Good Speech

[Tisket]

I never start political threads so here, a political thread.

Nicely done, Trump.

[Tgo01]

I agree. He's #mypresident!

[Tisket]

I can just feel the disappointment that Democrats must be feeling right now. You know they were hoping he'd go off the rails.

[Gelston]

The democrats aren't disappointed. They are saying the media is spinning it to make it a good speech and that it was actually horrible. Somehow the media spins live events.

[Tisket]

lol

[Tisket]

Apparently I lied in the OP. I have started threads in the Politics folder. Just not very often.

[Tgo01]

You know they were hoping he'd go off the rails.

I didn't want him to go off the rails but I was totally expecting it. I was actually very surprised by how well focused this speech was, compared to other Trump speeches.

He gave a really good speech. I think he could have done without specifically calling Obamacare a failure or however he referenced it, that just seemed needlessly antagonizing. But overall I think he did really well.

[Gelston]

I'm friends with Eliaku on FB, he posted this: "Media spinning Trumps speech as a success. He sounded defeated and like he's not drinking his own Kool-aide."

People from California man...

[Tisket]

Someone should introduce Eliaku to time3fun. They'd make the most paranoid, frightened, and blinkered babies together.

[Gelston]

They probably already know eachother. I think he still plays.

[Androidpk]

I agree. He's #mypresident!

Damn white people!

[Drunken Durfin]

I'm sorry, Tisket, I don't agree with you. It was not a good speech.

It was a damn good speech.

[Tisket]

I never mind when DD disagrees with me.

[Androidpk]

I never disagree with DDs.

[Tisket]

lol

[Parkbandit]

I can just feel the disappointment that Democrats must be feeling right now. You know they were hoping he'd go off the rails.

It really was a well crafted speech. He's not a very gifted speaker, but I think he did a great job last night.

The Democrats didn't do themselves any favors last night. I honestly hope they continue this behavior, Trump will be a shoe in for 8 years.

[ClydeR]

I was surprised by how much time he devoted to Ryan Owens, especially after Trump has been disavowing responsibility for the mission.


“This was a mission that was started before I got here,” Trump told Fox News in an interview from the White House broadcast Tuesday. “This was something that was, you know, just — they wanted to do. And they came to see me. They explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who are very respected.”

Trump veered into effusive praise for his generals, calling them “the most respected that we’ve had in many decades” before pinning Owens’ death on the them.

“They lost Ryan,” the president said.

More... (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-yemen-raid-fatality-235517)


From the speech..


We are blessed to be joined tonight by Carryn Owens, the widow of U.S. Navy special operator, Senior Chief William “Ryan” Owens. Ryan died as he lived, a warrior and a hero, battling against terrorism and securing our nation.

(APPLAUSE)

I just spoke to our great General [Jim] Mattis just now who reconfirmed that, and I quote, “Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemy.”

Ryan’s legacy is etched into eternity. Thank you.

(APPLAUSE)

And Ryan is looking down right now. You know that. And he’s very happy, because I think he just broke a record.

(APPLAUSE)

For as the Bible teaches us, there is no greater act of love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. Ryan laid down his life for his friends, for his country and for our freedom. And we will never forget Ryan.

(APPLAUSE)

To those allies who wonder what kind of a friend America will be, look no further than the heroes who wear our uniform.

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/us/politics/trump-congress-video-transcript.html)

[Neveragain]

Democrats did a good job handing Republican candidates ammunition for the midterms. Had to change the channel after seeing DWS, truly deplorable behavior.

[Trump]

Thanks everyone! I have the best speeches! Let me tell yah. Economy is up, stock market breaking records left and right, illegal criminals being booted, and millions of jobs from infrastructure including the great wall , we're gonna win and win bigley.

I just need the Democrats to get with the program and stop dragging this country down with lies and bitterness. Let's make America great again!

[time4fun]

I love it. Trump manages to not sound insane for 90 minutes, and everyone is cheering.

Low bar anyone?

[Neveragain]

I love it. Trump manages to not sound insane for 90 minutes, and everyone is cheering.

Low bar anyone?

Not nearly low a bar as you set for your Democrat party. The wicked witches of the east and west took incarnate form through Nancy "the mad hatter" Pelosi and Debby "I fixed the Democrat primaries" Wasserman Schultz.

Not standing for the wife of a fallen soldier is about as fucked up as it gets.

[Tenlaar]

Not standing for the wife of a fallen soldier is about as fucked up as it gets.


Donald Trump's first reaction to Army father Khizr Khan's passionate Democratic National Convention speech was to question Khan's wife's silence, implying Ghazala Khan wasn't allowed to speak during the speech because she is Muslim.

"If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me, but plenty of people have written that she was extremely quiet, and it looked like she had nothing to say," Trump told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos in an interview published Saturday.

...

Trump rebutted Khan, telling Stephanopoulos that he has made sacrifices through his success as a businessman. He also questioned if Khan wrote his own speech, asking, "Who wrote that? Did Hillary's scriptwriters write it?"

The Clinton campaign had offered the services of a speechwriter, but according to Politico, Khan declined, opting to write his address himself.

Trump said, "I think I've made a lot of sacrifices. I work very, very hard. I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I've had tremendous success. I think I've done a lot."

In an interview with Maureen Dowd of The New York Times on Friday night, Trump's only response to Khan's speech was simply: "I'd like to hear his wife say something."


The families of 17 service members who died fighting for the U.S. demanded an apology from Donald Trump on Monday, accusing him of "cheapening the sacrifice made by those we lost."

They said the Republican presidential nominee's suggestion that the Muslim mother of a U.S. soldier who died in Iraq had not "been allowed" to speak at the Democratic National Convention was akin to "attacking us."

A letter signed by the Gold Star families — the term for those who have lost loved ones during military service — also called Trump's comments "repugnant, and personally offensive."

"When you question a mother's pain, by implying that her religion, not her grief, kept her from addressing an arena of people, you are attacking us," the letter added. "When you say your job building buildings is akin to our sacrifice, you are attacking our sacrifice."

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[Kembal]

I listened to the speech (I'd rather hunt the Rift than pay full attention), and my main thought was - if he keeps this up, he's probably President til 2020, at the very least. (my working theory is that he'll serve out at least a full term unless his approval rating goes into the 20s)

Did think he was using Owens as a shield to prevent investigation of the decision to order the raid in the first place, but it was effective.

[Neveragain]

k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV-QblDLi_o

Want to deflect? K.

[Tgo01]

I love it. Trump manages to not sound insane for 90 minutes, and everyone is cheering.

Low bar anyone?

Someone sounds bitter we have a white man in office.

[Tgo01]

I listened to the speech (I'd rather hunt the Rift than pay full attention), and my main thought was - if he keeps this up, he's probably President til 2020, at the very least.

Why wouldn't he be president until at least 2020? You're not buying into the fake news that he'll be impeached are you?

[Ravenwood]

I love it. Trump manages to not sound insane for 90 minutes, and everyone is cheering.

Low bar anyone?


Overweening arrogance combined with false superiority seems to be a common trait of many liberals....especially you.

You arent the penultimate......regressive and degenerate is much closer to the truth. Thats why libs keep lowering the bar, and handing out trophies just for participating. ......its the only way you can hope to compete.

[Parkbandit]

I love it. Trump manages to not sound insane for 90 minutes, and everyone is cheering.

Low bar anyone?

The low bar was some of the Democrats acting like petulant little children that didn't get their way.

I'm sure you didn't see that.. since they acted like you.

[Tenlaar]

Want to deflect? K.

I agree that Clinton seems like an awful person. Do you believe that what Trump said was worse than not standing up when some other people stood up?

[Fortybox]

I love it. Trump manages to not sound insane for 90 minutes, and everyone is cheering.

Low bar anyone?

You're such an idiot. Your behavior is the exact reason Trump was elected. You and your dumb party are completely ignorant as to how you come across.

[Neveragain]

I agree that Clinton seems like an awful person. Do you believe that what Trump said was worse than not standing up when some other people stood up?

In the context of the whole exchange, no.

Khan stood up using his sons loss to lambaste Trump during a DNC speech for a presidential race and then hoisted Clinton as some champion for our service men and women. Khan opened himself and his family to criticism, not for bashing Trump, but for not holding his same standards towards Clinton.

What happened last night was in our House of Congress, it was not on the political campaign trail. The Democrats refused to set aside political differences to honor the wife of a fallen soldier, period.

[time4fun]

You're such an idiot. Your behavior is the exact reason Trump was elected. You and your dumb party are completely ignorant as to how you come across.

Um, he lost by almost 3 million votes.

He was elected on the equivalent of an electoral technicality.

And let me point out that he has record low approval numbers right now- he's the only President in modern US history to be underwater in his approval ratings in the first month. He's threatened to invade an allied country, hung up on another allied country, caused an international incident with his grossly unconstitutional travel ban, is under investigation for colluding with Russia to win the election, has had a record number of appointees drop out of the process for ethics concerns, hasn't come even close to staffing his administration yet, and has proposed a $15 billion wall that no one wants.

So let's stop pretending like everything is all fun and roses. Most of the country doesn't like him (and that number rarely gets higher as time goes on for Presidents), and they're largely terrified by him. So no, having a good 90 minutes doesn't make everything okay.

[Tgo01]

Um, he lost by almost 3 million votes.

You clearly don't know how elections work. Trump won by 77 electoral votes.


He was elected on the equivalent of an electoral technicality.

That's a funny way of saying "He won by securing enough votes to be elected president" but okay.


and has proposed a $15 billion wall that no one wants.

I want it. Might want to stop speaking for me. Thanks. And yes, to save you the trouble it's because I'm racist.


So let's stop pretending like everything is all fun and roses.

Nobody is suggesting that. People are just suggesting you and your party are a bunch of crybabies.

Oh right! For the more sensitive folks, I mean SOME Democrats are ACTING like crybabies, I don't think they are literally infants. Although I wouldn't be surprised if some of them still shit their pants on a regular basis.

[Androidpk]

Um, he lost by almost 3 million votes.

He was elected on the equivalent of an electoral technicality.

And let me point out that he has record low approval numbers right now- he's the only President in modern US history to be underwater in his approval ratings in the first month. He's threatened to invade an allied country, hung up on another allied country, caused an international incident with his grossly unconstitutional travel ban, is under investigation for colluding with Russia to win the election, has had a record number of appointees drop out of the process for ethics concerns, hasn't come even close to staffing his administration yet, and has proposed a $15 billion wall that no one wants.

So let's stop pretending like everything is all fun and roses. Most of the country doesn't like him (and that number rarely gets higher as time goes on for Presidents), and they're largely terrified by him. So no, having a good 90 minutes doesn't make everything okay.

Just go away already.

[Androidpk]

funny to see libs slam the media for praising Trump's speech

[Tgo01]

funny to see libs slam the media for praising Trump's speech

That's the problem when a person or organization caters to the left, they inevitably find out that going against their narrative just once means they too are racist bigots.

I mean shit, look at Lady Gaga and the Superbowl half time show. She's a racist because she didn't get up on stage and call everyone else a racist.

[Gelston]

Um, he lost by almost 3 million votes.

He was elected on the equivalent of an electoral technicality.


There was no "technicality". He won exactly how the system is setup. How many times do we have to tell you that the popular vote means absolutely nothing? At the beginning, some states didn't even have people vote, just electors. So, the people that matter, the electors, voted for him. He won the Electoral popular vote, the one that actual matters.

[Androidpk]

Finished watching the speech. Some of it was meh but overall I think he did a very good job and some parts of the speech were even a tad inspiring. Sad to see the huge majority of democrats there act like petulant little kids. Not standing for the SEALs wife was incredibly tasteless.

[Parkbandit]

Um, he lost by almost 3 million votes.

He was elected on the equivalent of an electoral technicality.

You really know so little about how elections are won in this country.. it's staggering how you bitterly cling to "B-b-b-but she won by 3 million votes! WHY ISN'T SHE PRESIDENT!?!?!?"


And let me point out that he has record low approval numbers right now- he's the only President in modern US history to be underwater in his approval ratings in the first month. He's threatened to invade an allied country, hung up on another allied country, caused an international incident with his grossly unconstitutional travel ban, is under investigation for colluding with Russia to win the election, has had a record number of appointees drop out of the process for ethics concerns, hasn't come even close to staffing his administration yet, and has proposed a $15 billion wall that no one wants.

No one wants the wall? You really need to come up and get out of your California bubble of stupidity. That's one of the main reasons he was elected.


So let's stop pretending like everything is all fun and roses. Most of the country doesn't like him (and that number rarely gets higher as time goes on for Presidents), and they're largely terrified by him. So no, having a good 90 minutes doesn't make everything okay.

OMG U R TERRIFIED OF HIM!?

You're a fucking joke.

[Tenlaar]

The Democrats refused to set aside political differences to honor the wife of a fallen soldier, period.

And Trump refused to be a big enough man to not take a jab at the religion of a fallen soldier's parents and imply that his mother was not allowed to speak because of the very ideology that their son died fighting. I certainly see that as much more fucked up than not moving from a sitting position to a standing one.

[Tgo01]

And Trump refused to be a big enough man to not take a jab at the religion of a fallen soldier's parents and imply that his mother was not allowed to speak because of the very ideology that their son died fighting. I certainly see that as much more fucked up than not moving from a sitting position to a standing one.

Trump won.

[rolfard]

I felt horrible watching trump recite how the raid was "successful" as the fallen soldiers wife grieved. I am grateful for all of the people who serve our nation in armed forces and lay down their lives, but it was embarrassing to watch.

[Tenlaar]

Trump won.

Do you think that this actually bothers anybody?

[Tgo01]

I felt horrible watching trump recite how the raid was "successful" as the fallen soldiers wife grieved. I am grateful for all of the people who serve our nation in armed forces and lay down their lives, but it was embarrassing to watch.

What was wrong with Trump saying that? I think Trump was trying to tell the widow that her husband's sacrifice was not for nothing, his death had purpose.

Democrats want to insist the man died for nothing so his death means nothing. I think Trump's approach was the better one. I suppose he could have just said how sorry he was for the loss and went golfing 20 minutes later.

[Tgo01]

Do you think that this actually bothers anybody?

Have you read time4fun's posts? She's still holding onto hope that the supreme court is going to declare Hillary the winner because she "won" the popular vote.

[tyrant-201]

What was wrong with Trump saying that? I think Trump was trying to tell the widow that her husband's sacrifice was not for nothing, his death had purpose.

Democrats want to insist the man died for nothing so his death means nothing. I think Trump's approach was the better one. I suppose he could have just said how sorry he was for the loss and went golfing 20 minutes later.

I'd hardly call any raid which kills scores of civilians, let alone civilian children, successful.

Soldiers take that risk, and while it was tragic that our seal died, it's the risk they take when they sign up.

What was more striking is Trump using the soldier's wife as a political prop. Conservatives would have been screaming if Obama had done this.

[Parkbandit]

I'd hardly call any raid which kills scores of civilians, let alone civilian children, successful.

Soldiers take that risk, and while it was tragic that our seal died, it's the risk they take when they sign up.

What was more striking is Trump using the soldier's wife as a political prop. Conservatives would have been screaming if Obama had done this.

LOL

[Tgo01]

I'd hardly call any raid which kills scores of civilians, let alone civilian children, successful.

Scores of civilians? Please refrain from engaging in hyperbole; if PC has taught me anything it's that hyperbole automatically makes you Hitler.

Second of all the US hasn't released the official figures yet. Wouldn't be the first time people on the ground included militants actively shooting at US soldiers as civilians.

Lastly, a civilian death automatically means the raid was a failure? So I guess considering the thousands of civilians Obama killed (after he already redefined what "civilian" meant so he can lower his death count even more) then that means Obama's entire 8 years in office was laced with nothing but failure right? This isn't a "But Obama!" moment, I just want to make sure we're on the same page here. Or is it different when civilians are killed by a Democrat?


What was more striking is Trump using the soldier's wife as a political prop. Conservatives would have been screaming if Obama had done this.

I would much rather Trump invite the soldier's family to DC to be honored in front of all of Congress and before millions of people on TV and assure her that he will never be forgotten than have a president give a two minute interview on TV then immediately rip his suit off to reveal his golf clothes so he can go hang out with celebs on the golf course.

[tyrant-201]

Scores of civilians? Please refrain from engaging in hyperbole; if PC has taught me anything it's that hyperbole automatically makes you Hitler.

Second of all the US hasn't released the official figures yet. Wouldn't be the first time people on the ground included militants actively shooting at US soldiers as civilians.

Lastly, a civilian death automatically means the raid was a failure? So I guess considering the thousands of civilians Obama killed (after he already redefined what "civilian" meant so he can lower his death count even more) then that means Obama's entire 8 years in office was laced with nothing but failure right? This isn't a "But Obama!" moment, I just want to make sure we're on the same page here. Or is it different when civilians are killed by a Democrat?



I would much rather Trump invite the soldier's family to DC to be honored in front of all of Congress and before millions of people on TV and assure her that he will never be forgotten than have a president give a two minute interview on TV then immediately rip his suit off to reveal his golf clothes so he can go hang out with celebs on the golf course.

I'm not a fan of Obama, namely because of his indiscriminate drone campaign.

So on the latter point, you are okay with him using her as a political prop. How about taking responsibility for the failure of the raid?

Yes, many civilians did die.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/01/what-donald-trump-left-out-about-successful-yemen-/
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[tyrant-201]

LOL

Full of substance as usual. Don't forget to take your blood pressure medicine old fella.

[Androidpk]

Republican's accuse Democrats of using Khan family as a political prop.

Democrats accuse Republicans of using Owens family as a political prop.

The same shitty bickering just goes back and forth with neither side realizing how fucking stupid they're acting.

[tyrant-201]

Republican's accuse Democrats of using Khan family as a political prop.

Democrats accuse Republicans of using Owens family as a political prop.

The same shitty bickering just goes back and forth with neither side realizing how fucking stupid they're acting.

How about if we acknowledge they're both stupid? I don't see any Dems in power currently, though.

The standard around here seems to be if you're against Trump, you supported Hillary and Obummer. Not the case for me.

[Tgo01]

So on the latter point, you are okay with him using her as a political prop.

I don't think the president honoring her or her husband during a speech before congress is "using her as a political prop." I think there is a big difference between a politician merely name dropping someone killed by guns in an effort to push through their gun control legislation and taking time out of a speech to honor the family of a fallen soldier. I didn't bitch when Obama did this during his speeches before congress, I ain't gonna bitch now.


How about taking responsibility for the failure of the raid?

But Trump said it was a success!!111


Yes, many civilians did die.

I didn't say civilians didn't die, I said the US government has not released the numbers from their investigations yet, and even according to your own link the estimates from the ground isn't "scores", Adolf.

I also think context is important here. People keep repeating this as if the entire mission revolved around deploying tanks in the center of town with a squadron of soldiers firing indiscriminately. From what I have gathered in between all of the bullshit is the terrorists were somehow tipped off about the raid and attacked the American squad, which in turn called for backup and the two sides got into a fire fight. This is where the civilians died. I'm not trying to downplay civilians dying but I think putting things into context doesn't make it sound quite as bad as Democrats want to make it sound. I mean what was the alternative, our soldiers not asking for backup or just ignoring the pleas for help so we can then later blame the entire incident on a YouTube video?

[Neveragain]

And Trump refused to be a big enough man to not take a jab at the religion of a fallen soldier's parents and imply that his mother was not allowed to speak because of the very ideology that their son died fighting. I certainly see that as much more fucked up than not moving from a sitting position to a standing one.

I always enjoy when the left stands up for Islam as if it is a world wide leader in human rights but the moment a Christian practices their belief's they lose their minds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYzm9Uo5TMU

[Parkbandit]

Full of substance as usual. Don't forget to take your blood pressure medicine old fella.

Still more contributing than any post you've ever made.

Don't forget to have your mommy change your shitty diaper, little fella.

[Parkbandit]

The standard around here seems to be if you're against Trump, you supported Hillary and Obummer. Not the case for me.

LOL

[Androidpk]

How about if we acknowledge they're both stupid?

yes

[Thondalar]

There was no "technicality". He won exactly how the system is setup. How many times do we have to tell you that the popular vote means absolutely nothing? At the beginning, some states didn't even have people vote, just electors. So, the people that matter, the electors, voted for him. He won the Electoral popular vote, the one that actual matters.

Vishra couldn't bring herself to admit in words that the States elect the President, not the people directly, the other night on Lnet...she literally could not bring herself to state a basic fact that we teach 10th graders...but instead tried to twist it into a semantics argument because I said "true Democracy" instead of "Direct Democracy"...and rode that all the way to log out...

You just can't argue with that.

[tyrant-201]

Still more contributing than any post you've ever made.

Don't forget to have your mommy change your shitty diaper, little fella.

If vitriol and foaming at the mouth counts for something, you're certainly winning the PC.

[Fortybox]

Um, he lost by almost 3 million votes.

He was elected on the equivalent of an electoral technicality.

And let me point out that he has record low approval numbers right now- he's the only President in modern US history to be underwater in his approval ratings in the first month. He's threatened to invade an allied country, hung up on another allied country, caused an international incident with his grossly unconstitutional travel ban, is under investigation for colluding with Russia to win the election, has had a record number of appointees drop out of the process for ethics concerns, hasn't come even close to staffing his administration yet, and has proposed a $15 billion wall that no one wants.

So let's stop pretending like everything is all fun and roses. Most of the country doesn't like him (and that number rarely gets higher as time goes on for Presidents), and they're largely terrified by him. So no, having a good 90 minutes doesn't make everything okay.

Sometimes I wonder if you are just trolling. The 3m vote argument is old. If you want to be the annoying brat kid who throws the game pieces up then it only further proves my point that you are just blind to your actions. Your constant regurgitation of this here and on LNET is annoying.

Who cares about the numbers. The numbers were saying Clinton would win. They were wrong and you are wrong.

The best thing you could do is just shut up. Every time you open your mouth you don't help your side.

[Androidpk]

If vitriol and foaming at the mouth counts for something, you're certainly winning the PC.

How I generally picture pb when he posts

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/062010/1275905143_raging-midget.gif

[Thondalar]

Back to the OP, this was Trump's best speech by far, as President. The stuff about the soldier's wife aside, a lot of Dems are going to have a lot to answer for from their far-left base, the most vocal part...

Elizabeth Warren gave Trump a standing ovation more than once. What?

[tyrant-201]

I don't think the president honoring her or her husband during a speech before congress is "using her as a political prop." I think there is a big difference between a politician merely name dropping someone killed by guns in an effort to push through their gun control legislation and taking time out of a speech to honor the family of a fallen soldier. I didn't bitch when Obama did this during his speeches before congress, I ain't gonna bitch now.



But Trump said it was a success!!111



I didn't say civilians didn't die, I said the US government has not released the numbers from their investigations yet, and even according to your own link the estimates from the ground isn't "scores", Adolf.

I also think context is important here. People keep repeating this as if the entire mission revolved around deploying tanks in the center of town with a squadron of soldiers firing indiscriminately. From what I have gathered in between all of the bullshit is the terrorists were somehow tipped off about the raid and attacked the American squad, which in turn called for backup and the two sides got into a fire fight. This is where the civilians died. I'm not trying to downplay civilians dying but I think putting things into context doesn't make it sound quite as bad as Democrats want to make it sound. I mean what was the alternative, our soldiers not asking for backup or just ignoring the pleas for help so we can then later blame the entire incident on a YouTube video?

I used a poor choice of word in saying "scores". We can still admit that it was a lot. The Adolf comment was cute though. No more co-opting leftist terms for your ilk!

Joking aside, I enjoyed your response and can see your point of view.

[Fortybox]

I'd hardly call any raid which kills scores of civilians, let alone civilian children, successful.

Soldiers take that risk, and while it was tragic that our seal died, it's the risk they take when they sign up.

What was more striking is Trump using the soldier's wife as a political prop. Conservatives would have been screaming if Obama had done this.

The audience clapped for almost 3 minutes. That wasn't faked.

[tyrant-201]

The audience clapped for almost 3 minutes. That wasn't faked.

I mean, I would have clapped too. It would have been a disgrace and disrespectful not to clap for her and her husband who gave his life for this country.

Doesn't mean Trump should have ordered the raid.

[Thondalar]

I mean, I would have clapped too. It would have been a disgrace and disrespectful not to clap for her and her husband who gave his life for this country.

Doesn't mean Trump should have ordered the raid.

Its super easy for us, sitting here with no intel of our own, to play armchair Commander-in-Chief and make assumptions about what we may or may not have done.

Nothing is ever that easy. You know this.

[Fortybox]

I mean, I would have clapped too. It would have been a disgrace and disrespectful not to clap for her and her husband who gave his life for this country.

Doesn't mean Trump should have ordered the raid.

I think it came across as genuine. It's obvious that Trump was using the various examples as points in his speech. That's political in nature but I think it was for a good reason. Sometimes showing examples is the best way to get your point across. He did it in the right way IMO.

[Androidpk]

Just because something bad happens on a military raid doesn't mean it shouldn't have been ordered in the first place. Things can and will go wrong even when plans are perfectly executed.

[Thondalar]

I think it came across as genuine. It's obvious that Trump was using the various examples as points in his speech. That's political in nature but I think it was for a good reason. Sometimes showing examples is the best way to get your point across. He did it in the right way IMO.

The fact that even MSNBC anchors are having a hard time finding fault with his speech, and have to focus on that one little bit of it, speaks volumes.

[Thondalar]

Just because something bad happens on a military raid doesn't mean it shouldn't have been ordered in the first place. Things can and will go wrong even when plans are perfectly executed.

Even something as well-planned as the Bin Laden raid didn't go off without a hitch. We recovered a bit better from that one, but...shit happens. To steal a line from Mythbusters that I think is applicable to any military action...Failure is ALWAYS an option.

[Destrier]

I mean, I would have clapped too. It would have been a disgrace and disrespectful not to clap for her and her husband who gave his life for this country.

Doesn't mean Trump should have ordered the raid.

Having spent 25 years in service before I retired and having lost friends and team mates. The POTUS honored her husband and her, but I took it as a much deeper sign of respect to all those we have lost, and will loose in the future. This was utterly lacking the last 8 years IMO.

Was a good speech over all.

[Androidpk]

Even something as well-planned as the Bin Laden raid didn't go off without a hitch. We recovered a bit better from that one, but...shit happens. To steal a line from Mythbusters that I think is applicable to any military action...Failure is ALWAYS an option.

No loss of life (for US troops) in the Bin Laden raid but we still lost highly sensitive military technology to China.

[Thondalar]

Having spent 25 years in service before I retired and having lost friends and team mates. The POTUS honored her husband and her, but I took it as a much deeper sign of respect to all those we have lost, and will loose in the future. This was utterly lacking the last 8 years IMO.

Was a good speech over all.

This.

[Thondalar]

No loss of life (for US troops) in the Bin Laden raid but we still lost highly sensitive military technology to China.

Exactly my point. By all accounts we spent months planning that, and it still didn't work out as we planned.

Shit. Happens.

[Viekn]

I don't think President Trump is the greatest at recognizing the sacrifices our military makes for us. I also wouldn't give President Obama the best grade at this either. I've never served in the military, but I would imagine the commitment and sacrifice is hard for any civilian without any military service to truly understand and for a lot of people to truly appreciate adequately. I do remember when there was a news report that military leaders mentioned that they may decide not to follow any orders issued by Trump. I forget the specific reasons they cited, but Trump's response was: If I say it they're going to do it. That's paraphrasing obviously. But it struck me at the time that he didn't really understand how true leadership works. As a member of the military, you obviously have to weigh heavily the orders of your commander in chief. But a true leader would understand it takes leading by example for someone else to truly follow you.

[Ravenwood]

Just because something bad happens on a military raid doesn't mean it shouldn't have been ordered in the first place. Things can and will go wrong even when plans are perfectly executed.

And lets not forget that inaction on this countries part can be FAR more dangerous.

Case in point; Bill Clinton crying crocodile tears at the death of those on the U.S.S Cole. A lot of us watched as he promised to punish those responsible and did NOTHING.

Did that embolden those who planned the 9-11 attacks? I think so. And Im not alone in that assumption either.

[Ravenwood]

Having spent 25 years in service before I retired and having lost friends and team mates. The POTUS honored her husband and her, but I took it as a much deeper sign of respect to all those we have lost, and will loose in the future. This was utterly lacking the last 8 years IMO.

Was a good speech over all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-puts-marines-on-umbrella-duty-irking-conservatives/2013/05/17/cad75a5a-bf0f-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html?utm_term=.99473a5be4f5

[Kembal]

Why wouldn't he be president until at least 2020? You're not buying into the fake news that he'll be impeached are you?

The GOP will toss him overboard if his approval ratings sink into the 20s or below and stay there. They'd rather have Pence any day of the week. (I'm presuming you read the sentence after the one you quoted from my post.)

[Androidpk]

The GOP will toss him overboard if his approval ratings sink into the 20s or below and stay there. They'd rather have Pence any day of the week. (I'm presuming you read the sentence after the one you quoted from my post.)

Wishful thinking

[Tgo01]

The GOP will toss him overboard if his approval ratings sink into the 20s or below and stay there. They'd rather have Pence any day of the week. (I'm presuming you read the sentence after the one you quoted from my post.)

Republicans aren't going to impeach him because his numbers are dropping. That would be an even worse precedent than Democrats wanting to impeach him because he says mean things.

[Kembal]

Wishful thinking

This is why I said he's probably President til 2020. If he keeps the same tone as that speech, his approval ratings will never get that low.

[Kembal]

Republicans aren't going to impeach him because his numbers are dropping. That would be an even worse precedent than Democrats wanting to impeach him because he says mean things.

They can easily make a case that he's violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution as the pretext for the impeachment - one diplomatic soiree at his hotel in DC (I think the Kuwaiti Embassy already had one?) puts him in violation. They're just not going to bother unless they think their own political careers are threatened. A 20% approval rating will get them thinking in that direction.

As I said in my first post though (and again just now), if he keeps the tone of this speech, his approval rating will never get that low.

[Thondalar]

They can easily make a case that he's violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution as the pretext for the impeachment - one diplomatic soiree at his hotel in DC (I think the Kuwaiti Embassy already had one?) puts him in violation. They're just not going to bother unless they think their own political careers are threatened. A 20% approval rating will get them thinking in that direction.

As I said in my first post though (and again just now), if he keeps the tone of this speech, his approval rating will never get that low.

The Emoluments Clause issue has already been settled. Diplomats staying at "his" hotel doesn't violate that.

[tyrant-201]

The Emoluments Clause issue has already been settled. Diplomats staying at "his" hotel doesn't violate that.

Settled by whom?

It still is "his" hotel.

Has it been settled that "his" properties in New York and Florida should charge the secret service/defense department for employees' lodgings?

[Geijon Khyree]

Only proves he can read.

[Geijon Khyree]

First news item other than his speech was that he repealed the January mandate to go into effect in December that people on the social security mental illness roles (75,000) people wouldn't be able to get guns. It was a Sandy Hook mechanism.

Gun rights doh, right.

[Geijon Khyree]

Oh shit. Sessions on fire.

[Tgo01]

Gun rights doh, right.

Yeah I don't think our constitutional rights should be denied so easily. I guess I'm silly like that.

[Gelston]

Rofl, none of them want to admit it was good. They just want to say "the media is spinning it!" or "only proves he can read!"

[drauz]

First news item other than his speech was that he repealed the January mandate to go into effect in December that people on the social security mental illness roles (75,000) people wouldn't be able to get guns. It was a Sandy Hook mechanism.

Gun rights doh, right.

Even the ACLU was against it...

[Geijon Khyree]

Rofl, none of them want to admit it was good. They just want to say "the media is spinning it!" or "only proves he can read!"

The suits love him still. Dow at 21,000. Rich getting rich off the poor who can't buy stock basically. It's the baller club.

He's a douchbag. I aint Von Jones.

[Geijon Khyree]

Even the ACLU was against it...

A lot of groups were against it because it made mental illness look violent and there is a subconscious of rights and law that view this as a touchy subject, but his treatment of minorities and illegals proves it's pandering. Mental illness is scary. He didn't do it for that. He did it due to republican agendas, federal regulations and most importantly, gun pressure.

The gun people are insane. The 2nd amendment reads:


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Nobody gives crazy people guns. It says regulated in the god damn writing of the amendment.

[Tgo01]

A lot of groups were against it because it made mental illness look violent and there is a subconscious of rights and law that view this as a touchy subject, but his treatment of minorities and illegals proves it's pandering. Mental illness is scary. He didn't do it for that. He did it due to republican agendas, federal regulations and most importantly, gun pressure.

The gun people are insane. The 2nd amendment reads:



Nobody gives crazy people guns. It says regulated in the god damn writing of the amendment.

You sound racist against the differently abled.

[Androidpk]

You sound racist against the differently abled.

You mean he sounds like a retardist.

[drauz]

A lot of groups were against it because it made mental illness look violent and there is a subconscious of rights and law that view this as a touchy subject, but his treatment of minorities and illegals proves it's pandering. Mental illness is scary. He didn't do it for that. He did it due to republican agendas, federal regulations and most importantly, gun pressure.

The gun people are insane. The 2nd amendment reads:



Nobody gives crazy people guns. It says regulated in the god damn writing of the amendment.

I don't care why he did it, it was the right thing to do no matter what his reason was. The Supreme Court has already interpreted the 2nd amendment.

In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms.

In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Court clarified its earlier decisions that limited the amendment's impact to a restriction on the federal government, expressly holding that the Fourteenth Amendment applies the Second Amendment to state and local governments to the same extent that the Second Amendment applies to the federal government.

In Caetano v. Massachusetts (2016), the Supreme Court reiterated its earlier rulings that "the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" and that its protection is not limited to "only those weapons useful in warfare".

This last one in making a lot of states remove their ban on stun guns.

[Neveragain]

A lot of groups were against it because it made mental illness look violent and there is a subconscious of rights and law that view this as a touchy subject, but his treatment of minorities and illegals proves it's pandering. Mental illness is scary. He didn't do it for that. He did it due to republican agendas, federal regulations and most importantly, gun pressure.

The gun people are insane. The 2nd amendment reads:



Nobody gives crazy people guns. It says regulated in the god damn writing of the amendment.

Who gets to define crazy? A panel of pseudo-scientists who are influenced by drug manufacturers that have yet to discover a scientific clue of mental illness other than behavioral charts they come up with?

The exponential growth of psychoactive drugs over the decades to treat "mental illness" suggests that the drugs are causing the mental disorders. There has been a 600 percent increase (since Thorazine was introduced in the U.S. in the mid-1950s) in the total and permanent disabilities of millions of psychiatric drug-takers.

Simply saying "you're crazy" is not enough evidence to strip a person of their right to self defense, this is a slippery slope towards thought crime.

[Androidpk]

Who gets to define crazy?

Non-crazy people, duh.

[drauz]

Who gets to define crazy?

Merriam-Webster

[Geijon Khyree]

Who gets to define crazy? A panel of pseudo-scientists who are influenced by drug manufacturers that have yet to discover a scientific clue of mental illness other than behavioral charts they come up with?

The exponential growth of psychoactive drugs over the decades to treat "mental illness" suggests that the drugs are causing the mental disorders. There has been a 600 percent increase (since Thorazine was introduced in the U.S. in the mid-1950s) in the total and permanent disabilities of millions of psychiatric drug-takers.

Simply saying "you're crazy" is not enough evidence to strip a person of their right to self defense, this is a slippery slope towards thought crime.

Medical specialists over-prescribe drugs for sure, but think back to Pre-K, gradeschool, high school and early adulthood and you know well who should have a gun or not. A lot of them are on the social security for mental illness roster because they can't function.

I don't want my kids shot by easily accessable guns. Europe doesn't even allow weapons so this far-right slant on weapons is seemingly a recent phenomenon. A lot of you are some far-right motherfuckers though so lay on.

[Neveragain]

Medical specialists over-prescribe drugs for sure, but think back to Pre-K, gradeschool, high school and early adulthood and you know well who should have a gun or not. A lot of them are on the social security for mental illness roster because they can't function.

I don't want my kids shot by easily accessable guns. Europe doesn't even allow weapons so this far-rIf the iight slant on weapons is seemingly a recent phenomenon. A lot of you are some far-right motherfuckers though so lay on.

Percent of US population using psychiatric drugs:

1950's: 5% (7.6 million)

2013: 17% (52 million)

7% of US children are prescribed psychiatric drugs

If the idea of the "science" is to cure a disease, these numbers suggest they are doing the opposite of science. Your reply also shows that you believe there should be thought crime legislation, because you know, "You know well who should have a gun" without a crime ever being committed. With that standard those of us who believe transexual's (a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex.) have a mental disorder and should have their second amendment rights stripped.

This should be very concerning when we have law makers running around that believe:

“But the fact is that, we’re trying to unite the country. Many of the president’s supporters are just not ready to accept the fact that their judgment might not have been so great in voting for him, and by the time the case is made, perhaps they’ll be ready to accept that." ~ Nancy Pelosi

P.S. Your fear of your children being shot dead by a mentally unstable child in school are completely irrational based on the statistics.

[drauz]

Medical specialists over-prescribe drugs for sure, but think back to Pre-K, gradeschool, high school and early adulthood and you know well who should have a gun or not. A lot of them are on the social security for mental illness roster because they can't function.

I don't want my kids shot by easily accessable guns. Europe doesn't even allow weapons so this far-right slant on weapons is seemingly a recent phenomenon. A lot of you are some far-right motherfuckers though so lay on.

Sounds like you want to move to Europe then.

[Destrier]

A lot of groups were against it because it made mental illness look violent and there is a subconscious of rights and law that view this as a touchy subject, but his treatment of minorities and illegals proves it's pandering. Mental illness is scary. He didn't do it for that. He did it due to republican agendas, federal regulations and most importantly, gun pressure.

The gun people are insane. The 2nd amendment reads:



Nobody gives crazy people guns. It says regulated in the god damn writing of the amendment.

The issue is to me, there was no means of appeal. Also, people that have severe injuries that makes doing many tasks we take for granted, and them having their spouse handle their finances, does not mean they should be denied their property and rights. Your assumption that this only applied to 'insane' is simply flat out wrong.

[Neveragain]

Non-crazy people, duh.


Merriam-Webster ~ Drauz

"The science of psychology has been far more successful on the negative than on the positive side... It has revealed to us much about man's shortcomings, his illnesses, his sins, but little about his potentialities, his virtues, his achievable aspirations, or his psychological health." ~ Abraham Maslow

[Tenlaar]

P.S. Your fear of your children being shot dead by a mentally unstable child in school are completely irrational based on the statistics.

P.S. So is your fear of Islamic Terrorism in America.

[Tenlaar]

I always enjoy when the left stands up for Islam as if it is a world wide leader in human rights but the moment a Christian practices their belief's they lose their minds.

I always enjoy it when you respond to a comment with something that has nothing whatsoever to do with what was said.

[Neveragain]

I always enjoy it when you respond to a comment with something that has nothing whatsoever to do with what was said.


P.S. So is your fear of Islamic Terrorism in America.

Kind of like what you did here? Nobody is suggesting that we take in a bunch of mentally ill foreigners. Though we are talking about bringing in people from countries that have stated for decades they want to destroy the United States.