Smart things conservatives say:

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“The immensity of what you’re doing is too important in human history. You don’t want to miss this chance.” - Rep. John Culberson (R-Tex.)

Speaking to NASA scientists about the Europa mission.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/inside-nasas-daring-8-billion-plan-to-finally-find-extraterrestrial-life/?mbid=synd_digg

[Tgo01]

Everything.

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“This isn’t the 1990s,” Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) said Tuesday afternoon. “There’s an internet now. They used to be able to corral people much more easily. Today we’re in a different world.”

Republican Opposition To Health Care Bill Cracks Open Door To Negotiations (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-health-care-whip-list_us_58d1819ae4b00705db537afa?)

[drauz]

http://i.imgur.com/Ol29U3x.png

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

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“The very last thing that John Podesta just said is no individual should be too big to jail,” Flynn told Todd. “That should include people like Hillary Clinton. I mean, five people around her have been given immunity, to include her former chief of staff. When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-testimony_us_58dd889fe4b0e6ac7093b323?5m79oc7olzxh l4n29&

[Parkbandit]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-testimony_us_58dd889fe4b0e6ac7093b323?5m79oc7olzxh l4n29&

So, do you believe that crimes were committed with the Hillary server scandal?

[Androidpk]

So, do you believe that crimes were committed with the Hillary server scandal?

Of course he doesn't.

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So, do you believe that crimes were committed with the Hillary server scandal?

But Clinton!

No, I don't, because they weren't found guilty.

[Parkbandit]

But Clinton!

No, I don't, because they weren't found guilty.

So... did you even have a point in posting, then using bold face on the post you made?

Or did you not understand what you were posting? You saw Huffington Post and Flynn and thought you had an "AHA!" moment?

[Parkbandit]

2010 Dems lost the House
2012 Dems lost the Senate
2016 Dems lost the White House
2017 Dems lost ability to reason
It's not Russia, it's YOU

Rob Schneider (https://twitter.com/RobSchneider) via twitter

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So... did you even have a point in posting, then using bold face on the post you made?

Or did you not understand what you were posting? You saw Huffington Post and Flynn and thought you had an "AHA!" moment?

Not quite. With you being such a big fan of calling out hypocrisy I thought you would get a kick out of hearing what Flynn, and Trump, said about seeking immunity before they got into office. You're welcome.

[Androidpk]

Not quite. With you being such a big fan of calling out hypocrisy I thought you would get a kick out of hearing what Flynn, and Trump, said about seeking immunity before they got into office. You're welcome.

What are your thoughts on people that seek immunity agreements? Guilty of a crime or just being careful?

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What are your thoughts on people that seek immunity agreements? Guilty of a crime or just being careful?

I want immunity before I answer that even though I have a big story to tell and am not guilty of anything.

[Parkbandit]

“I don’t think she answered the question, ‘did she unmask people in the Trump administration?' she said, ‘maybe I did, but I didn’t do it for political reasons.'”
“I think it’s incumbent on her to show to the American people why it wouldn’t have been a political reason.”
“If someone were investigating the Trump administration, it ought to be the F.B.I. not someone in the White house, she’s a political appointee that reports directly to the president.”
“The real question we need to ask is did the president eavesdrop and sift through all of the mountains of intelligence we have?”
“Did you know that over a million Americans’ phone calls are listened to without a warrant? We need to protect American privacy.”
“We can’t allow intelligence to be used for political purposes.” - Rand Paul regarding Susan Rice's unmasking of Trump Administration officials.

[Parkbandit]

I want immunity before I answer that even though I have a big story to tell and am not guilty of anything.

No one cares about your "big story" that is probably made up.

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http://www.gopusa.com/mccain-calls-nuclear-option-proponents-stupid-idiots/


McCain Calls Nuclear Option Proponents ‘Stupid Idiots’McCain Calls Nuclear Option Proponents ‘Stupid Idiots’

Perpetual GOP malcontent Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called lawmakers “stupid” who believed invoking the so-called “nuclear option” to confirm Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court would ultimately improve the Senate, during a gaggle with reporters Tuesday.

The Arizona senator was prompted Tuesday by an unidentified reporter to react to individuals who say “the Senate will be a better place” after the nuclear option is invoked.

“I would like to meet that idiot,” McCain fired back, “I would like to meet that numbskull that would say that, that after 200 years — at least 100 years — of this tradition where the Senate has functioned pretty well, they think it’d be a good idea to blow it up.”

[Tgo01]

http://www.gopusa.com/mccain-calls-nuclear-option-proponents-stupid-idiots/





McCain was smart for saying that? So clearly Reid and his fellow Democrat dipshits were stupid when they deployed the nuclear option in 2013, right?

[Latrinsorm]

One of the very best innovations of the Trump administration is the spread of "gaggle" in this context.

[Parkbandit]

“I think as a woman who is in elective office, it is disappointing to me. She has the opportunity to role model graciousness but she is choosing to live and stew in bitterness and to blame somebody else.” -Rep. Marsha Blackburn on Hillary Clinton "taking responsibility" for her loss

[Androidpk]

Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, expressed outrage Thursday at video that appears to show Erdogan's bodyguards violently breaking up a protest earlier this week outside the Turkish ambassador's residence in Washington.

"We should throw their ambassador the hell out of the United States of America," said McCain on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
McCain said "this kind of thing cannot go un-responded to diplomatically." He suggested that lawsuits should be filed if the responsible bodyguards can be identified.

[drauz]

Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, expressed outrage Thursday at video that appears to show Erdogan's bodyguards violently breaking up a protest earlier this week outside the Turkish ambassador's residence in Washington.

"We should throw their ambassador the hell out of the United States of America," said McCain on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
McCain said "this kind of thing cannot go un-responded to diplomatically." He suggested that lawsuits should be filed if the responsible bodyguards can be identified.[/FONT][/COLOR]

That video was pretty brutal.

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As President George W. Bush said at the dedication ceremony for the National Museum of African American History & Culture, “A great nation does not hide its history. It faces its flaws and corrects them.”

[Parkbandit]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-europe-lead-climate-world-waits-trump-103213516.html

Personally, he should have given this treaty over to Congress to approve or reject.. where it should of gone in the first place.

Oh wait.. it's not a "treaty" it's an "accord"........................................

[ClydeR]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-europe-lead-climate-world-waits-trump-103213516.html

Personally, he should have given this treaty over to Congress to approve or reject.. where it should of gone in the first place.

Oh wait.. it's not a "treaty" it's an "accord"........................................



What do we owe Paris?

The author of this article shares my feelings on the Paris accord..


I’m old school. Back when I was growing up we did not have climate change or global warming. We had something called weather. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter. It’s an inconvenient truth, but it needed to be said.

And many of us appreciate President Trump putting America first – instead of a bunch of godless European vegetarians who don’t put ice in their soft drinks .

“I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris,” the president said in the Rose Garden.

More... (http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/hollywood-freaks-out-over-paris-climate-accord)

[Parkbandit]

“Do you ever wonder why, of all the things in this investigation, the only thing that’s never been leaked is the fact that the president was not personally under investigation, despite the fact that both Democrats and Republicans and the leadership of Congress knew that and have known that for weeks?” -Marco Rubio to James Comey

This was the Marco Rubio I wanted for President.

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Former RNC Chair Michael Steele: Trump’s Evangelical Backers Need To ‘Shut The Hell Up’ (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-steele-evangelicals-trump_us_5a67f37be4b0e5630074aa39?ncid=inblnkushpm g00000009)


“I have a very simple admonition at this point,” Steele said on “Hardball” on MSNBC. “Just shut the hell up and don’t ever preach to me about anything ever again. I don’t want to hear it.”

“After telling me how to live my life, who to love, what to believe, what not to believe, what to do and what not to do and now you sit back and the prostitutes don’t matter? The grabbing the you-know-what doesn’t matter? The outright behavior and lies don’t matter? Just shut up.”

Amen, brother.

[Wrathbringer]

Former RNC Chair Michael Steele: Trump’s Evangelical Backers Need To ‘Shut The Hell Up’ (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-steele-evangelicals-trump_us_5a67f37be4b0e5630074aa39?ncid=inblnkushpm g00000009)



Amen, brother.

You lost. Get over it.

[Methais]

Former RNC Chair Michael Steele: Trump’s Evangelical Backers Need To ‘Shut The Hell Up’ (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-steele-evangelicals-trump_us_5a67f37be4b0e5630074aa39?ncid=inblnkushpm g00000009)



Amen, brother.

Brother? Reported for cultural appropriation. You're Backlash, not Blacklash, you cultural appropriating racist. Reported even more.

http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/michaelsteelegn_0.jpg?itok=PRwT2mHY

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Mona Charon after being booed at CPAC.


There is nothing more freeing than telling the truth. And it must be done, again and again, by those of us who refuse to be absorbed into this brainless, sinister, clownish thing called Trumpism, by those of us who refuse to overlook the fools, frauds and fascists attempting to glide along in his slipstream into respectability.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/25/opinion/im-glad-i-got-booed-at-cpac.html

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“I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen to own guns for sporting, for hunting, and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for the defense of the home.”

Ronald Reagan

[RichardCranium]

Ronald Reagan[/FONT][/COLOR]

How many homeowners own AK-47's?

[Latrinsorm]

How many homeowners own AK-47's?WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.

[~Rocktar~]

They come with a side rail these days.

[cwolff]

WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.

I'm beginning to think Latrinsorm is obviouslynotatroll and keeps confusing the two logins. Hmmm..food for thought

[Ceyrin]

How many homeowners own AK-47's?

Shhh, that's illegal.

[Methais]

WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.


https://youtu.be/7jR7_WiHI1g

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Retired United States Army lieutenant (https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralph-peters?utm_term=.xl30z3KB3z#.fm3BnEVKEn)colonel and Fox News contributor Ralph Peters (https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralph-peters?utm_term=.xl30z3KB3z#.fm3BnEVKEn).


On March 1st, I informed Fox that I would not renew my contract. The purpose of this message to all of you is twofold:First, I must thank each of you for the cooperation and support you've shown me over the years. Those working off-camera, the bookers and producers, don't often get the recognition you deserve, but I want you to know that I have always appreciated the challenges you face and the skill with which you master them.

Second, I feel compelled to explain why I have to leave. Four decades ago, I took an oath as a newly commissioned officer. I swore to "support and defend the Constitution," and that oath did not expire when I took off my uniform. Today, I feel that Fox News is assaulting our constitutional order and the rule of law, while fostering corrosive and unjustified paranoia among viewers. Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association. Now I am ashamed.

In my view, Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration. When prime-time hosts--who have never served our country in any capacity--dismiss facts and empirical reality to launch profoundly dishonest assaults on the FBI, the Justice Department, the courts, the intelligence community (in which I served) and, not least, a model public servant and genuine war hero such as Robert Mueller--all the while scaremongering with lurid warnings of "deep-state" machinations-- I cannot be part of the same organization, even at a remove. To me, Fox News is now wittingly harming our system of government for profit.

As a Russia analyst for many years, it also has appalled me that hosts who made their reputations as super-patriots and who, justifiably, savaged President Obama for his duplicitous folly with Putin, now advance Putin's agenda by making light of Russian penetration of our elections and the Trump campaign. Despite increasingly pathetic denials, it turns out that the "nothing-burger" has been covered with Russian dressing all along. And by the way: As an intelligence professional, I can tell you that the Steele dossier rings true--that's how the Russians do things.. The result is that we have an American president who is terrified of his counterpart in Moscow.

I do not apply the above criticisms in full to Fox Business, where numerous hosts retain a respect for facts and maintain a measure of integrity (nor is every host at Fox News a propaganda mouthpiece--some have shown courage). I have enjoyed and valued my relationship with Fox Business, and I will miss a number of hosts and staff members. You're the grown-ups.

Also, I deeply respect the hard-news reporters at Fox, who continue to do their best as talented professionals in a poisoned environment. These are some of the best men and women in the business..

So, to all of you: Thanks, and, as our president's favorite world leader would say, "Das vidanya."

[Wrathbringer]

Retired United States Army lieutenant (https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralph-peters?utm_term=.xl30z3KB3z#.fm3BnEVKEn)colonel and Fox News contributor Ralph Peters (https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralph-peters?utm_term=.xl30z3KB3z#.fm3BnEVKEn).

tl;dr and also

https://i.imgur.com/EUnFNgQ.gif

[Methais]

tl;dr and also

https://i.imgur.com/EUnFNgQ.gif

This is correct.

[Androidpk]

Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.) said late Tuesday he thinks it's important for President Trump to set a good example, adding that he's not sure how a lot of evangelicals are able to "reconcile" their support for him.


"I don't know how many in the evangelical community can reconcile some of their positions at this moment," Dent, who is not seeking reelection, told CNN when asked during an interview about the ongoing controversy regarding Stormy Daniels, who claimed she had an affair with Trump more than a decade ago.


"They seem to be more concerned about someone who embraces their policies on a public level as opposed to maybe living by a personal code that they would find objectionable."
He later brought up his party's reaction to the controversy surrounding former President Clinton in the 1990s.


“A lot of folks were pretty darn alarmed and outraged and had a strong voice about it, saying ‘character counts,’” Dent said.


“Now that the shoe’s on the other foot, a lot of those same folks are pretty damn silent.”

#truth

[cwolff]

Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.) said late Tuesday he thinks it's important for President Trump to set a good example, adding that he's not sure how a lot of evangelicals are able to "reconcile" their support for him.


"I don't know how many in the evangelical community can reconcile some of their positions at this moment," Dent, who is not seeking reelection, told CNN when asked during an interview about the ongoing controversy regarding Stormy Daniels, who claimed she had an affair with Trump more than a decade ago.


"They seem to be more concerned about someone who embraces their policies on a public level as opposed to maybe living by a personal code that they would find objectionable."
He later brought up his party's reaction to the controversy surrounding former President Clinton in the 1990s.


“A lot of folks were pretty darn alarmed and outraged and had a strong voice about it, saying ‘character counts,’” Dent said.


“Now that the shoe’s on the other foot, a lot of those same folks are pretty damn silent.”

#truth

Boehner must be at home daydrinking, watching this shit show unfold and laughing his ass off.

[cwolff]

Ralph Peters wrote a piece in the Washington Post about his departure. I'd love to say that it will help, but it won't.


You could measure the decline of Fox News by the drop in the quality of guests waiting in the green room. A year and a half ago, you might have heard George Will discussing policy with a senator while a former Cabinet member listened in. Today, you would meet a Republican commissar with a steakhouse waistline and an eager young woman wearing too little fabric and too much makeup, immersed in memorizing her talking points.

This wasn’t a case of the rats leaving a sinking ship. The best sailors were driven overboard by the rodents.


I was the one person on the Fox payroll who, trained in Russian studies and the Russian language, had been face to face with Russian intelligence officers in the Kremlin and in far-flung provinces. I have traveled widely in and written extensively about the region. Yet I could only rarely and briefly comment on the paramount security question of our time: whether Putin and his security services ensnared the man who would become our president. Trump’s behavior patterns and evident weaknesses (financial entanglements, lack of self-control and sense of sexual entitlement) would have made him an ideal blackmail target — and the Russian security apparatus plays a long game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/why-i-left-fox-news/2018/03/30/d1224648-32bb-11e8-8bdd-cdb33a5eef83_story.html

Case in point:

https://twitter.com/The_UnSilent_/status/979541900704264192

Tucker: Who do we have on tonight?

Fox Exec: Fabio

Tucker: Finally an expert who knows what they’re taking about!

Fox Exec:

8939

[RichardCranium]

If you're going to write a hit piece on the company you're leaving, fat and/or slut shaming their guests probably isn't the best look.

[cwolff]

If you're going to write a hit piece on the company you're leaving, fat and/or slut shaming their guests probably isn't the best look.

That's your take away? hmm....I think I know your source for news.

[Latrinsorm]

If you're going to write a hit piece on the company you're leaving, fat and/or slut shaming their guests probably isn't the best look.Only if you think his aim is to appeal to the other side.

[RichardCranium]

That's your take away? hmm....I think I know your source for news.

You'd think wrong. The only thing on any news channel worth watching was Crossfire on CNN, and even that was hit and miss.

[RichardCranium]

Only if you think his aim is to appeal to the other side.

True. I wasn't thinking about appealing to a side, although I suppose in this case it fits.

[cwolff]

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) slammed President Trump's announcement Thursday that he was considering imposing $100 billion in tariffs on China amid the ongoing trade dispute between Washington and Beijing, calling it nuts and dumb.

"Hopefully the President is just blowing off steam again but, if he's even half-serious, this is nuts. China is guilty of many things, but the President has no actual plan to win right now," Sasse said in a statement.
"He's threatening to light American agriculture on fire. Let's absolutely take on Chinese bad behavior, but with a plan that punishes them instead of us. This is the dumbest possible way to do this," he continued.

That's two times this week that Politicians are flat out calling trump stupid. First it was Gallegos who's not a conservative, but Sasse definitely is.

[Parkbandit]

That's two times this week that Politicians are flat out calling trump stupid. First it was Gallegos who's not a conservative, but Sasse definitely is.

Weird... a Senator from a state where the biggest export is beef.. is against a tarriff on beef...

It's like you want to be smart.. but could never get past the 4th grade.

[Methais]

Weird... a Senator from a state where the biggest export is beef.. is against a tarriff on beef...

It's like you want to be smart.. but could never get past the 4th grade.

He's trying really really hard though and that's what really matters!

[cwolff]

"We've convinced ourselves that we have to win, because the country will go to Hades in a handbasket if my team doesn't win," Gowdy said, later adding that the current state of the Republican Party is rooted simply in a desire to win.

Poor guy. He feels he's wated 7 years in Congress

[Methais]

So you agree that things will turn to shit with democrats running things.

Baby steps.

[cwolff]

Former FBI Director James Comey was a registered Republican for most of his life, but now he believes "the Republican Party has left me and many others."
"I just think they've lost their way and I can't be associated with it," Comey said in an interview on the ABC News podcast “Start Here,” adding that he no longer considers himself a Republican.
He said he believes the Republican Party began to change during the 2016 presidential campaign and has continued to change with President Donald Trump in office. It wasn't until he was fired by Trump that Comey started to focus more on politics and realized, "These people don't represent anything I believe in.”

More and more conservatives are beginning to realize that they have nothing in common with the GOP anymore. They need to snap out of this trumpism and the sooner the better for all of us

This guys sums up in a tweet what so much of the country is thinking:

Renato Mariotti
‏
It never ceases to amaze me how Trump has successfully convinced Republicans that the FBI and DOJ are criminals. What has the Republican Party become?

[Methais]

More and more conservatives are beginning to realize that they have nothing in common with the GOP anymore. They need to snap out of this trumpism and the sooner the better for all of us

People have felt that way about both parties for a while now, which is why we have Trump. Plenty of people are leaving the DNC too, some due to Obama's bullshit, others due to all the crybaby shit from tards like you since the election, etc Don't delude yourself, even though that's all you ever do.

Comey is just being a butthurt drama queen and is banking on retards like you to eat his shit.

[cwolff]

BREAKING: Sen. Chuck Grassley, the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, announced that his committee will move forward with a vote on a bipartisan bill to protect special counsel Robert Mueller from being fired by Trump, despite Mitch McConnell's opposition.

History will not be good to McConnell and Ryan

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/383753-senate-panel-moving-ahead-with-mueller-bill-despite-mcconnell-opposition

[Androidpk]

History will not be good to McConnell and Ryan

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/383753-senate-panel-moving-ahead-with-mueller-bill-despite-mcconnell-opposition

Good on Grassley. McConnell and Ryan have proven time and time again to be spineless cowards.

[cwolff]

On this day 45 years ago, Richard Nixon spoke to the nation about Watergate:
"It is essential now that we place our faith in that system—and especially in the judicial system. It is essential that we let the judicial process go forward..."
Nixon resigned 15 months later.

Bill Kristol via Twitter

[cwolff]

He served as the White House chief ethics lawyer under George W. Bush. Now he doesn't see a place for himself in the Republican Party.
"We've had, for decades, a departure from the fundamental values of the Republican Party and of America."

Richard Painter leaving GOP


"I'm still a Republican. I didn't leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me," Kasich said on CNN's "State of the Union." "In my state we have balanced budgets, surplus, we're up half a million jobs and then people say, 'Well Kasich's not a conservative.' What does that mean?"
"Come home to where we basically live," the 2016 presidential candidate added. "We should care about people from top to bottom, not just those at the top, but everybody. I can bring that party back. That's what I'm going to do in one way or another."

The normals are abandoning ship. GOP's about to go full retard.

[cwolff]

McCain takes particular aim at Trump, a real estate developer and former reality-television star, writing that he “has declined to distinguish the actions of our government from the crimes of despotic ones.”
“The appearance of toughness, or a reality show facsimile of toughness, seems to matter more than any of our values,” McCain says.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mccain-trump-more-interested-in-appearing-tough-than-in-the-nations-values/2018/04/30/9eca03c2-4c9a-11e8-84a0-458a1aa9ac0a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b06b52f8c7b8

[Wrathbringer]

Richard Painter leaving GOP



The normals are abandoning ship. GOP's about to go full retard.

You mean like you have been for the last year and a half?

[time4fun]

Richard Painter leaving GOP



The normals are abandoning ship. GOP's about to go full retard.

Personally, I prefer to avoid using words/phrases that the conservative trolls use...like "retard". We've got facts- we can lead with those ;)

Re: GOP. You're totally right, and this has been happening for some time now. It's part of what's causing so much trouble in our politics right now. The people left voting in GOP primaries are the most extreme. (it's happening on the left as well but to a lesser extent...for now) And the people who "leave" the party still largely end up voting for its candidates- they just opt out of choosing those candidates. So a moderate like Kaisich doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being nominated, but a completely unqualified sociopath trucking in racist conspiracy theories can sail right through.

The dirty little secret about Independents in this country is that most of them either don't vote at all (i.e. they're independent because they're fundamentally apolitical and apathetic/disaffected), or they still vote straight ticket Dem or GOP. There's a term in electoral politics for undecided voters: nonvoters.

Meanwhile you've got the candidates on the left moving further left, and then these "Former" Republicans are stuck between a crazy candidate with some positions they approve of and a not-crazy candidate for another party that they very intentionally don't identify with.

My kingdom for someone who has some reasonable solution to this problem. In a Parliamentary system, we'd have some built-in protection. But in our two party winner-takes-all system, the options are just really, really limited.

[Wrathbringer]

My god just stop posting. You've got facts :lol:

[RichardCranium]

My kingdom for someone who has some reasonable solution to this problem. In a Parliamentary system, we'd have some built-in protection. But in our two party winner-takes-all system, the options are just really, really limited.


I don't have a complete solution but personally I would start with term limits.


Edited to add quotes.

[time4fun]

I don't have a complete solution but personally I would start with term limits.

Remember 2010- where a TON of 1st year GOP Congresspeople suddenly came into the House and Senate?

Remember how insane our politics got after that? Suddenly legislative filibusters were up on every bill, we couldn't fund our government anymore and got our credit downgraded for the first time ever, and we had people shutting the government down for nothing more than political grandstanding. We had a bunch of people who were ready to burn the entire place to the ground suddenly stream in at once.

I'd actually argue that having people who have a long-term investment in Congress as an institution and who respect its traditions are really important to making sure this government can function properly. That's not to say that fresh blood is a bad thing- it's most certainly not- but too much of it actually isn't good for Congress.

With the political climate being what it is- pushing us towards more and more extreme candidates- kicking out a bunch of incumbents is likely to exacerbate the issue. Not solve it.

[RichardCranium]

Call me an idealist but I like the idea of candidates who aren't career politicians and know that they have a finite amount of time to do what is best for their constituents.

[time4fun]

But, at that point, where's their incentive to make sure Congress as an institution remains healthy? How do they form relationships across the aisle that allow us to pass major legislation in a bipartisan way?

You wouldn't hire a plumber who had no experience to come fix your pipes, would you?

Then why hire someone with no experience to come fix your government? Especially if that person is going to jump ship before they ever learn how to govern well.

Also, while I'm disagreeing with you- I don't think you're an idealist. I think you're a really rational person offering practical solutions.

[RichardCranium]

But, at that point, where's their incentive to make sure Congress as an institution remains healthy? How do they form relationships across the aisle that allow us to pass major legislation in a bipartisan way?

You wouldn't hire a plumber who had no experience to come fix your pipes, would you?

Then why hire someone with no experience to come fix your government? Especially if that person is going to jump ship before they ever learn how to govern well.

Most come from the state level of government. It's not like they're completely clueless. I'd just like more politicians who view it as a duty to serve, not a career.

[cwolff]

I have gone back and forth on term limits. Ultimately I figure its a blunt instrument type solution that will come with its own set of unintended consequences.

Gridlock is a benefit of our two party system. I feel safer with that than any party able to move swiftly.

[time4fun]

Most come from the state level of government. It's not like they're completely clueless. I'd just like more politicians who view it as a duty to serve, not a career.

So I made some assumptions about your argument that I shouldn't have. You're arguing for Federal term limits, not state term limits, right? I'm still not on-board, but that would be a thoughtful middle ground approach.

But honestly- is it really so bad to want a career in public service? This is the part where I'm being an idealist, but I want a Barack Obama to be able to have a career in public service. (Not as President the whole time, obviously) I want people who get their start in organizing around community issues to be able to spend their lives serving in elected government- so long as they represent the will of the people and demonstrate respect for our democratic institutions. Heck I despise John McCain as a legislator, but I think having him as a career Senator has been really good for that institution.

My last company would intentionally ensure that teams were made up of seasoned professionals and young upstarts. And they would clash a lot of the time, but at the end of the day they would come up with innovative ways to deal with old problems that were more resistant to foreseeable mistakes.

I suppose I want Congress to work that way as well.

Ultimately- I think I'm just more worried about money and increasingly ideologically homogeneous primary voters than I am about term limits.

[Parkbandit]

Most come from the state level of government. It's not like they're completely clueless. I'd just like more politicians who view it as a duty to serve, not a career.

Most come from the state level of government.. where there are term limits.

I'm 100% for term limits in Congress.

[Methais]

So I made some assumptions about your argument that I shouldn't have. You're arguing for Federal term limits, not state term limits, right? I'm still not on-board, but that would be a thoughtful middle ground approach.

But honestly- is it really so bad to want a career in public service? This is the part where I'm being an idealist, but I want a Barack Obama to be able to have a career in public service. (Not as President the whole time, obviously) I want people who get their start in organizing around community issues to be able to spend their lives serving in elected government- so long as they represent the will of the people and demonstrate respect for our democratic institutions. Heck I despise John McCain as a legislator, but I think having him as a career Senator has been really good for that institution.

My last company would intentionally ensure that teams were made up of seasoned professionals and young upstarts. And they would clash a lot of the time, but at the end of the day they would come up with innovative ways to deal with old problems that were more resistant to foreseeable mistakes.

I suppose I want Congress to work that way as well.

Ultimately- I think I'm just more worried about money and increasingly ideologically homogeneous primary voters than I am about term limits.

Are you gonna hang out with/bang Neveragain or not?

[RichardCranium]

So I made some assumptions about your argument that I shouldn't have. You're arguing for Federal term limits, not state term limits, right? I'm still not on-board, but that would be a thoughtful middle ground approach.

Correct, I'd like them at the Federal level.


But honestly- is it really so bad to want a career in public service? This is the part where I'm being an idealist, but I want a Barack Obama to be able to have a career in public service. (Not as President the whole time, obviously) I want people who get their start in organizing around community issues to be able to spend their lives serving in elected government- so long as they represent the will of the people and demonstrate respect for our democratic institutions. Heck I despise John McCain as a legislator, but I think having him as a career Senator has been really good for that institution.

I would be fine with this until you start introducing lobbyists, etc. into the equation. Or if state's rights were given more weight. Anything that would give the people a happy(as it can be) medium.

[Parkbandit]

I think Barack Obama is a self-hating white man.

We certainly are going to miss you around here.

Glad I got that on the record before this account gets rekt.

[Neveragain]

Are you gonna hang out with/bang Neveragain or not?

Time4fun you should pay no attention to this at all. I'm just offering an opportunity for you to share in what promises to be an awesome experience and a chance for me to share my experience with another human being. You really should ask yourself "Isn't this what life is really all about?" I mean it's one thing to talk about it, it's a whole different thing to live it. Letting what really is an irrational fear get in the way of enjoying life isn't how we should be living our lives.

[Wrathbringer]

Time4fun you should pay no attention to this at all. I'm just offering an opportunity for you to share in what promises to be an awesome experience of me banging you and a chance for me to bang you and share my experience with another human being. You really should ask yourself "Isn't me banging you what life is really all about?" I mean it's one thing to talk about it, it's a whole different thing to live it. Letting what really is an irrational fear get in the way of me banging you and enjoying life isn't how we should be living our lives.

fixed

[Parkbandit]

Time4fun you should pay no attention to this at all. I'm just offering an opportunity for you to share in what promises to be an awesome experience and a chance for me to share my experience with another human being. You really should ask yourself "Isn't this what life is really all about?" I mean it's one thing to talk about it, it's a whole different thing to live it. Letting what really is an irrational fear get in the way of enjoying life isn't how we should be living our lives.

You really need to turn down the creepy.

[Neveragain]

fixed

Nonsense, I have no ulterior motives. My only motives are good times, good conversation, good food with good company in a spectacular setting.

[Neveragain]

You really need to turn down the creepy.

You will have to forgive me if I pass on taking your advice on what creepy is. I mean you're welcome to join us, but fat old men tend to slow down the adventure.

[Methais]

Nonsense, I have no ulterior motives. My only motives are good times, good conversation, good food with good company in a spectacular setting.

I was joking. I wouldn't expect anybody to want to bang time4fun. Her bf doesn't even bang her. She bangs him.


You’re talking to “conservatives”; everything about women with them is degenerate sex. “Conservatives” in this country are demonic.

Except for this loser.

[~Rocktar~]

You’re talking to “conservatives”; everything about women with them is degenerate sex. “Conservatives” in this country are demonic.

Conservatives generally aren't the ones embracing Fascist Marxist policies and calling it "Democratic Socialism". You know, the policies that ended up being directly responsible for the murder of over 100 million people in the previous century along with the starvation and war deaths of millions more. If you are looking for "demons" you should look in the mirror if you support such policies even in the slightest.

[time4fun]

Conservatives generally aren't the ones embracing Fascist Marxist policies and calling it "Democratic Socialism". You know, the policies that ended up being directly responsible for the murder of over 100 million people in the previous century along with the starvation and war deaths of millions more. If you are looking for "demons" you should look in the mirror if you support such policies even in the slightest.

Um.. socialism isn't fascsism. Very few on the left are advocating for actual socialism (we talked about this- Social Democracy isn't socialism), and you are embracing a President with unabashed fascist tendencies.

European leaders are literally warning the US not to ignore the rise in fascism that he represents. Fascism is defined in large part by nationalist authoritarianism. They stamp down any opposition- free press, independent judiciary, rule of law, etc.

Trump is a capitalist fascist, and the conservative media has you searching for imaginary socialists to distract you from that fact.

[Parkbandit]

You will have to forgive me if I pass on taking your advice on what creepy is. I mean you're welcome to join us, but fat old men tend to slow down the adventure.

Notice how she's politely ignoring you?

Take a hint.

[Neveragain]

Notice how she's politely ignoring you?

Take a hint.

Probably because she knows I'm completely full of shit. Seriously dude, do you think I want to have my fishing trip ruined, it would be a nightmare?

[Jeril]

Personally, I prefer to avoid using words/phrases that the conservative trolls use...like "retard". We've got facts- we can lead with those ;)

Re: GOP. You're totally right, and this has been happening for some time now. It's part of what's causing so much trouble in our politics right now. The people left voting in GOP primaries are the most extreme. (it's happening on the left as well but to a lesser extent...for now) And the people who "leave" the party still largely end up voting for its candidates- they just opt out of choosing those candidates. So a moderate like Kaisich doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being nominated, but a completely unqualified sociopath trucking in racist conspiracy theories can sail right through.

The dirty little secret about Independents in this country is that most of them either don't vote at all (i.e. they're independent because they're fundamentally apolitical and apathetic/disaffected), or they still vote straight ticket Dem or GOP. There's a term in electoral politics for undecided voters: nonvoters.

Meanwhile you've got the candidates on the left moving further left, and then these "Former" Republicans are stuck between a crazy candidate with some positions they approve of and a not-crazy candidate for another party that they very intentionally don't identify with.

My kingdom for someone who has some reasonable solution to this problem. In a Parliamentary system, we'd have some built-in protection. But in our two party winner-takes-all system, the options are just really, really limited.

Just make me your lord and master, problem solved!

[Fortybox]

Just make me your lord and master, problem solved!

Reported for stalking.

[Fortybox]

Um.. socialism isn't fascsism. Very few on the left are advocating for actual socialism (we talked about this- Social Democracy isn't socialism), and you are embracing a President with unabashed fascist tendencies.

European leaders are literally warning the US not to ignore the rise in fascism that he represents. Fascism is defined in large part by nationalist authoritarianism. They stamp down any opposition- free press, independent judiciary, rule of law, etc.

Trump is a capitalist fascist, and the conservative media has you searching for imaginary socialists to distract you from that fact.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/4XSc0NkhKJQhW/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Um.. socialism isn't fascsism. Very few on the left are advocating for actual socialism (we talked about this- Social Democracy isn't socialism), and you are embracing a President with unabashed fascist tendencies.

No, Socialism isn't Fascism, Socialism necessarily leads to Fascism once people get tired of being robbed at gunpoint and try to stand up against the government. Or the government collapses because at that point it is likely too far down the rabbit hole to come back. Social Democracy is a nice term for Democratic Socialism which is still Socialism. You have clearly and inarticulately demonstrated on this board, over and over that you are an authoritarian loving, Socialist who favors Fascist tactics. You continue to demonstrate arrogance, elitism and bigotry in your condescension of others and dismissal of facts, debate points and differing points of view and when called on it, you insult, demean and harass others. You are morally, ethical and spiritually bankrupt and you adhere to the foundational beliefs of evil. Specifically, you believe that the system and the central authority should rule over all parts of peoples lives thus slavery is ok, you believe that one group of people is incapable of being productive members of society without help based solely on race and so it's ok to be racist because you "care", you believe in equality of outcome among humanity instead of equality of opportunity which is pure Socialism which is great because then no one has to feel left out because everyone can be equally enslaved in the gulag or dead. While you may not verbalize such things, or in this context, type them, your arguments, statements and espoused beliefs clearly demonstrate your core.

You are one of the most pernicious purveyors of said evil I have seen in a long time and while I hope that your dream utopia never materializes for the masses, I hope you, yourself can experience it first hand.


European leaders are literally warning the US not to ignore the rise in fascism that he represents. Fascism is defined in large part by nationalist authoritarianism. They stamp down any opposition- free press, independent judiciary, rule of law, etc.

So what judges has Trump imprisoned, what reporters, what opposition has he had jailed? Oh, or who has he called out to be marked for execution or death, who has he expressed disdain for by publicly wishing them dead? Where are his loyal supporters rioting, burning shops and murdering police or dissenters?

Wait, that is what Leftists have done for years and are doing currently.

This is my "I don't give a fuck what Europe says" card:

http://totallyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/We-the-People-of-the-United-States-small.jpg


Trump is a capitalist fascist, and the conservative media has you searching for imaginary socialists to distract you from that fact.

Or, you could simply be real Socialist Fascists and trying to distract by taking a page from Rule for Radicals and accusing the other side for what you yourself are doing.

[time4fun]

No, Socialism isn't Fascism, Socialism necessarily leads to Fascism once people get tired of being robbed at gunpoint and try to stand up against the government. Or the government collapses because at that point it is likely too far down the rabbit hole to come back. Social Democracy is a nice term for Democratic Socialism which is still Socialism. You have clearly and inarticulately demonstrated on this board, over and over that you are an authoritarian loving, Socialist who favors Fascist tactics. You continue to demonstrate arrogance, elitism and bigotry in your condescension of others and dismissal of facts, debate points and differing points of view and when called on it, you insult, demean and harass others. You are morally, ethical and spiritually bankrupt and you adhere to the foundational beliefs of evil. Specifically, you believe that the system and the central authority should rule over all parts of peoples lives thus slavery is ok, you believe that one group of people is incapable of being productive members of society without help based solely on race and so it's ok to be racist because you "care", you believe in equality of outcome among humanity instead of equality of opportunity which is pure Socialism which is great because then no one has to feel left out because everyone can be equally enslaved in the gulag or dead. While you may not verbalize such things, or in this context, type them, your arguments, statements and espoused beliefs clearly demonstrate your core.

You are one of the most pernicious purveyors of said evil I have seen in a long time and while I hope that your dream utopia never materializes for the masses, I hope you, yourself can experience it first hand.



So what judges has Trump imprisoned, what reporters, what opposition has he had jailed? Oh, or who has he called out to be marked for execution or death, who has he expressed disdain for by publicly wishing them dead? Where are his loyal supporters rioting, burning shops and murdering police or dissenters?

Wait, that is what Leftists have done for years and are doing currently.

This is my "I don't give a fuck what Europe says" card:

http://totallyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/We-the-People-of-the-United-States-small.jpg



Or, you could simply be real Socialist Fascists and trying to distract by taking a page from Rule for Radicals and accusing the other side for what you yourself are doing.

While it's clear that you know a lot of political vocabulary words, you have yet to use a single one of them correctly.

[Fortybox]

While it's clear that you know a lot of political vocabulary words, you have yet to use a single one of them correctly.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/XQq8UMo254P16/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

I got called out and have no rebuttal for the truth.

ftfy

[time4fun]

ftfy

Yes, your "Eventually Socialism gives way to fascism because people are tired of being robbed by the government" statement was entirely factual and objective. Literally every Socialist government ever has become fascist. Except, you know, the ones that haven't.

And you claiming Social Democracy is Socialism is as idiotic as it is ridiculous- given that we've already covered this topic. It indicates that you have absolutely no idea what Socialism is, nor what Social Democracy is.

And there's nothing factual about saying that I support fascism. You saying, "I know you are, but what am I?" in response to me pointing out that you have no problems with an authoritarian President with actual fascist tendencies is not an argument worth taking seriously. Particularly since it clearly indicates that you don't actually understand what fascism is either.

And my dear, in the last week alone you have:

1) Cited a fake news site to argue that CNN is fake news
2) Have embarrassingly misunderstood a psychology study's conclusions, its erratum, and the context for the study itself.
3) Cited a Brookings article with apparently zero awareness that it completely contradicted your point
4) Argued that Prader U and an actor/comedian turned conservative talking head are more reputable sources than the IMF, World Bank, and researchers from actual Universities

And that's coming off of another week where you were repeatedly fact checked on your inaccurate retelling of the Clinton email investigation.


You are not only deeply ignorant of these issues, you are also so fundamentally lacking in critical thinking- and apparently reading comprehension- skills that you don't even realize it.

And the only chance you have of successfully "calling me out" on a political or economic issue is if you manage to acquire a time machine to take you back to when I was in middle school. Because that was the last time I was as clueless about these subjects as you are.

Mahalo.

[~Rocktar~]

Right. You disagree and then verbally vomit in an attempt to appear more intelligent and superior than you are. Keep it up.

[Androidpk]

Right. You disagree and then verbally vomit in an attempt to appear more intelligent and superior than you are. Keep it up.

She's certainly more intelligent than you. Then again even Wrathbringer and Necro are smarter than you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[cwolff]

Rick Santorum: Trump "says things that don't comport with the facts. You want to call it a lie, call it a lie. I don't like calling people liars but the reality is this President has a problem"

Chris Coumo put it to Santorum and didn't let him off the hook. I do believe that Michelle Wolf's comedy roast is having a positive effect on journalists.

[Fortybox]

Yes, your "Eventually Socialism gives way to fascism because people are tired of being robbed by the government" statement was entirely factual and objective. Literally every Socialist government ever has become fascist. Except, you know, the ones that haven't.

And you claiming Social Democracy is Socialism is as idiotic as it is ridiculous- given that we've already covered this topic. It indicates that you have absolutely no idea what Socialism is, nor what Social Democracy is.

And there's nothing factual about saying that I support fascism. You saying, "I know you are, but what am I?" in response to me pointing out that you have no problems with an authoritarian President with actual fascist tendencies is not an argument worth taking seriously. Particularly since it clearly indicates that you don't actually understand what fascism is either.

And my dear, in the last week alone you have:

1) Cited a fake news site to argue that CNN is fake news
2) Have embarrassingly misunderstood a psychology study's conclusions, its erratum, and the context for the study itself.
3) Cited a Brookings article with apparently zero awareness that it completely contradicted your point
4) Argued that Prader U and an actor/comedian turned conservative talking head are more reputable sources than the IMF, World Bank, and researchers from actual Universities

And that's coming off of another week where you were repeatedly fact checked on your inaccurate retelling of the Clinton email investigation.


You are not only deeply ignorant of these issues, you are also so fundamentally lacking in critical thinking- and apparently reading comprehension- skills that you don't even realize it.

And the only chance you have of successfully "calling me out" on a political or economic issue is if you manage to acquire a time machine to take you back to when I was in middle school. Because that was the last time I was as clueless about these subjects as you are.

Mahalo.

322 words to say someone is wrong = emotional

Reported.

[cwolff]

322 words to say someone is wrong = emotional

Reported.

You're wrong.

[Wrathbringer]

You're wrong.

You're retarded.

[Wrathbringer]

322 words to say someone is wrong = massively butthurt

Reported.

fixed

[Fortybox]

You're wrong.

No! You’re wrong!! Good day sir!

[Methais]

No, Socialism isn't Fascism, Socialism necessarily leads to Fascism once people get tired of being robbed at gunpoint and try to stand up against the government. Or the government collapses because at that point it is likely too far down the rabbit hole to come back. Social Democracy is a nice term for Democratic Socialism which is still Socialism. You have clearly and inarticulately demonstrated on this board, over and over that you are an authoritarian loving, Socialist who favors Fascist tactics. You continue to demonstrate arrogance, elitism and bigotry in your condescension of others and dismissal of facts, debate points and differing points of view and when called on it, you insult, demean and harass others. You are morally, ethical and spiritually bankrupt and you adhere to the foundational beliefs of evil. Specifically, you believe that the system and the central authority should rule over all parts of peoples lives thus slavery is ok, you believe that one group of people is incapable of being productive members of society without help based solely on race and so it's ok to be racist because you "care", you believe in equality of outcome among humanity instead of equality of opportunity which is pure Socialism which is great because then no one has to feel left out because everyone can be equally enslaved in the gulag or dead. While you may not verbalize such things, or in this context, type them, your arguments, statements and espoused beliefs clearly demonstrate your core.

You are one of the most pernicious purveyors of said evil I have seen in a long time and while I hope that your dream utopia never materializes for the masses, I hope you, yourself can experience it first hand.



So what judges has Trump imprisoned, what reporters, what opposition has he had jailed? Oh, or who has he called out to be marked for execution or death, who has he expressed disdain for by publicly wishing them dead? Where are his loyal supporters rioting, burning shops and murdering police or dissenters?

Wait, that is what Leftists have done for years and are doing currently.

This is my "I don't give a fuck what Europe says" card:

http://totallyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/We-the-People-of-the-United-States-small.jpg



Or, you could simply be real Socialist Fascists and trying to distract by taking a page from Rule for Radicals and accusing the other side for what you yourself are doing.

https://media.giphy.com/media/26tknCqiJrBQG6bxC/giphy.gif


While it's clear that you know a lot of political vocabulary words, you have yet to use a single one of them correctly.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

[Methais]

Yes, your "Eventually Socialism gives way to fascism because people are tired of being robbed by the government" statement was entirely factual and objective. Literally every Socialist government ever has become fascist. Except, you know, the ones that haven't.

And you claiming Social Democracy is Socialism is as idiotic as it is ridiculous- given that we've already covered this topic. It indicates that you have absolutely no idea what Socialism is, nor what Social Democracy is.

And there's nothing factual about saying that I support fascism. You saying, "I know you are, but what am I?" in response to me pointing out that you have no problems with an authoritarian President with actual fascist tendencies is not an argument worth taking seriously. Particularly since it clearly indicates that you don't actually understand what fascism is either.

And my dear, in the last week alone you have:

1) Cited a fake news site to argue that CNN is fake news
2) Have embarrassingly misunderstood a psychology study's conclusions, its erratum, and the context for the study itself.
3) Cited a Brookings article with apparently zero awareness that it completely contradicted your point
4) Argued that Prader U and an actor/comedian turned conservative talking head are more reputable sources than the IMF, World Bank, and researchers from actual Universities

And that's coming off of another week where you were repeatedly fact checked on your inaccurate retelling of the Clinton email investigation.


You are not only deeply ignorant of these issues, you are also so fundamentally lacking in critical thinking- and apparently reading comprehension- skills that you don't even realize it.

And the only chance you have of successfully "calling me out" on a political or economic issue is if you manage to acquire a time machine to take you back to when I was in middle school. Because that was the last time I was as clueless about these subjects as you are.

Mahalo.

While it's clear that you know a lot of political vocabulary words, you have yet to use a single one of them correctly.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/t7exNKe.jpg