Complaints about SashaFierce as Moderator

[Tgo01]

It's reality. He's still listed as a moderator. He just changed his title to trick us.

It's possible there is some sort of delay on that page removing him from the list of site leaders.

But yes, it would be awesome if Kranar could drop a line letting us know for sure.

[Whirlin]

Can someone please TLDR this for me? I can't handle 50 pages of catching up. :(
tl;dr:

"WAAAHHHH" -everyone

[Taernath]

It's reality. He's still listed as a moderator. He just changed his title to trick us.

This has been a real rollercoaster of emotions.

[Stumplicker]

I just looked it up on vbulletin. Here according to their forums (https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-sales-and-feedback/vbulletin-pre-sales-questions/37116-what-is-the-difference-between-a-moderator-super-moderator-and-an-administrator) is the difference between the assigned titles:

moderator = moderates a specific forum(s) he is assigned to
super moderator = moderates all forums, whether he is assigned to them or not
administrator = moderates all forums and can do administrative tasks within the vbulletin admin control panel, as well as the one who assigns who the mods and super mods will be

Alastir is still capable of moderating any forum without his name listed on the Merchant Forum so long as he is in the "Super Moderator" group.

And giving anyone, especially someone like Alastir, full control over moderation of all aspects of the forums in a group, suggests to me that this is not something that Kranar did himself.

[Back]

tl;dr:

"WAAAHHHH" -everyone

rofl. And no one pays for any of this. Well, I assume except for Kranar.

[Haldrik]

[LNet]-You: "i leave for like 2 months and you guys let Alastir weasel his way into power" (18:15:45)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "#ThePowerOfWyrmTongue" (18:16:26)
[LNet]-You: "the funny part is just how dumb you are" (18:16:47)
[LNet]-You: "You were in. You made it." (18:16:54)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "The funny part is everything that has taken place." (18:17:00)
[LNet]-You: "You could have just chilled and been silent. Silently made notes and stolen all your information" (18:17:21)
[LNet]-You: "instead you just couldnt stop being a giant fucking snake and managed to get removed after a few days" (18:17:41)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "I don't need to be visible as a moderator to do what it needed." (18:17:50)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "he hasn't been removed" (18:17:52)
[LNet]-You: "Oh. He just removed visibility of it? roflmao" (18:18:05)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "he's still listed as a super moderator on the Site Leaders page" (18:18:19)
[LNet]-You: "Of course. That makes sense." (18:18:25)

[Haldrik]

You have nothing to worry about. I will no longer be a moderator.

This is typical Alastir weasel word-play. He's saying that he's going to retain his super mod powers, but he wont be a "moderator", he wont "moderate" threads. (Yeah right)

[macgyver]

... It greatly amuses me that I could tell who your character was just by your tone on LNET. You should probably stop though, do you really want to shine a light on who you are? You still retain some anonymity which can only mean good things for you as far as I'm concerned. I'm Kalros in both games currently. Most people know this.

lulz, if you know who I am you'll know I main a full tier 7 Necro with probably one of a handful of characters in the game with 1750 in a tert skill. I've shutdown the triage room in the Crossing Empath guild for 3+ hours alone, Sophrona present. I'll see you around...

https://media.giphy.com/media/1ShOi0oQfJmDK/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

[Luntz]

Until the mods can get their heads outta their asses, I'll be shutting down my flat priced sales thread I've had open for 3+ years and dealing exclusively over lich/lnet. Not worth putting any time into a forum that has no interest in objectivity.

[SashaFierce]

Until the mods can get their heads outta their asses, I'll be shutting down my flat priced sales thread I've had open for 3+ years and dealing exclusively over lich/lnet. Not worth putting any time into a forum that has no interest in objectivity.

People buying Simucoin items for cash/GoA is what started all of the scam problems. Someone was using a stolen CC to buy simucoins/items, and selling them for silvers/cash/GoA.

If all transactions were funneled through the PC in some way, the person making bad transactions/scams could be gotten rid of much faster/easier.

[Tgo01]

Looks like he is no longer listed under the site leaders page. Who knows anymore though, after watching this shit unfold I suppose anything is possible now.

[Zaigh]

People buying Simucoin items for cash/GoA is what started all of the scam problems. Someone was using a stolen CC to buy simucoins/items, and selling them for silvers/cash/GoA.

And in your head this required you to provide information to Wyrom? Unrequested information.

On the good hand, SF is no longer listed on the Site Leaders page, whether someone with that access can be hidden or not I don't know but at least it is no longer listed.

[Luntz]

I've been a major merchant/silver seller on these boards for over 3 years and I won't be doing anymore business here directly because of your lies and inability to explain anything to anyone's satisfaction. Go fuck yourself you dumb piece of shit.

[venkman]

I've been a major merchant/silver seller on these boards for over 3 years and I won't be doing anymore business here directly because of your lies and inability to explain anything to anyone's satisfaction. Go fuck yourself you dumb piece of shit.

He's done. Unless his moderator powers also include hiding his name from the leader list. Don't understand why Kranar just doesn't step in and say:

Sashafierce is no longer a mod, Ardwen/Whirlin/Tisket are now new mods for the merchant/profession/politics folders respectively.

-Kranar

[Haldrik]

[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "okay good. Sasha is no longer a moderator" (18:38:00)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "unless he somehow hid it on the Site Leaders page" (18:38:08)
[LNet]-You: "he probably can Mog" (18:38:18)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "I don't need to be a visible moderator to do what needs done." (18:38:19)
[LNet]-You: "See" (18:38:24)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "nothing needs done, you idiot" (18:38:25)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "You don't have to worry about any further moderation from me." (18:38:29)

[Mogonis]

You have nothing to worry about. I will no longer be a moderator.
You were worried about your reputation before all this. Now your credibility is zero. Congratulations.

[Haldrik]

He's done. Unless his moderator powers also include hiding his name from the leader list. Don't understand why Kranar just doesn't step in and say:

Sashafierce is no longer a mod, Ardwen/Whirlin/Tisket are now new mods for the merchant/profession/politics folders respectively.

-Kranar

Nope, untrue. He's just hiding his mod powers.

[Haldrik]

lulz, if you know who I am you'll know I main a full tier 7 Necro with probably one of a handful of characters in the game with 1750 in a tert skill. I've shutdown the triage room in the Crossing Empath guild for 3+ hours alone, Sophrona present. I'll see you around...

https://media.giphy.com/media/1ShOi0oQfJmDK/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

Is buying a character supposed to impress me? LOL.

Bitch.

[Luntz]

[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "okay good. Sasha is no longer a moderator" (18:38:00)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "unless he somehow hid it on the Site Leaders page" (18:38:08)
[LNet]-You: "he probably can Mog" (18:38:18)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "I don't need to be a visible moderator to do what needs done." (18:38:19)
[LNet]-You: "See" (18:38:24)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "nothing needs done, you idiot" (18:38:25)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "You don't have to worry about any further moderation from me." (18:38:29)

Sounds to me like he just hid the visibility and is still able to do the same shit as before but without prying eyes watching him. I won't be doing any business on the pc for the foreseeable future, not with this retarded idiot behind the scenes jackin off to his impotent power trip.

[Tisket]

He's done. Unless his moderator powers also include hiding his name from the leader list. Don't understand why Kranar just doesn't step in and say:

Sashafierce is no longer a mod, Ardwen/Whirlin/Tisket are now new mods for the merchant/profession/politics folders respectively.

-Kranar

Stop taking my name in vain! Moderating the assholes here would be like herding cats.

[Tgo01]

Stop taking my name in vain! Moderating the assholes here would be like herding cats.

Tisket thinks we're all fluffy and adorable and shit in a box.

[SashaFierce]

Stop taking my name in vain! Moderating the assholes here would be like herding cats.

New custom title for you? Cat herder?

[Mogonis]

You can't even refute our speculation about your deception. You're calm and making jokes. Sociopath?

[Tisket]

New custom title for you? Cat herder?

Oh hell no.

[Androidpk]

I'm still leaning towards the forum being hacked.

[Tisket]

Well I've got Kranar's real name and he's not hard to track down with it. I'm no stalker though!

[Methais]

Well I've got Kranar's real name and he's not hard to track down with it. I'm no stalker though!

https://68.media.tumblr.com/cd1da38e194459c94685c7e967fab996/tumblr_nr7zqaDQjg1roohd8o1_400.gif

[Haldrik]

[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "I deleted like 2 threads, from Kalros or Haldrik" (18:53:51)
[LNet]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "I knew he was dumb as shit, I didn't think he was that dumb" (18:53:57)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "and what were the titles of those threads?" (18:53:59)
[LNet]-GSIV:Dergoatean: "Oh, also lol lnet sasha drama" (18:54:03)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "I dunno, I restored them because you all cried about it" (18:54:11)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "you restored them hoping it'd return you to our good graces. look where we are now" (18:54:33)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "In hindsight I should have made another username moderator" (18:54:53)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "WHAT" (18:55:02)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "It wouldn't have been so much an issue of, oh no, SashaFierce is a moderator" (18:55:09)
[LNet]-GSIV:Ardwen: "no you really shouldn't have" (18:55:11)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "in hindsight you should never have been a moderator. we've been telling you that the whole time" (18:55:12)
[LNet]-You: "Being shadier is NOT THE ANSWER" (18:55:13)
[LNet]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "in hindsight you should get a life you bitch ass loser" (18:55:15)
[LNet]-GSIV:Flimbo: "Nobody trusts you. You're untrustworthy. There is no circumstance in which you should moderate anything." (18:55:18)
[LNet]-GSIV:Mogonis: "no. we like our forum. we just have to get rid of the problem" (18:55:37)
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "Your feedback has been noted. Thank you." (18:55:38)
[LNet]-GSIV:Noira: "In hindsight, you should not have removed posts. Especially ones that involved you in unflattering ways." (18:55:42)
[LNet]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "Kranar can thank Alastir for ruining the PC's rep, I personally won't be using it anymore" (18:55:44)

[TheLastRowmi]

The silver lining to all this is that it prompted me to learn a lot about vbulletin.

Thanks.

[Parkbandit]

Until the mods can get their heads outta their asses, I'll be shutting down my flat priced sales thread I've had open for 3+ years and dealing exclusively over lich/lnet. Not worth putting any time into a forum that has no interest in objectivity.

NOOOO!

How will this forum even survive without your flat priced sales threads!!?!?!???

[SashaFierce]

[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Hey Alastir, want me to send your name to a real hacker?" [10:16 PM]
[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Alastir, if i can get a hacker to cause your Stormfront to crash. Will you step down as super mod?" [10:17 PM]
[Private]-GSIV:Kalros: "test" [10:19 PM]


Someone is serious about this.

[Mogonis]

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder542/500x/62969542.jpg

[SashaFierce]

As I said before, I'm not a moderator. But hey, the guy who is threatening to send a hacker after me to crash my stormfront unless I resign is totally okay.

[Haldrik]

As I said before, I'm not a moderator. But hey, the guy who is threatening to send a hacker after me to crash my stormfront unless I resign is totally okay.

Woah. You never agreed to it. So I called him off. But your take away from my chat is absolutely misguided per usual.

[Haldrik]

As I said before, I'm not a moderator. But hey, the guy who is threatening to send a hacker after me to crash my stormfront unless I resign is totally okay.

You are not a moderator according to your self delusions. Yet you retain/keep/still have the following, including but not limited to, powers, actions, abilities, authority, access, clearance above/different from a standard user account of a typical poster such as myself, Mogonis, Ticket, or any other user in this thread.

In short, you still have access to information via an admin-like role.

[Mogonis]

As I said before, I'm not a moderator. But hey, the guy who is threatening to send a hacker after me to crash my stormfront unless I resign is totally okay.
As I and many others have said multiple times, we do not believe anything you say anymore.

[SashaFierce]

Woah. You never agreed to it. So I called him off. But your take away from my chat is absolutely misguided per usual.

What exactly was I supposed to take away from your chat aside from you're going to send a hacker after me unless I resign?

[SashaFierce]

As I and many others have said multiple times, we do not believe anything you say anymore.

Look at your lnet scrollback, it's hard not to believe what you can read for yourself with your own eyes.

[Haldrik]

What exactly was I supposed to take away from your chat aside from you're going to send a hacker after me unless I resign?

Try the actual words I said. Did you agree to anything? No, no you didn't.

[Mogonis]

Look at your lnet scrollback, it's hard to believe what you can read for yourself with your own eyes.
Huh?

[Haldrik]

Look at your lnet scrollback, it's hard to believe what you can read for yourself with your own eyes.
Do you actually believe yourself?

[venkman]

Honestly, at this point, we would need a direct message from Kranar that this situation has been settled. Just no other way to fully trust the site.

[Geijon Khyree]

I dont like Alastir. He got modded is a straight disaster. Nightly feedback.

[Geijon Khyree]

Keep deleting posts, Alastir.

[Geijon Khyree]

Haldrik vs Alastir was troll vs troll of 2016

[Stolis]

Honestly, at this point, we would need a direct message from Kranar that this situation has been settled. Just no other way to fully trust the site.

Does Vbulletin let you hide individual moderators? Seems odd that it would show the rest of them and he would stay magically hidden if he still were a moderator.

[Haldrik]

Does Vbulletin let you hide individual moderators? Seems odd that it would show the rest of them and he would stay magically hidden if he still were a moderator.

Yes. He already admitted he doesn't need to be visible for his role.

[Haldrik]

It's very simple and easy to remove your name off moderator lists. These are some small examples and I'm sure its even easier now.

https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-4/vbulletin-4-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/368669-can-i-remove-moderators-list-in-forum-descriptions

https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-legacy-versions-products/legacy-vbulletin-versions/vbulletin-2-how-do-i-and-troubleshooting/70418-how-can-i-remove-the-moderator-list-in-sub-forums

[Geijon Khyree]

Troll of the decade. Alastir becomes a PC mod and tries to delete all of his troll highlights.

[Geijon Khyree]

Ttt

[SashaFierce]

The day he became mod on here, he accused me(over lnet in pms) of being an old friend from GS 3 days who doesn't play anymore and would never come back, from what I know. Alastir/Sashafierce tried to connect some dots from 10-15 years ago for some insane "got ya" moment that has a perfectly reasonable explanation, if you aren't a crazy obsessive loser like he is. So the second he gets a bit of faux power on a message board, he's digging around trying to find dirt on his cyber-enemies. I wish I was making this shit up, it might actually be funny if it wasn't true.

Just to clarify this situation. I asked if you were Geosain. Your email address is nearly identical to the email address used by urmom in this thread here: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?27988-Geosain fralcon84 is the same in both, it's only the email provider that is different.

Where you state:


I was the guy known as Geosain and Fralcon back in gemstone 3, I sold both characters and all my stuff in 2002. I was also one of the original mods for this board, sorc and off topic folders. I've recently started playing again, just on a trial account or two, not sure if I'm gonna stick with it but I'm having fun at the moment. If you see Beelze or Roha around holla.

Since you still to this day have used Roha, it felt like a pretty safe assumption.

The comments made by that account are also very familiar... http://forum.gsplayers.com/search.php?searchid=4059047

[Gelston]

Oh look, another abuse. Stop that.

[Luntz]

Just to clarify this situation. I asked if you were Geosain. Your email address is nearly identical to the email address used by urmom in this thread here: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?27988-Geosain fralcon84 is the same in both, it's only the email provider that is different.

Where you state:



Since you still to this day have used Roha, it felt like a pretty safe assumption.

The comments made by that account are also very familiar... http://forum.gsplayers.com/search.php?searchid=4059047

Pretty amusing considering how simple of an explanation the truth is and you're doing mental gymnastics to connect some dots that aren't there. Since you don't know shit about shit, I'll make it simple, Geosain and Fralcon were both shared characters(by a few of us if I remember), the original Geosain wasn't even the original Geosain and the Geosain you are probably thinking of, said he'd never play again. Any further explanation isn't warranted, but you're a dumb shitstain who is overreaching and making himself look even stupider. Get a life, you fucking loser.

[Luntz]

So this guy is pretending to be demodded while being a crazy obsessive loser. Lmfao

[SashaFierce]

Pretty amusing considering how simple of an explanation the truth is and you're doing mental gymnastics to connect some dots that aren't there. Since you don't know shit about shit, I'll make it simple, Geosain and Fralcon were both shared characters(by a few of us if I remember), the original Geosain wasn't even the original Geosain and the Geosain you are probably thinking of, said he'd never play again. Any further explanation isn't warranted, but you're a dumb shitstain who is overreaching and making himself look even stupider. Get a life, you fucking loser.

I just thought you'd like to know why I asked if you were Geosain.

[Luntz]

I just thought you'd like to know why everyone is constantly laughing at you and your stupid internet detective bit. Every time you try to find some dirt on somebody, you look like a loser with too much time on his hands. It's getting quite pathetic but is also amusing to watch so, keep it up.

[SashaFierce]

I just thought you'd like to know why everyone is constantly laughing at you and your stupid internet detective bit. Every time you try to find some dirt on somebody, you look like a loser with too much time on his hands. It's getting quite pathetic but is also amusing to watch so, keep it up.

The PC is the place to enjoy yourself and find entertainment. So I guess it all works out in the end.

[Luntz]

The PC is the place to enjoy yourself and find entertainment. So I guess it all works out in the end.

http://i.imgur.com/lJS3Miu.gif
RL footage of Alastir enjoying himself

[Methais]

Where's Klaive when you need him?

[Luntz]

Alastir if you weren't so fucking stupid and awful, you'd realize that in your supposed effort to rid the PC of scammers, you are actually pushing away reliable silver/item sellers from the PC. I don't expect you to have any kind of self awareness about this, you're honestly one of the dumbest people I've ever seen in this game. Aldie included.

[Taernath]

Where's Klaive when you need him?

Let sleeping Klaives lie

[chalion]

https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-3-8/vbulletin-3-8-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/404991-hide-usernames-that-are-administrators
just gonna leave that there incase anyone thinks that just because the site leaders doesn't show his name anymore he isnt an admin.

[Zaigh]

https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-3-8/vbulletin-3-8-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/404991-hide-usernames-that-are-administrators
just gonna leave that there incase anyone thinks that just because the site leaders doesn't show his name anymore he isnt an admin.

That looks like it would require Admin access to change. I'm leaning more and more towards this being a site hack or something similar.

[Luftstreitkräfte]

if he was smart he would have immediately hidden his powers and not said anything.

wonder how many security answers people have shared via PM

NOT GOOD!

[Androidpk]

That looks like it would require Admin access to change. I'm leaning more and more towards this being a site hack or something similar.

ditto

The PC is compromised..

[Wrathbringer]

ditto

The PC is compromised..

sure seems that way.

[chalion]

Furthermore, only access to the .php files will allow you to remove superadmins. The above link, he could have done himself, but someone with access to the hosting files can add or remove him (or elevated access through an exploit like an injection script or something).
https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-3-8/vbulletin-3-8-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/325895-how-to-remove-a-super-admin

So unless someone trust worthy with site ownership of the hosting comes forth and says "yes he is removed from the admin list" there is no way to be 100% sure that is the case.

[Androidpk]

Furthermore, only access to the .php files will allow you to remove superadmins. The above link, he could have done himself, but someone with access to the hosting files can add or remove him (or elevated access through an exploit like an injection script or something).
https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-3-8/vbulletin-3-8-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/325895-how-to-remove-a-super-admin

So unless someone trust worthy with site ownership of the hosting comes forth and says "yes he is removed from the admin list" there is no way to be 100% sure that is the case.

All you need is Tamperdata and a little bit of patience to crack open a site unless it's secured.

[Thanos]

In many ways Kranar is the perfect site owner. He's got some rudimentary understanding of the subject matter, since he played once upon a time but he's rich and lost all interest. He's half-in half-out, perfect. All we need now is one perfect moderator.

[SonoftheNorth]

I'm assuming cash changed hands. Maybe Sashafierce took over the site but left Kranar in charge so everyone doesnt leave. Since he hide his title only after several people were threatening to leave. Also him being super mod instead of just a mod over merchant subforum points to something like that.

[Zaigh]

I'm assuming cash changed hands. Maybe Sashafierce took over the site but left Kranar in charge so everyone doesnt leave. Since he hide his title only after several people were threatening to leave. Also him being super mod instead of just a mod over merchant subforum points to something like that.

Betting you are right on the money here, looking back at the way the Kranar PM I got was very quick and spoke about feedback and the way SF keeps saying things about your feedback is noted... similar construction. Added to that is that SF said he knew what the Sakarri username listed under Admins was for and people who have been around longer having no clue.

Looks like even more reason to create a new forum and have a mass exodus from here.

[Luftstreitkräfte]

Betting you are right on the money here, looking back at the way the Kranar PM I got was very quick and spoke about feedback and the way SF keeps saying things about your feedback is noted... similar construction. Added to that is that SF said he knew what the Sakarri username listed under Admins was for and people who have been around longer having no clue.

Looks like even more reason to create a new forum and have a mass exodus from here.

wouldn't that get posted publically though? Like Kranar saying "hey all, here's whats up.."

I don't agree with an Exodus. There's too much personal info in PMs here from exchanges over the years. We need to get this situation rectified and continue using this message board.

[Neveragain]

lulz, if you know who I am you'll know I main a full tier 7 Necro with probably one of a handful of characters in the game with 1750 in a tert skill. I've shutdown the triage room in the Crossing Empath guild for 3+ hours alone, Sophrona present. I'll see you around...

https://media.giphy.com/media/1ShOi0oQfJmDK/giphy-facebook_s.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-CnmVVHIzU

[Tgo01]

Yeah at this point I'm not convinced everything is back to normal yet either. I don't think Kranar would receive our messages, saw this thread, saw the shit Sasha pulled, revoked his moderator status, and didn't bother to leave us all a message. Unless he's just too busy for this forum and its shenanigans anymore.

[SonoftheNorth]

A Lil clarification from someone would be nice. I've never really thought of Sashafierce as being a scumbag. I thought the whole segment thing was a Lil greasy and the way he tries to find out info/alts/first names of people then use them for intimidation. But I've never heard of him directly lying for profit or stealing but this whole moderator thing is really getting sketchy.

[SonoftheNorth]

He says he can't read your pms but he also said he just deletes spam in the merchant subforum.

[Tgo01]

He says he can't read your pms but he also said he just deletes spam in the merchant subforum.

Who is he in this sentence?

[SonoftheNorth]

Who is he in this sentence?

Sasha

[SonoftheNorth]

Maybe if he had explained wtf was going on instead of implying some team up with wyrom and grilling people about their emails. He's left me feedback with my alts name. Called flimbo Wesley and zaoloo Brian in Lil intimidation stunts which is why I lost it and assumed the worst with wyrom. Who could be Sashafierce pretending to be him at this point. How do we know anything.

[Geijon Khyree]

He says he can't read your pms but he also said he just deletes spam in the merchant subforum.

And posts where hes a raging conspiracist who harasses and stalks people for fun.

[Stumplicker]

Called flimbo Wesley

Yeah he's a real super sleuth with that one. Not sure what tipped him off. Maybe it was the two identical threads I made where I stated I was consolodating my two forum accounts because upkeeping a sales thread on one and a character art thread on the other was an annoyance.

[SonoftheNorth]

It's not that he find it out it's,that he stalks you if you disagree with him and that he will message you on lnet and be like "Shut up wesley" instead of your character name that doesn't sit well with me. He does it to try to intimidate people with having their information and now he's a super mod of.the unofficials with a high ranking staff members ear. Or so he's claimed.

[Astray]

The funny thing about cocaine is it numbs your entire face. Literally, your entire face. It's a bizarre feeling, not feeling your face.

[Thanos]

Give kranar the benefit of the doubt. But, some of the circumstantial evidence + him not just coming out and type up a 20 sec response clearing everything up is highly suspect.

[SonoftheNorth]

Well a heads up before giving a stalker access to private information would have been nice too. I'm sure many people would have left the board if they knew SashaFierce could now see their IP addresses etc. Why not warn everyone he was making Sasha a mod at least.

[Androidpk]

Is Buck's forum still up?

[Eodus]

It is odd that Kranar hasn't weighed in on any of this. Supposedly one or more people have made outside contact? Has anyone had a face to face? Not trying to feed the community sense of doubt here, but you've got to admit the silence is super odd considering this 500+ post thread could be shut down with a single sentence.

Perhaps he is biding his time and weighing his options. This would be the most logical thing for him to do.

[Thanos]

It is odd that Kranar hasn't weighed in on any of this. Supposedly one or more people have made outside contact? Has anyone had a face to face? Not trying to feed the community sense of doubt here, but you've got to admit the silence is super odd considering this 500+ post thread could be shut down with a single sentence.

Perhaps he is biding his time and weighing his options. This would be the most logical thing for him to do.

I'm leaning toward Zaigh and company's theory now, some money changed hands and the site may not entirely belong to kranar anymore.

[Androidpk]

In the past Kranar has been pretty good at responding to the community and letting us know what was up. I shot him an email but haven't heard anything.

[Androidpk]

I'm leaning toward Zaigh and company's theory now, some money changed hands and the site may not entirely belong to kranar anymore.

I'm not buying that theory one bit.

[Tgo01]

I'm leaning toward Zaigh and company's theory now, some money changed hands and the site may not entirely belong to kranar anymore.

I won't rule out the hacking theory just yet but Kranar seems like the type of person who would have made an announcement that he was selling the forums before going through with it. Unless he's really fallen on hard times and the buyer insisted he not say anything, but this seems unlikely. Anything is possible I suppose.

[Mogonis]

But that doesn't make sense. I've seen people mention that Kranar isn't hurting for money. If that's the case, why would money sway him?

[Wrathbringer]

I'm not buying that theory one bit.

nah, me either. This feels more like a hack job. PC's been compromised.

[Warriorbird]

nah, me either. This feels more like a hack job. PC's been compromised.

It's either that or the other. Kinda funny that he's not able to delete this thread. Somebody finally made the Politics folder seem comparatively stable.

[Wyrom]

No one has taken my identity or compromised this account. I'm just pointing it out that I am who I say I am. I've cross-posted information numerous times at this point.

As for the rest of the drama that occurred, it worries me to continue to openly post here. The purpose of me coming here was to open another channel of communication with the GemStone IV community. For clearing up misconceptions and to answer questions (that I can openly talk about). I was surprised to see as many PMs as I receive here, which shows it has been useful to our players. For a long time, proper communication has been severed here.

The only thing I really regret is not chiming in sooner and letting people draw false conclusions, which in turn made people lose their cool. I should have addressed it when the first email came through in the wee hours.

[Androidpk]

It's either that or the other. Kinda funny that he's not able to delete this thread. Somebody finally made the Politics folder seem comparatively stable.

Selling it makes absolutely zero sense.

[SonoftheNorth]

Kinda funny that he's not able to delete this thread.


As a super moderator (which is what he was listed as) he would have been able to. He probably just didn't to show his hand.

[SonoftheNorth]

I'd rather have Wyrom as a mod to protect against scamming at this point. If that isn't against the rules. If SashaFierce is going to be sending him info (probably skewed to benefit himself) anyway I'd rather cut out the middleman.

[Mogonis]

That would be inappropriate. This is independent from Simu and the game.

Granted, still better than SashaFierce.

[SonoftheNorth]

That would be inappropriate. This is independent from Simu and the game.


Apparently it isn't. SashaFierce has access to information normal posters don't. Maybe simu doesn't want it or will not use the information but that doesn't mean SashaFierce wouldn't send it.

[Androidpk]

PCexit coming up.

[SonoftheNorth]

And if they are being fed the information I'd rather trustworthy people be in control of it.

[Mogonis]

Apparently it isn't. SashaFierce has access to information normal posters don't. Maybe simu doesn't want it or will not use the information but that doesn't mean SashaFierce wouldn't send it.
Simu has more information about you than this forum. What could help Simu is corroborating data from here and their records to match activity to a particular user.

[Enuch]

No one has taken my identity or compromised this account. I'm just pointing it out that I am who I say I am. I've cross-posted information numerous times at this point.

As for the rest of the drama that occurred, it worries me to continue to openly post here. The purpose of me coming here was to open another channel of communication with the GemStone IV community. For clearing up misconceptions and to answer questions (that I can openly talk about). I was surprised to see as many PMs as I receive here, which shows it has been useful to our players. For a long time, proper communication has been severed here.

The only thing I really regret is not chiming in sooner and letting people draw false conclusions, which in turn made people lose their cool. I should have addressed it when the first email came through in the wee hours.

Well congrats to the 4-5 people who have been flaming about this and squealing collusion. One the better things to happen to us IMO was this open communication and justifiably it may be gone now. KUDOS.

I hope you keep posting wyrom but I get your choice and it sucks that you have been forced to have to lessen communication over this.

[Tgo01]

Well congrats to the 4-5 people who have been flaming about this and squealing collusion. One the better things to happen to us IMO was this open communication and justifiably it may be gone now. KUDOS.

This is no one's fault but SashaFierce's.

He wanted to sound more important than he really is, then he either hacked his way into becoming a mod or he fooled people into making him a mod.

[Warriorbird]

PCexit coming up.

Yes.

[Enuch]

This is no one's fault but SashaFierce's.

He wanted to sound more important than he really is, then he either hacked his way into becoming a mod or he fooled people into making him a mod.

A couple people have implied Simu has been involved as well as wyrom. Without looking at posts chalion comes to mind. Not local to chalion. And while I don't care if people voice there opinions it does have a cause and effect on that relationship

[Tgo01]

A couple people have implied Simu has been involved as well as wyrom.

SashaFierce is the one who has been name dropping Wyrom since this all started. SashaFierce has name dropped Wyrom in the past but people generally ignored it, this time he was name dropping Wyrom as a moderator and claimed his communications with Wyrom were partly why he became a mod.

[SonoftheNorth]

SashaFierce is shady.

[Androidpk]

I'm all for Wyrom posting here, his presence has been a boon. Sasha on the other hand.. that dude needs to go.

[Tgo01]

I think Wyrom said he started posting here to clear up misconceptions people had in regards to changes and announcements and whatnot on the officials since a lot of people who post here don't visit the officials.

I don't see a problem with this.

[SonoftheNorth]

I'm all for Wyrom posting here, his presence has been a boon. Sasha on the other hand.. that dude needs to go.

I agree I was just playing devil's advocate but if simu is being sent info by PC staff we should all have been made aware of it before hand.

[Velfi]

Anybody wanna hit me with a thread update? I'm definitely not reading through 60 pages of this for the latest, holy fuck.

[Androidpk]

Anybody wanna hit me with a thread update? I'm definitely not reading through 60 pages of this for the latest, holy fuck.

Inspire hacked the PC and made himself super mod and started deleting shit and creeping on people and stalking them.

[Velfi]

Inspire hacked the PC and made himself super mod and started deleting shit and creeping on people and stalking them.

http://i.imgur.com/80ySBvo.jpg

[Eodus]

http://i.imgur.com/80ySBvo.jpg

May not be far from the truth, as it turns out.

Did anyone else notice that the site lost DB connection for about eight minutes? About a half an hour ago?

[Tgo01]

Anybody wanna hit me with a thread update? I'm definitely not reading through 60 pages of this for the latest, holy fuck.

SashaFierce somehow gained super moderator status, two main theories are he tricked Kranar into it or he or someone else hacked the forums and gave him the mod status.

SashaFierce claimed he was only going to moderate his list of scammers, turned out he was deleting any thread he could where people accused him of being a scammer.

SashaFierce heavily implied he was snooping on any private information he could find about people here on the PC.

SashaFierce also heavily implied he was in communications with Wyrom about catching scammers and said this was part of the reason he was made a mod and said he would be giving Wyrom our personal information in an effort to stop scammers. This made people uncomfortable and since SashaFierce brought Wyrom into this shitshow Wyrom has indicated he thinks it might be best if he left the PC for now.

SashaFierce used his new mod abilities to call out alt accounts.

SashaFierce started private messaging anyone on lnet who spoke up about his bullshit.

SashaFierce told us all he would no longer be moderator, less than an hour later he was no longer listed as a moderator, but since Kranar has not made a public announcement about any of this the theory is still that SashaFierce or someone else hacked the forums and merely hid SashaFierce's mod status.

[Androidpk]

Did anyone else notice that the site lost DB connection for about eight minutes? About a half an hour ago?

yes

[Velfi]

SashaFierce somehow gained super moderator status, two main theories are he tricked Kranar into it or he or someone else hacked the forums and gave him the mod status.

SashaFierce claimed he was only going to moderate his list of scammers, turned out he was deleting any thread he could where people accused him of being a scammer.

SashaFierce heavily implied he was snooping on any private information he could find about people here on the PC.

SashaFierce also heavily implied he was in communications with Wyrom about catching scammers and said this was part of the reason he was made a mod and said he would be giving Wyrom our personal information in an effort to stop scammers. This made people uncomfortable and since SashaFierce brought Wyrom into this shitshow Wyrom has indicated he thinks it might be best if he left the PC for now.

SashaFierce started calling out alt accounts.

SashaFierce started private messaging anyone on lnet who spoke up about his bullshit.

SashaFierce told us all he would no longer be moderator, less than an hour later he was no longer listed as a moderator, but since Kranar has not made a public announcement about any of this the theory is still that SashaFierce or someone else hacked the forums and merely hid SashaFierce's mod status.

Danke.

Also, http://i.imgur.com/fiL2Q2t.gif

[Zaigh]

SashaFierce somehow gained super moderator status, two main theories are he tricked Kranar into it or he or someone else hacked the forums and gave him the mod status.

SashaFierce claimed he was only going to moderate his list of scammers, turned out he was deleting any thread he could where people accused him of being a scammer.

SashaFierce heavily implied he was snooping on any private information he could find about people here on the PC.

SashaFierce also heavily implied he was in communications with Wyrom about catching scammers and said this was part of the reason he was made a mod and said he would be giving Wyrom our personal information in an effort to stop scammers. This made people uncomfortable and since SashaFierce brought Wyrom into this shitshow Wyrom has indicated he thinks it might be best if he left the PC for now.

SashaFierce started calling out alt accounts.

SashaFierce started private messaging anyone on lnet who spoke up about his bullshit.

SashaFierce told us all he would no longer be moderator, less than an hour later he was no longer listed as a moderator, but since Kranar has not made a public announcement about any of this the theory is still that SashaFierce or someone else hacked the forums and merely hid SashaFierce's mod status.

With the change in SF's mod appearance, he first wasn't listed as a Mod on the Merchant's Market page while still being listed on the Site Leader page as the only Super Moderator. Once this was brought up SF no longer appeared there but was seen commenting on LNet that he didn't need to be visible to do what needed to be done.

[Ososis]

I don't even LNET and he came at me on Global ESP. No one is safe!

To be fair, the interaction was
Alastir: Hello!
Me: Hard pass, I don't cross worlds so I don't know you. (paraphrase)

But I received no further contact, so +0.5

[drauz]

SashaFierce somehow gained super moderator status, two main theories are he tricked Kranar into it or he or someone else hacked the forums and gave him the mod status.

SashaFierce claimed he was only going to moderate his list of scammers, turned out he was deleting any thread he could where people accused him of being a scammer.

SashaFierce heavily implied he was snooping on any private information he could find about people here on the PC.

SashaFierce also heavily implied he was in communications with Wyrom about catching scammers and said this was part of the reason he was made a mod and said he would be giving Wyrom our personal information in an effort to stop scammers. This made people uncomfortable and since SashaFierce brought Wyrom into this shitshow Wyrom has indicated he thinks it might be best if he left the PC for now.

SashaFierce used his new mod abilities to call out alt accounts.

SashaFierce started private messaging anyone on lnet who spoke up about his bullshit.

SashaFierce told us all he would no longer be moderator, less than an hour later he was no longer listed as a moderator, but since Kranar has not made a public announcement about any of this the theory is still that SashaFierce or someone else hacked the forums and merely hid SashaFierce's mod status.

http://i.imgur.com/MFJlHXa.gif

[SonoftheNorth]

Him alluding to the fact he had a working relationship with wyrom is what made me spaz out instead of him just saying he emailed wyrom that info unsolicated. He's words shit very carefully so it looks like he has GM's backing him then edits or deletes it.

[macgayver]

Fine, I will accept everyone's nomination to become the new moderator.

[Allereli]

holy fuck.

JESUS FUCK! Get it right, man

[velderan]

Fine, I will accept everyone's nomination to become the new moderator.

Aren't you JUST as hated as SF?

[SonoftheNorth]

Aren't you JUST as hated as SF?
Reread who posted that

[chalion]

I will apologize that Wyrom's name was called into question. However, I think its pretty clear that more than once SF brought it up and opened that door.
I hope Wyrom joins us in the new forums in an environment that everyone is comfortable with. I think he presence has been a great addition, however, the environment here is such that there is no clear answer to what is going on in the background and who is in control of anything anymore.

[Parkbandit]

Make yourself useful and tell us what ClydeR's other handles are.


https://www.wearefine.com/mingle/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/unnamed-111.gif

[Tisket]

https://www.wearefine.com/mingle/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/unnamed-111.gif

I got a response but it's not who I expected. Not posting in case I'm just being fucked with.

[Androidpk]

I got a response but it's not who I expected. Not posting in case I'm just being fucked with.

don't be a tease!

[Velfi]

JESUS FUCK! Get it right, man

http://i.imgur.com/PauVPJ9.gif

[Tisket]

don't be a tease!

Hey man, it's so seldom I know anything before everyone else. Let me savor the moment. Even if I've been fed bad intel!

[Androidpk]

Let me savor the moment.


https://media.giphy.com/media/33596VU45bsDC/giphy.gif

[macgyver]

This is so fucked up. It's a giant clusterfuck put into a blender with dog's shitting in it as it's churning.

I mean fuck me, Inspire/Sasha you're a fucking genius...

https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHPxxnSw1L9T1rW/giphy.gif

[Mogonis]

http://oi64.tinypic.com/jg5cau.jpg

http://oi64.tinypic.com/1zdyr8n.jpg

[Velfi]

http://i.imgur.com/7hptES1.gif

[Ososis]

People need to take responsibility with the shit they churned up. IMHO, SF dropping Wyrom's name is not why Wyrom is considering not posting anymore.

[lbaqwzfo]

IP's Sasha Fierce has connected with (full address hidden so someone isn't murdered IRL, but they know)
xx.xx.246.233
xx.xx.240.5

Other accounts that have connected with those addresses:
One Way Ticket
Alastir

Users currently in the admin group:
Kranar
Sakarri

Users currently in the moderators groups:
Soulpieced
Edaarin
Stretch

I don't know if you can keep mod/admin rights without being in the proper groups.

Kranar - security updates please.

[Velfi]

IP's Sasha Fierce has connected with (full address hidden so someone isn't murdered IRL, but they know)
xx.xx.246.233
xx.xx.240.5

Other accounts that have connected with those addresses:
One Way Ticket
Alastir

Users currently in the admin group:
Kranar
Sakarri

Users currently in the moderators groups:
Soulpieced
Edaarin
Stretch

I don't know if you can keep mod/admin rights without being in the proper groups.

Kranar - security updates please.

Hi there

[Mogonis]

What we're saying is that he is still a moderator and hid the Super Moderators section on that page.

[Tgo01]

IMHO, SF dropping Wyrom's name is not why Wyrom is considering not posting anymore.

Maybe not, but SashaFierce is the one who originally brought Wyrom into this mess.

[Androidpk]

I find it really odd that Anticor is no longer a mod. As far as I know Kranar never removed his mod status and Anticor never relinquished it.

[Tyronebiggums]

IP's Sasha Fierce has connected with (full address hidden so someone isn't murdered IRL, but they know)
xx.xx.246.233
xx.xx.240.5

Other accounts that have connected with those addresses:
One Way Ticket
Alastir

Users currently in the admin group:
Kranar
Sakarri

Users currently in the moderators groups:
Soulpieced
Edaarin
Stretch

I don't know if you can keep mod/admin rights without being in the proper groups.

Kranar - security updates please.

Who's this guy now?

[Geijon Khyree]

PCexit coming up.

Yep.

[Mogonis]

Who's this guy now?
Maybe we should ask SashaFierce?

[Ososis]

Maybe not, but SashaFierce is the one who originally brought Wyrom into this mess.

True, and it was out of line and misleading. That being said, taking your news from someone like SF and running with it like its fact is...well fuck I guess it's the American way.

[Ososis]

Who's this guy now?


Proxy junker would be my guess.

[Geijon Khyree]

Wyrom is dope. Keep his name out of your mouths. ;)

[chalion]

My last post here, I stand by the following facts:
Alastir/sasha fierce was the admin of the simucon stream chat
There is enough circumstancial evidence to indicate that SF/AL logs everything on lnet and isn't above using alts to track and log people he deems "problems"
SF/AL somehow become a superadmin of the site, this can only be removed one way :


You'll need to edit the includes/config.php file:

PHP Code:
// ****** UNDELETABLE / UNALTERABLE USERS ******
// The users specified here will not be deletable or alterable from the control panel by any users.
// To specify more than one user, separate userids with commas.
$config['SpecialUsers']['undeletableusers'] = '';

// ****** SUPER ADMINISTRATORS ******
// The users specified below will have permission to access the administrator permissions
// page, which controls the permissions of other administrators
$config['SpecialUsers']['superadministrators'] = '1';

This requires access to the sites files, meaning you have admin access of the hosting or at least modification privilages through some remote connection. Either legit or not.

It is very trivial for an admin to hide the fact that they are an admin, combined with the above, there is NO 100% way to know for sure that he is no longer an admin
https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-3-8/vbulletin-3-8-questions-problems-and-troubleshooting/404991-hide-usernames-that-are-administrators

Those two facts lead into this, which is the point of contention for some, and the point I first brought up.
SF/AL has continually said again and again that he has either sent/will send/can send unknown private information gathered from these forums using an unknown level of access and sending them to Simutronics (Wyrom) at his discretion.
He has proven multiple time and again to have questionable discretion at best and down right malicious intention at worst (Covering up his own history by deleting threads and only restoring what was found and called out on)
Wyrom has said they wouldn't directly ask for information but would use received information to "connect the dots" on the information they already have.

That being said, ask yourself this. If you were to somehow end up on SF/AL bad side, what is stopping him from sending information, real or doctored, with an unknown level of access, to simutronics to try and indicate that you are a problem? Far fetched? Maybe. But given what he did in the first few days/hours of being a moderator/having admin access, what would he do over time and given the breathing room to let people get comfortable with having that control? How did he gain that access? How did he get to be admin of the simucon stream? Something that should be officially run.

If any of the above is not true please feel free to correct me with proof. If you want to discuss the privacy concerns/merits of transfering information from a third party website to a company we can discuss it on the new forums. Again, I'm sorry if I used really inflammatory words and suggestions, but there are a lot of unknowns and when it comes to these things you never know what might bite you in the ass. I hope this all gets cleared up one way or the other and a comfortable relationship is kept with the officials and the unofficials and keeping things in a laid back realistic tone for distributing information.

[Ososis]

Lots of unknowns for sure, but here is a known you seemed to ignore. Wyrom is not a fucking piece of shit. That little factoid could have answered a lot of your speculations before they became accusations.

[Tgo01]

I think hindsight is the problem in a lot of this. When Wyrom made some of those posts he probably thought Sasha's mod status was legit, or at least thought Sasha's story was true that Kranar promoted him to help out with scammers. He probably then had no problem saying he would use information to connect the dots because he thought everything was legit.

I think once Wyrom realized what a fuckwad Sasha is and how fishy all of this was he realized it was a mistake to say some of the things he said because it all ended up biting him on the ass.

This is why I don't place any blame on Wyrom, I think he was duped just as a lot of us were. I mean shit, it wasn't until Bigworm pointed out that Sasha was deleting threads that most people started to think something wasn't quite right, and that wasn't until like page 20 or 30 of this thread. Up until that most people just thought maybe Kranar wasn't quite aware of what a douche Sasha was before he promoted him, the theories of Kranar being tricked/hacked came after this revelation.

[Ososis]

The posts I remember/found from wyrom all seemed to be stating distance, not support. But, to be fair, I could have missed some in this mess, or misinterpreted them.

[SashaFierce]

IP's Sasha Fierce has connected with (full address hidden so someone isn't murdered IRL, but they know)
xx.xx.246.233
xx.xx.240.5

Other accounts that have connected with those addresses:
One Way Ticket
Alastir

Users currently in the admin group:
Kranar
Sakarri

Users currently in the moderators groups:
Soulpieced
Edaarin
Stretch

I don't know if you can keep mod/admin rights without being in the proper groups.

Kranar - security updates please.


This is interesting, and should show how easily it is to hack the PC and get people's information. It took Haldrik/Kalros less than 24 hours.

[Eodus]

This is interesting, and should show how easily it is to hack the PC and get people's information. It took Haldrik/Kalros less than 24 hours.

What this tells me is that Kranar is still in control of the forum. Otherwise Haldrik would've linked Kranar's IP with Sasha's.

Definitely bothersome that the httpd access logs were so easy to acquire though.

[Luntz]

What this tells me is that Kranar is still in control of the forum. Otherwise Haldrik would've linked Kranar's IP with Sasha's.

Definitely bothersome that the httpd access logs were so easy to acquire though.

You're assuming Alastir isn't lying about Kalros, something he has had no problem doing in the past. Never assume Alastir isn't a bitch ass whiny loser with a tiny baby dick or else you'll get it wrong, every time.

[Donquix]

This is interesting, and should show how easily it is to hack the PC and get people's information. It took Haldrik/Kalros less than 24 hours.

What brought you to that conclusion other than "i don't like this person, and they wrote some lich scripts once so THEY ARE TEH HAX0RZ"

[Eodus]

You're assuming Alastir isn't lying about Kalros, something he has had no problem doing in the past. Never assume Alastir isn't a bitch ass whiny loser with a tiny baby dick or else you'll get it wrong, every time.

There are enough variables at this point, I am not sure what to consider. But getting to the bottom of this, one way or another.

[SashaFierce]

What brought you to that conclusion other than "i don't like this person, and they wrote some lich scripts once so THEY ARE TEH HAX0RZ"

#1. Previous claim of sicking a hacker on me.

[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Hey Alastir, want me to send your name to a real hacker?" [10:16 PM]
[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Alastir, if i can get a hacker to cause your Stormfront to crash. Will you step down as super mod?" [10:17 PM]
[Private]-GSIV:Kalros: "test" [10:19 PM]

#2. IP address

[Ososis]

#1. Previous claim of sicking a hacker on me.
#2. IP address

Well that answers any question about continued access. But really, Hackerman made a junker account but didn't disguise their ip?

EDIT
Oh shit. You took the bait and outed yourself, again. Well played kalros, well played.

[Androidpk]

#2. IP address

So you're admitting that you still have mod status.

[macgyver]

Can we just please get Kranar to set everything straight?!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m37go7mT0Z1r9rjs4.gif

[Eodus]

#1. Previous claim of sicking a hacker on me.

[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Hey Alastir, want me to send your name to a real hacker?" [10:16 PM]
[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Alastir, if i can get a hacker to cause your Stormfront to crash. Will you step down as super mod?" [10:17 PM]
[Private]-GSIV:Kalros: "test" [10:19 PM]

#2. IP address

Getting StormFront to crash does not constitute hacking abilities. If Haldrik hacked the site, I would expect him to provide sufficient proof of doing so. Or you to provide moderator's official statement of an IP connection with the accounts in question.

[Ososis]

Can we just please get Kranar to set everything straight?!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m37go7mT0Z1r9rjs4.gif

Fuck you Venkman!

[Mogonis]

Big surprise, SashaFierce still hasn't provided any real information about anything, which is why he'll soon have no forum to moderate.

[SonoftheNorth]

Yeah the "hacker" could be just be SF too to throw a false trail. This is a goddammit mess.

[Mogonis]

He's had too long to scour through our data. I don't think anyone's going to trust this forum ever again with or without Kranar coming forward.

[Androidpk]

There is a GS4 subreddit that could be used. I think WRoss is the mod..

[Mogonis]

There is a GS4 subreddit that could be used. I think WRoss is the mod..
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57535016.jpg

[Tgo01]

He's had too long to scour through our data. I don't think anyone's going to trust this forum ever again with or without Kranar coming forward.

Yeah I'm not gonna save private messages anymore. Honestly other than that and making sure you use a unique password for the PC I really don't think there is much more to worry about as far as personal information goes.

I don't think other forums are going to necessarily be immune from the hacking or DDOS that the PC has been subjected to, other than maybe the issues might be resolved sooner with a more active admin.

[lbaqwzfo]

#1. Previous claim of sicking a hacker on me.

[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Hey Alastir, want me to send your name to a real hacker?" [10:16 PM]
[LNet]-GSIV:Kalros: "Alastir, if i can get a hacker to cause your Stormfront to crash. Will you step down as super mod?" [10:17 PM]
[Private]-GSIV:Kalros: "test" [10:19 PM]

#2. IP address

3 possibilities:

1) You still have elevated privs, but are just lying about this "connection" to Kalros (details on that to come) because you're grasping at straws.

2) You don't have privileges anymore and are just making things up (my favorite)

3) The incredibly unlikely event that Kalros connects to the PC using the same random TOR / VPN / proxy endpoint in Europe I used to make these posts is a hilarious coincidence. Apparently this one is coming from: Germany. Grüße.

[Androidpk]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57535016.jpg


Yeah I know, just tossing options out there.

[SashaFierce]

3 possibilities:

1) You still have elevated privs, but are just lying about this "connection" to Kalros (details on that to come) because you're grasping at straws.

2) You don't have privileges anymore and are just making things up (my favorite)

3) The incredibly unlikely event that Kalros connects to the PC using the same random TOR / VPN / proxy endpoint in Europe I used to make these posts is a hilarious coincidence. Apparently this one is coming from: Germany. Grüße.

All good possibilities.

[Lulfas]

Yeah I'm not gonna save private messages anymore. Honestly other than that and making sure you use a unique password for the PC I really don't think there is much more to worry about as far as personal information goes.

I don't think other forums are going to necessarily be immune from the hacking or DDOS that the PC has been subjected to, other than maybe the issues might be resolved sooner with a more active admin.

To be fair, using a subreddit fixes both of those issues.

[Haldrik]

JESUS FUCK! Get it right, man

PREACH!

[Stumplicker]

If you still play Gemstone, you know or will know what the accepted solution is. It's being kept on LNet for now. Watch TownCrier in the next few days for updates or just ask in game.

[Haldrik]

Wait, what the fuck is going on? Why is Zaoloo congratulating me on my hacking abilities.


This is interesting, and should show how easily it is to hack the PC and get people's information. It took Haldrik/Kalros less than 24 hours.

Are you serious? You do know that if I hacked this place I would destroy you. Everyone should know by now that 1) I have no filter and 2) I give zero fucks.


3 possibilities:

1) You still have elevated privs, but are just lying about this "connection" to Kalros (details on that to come) because you're grasping at straws.

2) You don't have privileges anymore and are just making things up (my favorite)

3) The incredibly unlikely event that Kalros connects to the PC using the same random TOR / VPN / proxy endpoint in Europe I used to make these posts is a hilarious coincidence. Apparently this one is coming from: Germany. Grüße.


I'm leaning towards #2 at this point. Sashfierce / Alastir should have been able to compare my IP with yours and see that we are connecting from different places. Unless, GASP, did you make my IP the same as yours? Dirty!

[Candor]

Honestly other than that and making sure you use a unique password for the PC I really don't think there is much more to worry about as far as personal information goes.\\

It is a really, really, good idea to have a unique password for every account you have on the Internet, and to use a password manager that encrypts all these passwords on your hard drive.

[Tisket]

Yeah I'm not gonna save private messages anymore. Honestly other than that and making sure you use a unique password for the PC I really don't think there is much more to worry about as far as personal information goes.

I don't think other forums are going to necessarily be immune from the hacking or DDOS that the PC has been subjected to, other than maybe the issues might be resolved sooner with a more active admin.

I have 8k PMs including my responses, in my inbox folders. I wish luck to anyone trying to wade through that mess.

[Tgo01]

I have 8k PMS in my inbox folders. I wish luck to anyone trying to wade through that mess.

That's a lot of PMS in your inbox.

[SonoftheNorth]

I have 8k PMS in my inbox folders. I wish luck to anyone trying to wade through that mess.
Most of them dick pics.

[Tisket]

That's a lot of PMS in your inbox.

I knew as soon as I hit the post button that I would regret it.

[Donquix]

If anyone is like, super worried about it at the bottom of your private message inbox is a link to download all of your PMs in plain text, XML, or CSV format

[SonoftheNorth]

If anyone is like, super worried about it at the bottom of your private message inbox is a link to download all of your PMs in plain text, XML, or CSV format

Or just message SF he probably already has em downloaded

[Androidpk]

Most of them dick pics.

Tisket is the Fort Knox of spank banks.

[Stunseed]

This is interesting, and should show how easily it is to hack the PC and get people's information. It took Haldrik/Kalros less than 24 hours.

We certainly understand your concern, and thank you for your feedback.

We empathize that suddenly your information is available and is a concern.

For the record, you deserve everything that may come to you for what's occurred. It's not too late to pick up a magic kit for beginners and simply walk away.

[SashaFierce]

We certainly understand your concern, and thank you for your feedback.

We empathize that suddenly your information is available and is a concern.

For the record, you deserve everything that may come to you for what's occurred. It's not too late to pick up a magic kit for beginners and simply walk away.

What do I deserve to come to me?

I'm not a moderator any longer. Are you saying I'm not allowed to play the game now?

[Astray]

What do I deserve to come to me?

I'm not a moderator any longer. Are you saying I'm not allowed to play the game now?

You got dunked on, son.

[Velfi]

You got dunked on, son.

http://i.imgur.com/0fYeuWh.gif

[Donquix]

http://i.imgur.com/0fYeuWh.gif

https://www.reddit.com/r/comeonandslam/

[Velfi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/comeonandslam/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f20XK-KdKIg

[Luftstreitkräfte]

I sent Kranar an invite/message on LinkedIn hopefully that will help to have him come and let us know his feelings on recent developments.

[Mogonis]

I'm not a moderator any longer.
You keep saying things, and we keep not believing you.

[Methais]

PCexit coming up.

In the event of a PCExit, remember to buy coins from me.

[Methais]

That's a lot of dicks in your inbox.

Fixed.

[SashaFierce]

You keep saying things, and we keep not believing you.

Try being a little less dramatic, and a little more patient. I'm sure Kranar will post here eventually to clarify the moderator issue.

[Mogonis]

Try being a little less dramatic, and a little more patient. I'm sure Kranar will post here eventually to clarify the moderator issue.
I made the mistake of reading your post before looking at who posted it. Then I laughed hysterically.

You are clueless. You won't tell us how you contacted Kranar to make you a moderator. If you were in touch with him before, why are you so unsure about what he's going to do? It only suggests that you never had contact with him.

[Tisket]

(full address hidden so someone isn't murdered IRL, but they know)


Except you can't locate someone's exact address from an IP address.

I guess if someone wanted to buy a ticket to his general area and wander around repeatedly shouting, "Alastir! Where are you?!" and Alastir is stupid enough to stick his head out then sure, it could be a dangerous situation for him.

But good job protecting the innocent...

[Donquix]

Except you can't locate someone's exact address from an IP address.

I guess if someone wanted to buy a ticket to his general area and wander around repeatedly shouting, "Alastir! Where are you?!" and Alastir is stupid enough to stick his head out then sure, it could be a dangerous situation for him.

But good job protecting the innocent...

You can come pretty close if you're motivated, especially if the person lives in a small town someplace.

And lets be real, PC people are fucking nuts. Probably a good call they erred on the side of caution :P

[Tisket]

You can come pretty close if you're motivated, especially if the person lives in a small town someplace.

And lets be real, PC people are fucking nuts. Probably a good call they erred on the side of caution :P

Maybe. My household is heavily armed so I guess I'm not as worried as some might be.

[Luntz]

You can come pretty close if you're motivated, especially if the person lives in a small town someplace.

And lets be real, PC people are fucking nuts. Probably a good call they erred on the side of caution :P

Alastir showing up at your house irl
http://i.imgur.com/1SjS6.gif

[Donquix]

Alastir showing up at your house irl
http://i.imgur.com/1SjS6.gif

http://i.imgur.com/IUZrSBb.jpg

[Jhynnifer]

This thread started because I removed messages made by Luntz, which I posted above, that were unnecessary and irrelevant.

I'm late to the show but this sentence sums up exactly why you shouldn't be a moderator. Your job isn't to delete posts that are unnecessary or irrelevant, and doing so is a gross misuse of your moderating powers.

[Donquix]

I'm late to the show but this sentence sums up exactly why you shouldn't be a moderator. Your job isn't to delete posts that are unnecessary or irrelevant, and doing so is a gross misuse of your moderating powers.

But it's not abuse of powers. Luntz was mean to them!

Don't you guys get it?!?!

[Jhynnifer]

But it's not abuse of powers. Luntz was mean to them!

Don't you guys get it?!?!

Well, he's stepped down as moderator, so I'll give him kudos for that!

[Astray]

Well, he's stepped down as moderator, so I'll give him kudos for that!

Stepping down and being rekt into submission are two different things.

[Ososis]

Well, he's stepped down as moderator, so I'll give him kudos for that!

I am not convinced of that. It shows a self awareness that has been completely absent up until now. I feel he got pulled.

[Jhynnifer]

I am not convinced of that. It shows a self awareness that has been completely absent up until now. I feel he got pulled.

Well, Kranar said he stepped down in the new moderators thread and he doesn't come across as a guy who would lie for funsies.

[Ososis]

Well, Kranar said he stepped down in the new moderators thread and he doesn't come across as a guy who would lie for funsies.


I don't know him, but yeah I agree that seems to be the consensus on Kranar. How I read it was he "respectfully stepped down" when told he was getting pulled. Like when people are given the opportunity to resign because they are going to get fired anyway. But that is just my inference.

[Jhynnifer]

I don't know him, but yeah I agree that seems to be the consensus on Kranar. How I read it was he "respectfully stepped down" when told he was getting pulled. Like when people are given the opportunity to resign because they are going to get fired anyway. But that is just my inference.

We may never know! But either way, crisis averted. Hear that? It's the sound of panties unbunching all across the forum!

[Axhinde]

I don't know him, but yeah I agree that seems to be the consensus on Kranar. How I read it was he "respectfully stepped down" when told he was getting pulled. Like when people are given the opportunity to resign because they are going to get fired anyway. But that is just my inference.

Nowhere in Kranar's post was there a mention of SF being pulled. It was stated that he was respectful in stepping down as a result of all this, meaning he didn't have his floaties on in the pool of tears. I read lots of conspiracies in that thread. Pretty scary to know people actually believe some of the shit they say.

Edit: I never believed he hacked the PC, or met with Russians in secret, gave our DNA mapping to China, or was drinking buddies with Wyrom. He deleted posts, without statement that posts would be pulled, or why said posts were deleted which everyone had a right to take offense to. It turned into a witch hunt, which was lame.

[Luntz]

Stepping down and being rekt into submission are two different things.

Quote of the thread

[Astray]

Quote of the thread

Damn straight.

[Ososis]

It's not that far fetched an inference based on the situation. But considering all the crazy talk going on I am glad you chose this super important distinction to focus on.

[Ltlprprincess]

Nowhere in Kranar's post was there a mention of SF being pulled. It was stated that he was respectful in stepping down as a result of all this, meaning he didn't have his floaties on in the pool of tears. I read lots of conspiracies in that thread. Pretty scary to know people actually believe some of the shit they say.

Edit: I never believed he hacked the PC, or met with Russians in secret, gave our DNA mapping to China, or was drinking buddies with Wyrom. He deleted posts, without statement that posts would be pulled, or why said posts were deleted which everyone had a right to take offense to. It turned into a witch hunt, which was lame.

100% Agree here

[Tgo01]

It turned into a witch hunt, which was lame.

Like I said earlier I was willing to give SashaFierce a chance as mod until he started deleting threads and heavily implying he was checking out whatever private information he could find about us on the PC. That and lnet messaging people who spoke out against him, I mean seriously, what was that shit about?

SashaFierce has only himself to blame for the ensuing witch hunt.

[Ososis]

Like I said earlier I was willing to give SashaFierce a chance as mod until he started deleting threads and heavily implying he was checking out whatever private information he could find about us on the PC. That and lnet messaging people who spoke out against him, I mean seriously, what was that shit about?

SashaFierce has only himself to blame for the ensuing witch hunt.

Stop denying it, if you had just hugged him more none of this would have ever happened. Take some responsibility! :)

[Axhinde]

Like I said earlier I was willing to give SashaFierce a chance as mod until he started deleting threads and heavily implying he was checking out whatever private information he could find about us on the PC. That and lnet messaging people who spoke out against him, I mean seriously, what was that shit about?

SashaFierce has only himself to blame for the ensuing witch hunt.

With actions like those, I'd have to agree. At least its over, for now. Until the next big uproar. The PC has always been good for that.

[Tgo01]

Stop denying it, if you had just hugged him more none of this would have ever happened. Take some responsibility! :)

:(

[Tgo01]

With actions like those, I'd have to agree. At least its over, for now. Until the next big uproar. The PC has always been good for that.

Well we all need a hobby outside our hobby of GS.

[Axhinde]

Well we all need a hobby outside our hobby of GS.

But GS takes the time of multiple hobbies! Damn this game.

[Donquix]

You can have other hobbies, they just have to be able to done in 10-15 minute increments while you rest after a hunt.

Take me, for instance. I jack it to german fetish porn. 10 minutes, tops. Then back to the catacombs!

[Luntz]

[LNet]-You: "Internet detective shitlord is on the case"
[LNet]-GSIV:Thondalar: "I just said how"
[LNet]-You: "gonna solve this one, maybe then I will have some friends derp derp"
[LNet]-GSIV:Alastir: "I wish that was a real job"
[LNet]-You: "we all know you do"
[LNet]-GSIV:Cantillon: "Wage slave is perfectly valid, I think Thondalar is drunk"
[LNet]-You: "fucking looooser lmao"

[Haldrik]

Stepping down and being rekt into submission are two different things.

i fucking Loled.

[Enuch]

Well we all need a hobby outside our hobby of GS.

Agreed, this and GS suffice. According to my wife chronic masturbation isn't a hobby it's a "sickness" so I'll keep to those two aforementioned hoodies.

[Gelston]

Agreed, this and GS suffice. According to my wife chronic masturbation isn't a hobby it's a "sickness" so I'll keep to those two aforementioned hoodies.

Your wife sucks.

[Androidpk]

Gelston catches.

[Parkbandit]

Agreed, this and GS suffice. According to my wife chronic masturbation isn't a hobby it's a "sickness" so I'll keep to those two aforementioned hoodies.

Tell us more about your wife's chronic masturbation...

[Some Rogue]

Your wife sucks.

Obviously not enough...