they were rigging the primary? :lol:

PK.. The Kellyanne Conway of PC.

Distorted information, questionable sources, debunked claims, and then usually some insane statement about Hilary or the Democrats.

Literally all you do is try to shift the conversation to something else- usually totally untrue- so you don't have to talk about the facts.

It's really sad that this is all you have to offer.

[Androidpk]

PK.. The Kellyanne Conway of PC.

Distorted information, questionable sources, debunked claims, and then usually some insane statement about Hilary or the Democrats.

Literally all you do is try to shift the conversation to something else- usually totally untrue- so you don't have to talk about the facts.

It's really sad that this is all you have to offer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26-VzfBZg1w

[Neveragain]

PK.. The Kellyanne Conway of PC.

Distorted information, questionable sources, debunked claims, and then usually some insane statement about Hilary or the Democrats.

Literally all you do is try to shift the conversation to something else- usually totally untrue- so you don't have to talk about the facts.

It's really sad that this is all you have to offer.

A republican white house, house, senate and over 900 seats lost in 8 years suggests who the American voter believes are the insane ones.

Rigged election, giving away debate questions, a soft boiled media and the Democrats still lost to a Reality TV star.

Those are the facts sugar britches, the Democrats must purge themselves of people like you before they start winning again.

[Parkbandit]

PK.. The Kellyanne Conway of PC.

Distorted information, questionable sources, debunked claims, and then usually some insane statement about Hilary or the Democrats.

Literally all you do is try to shift the conversation to something else- usually totally untrue- so you don't have to talk about the facts.

It's really sad that this is all you have to offer.

Still 342% more than you've ever offered.

Let me guess: The Russians!

[Tgo01]

He can slam the nytimes repeatedly but not Russia? Sounds very trump-ish.

Trump called out Putin today about backing an "evil" person like Assad.

I guess now the narrative has to change to "US/Russian ties were getting closer then Trump fucked it all up and now we're REALLY enemies with Russia!"

[Ashliana]

Trump called out Putin today about backing an "evil" person like Assad.

I guess now the narrative has to change to "US/Russian ties were getting closer then Trump fucked it all up and now we're REALLY enemies with Russia!"

It's more like "Putin realized Trump is too retarded and mentally unstable to make use of, even as a puppet."

[Tgo01]

It's more like "Putin realized Trump is too retarded and mentally unstable to make use of, even as a puppet."

Which left wing pundit did you get this "theory" from?

[time4fun]

It's more like "Putin realized Trump is too retarded and mentally unstable to make use of, even as a puppet."

A cynical person might point out that Trump and Putin suddenly started fighting at a very convenient time.

[Tgo01]

A cynical person might point out that Trump and Putin suddenly started fighting at a very convenient time.

And the conspiracy theories keep on rolling in. Let's hear your theory, time4fun.

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[Parkbandit]

A retarded mouth breather might point out that Trump and Putin suddenly started fighting at a very convenient time.

Thank you for pointing it out.

[SHAFT]

https://youtu.be/YKQ78rZP6z8

[SHAFT]

https://youtu.be/SMj1Pcncy8s

[Tgo01]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/russia-trump-campaign-advisers-infiltrate/


The FBI gathered intelligence last summer that suggests Russian operatives tried to use Trump advisers, including Carter Page, to infiltrate the Trump campaign, according to US officials.

The new information adds to the emerging picture of how the Russians tried to influence the 2016 election, not only through email hacks and propaganda but also by trying to infiltrate the Trump orbit. The intelligence led to an investigation into the coordination of Trump's campaign associates and the Russians.

Wait a minute. If Trump is a Russian spy, or at the very least colluded with Putin, then why was Russia trying to infiltrate Trump's campaign? Wouldn't Trump be welcoming them with open arms since he's Putin's stooge?

Wait wait, let me guess, the new narrative is Russia "tried" to infiltrate Trump's campaign...and then succeeded! And managed to brain wash Trump within two hours since he's so weak willed and all. I about sum up the latest bullshit twist in this saga?

[Androidpk]

No one cares anymore. The whole Russia! spin was orchestrated by Robby Mook and John Podesta immediately after Hillary lost the election.

[Tgo01]

No one cares anymore.

You should tell that to mainstream media, non-mainstream media, Reddit, and Facebook.

[Androidpk]

You should tell that to mainstream media, non-mainstream media, Reddit, and Facebook.

Retarded libs gonna do what retarded libs do. Most Americans don't even care about this made up shit.

[Methais]

Robby Mook



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vw8t4O9JQM

[Gelston]

Not a whisper of scandal is what he said.

Even though there are glaringly obvious scandals.

[Tgo01]

Not a whisper of scandal is what he said.

Even though there are glaringly obvious scandals.

?

[Gelston]

?

Biden said the Obama presidency didn't have a whisper of scandal.

[Tgo01]

Biden said the Obama presidency didn't have a whisper of scandal.

I'm sure the media is going to call him out on that though. Any day now...

[Gelston]

I'm sure the media is going to call him out on that though. Any day now...

He said it on the View or whatever. They didn't even bother to call him out, they all just clapped.

[~Rocktar~]

He said it on the View or whatever. They didn't even bother to call him out, they all just clapped.

I can't wait for the indictments for FISA abuse and lying to the FISA court come out.

[Stumplicker]

My memory is a little fuzzy, but wasn't there a whole deal about the NSA spying on every phone, internet, and webcam conversation of every citizen of the United States? That sounds I mean...a little scandalous at least. They even made a movie about it. I think it was called Observe and Report.

[Tgo01]

My memory is a little fuzzy, but wasn't there a whole deal about the NSA spying on every phone, internet, and webcam conversation of every citizen of the United States? That sounds I mean...a little scandalous at least. They even made a movie about it. I think it was called Observe and Report.

The Obama administration was also caught tapping the phones of the PM of Germany, but since Merkel and Obama were such good buddies they just pretended like it never happened. The Obama administration was also caught tapping phones of reporters, I want to say they worked for Reuters. To Reuters credit compared to Merkel, they didn't pretend it never happened, but they didn't report on it as much as they would have if say Trump had done something like that.

Let's not forget the IRS targeting conservative groups, Benghazi, Fast and Furious.

There were many scandals during Obama's presidency. The only difference is the media either completely ignored them, downplayed them, or ran interference for the Obama administration.

[Gelston]

Fast and Furious was a pretty big one too.

[Parkbandit]

I can't wait for the indictments for FISA abuse and lying to the FISA court come out.

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[~Rocktar~]

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Sad thing is, you might be right even though it needs too.

I did find this, though I am unsure of how much will become of it.

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/ex-u-s-attorney-bombshell-report-on-comey-coming/

[Parkbandit]

Sad thing is, you might be right even though it needs too.

I did find this, though I am unsure of how much will become of it.

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/ex-u-s-attorney-bombshell-report-on-comey-coming/

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