Lies of the Trump Adminstration

[Back]

Press Secretary Sean Spicer Falsely Accuses Iran of Attacking U.S. Navy Vessel, an Act of War (https://theintercept.com/2017/02/02/press-secretary-sean-spicer-falsely-accuses-iran-of-attacking-u-s-navy-vessel-an-act-of-war/)


Sean Spicer asserted at Thursday’s press briefing that Iran had attacked a U.S. naval vessel, as part of his argument defending the administration’s bellicose announcement that Iran is “on notice.”

National Security Adviser Michael Flynn on Wednesday said he was “officially putting Iran on notice” following the country’s ballistic missile test and an attack on a Saudi naval vessel by Houthi rebels in Yemen (the Houthis are tenuously aligned with Iran’s government but are distinct from it).

The White House press corps wanted to know what being put “on notice” entailed, and Spicer responded by claiming that Iran’s government took actions against a U.S. naval vessel, which would be an act of war. “I think General Flynn was really clear yesterday that Iran has violated the Joint Resolution, that Iran’s additional hostile actions that it took against our Navy vessel are ones that we are very clear are not going to sit by and take,” he said. “I think that we will have further updates for you on those additional actions.”

Major Garrett of CBS News quietly corrected him, saying “a Saudi vessel,” and Spicer then responded almost inaudibly: “Sorry, thank you, yes a Saudi vessel. Yes, that’s right.” He did not in any way address his false claim that it was an Iranian attack, however.

These guys are itching for war.

[Back]

Kellyanne Conway on Bowling Green ‘massacre’: I meant ‘terrorists’




Kellyanne Conway, President Trump's former campaign manager and now an adviser in his administration, pushed back Friday against claims she defended the White House's refugee ban with an assertion that appears to be factually indefensible.

Appearing on MSNBC's Hardball TV program on Thursday night, Conway referred to the "Bowling Green massacre" as part of her attempt to justify Trump's temporary restrictions on refugees and nationals from seven Muslim-majority countries.

"I bet it’s brand new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre," Conway said

"Most people don’t know that because it didn’t get covered."


Either way, it seems likely that the incident Conway refers to didn't get covered in the way she initially described it because there is an overwhelming consensus that there was no massacre at all. In fact, her use of the phrase "Bowling Green massacre" suggests she came down with another case of the 'alternative facts.'

Two Iraqi men who lived in Bowling Green, Ky., were indicted in 2011 and are serving life sentences for using improvised explosive devices against U.S. soldiers in Iraq and also for attempting to send weapons and money to Al-Qaeda in Iraq for the purpose of killing U.S. soldiers. The Department of Justice says so — right here.

But there is no mention of anything that resembles — in any way — violent offenses that can be characterized, even informally, as a "massacre" or terrorist attack in Bowling Green.

[Taernath]

These guys are itching for war.


Totally not a red line, though.

[Back]

Drain the swamp? Nah, install your billionaire friends. Trump's cabinet picks: here are all of the appointments so far (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/09/donald-trump-administration-cabinet-picks-so-far)

Fight Wallstreet? Nah, scrap Dodd-Frank. Wall Street Is Even More Craven Than We Thought (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jamie-dimon-donald-trump_us_589670cce4b09bd304bbb417?)

Mexico will pay for the wall? Nope. The American taxpayer will. Can Trump Make Mexico Pay For The Wall? Not The Ways That He And The GOP Are Considering. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2017/01/31/can-trump-make-mexico-pay-for-the-wall/#771a76bc663c)

[Neveragain]

Press Secretary Sean Spicer Falsely Accuses Iran of Attacking U.S. Navy Vessel, an Act of War (https://theintercept.com/2017/02/02/press-secretary-sean-spicer-falsely-accuses-iran-of-attacking-u-s-navy-vessel-an-act-of-war/)



These guys are itching for war.

Those 100,000 bombs during the Obama administration were really just snowflakes falling from the sky.

The 2.4 million illegals Obama deported really didn't happen
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/31/u-s-immigrant-deportations-declined-in-2014-but-remain-near-record-high/

The Travel bans under Obama never happened, Libya wasn't destabilized, 9 trillion dollars wasn't pissed away, ISIS isn't a JV team, shovel read jobs..............

You guys are such sycophants.

[Wrathbringer]

Trump is the best thing to happen to this country in 30 years, Back. You watch too much tv.

Eta: your tears are delicious tho.

[Neveragain]

I could just imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth had a comedian belted out "you black bitch" on national television.

[Back]

“It’s gotten to a point where it’s not even being reported. And in many cases the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it. They have their reasons, and you understand that.” - Trump

Anderson Cooper Shuts Down The White House’s Terrorism List In Just 45 Seconds (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anderson-cooper-white-house-terrorism_us_5899937be4b09bd304bd5621?)


Anderson Cooper disproved the White House’s list of terrorist attacks it claimed the media underreported in the simplest way possible: By showing clips of his own coverage of those attacks.

“Not only did we cover many of attacks the White House released, we covered them heavily,” he said Monday night on “Anderson Cooper 360.” “I know because I was there on the ground reporting a number of them. ‘360’ was in Ottawa, Canada, October of 2014, [and] that’s on the list.”

Also on the manifesto was the 2015 mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, the 2015 terror attack in Paris, France, and the 2016 assault on a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida. All three of those stories, and many others on the list, dominated the news cycle for weeks. The Orlando incident even made news a few weeks ago after the widow of the attacker, Omar Mateen, was arrested over allegations of obstruction of justice, among other charges.

The list includes dozens of attacks that received extensive media coverage, some that authorities have said don’t appear to be connected to terrorism at all, and several that resulted in no deaths.

[Neveragain]

Anderson Cooper Shuts Down The White House’s Terrorism List In Just 45 Seconds (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anderson-cooper-white-house-terrorism_us_5899937be4b09bd304bd5621?)

I think it would be fun to watch AC go for a stroll in Yemen in some pink pajamas.

P.S. Did Troll King Trump just get the Media to start talking about the terrorist problem again?

[Methais]

Press Secretary Sean Spicer Falsely Accuses Iran of Attacking U.S. Navy Vessel, an Act of War (https://theintercept.com/2017/02/02/press-secretary-sean-spicer-falsely-accuses-iran-of-attacking-u-s-navy-vessel-an-act-of-war/)



These guys are itching for war.

Obama was the first president ever to be at war for every single day of his time in office.

Can't blame that on Bush, since Obama started even more wars.

I wonder where Back's post complaining about Obama lies is.

Aha, found it.

http://i3.cpcache.com/product/1357409584/blank_postcards_package_of_8.jpg?width=750&height=750&Filters=%5B%7B%22name%22%3A%22background%22%2C%22v alue%22%3A%22F2F2F2%22%2C%22sequence%22%3A2%7D%5D

PS: Trump > Obama > you

I just realized back posted this on a Friday. His day off must have gotten moved and he opened his first bottle early.

[Kembal]

P.S. Did Troll King Trump just get the Media to start talking about the terrorist problem again?

Yes, he did.

[Wrathbringer]

Anderson Cooper Shuts Down The White House’s Terrorism List In Just 45 Seconds (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anderson-cooper-white-house-terrorism_us_5899937be4b09bd304bd5621?)

Who cares what he says? He's gay, after all.

[Methais]

Records: Soros Fund Execs Funded Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John McCain, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham in 2016 (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/06/records-soros-fund-execs-funded-paul-ryan-marco-rubio-jeb-bush-john-mccain-john-kasich-lindsey-graham-in-2016/)

[Neveragain]

Records: Soros Fund Execs Funded Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John McCain, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham in 2016 (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/06/records-soros-fund-execs-funded-paul-ryan-marco-rubio-jeb-bush-john-mccain-john-kasich-lindsey-graham-in-2016/)

Lots of rumors floating around about how a few of the names you just listed have been involved in some much, much worse things.

[Wrathbringer]

Lots of rumors floating around about how a few of the names you just listed have been involved in some much, much worse things.

Like gayness/gaiety?

[Neveragain]

Like gayness/gaiety?

Special interests in little boys and girls.

http://wearechange.org/anonymous-hacks-darknet-leaks-pedophile-databases/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42108748/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/massive-online-pedophile-ring-busted-cops/#.WJoCU_nyuUk

http://wearechange.org/police-make-arrest-nearly-decade-long-child-sex-ring/

Most of the chatter I'm coming across is saying a lot of this is going to come to a head next week. I'll leave it at rumor though.

[Gelston]

I like how Back isn't responding to a single thing, because he is too retarded to have his own thoughts on the subject.

[Methais]

Like gayness/gaiety?

https://i.imgflip.com/1j5rfd.jpg

[Methais]

I like how Back isn't responding to a single thing, because he is too retarded to have his own thoughts on the subject.

And roughly 0 people are surprised.

EDIT: Well maybe time4fun

[Back]

I like how Back isn't responding to a single thing, because he is too retarded to have his own thoughts on the subject.

There really isn't much to respond to. People aren't really responding to these outright lies either. :shrug:

[Gelston]

You are correct, I'm too dumb to formulate a response.

Fixed that for you.

[Back]

Fixed that for you.

How original. :yawn: You woke up looking for a fight? Ok, fuck you.

[Gelston]

How original. :yawn: You woke up looking for a fight? Ok, fuck you.

Wasn't that your purpose of creating this entire thread?

[Back]

Wasn't that your purpose of creating this entire thread?

Nope. The purpose of this thread is to list the lies of Trump and this administration. If you want to dispute those lies by all means have at it. If you want to pick a fight with me the person over these lies I feel as though that is misdirected anger as I am just posting what I find on the web. If my posts or my words anger you so much that you find yourself filled with salty rage I would recommend stepping away from the keyboard and getting some fresh air.

[Gelston]

Nope. The purpose of this thread is to list the lies of Trump and this administration. If you want to dispute those lies by all means have at it. If you want to pick a fight with me the person over these lies I feel as though that is misdirected anger as I am just posting what I find on the web. If my posts or my words anger you so much that you find yourself filled with salty rage I would recommend stepping away from the keyboard and getting some fresh air.

And you've yet to respond to any disputes involving anything you posted. Good game.

[Back]

And you've yet to respond to any disputes involving anything you posted. Good game.

Because the responses are either direct at me personally or are about other unrelated subjects.

[Gelston]

I can't think for myself, only repost website links.

Oh okay.

[time4fun]

I like how Back isn't responding to a single thing, because he is too retarded to have his own thoughts on the subject.

And, as usual, you have nothing to offer in the conversation.

It must be nice to feel political without being able or willing to actually make an informed argument about politics.

[Gelston]

And, as usual, you have nothing to offer in the conversation.

It must be nice to feel political without being able or willing to actually make an informed argument about politics.

Don't compare me to yourself, I'm not the one that is a federal criminal.

[Back]

Oh okay.

So you would rather try and insult me than talk about the lies of Trump and his administration. You accept the lies of Trump and his administration and it does not bother you. Got it.

[Wrathbringer]

So you would rather try and insult me than talk about the lies of Trump and his administration. You accept the lies of Trump and his administration and it does not bother you. Got it.

You accepted obummer's lies, which are well documented. Hypocrite.

[Neveragain]

There really isn't much to respond to. People aren't really responding to these outright lies either. :shrug:

What are the "outright lies"?

One of the links is NBC news, you can watch the press conference with the officers from all the different law enforcement branches involved.

Here's another link about prosecutors weighing child-pornography charges, among other charges, against Anthony Weiner. It's the Wall Street Journal, these aren't links to the National Enquirer.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecutors-weigh-child-pornography-charges-against-anthony-weiner-1485894771

Honestly the left is using the term "Fake News" just like they use words like racist, sexist and Nazi to shut down any voice.

[Methais]

So you would rather try and insult me than talk about the lies of Trump and his administration. You accept the lies of Trump and his administration and it does not bother you. Got it.

What's your opinion on 8 years of Obama lies? Not trying to deflect, I'm just genuinely curious, since for 8 years you were completely silent about it and now suddenly the world is ending.

[Wrathbringer]

You accepted obummer's lies, which are well documented. Hypocrite.


What's your opinion on 8 years of Obama lies? Not trying to deflect, I'm just genuinely curious, since for 8 years you were completely silent about it and now suddenly the world is ending.

<crickets>

[Methais]

<crickets>

It's only 9am though. Give him time to leave the bar.

[Wrathbringer]

It's only 9am though. Give him time to leave the bar.

He won't answer us. He can't.

[Fallen]

It's kind of a broad question.

[Archigeek]

There's really very little to talk about since the lies are so blatant. You can hardly argue that they aren't lies without looking like an idiot. It's much easier to misdirect.

[Neveragain]

There's really very little to talk about since the lies are so blatant. You can hardly argue that they aren't lies without looking like an idiot. It's much easier to misdirect.

If they are so blatant it should be easy to at least list some examples so we know what the fuck you all are talking about, I know we can fill the thread with shit the Obama admin. made. Just list the lies, should be easy.

[Back]

Fact check: Trump makes false claim about murder rate (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-trump-makes-false-claim-about-murder-rate/)


President Donald Trump promulgated the falsehood that the murder rate in the United States is at the highest it has been in 47 years during a meeting with the National Sheriff’s Association on Tuesday morning at the White House.

“Didn’t you know that?” Trump asked the group of sheriffs in front of reporters. “I’d say that in a speech and everybody was surprised because the press doesn’t like to tell it like it is. It wasn’t to their advantage to say that but the murder rate is the highest it’s been I guess from forty-five to forty-seven years.”

Contrary to Mr. Trump’s claim, the national crime rate remains at an almost historic low with a slight uptick in crime in some cities, according to the FBI’s most recent release of crime statistics in 2015.

[Wrathbringer]

Told you, methais.

[Back]

If they are so blatant it should be easy to at least list some examples so we know what the fuck you all are talking about, I know we can fill the thread with shit the Obama admin. made. Just list the lies, should be easy.

Uhh...? Are you replying to the correct thread? Because there are plenty of posts in this thread with evidence to falsehood spread by Trump and company.

Which lies of Obama are you talking about?

[Wrathbringer]

Uhh...? Are you replying to the correct thread? Because there are plenty of posts in this thread with evidence to falsehood spread by Trump and company.

Which lies of Obama are you talking about?

Right, because there were so many.

[Neveragain]

Fact check: Trump makes false claim about murder rate (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-trump-makes-false-claim-about-murder-rate/)

Watching the speech now so I know for sure the exact wording in the speech.

[Parkbandit]

It's kind of a broad question.

Sexist.

[Neveragain]

Watching the speech now so I know for sure the exact wording in the speech.

Totally depends on how you consume the information, if it's presented as murders per capita or just how many murders there's been. Not so much a lie rather perception of what's being said.

You as the consumer of the information have to ask yourself "Do we have a violent crime problem?". Me personally after finding out that Chicago had 762 murders in 2016, the highest amount in 19 years, I would answer myself that yes, we have a violent crime problem.

I don't think a single one of us are dismissing that there has been distortion of information or misspoken words from either "side". What we are questioning is your inability to admit to the lies told by the previous administration. You are being pressed to admit that you're a sycophant.

[Fallen]

Sexist.

I lolled.

[Tenlaar]

You as the consumer of the information have to ask yourself "Do we have a violent crime problem?".

So instead of being worried about whether what he said is true or not we should be worried about whether we are interpreting his false statements in a way that almost kind of make them maybe not false if you look at it this one specific way?

[Androidpk]

And, as usual, you have nothing to offer in the conversation.

It must be nice to feel political without being able or willing to actually make an informed argument about politics.

IRONY

[Back]

I don't think a single one of us are dismissing that there has been distortion of information or misspoken words from either "side". What we are questioning is your inability to admit to the lies told by the previous administration. You are being pressed to admit that you're a sycophant.

Which of Obama's lies are you referring to?

[Neveragain]

So instead of being worried about whether what he said is true or not we should be worried about whether we are interpreting his false statements in a way that almost kind of make them maybe not false if you look at it this one specific way?

Not at all what I'm saying, what I am saying is that it's your duty as a voter to use multiple sources of information to reach a conclusion by setting aside your own political bias. In this statement he is vague, is he using statistics or raw numbers, is he using numbers from just 2017 or is he using last years? or...well we really don't know because he doesn't say.

It's much like deciding if the glass is half full or half empty, it's the perception of the observer. In this instance i'm not sure it matters because of the audience that was being spoken to. I'm almost positive the room full of law enforcement agencies know better than you or I or the President. I'm not hearing law enforcement coming out and saying we're not having a problem it's actually the contrary.

Do you agree that some of our cities, like Chicago, have a violent crime problem? From what I have educated myself on is that yes we do. Should we be doing something about it and should we be figuring out what the cause of it is?

[Neveragain]

Which of Obama's lies are you referring to?

Here are just a few.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

[Tenlaar]

Do you agree that some of our cities, like Chicago, have a violent crime problem?

Do you agree that this isn't what he said?

[Neveragain]

Do you agree that this isn't what he said?

I agree with the message he is trying to deliver, we have a crime problem. Where I'm at right now we have had cars being stolen, break ins like crazy, armed robberies, drug overdoses, really hard drugs. We never had these problems here, when I grew up here I can think of only one armed robbery that took place at a Taco Johns where one of the workers was shot and killed. That's like over a 15 year span, I never even heard of a car being stolen growing up here, that was shit that happened in movies.

You're wanting to play gotcha politics, all of them use vague speech while trying to deliver a message. This shit doesn't solve anything, we have a crime problem, do you agree?

[Wrathbringer]

Which of Obama's lies are you referring to?

Thank you for admitting there are many.

[Tenlaar]

You're wanting to play gotcha politics, all of them use vague speech while trying to deliver a message. This shit doesn't solve anything, we have a crime problem, do you agree?

Of course I agree that there is a crime problem, I have not and will not dispute that. But you are saying that you are fine with false information being used as long as you agree with the message being delivered with that false information, do you agree?

What he said is not vague, it is demonstrably false.

[Neveragain]

You're making your own translation, he made no distinction of time period. If you decide on a time period I can say he's not lying if he means the largest jump in murders between 2014 - 2015, which would mean it's the largest increase in 47 years.

[Parkbandit]

You're making your own translation, he made no distinction of time period. If you decide on a time period I can say he's not lying if he means the largest jump in murders between 2014 - 2015, which would mean it's the largest increase in 47 years.

Let's be honest.. Trump has always been loose with the actual truth.

He's a carnival barker.

[Neveragain]

Let's be honest.. Trump has always been loose with the actual truth.

He's a carnival barker.

That works, though I think Tony Montana said it best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaQy52AFOo

[Tenlaar]

You're making your own translation, he made no distinction of time period. If you decide on a time period I can say he's not lying if he means the largest jump in murders between 2014 - 2015, which would mean it's the largest increase in 47 years.


“Didn’t you know that?” Trump asked the group of sheriffs in front of reporters. “I’d say that in a speech and everybody was surprised because the press doesn’t like to tell it like it is. It wasn’t to their advantage to say that but the murder rate is the highest it’s been I guess from forty-five to forty-seven years.”

The murder rate is not a nebulous concept, it is a defined and statistically tracked thing. "The highest it's been I guess from 45 to 47 years" is a distinct time period. The years in the last 47 in which more people were murdered than in 2015, both by number of murders and murder rate: 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.
(I'll just link one source because I doubt it matters: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf)

So, do you believe that the murder rate has more than doubled in the last year (which is what would have had to happen for it to beat the record high in 1980) and that is being kept a secret, or do you believe that the President's statement is false?

[Methais]

Told you, methais.

:lol:

[Methais]

Which lies of Obama are you talking about?

Let's start with the big one "If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

[Parkbandit]

The murder rate is not a nebulous concept, it is a defined and statistically tracked thing. "The highest it's been I guess from 45 to 47 years" is a distinct time period. The years in the last 47 in which more people were murdered than in 2015, both by number of murders and murder rate: 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.
(I'll just link one source because I doubt it matters: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf)

So, do you believe that the murder rate has more than doubled in the last year (which is what would have had to happen for it to beat the record high in 1980) and that is being kept a secret, or do you believe that the President's statement is false?

OK.

Trump Lied, fewer people Died.

Satisfied?

He's going to tell far bigger whoppers than this.

[Neveragain]

The murder rate is not a nebulous concept, it is a defined and statistically tracked thing. "The highest it's been I guess from 45 to 47 years" is a distinct time period. The years in the last 47 in which more people were murdered than in 2015, both by number of murders and murder rate: 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.
(I'll just link one source because I doubt it matters: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf)

So, do you believe that the murder rate has more than doubled in the last year (which is what would have had to happen for it to beat the record high in 1980) and that is being kept a secret, or do you believe that the President's statement is false?

To be honest if I go with what I know to be true by my own observations, there's something wrong with the numbers. The 80's were nowhere near as bad as they are now, this is when the drug war got hardcore and they have a political reason to make those numbers look better over that time period. If we are using the numbers we are given then yes he is making a false statement, this is the best answer I can give you.

[Ashliana]

To be honest if I go with what I know to be true by my own observations, there's something wrong with the numbers.

Does someone *really* have to explain how fallacious your reasoning here is?


The 80's were nowhere near as bad as they are now, this is when the drug war got hardcore and they have a political reason to make those numbers look better over that time period.

Ignorance with a healthy dash of conspiracy theory! Ooh! I've never heard of a conservative totally uninterested in reality before!

Contrary to how the government is shaping up now under your "God Emperor," law enforcement agencies don't exist to provide propaganda. Your assertion here merely highlights your ignorance - the BJS/FBI gather data from each individual state and compile it along with their own data. Are all fifty states conspiring to provide (X arbitrary administration or political party) with flowery data? Why haven't any of the states, or horde of independent criminologists cried foul? Because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, that's why. What has changed is the hyperbolic way that the media has reported crime, causing people to think that the world is on the verge of imploding when, in fact, violent crime (not to mention war) is exceptionally low right now.


this is the best answer I can give you.

The best answer you could give would be admitting that Trump flat-out lied, for the 500,000th time, because he -- correctly -- believes that his supporters don't care about facts, and you're a prime example.

[Androidpk]

You forgot to bold and underline random words.

[Neveragain]

Does someone *really* have to explain how fallacious your reasoning here is?



Ignorance with a healthy dash of conspiracy theory! Ooh! I've never heard of a conservative totally uninterested in reality before!

Contrary to how the government is shaping up now under your "God Emperor," law enforcement agencies don't exist to provide propaganda. Your assertion here merely highlights your ignorance - the BJS/FBI gather data from each individual state and compile it along with their own data. Are all fifty states conspiring to provide (X arbitrary administration or political party) with flowery data? Why haven't any of the states, or horde of independent criminologists cried foul? Because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, that's why. What has changed is the hyperbolic way that the media has reported crime, causing people to think that the world is on the verge of imploding when, in fact, violent crime (not to mention war) is exceptionally low right now.



The best answer you could give would be admitting that Trump flat-out lied, for the 500,000th time, because he -- correctly -- believes that his supporters don't care about facts, and you're a prime example.

Wow, settle down. That "God Emperor" stuff really triggers you doesn't it, lol.

First you have to understand that none of us live in "reality", this can be proven by the Mandela effect, we only have a perception of reality. Do you believe everything that the government tells you, did you once believe in Santa Clause? I remember being told by one of my teachers that our blood is blue only to find out later that was not true. I also said if we go by the numbers we are given then he made a false statement.

Can you prove war is exceptionally low right now other than what we are being told? We haven't had on the ground reporters since the first gulf war. We were told a video is what caused the uproar in Libya, that wasn't true but it was our perception of the truth.

So I answered the best I could, if the numbers we are given are true then he's making a false statement. Kind of like you believe abortion isn't murder, I do. No reason to get all pissy.

[Tenlaar]

So I answered the best I could, if the numbers we are given are true then he's making a false statement. Kind of like you believe abortion isn't murder, I do. No reason to get all pissy.

No, just no. You don't get to equate your opinion on a moral debate to whether or not statistical facts are facts. That some things are opinions does not make everything an opinion.

Thank you for finally admitting that Trump was lying, and that you don't care he was lying as long as he was lying about something you feel is true.

[drauz]

The best answer you could give would be admitting that Trump flat-out lied, for the 500,000th time, because he -- correctly -- believes that his supporters don't care about facts, and you're a prime example.

Ignorance with a healthy dash of conspiracy theory! Ooh! I've never heard of a liberal totally uninterested in reality before!

[Neveragain]

No, just no. You don't get to equate your opinion on a moral debate to whether or not statistical facts are facts. That some things are opinions does not make everything an opinion.

Thank you for finally admitting that Trump was lying, and that you don't care he was lying as long as he was lying about something you feel is true.

You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying, basically what I'm saying is, I don't know. Dude, I have heard presidents claim they didn't have sexual encounters with that women, No new taxes, You can keep your doctor, ISIS is JV league, it was a video, weapons of mass destruction..............

I have absolute 0 trust in our government and the press, this isn't a moral thing. This about a guy I didn't vote for who has not even been in office for 3 weeks, I have no idea what he knows or doesn't know. I see Democrat leaders that are obviously shook up about something or they wouldn't be making these huge gaffes. FFS Nancy Pelosi thinks she is still dealing with Bush and Maxine Waters thinks Russia invaded Korea. Emails the press wants to blame on Russia but doesn't want to talk about the content.

Ok, he lied. Now are you guys going to admit you're grandstanding over the travel ban? You going to admit you didn't give two fucks when the Obama admin was lying and enacting the same type of policies. I really feel we can make grounds here, real progress.

[Tenlaar]

Ok, he lied. Now are you guys going to admit you're grandstanding over the travel ban? You going to admit you didn't give two fucks when the Obama admin was lying and enacting the same type of policies. I really feel we can make grounds here, real progress.

What "you guys?" I have been speaking directly to you, have you been arguing against a group of people in your head? I welcome you to look at my posts and find me discussing anything about the ban other than the uncomfortably open-ended nature of the language. We might be able to make progress if you were actually talking to me, but apparently you have been talking to a group of liberal Obama apologists who have been raising a stink about the travel ban. Which is strange, because I don't see any when I look around the room I'm in.

Let's keep making progress, though. How do you feel about the President lying to the American people, using misinformation in an attempt to further a cause that you believe is genuinely important?

[Neveragain]

What "you guys?" I have been speaking directly to you, have you been arguing against a group of people in your head? I welcome you to look at my posts and find me discussing anything about the ban other than the uncomfortably open-ended nature of the language. We might be able to make progress if you were actually talking to me, but apparently you have been talking to a group of liberal Obama apologists who have been raising a stink about the travel ban. Which is strange, because I don't see any when I look around the room I'm in.

Let's keep making progress, though. How do you feel about the President lying to the American people, using misinformation in an attempt to further a cause that you believe is genuinely important?

What do I think? I think it's politics as normal. If you're still talking about lying about crime statistics? This is small potatoes. Where are you trying to go with this?

You're saying look at my boo-boo while I'm looking at gaping wounds. Let me kiss your boo-boo, now can talk about important things like why are they not talking about these emails? Honestly one of these days I'm going to wake up to news that they found peanuts in a Trump dump and accuse him of being in cahoots with a peanut farmer. Give me red meat, I'm not a vegetarian.

[Androidpk]

Those damn emails!

[Tenlaar]

You're saying look at my boo-boo while I'm looking at gaping wounds. Let me kiss your boo-boo, now can talk about important things like...

Alright then, I more than gave you the benefit of the doubt here. That's about all the verification that anybody could need that you have no problem with the President using, and spreading, false information as long as you "agree with the message."

[Gelston]

Those damn emails!

Told you nobody gave a fuck about those emails.

[Neveragain]

Alright then, I more than gave you the benefit of the doubt here. That's about all the verification that anybody could need that you have no problem with the President using, and spreading, false information as long as you "agree with the message."

We both agreed there's a crime problem, I have said at least 2x he lied. You're like a broken record now.

Emails?

I don't think I have ever said Trump is a moral person, I didn't vote for him. He's the God Emporer.

[drauz]

We both agreed there's a crime problem, I have said at least 2x he lied. You're like a broken record now.

Emails?

I don't think I have ever said Trump is a moral person, I didn't vote for him. He's the God Emporer.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ltBhl4BoHaMM/giphy.gif

[Back]

Let's start with the big one "If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

Firstly, yes, this was the big one that tripped up Obama. Lots of people actually did get to keep their plans and doctors. These were mainly people who already had healthcare through work which is a lot of people. So, yes, not everyone was able to keep their plans or doctors the way they were before the ACA.

I don't feel as though he was completely divorced from reality when he said it, or using it to manipulate, like Trump and his team are doing with what they have said in these past 2 weeks. Thats just me. I realize some of you may feel differently.

This thread is going to keep concentrating on the outrageous and obvious lies coming out of this administration. I have a feeling there are many many more to come.

[drauz]

Firstly, yes, this was the big one that tripped up Obama. Lots of people actually did get to keep their plans and doctors. These were mainly people who already had healthcare through work which is a lot of people. So, yes, not everyone was able to keep their plans or doctors the way they were before the ACA.

I don't feel as though he was completely divorced from reality when he said it, or using it to manipulate, like Trump and his team are doing with what they have said in these past 2 weeks. Thats just me. I realize some of you may feel differently.

This thread is going to keep concentrating on the outrageous and obvious lies coming out of this administration. I have a feeling there are many many more to come.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/nov/20/barack-obama/barack-obama-position-immigration-action-through-e/

[Back]

Sean Spicer Makes Up Atlanta Islamist Terror Attack (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-makes-up-atlanta-islamist-attack.html)

Kellyanne Conway is not the only Trump adviser to make up a terrorist attack. White House press secretary Sean Spicer has repeatedly listed Atlanta among cities wracked by Islamist terror.


Kellyanne Conway’s “Bowling Green massacre” isn’t the only case of a White House aide pointing to a terror attack that didn’t happen to make the case for President Donald Trump’s controversial executive order limiting travel from seven majority-Muslim countries.

White House press secretary Sean Spicer has repeatedly pointed to Atlanta, along with San Bernardino and Boston, as one of three U.S. cities that have been attacked by Islamist terrorists to argue that the Trump administration needed to act quickly to prevent another attack in the future.

While the Boston bombing and shootings in San Bernadino were both carried out by Islamist terrorists, neither involved foreign nationals from the seven countries in Trump’s executive order. There has never been an Islamist terror attack in Atlanta.

[drauz]

Sean Spicer Makes Up Atlanta Islamist Terror Attack (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-makes-up-atlanta-islamist-attack.html)

Kellyanne Conway is not the only Trump adviser to make up a terrorist attack. White House press secretary Sean Spicer has repeatedly listed Atlanta among cities wracked by Islamist terror.

He says he meant Orlando.

[Methais]

You forgot to bold and underline random words.

He did use italics though. I guess he was only feeling a little gay at the time.

[Gelston]

Ashliana
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[Parkbandit]

Sean Spicer Makes Up Atlanta Islamist Terror Attack (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-makes-up-atlanta-islamist-attack.html)

Kellyanne Conway is not the only Trump adviser to make up a terrorist attack. White House press secretary Sean Spicer has repeatedly listed Atlanta among cities wracked by Islamist terror.

That is like saying President Obama lied when he said he had already visited 57 states and had 1 more to go, not counting Alaska or Hawaii.

Don't be retarded.

[Back]

Trump Adviser Defends President’s Lies On Voter Fraud, Despite Providing No Evidence (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voter-fraud_us_58a07a9ae4b0ab2d2b15d5e8?&)


After President Donald Trump last week repeated the false claim that massive voter fraud kept him from winning the popular vote in November, his senior adviser Stephen Miller on Sunday attempted to defend the statement ― without providing any evidence.

“It’s very real, it’s very serious,” he said on ABC News’ “This Week.”

Host George Stephanopoulos repeatedly pressed Miller to back up his claim, but Miller wouldn’t.

“We can talk about it more in the future,” Miller said. “The reality is, we know for a fact, you have massive numbers of noncitizens registered to vote in this country. Nobody disputes that.”

State officials who monitor voting processes have no evidence of significant voter fraud in the United States. However, Miller said he would continue to defend Trump’s claim.

[Wrathbringer]

lol at butthurt back posts for the next 8 years.

[Gelston]

lol at butthurt back posts for the next 8 years.

I'm so happy. The best candidate for the job was elected and all these poor hipsters are whining.

[Neveragain]

Trump Adviser Defends President’s Lies On Voter Fraud, Despite Providing No Evidence (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-voter-fraud_us_58a07a9ae4b0ab2d2b15d5e8?&)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnUnkkbJu44

[Methais]

Why is Backlash so scared to have voter fraud looked into? Should be no big deal if there's nothing happening right?

Also, Huffington Post is a super reliable non-biased source of news!

Back thinks he's helping the cause and making a difference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGs

[Whirlin]

Why is Backlash so scared to have voter fraud looked into? Should be no big deal if there's nothing happening right?

Also, Huffington Post is a super reliable non-biased source of news!

Back thinks he's helping the cause and making a difference.

Money and time are limited resources that should be applied to systemic issue remediation rather than witch hunting for things that have no basis in fact of being problems.

[Methais]

Money and time are limited resources that should be applied to systemic issue remediation rather than witch hunting for things that have no basis in fact of being problems.

They sure were all for it when they thought it would benefit Hillary until it backfired and they were finding shit like that weird shit in Detroit and a bunch of other counties having more votes than voters must have just been a coincidence.

Golly.

[Whirlin]

They sure were all for it when they thought it would benefit Hillary until it backfired and they were finding shit like that weird shit in Detroit and a bunch of other counties having more votes than voters must have just been a coincidence.

Golly.

Can you provide a source for that?

[Gelston]

https://i.imgflip.com/18b2iz.jpg

[Methais]

Can you provide a source for that?

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/14/steins-recount-turns-more-votes-voters-detroit
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/18/detroit-ballots-vote-recount-election-stein/95570866/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/detroit-machines-registered-more-votes-081903447.html

I'm sure those are all just fake news.

[Back]

Why is Backlash so scared to have voter fraud looked into? Should be no big deal if there's nothing happening right?

I'm for voter fraud investigation. Maybe they will find more discrepancies like the 4 confirmed cases of voter fraud for Trump.


http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/14/steins-recount-turns-more-votes-voters-detroit
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/18/detroit-ballots-vote-recount-election-stein/95570866/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/detroit-machines-registered-more-votes-081903447.html

I'm sure those are all just fake news.

http://www.snopes.com/more-votes-than-voters-in-detroit/


Confirmation from officials and records obtained by a local newspaper documented widespread discrepancies in Detroit's 2016 general election vote tallies.

The discrepancy did not involve Detroit's recording more votes than registered voters, but rather precinct poll workers miscounting the number of people who voted.

Wrong on all accounts. Try again.

[Whirlin]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/14/steins-recount-turns-more-votes-voters-detroit
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/18/detroit-ballots-vote-recount-election-stein/95570866/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/detroit-machines-registered-more-votes-081903447.html

I'm sure those are all just fake news.
Based on the thoroughness and completeness of the articles, I'd actually say that the original article was likely the Detroit News one, and then the other 'news' outlets just rehashed subsets of the details under their own umbrella.

[Methais]

I'm for voter fraud investigation. Maybe they will find more discrepancies like the 4 confirmed cases of voter fraud for Trump.



http://www.snopes.com/more-votes-than-voters-in-detroit/



Wrong on all accounts. Try again.

lol Snopes

I thought you would try harder than this. And it's not even Tuesday yet.

[Back]

lol Snopes

I thought you would try harder than this. And it's not even Tuesday yet.

So show me proof otherwise.

[Methais]

So show me proof otherwise.

Scroll up and take your pick of the links I posted.

But I already know you're too lazy to do that, so here:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

I'm sure you'll demand that I produce the actual voting machines next.

[Back]

Scroll up and take your pick of the links I posted.

But I already know you're too lazy to do that, so here:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

I'm sure you'll demand that I produce the actual voting machines next.

Are you actually reading these articles you are posting? What do you think they are saying? How many votes do you think were possibly affected?

[Methais]

Are you actually reading these articles you are posting? What do you think they are saying? How many votes do you think were possibly affected?

At least this many:


The recount problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 of the city’s 662 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. State law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.


"Sure that's proof, but I mean it wasn't like billions of votes!" -Backlash (paraphrased)

Funny that you're already trying to move the goal post. Not surprising at all, but still funny.

[Back]

The articles show that poll workers miscounted voters. Weird shit? Maybe. Not surprised. Certainly not widespread voter fraud. There are four documented case of Trump voters committing voter fraud.

[Methais]

The articles show that poll workers miscounted voters. Weird shit? Maybe. Not surprised. Certainly not widespread voter fraud. There are four documented case of Trump voters committing voter fraud.

Please bold the parts of the article that says that this is what happened:


Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

Detroit’s voting irregularities spur state audit
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.

The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.

“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.

State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.

“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said.

The Detroit News last week was first to report that more than half of Detroit would be ineligible for the recount because of the irregularities. The results were based on county reports obtained by The News.

The new report, compiled by Wayne County elections officials, sheds light on the extent of the problems and shows a systematic tendency toward counting more votes than the previous Wayne County report, which didn’t specify if precincts had over-counted or under-counted ballots.

Republican state senators last week called for an investigation in Wayne County, including one precinct where a Detroit ballot box contained only 50 of the 306 ballots listed in a poll book, according to an observer for Trump.

City officials have told state officials that ballots in that precinct were never taken out of a locked bin below the voting machine tabulator on Election Day, said Secretary of State spokesman Fred Woodhams.

“That’s what we’ve been told, and we’ll be wanting to verify it,” Woodhams said. “At any rate, this should not have happened.”

The state is not calling the audit an investigation, “but based on what we find, it could lead to more,” he said.

City Clerk Janice Winfrey and Elections Director Daniel Baxter did not return multiple messages.

Audit ‘good place to start’

State Sen. Patrick Colbeck, R-Canton, called the planned audit “a good place to start” that could help determine whether Detroit elections workers “followed the correct procedures” or “fraudulent procedures” on Election Day.

Whether a poll book mismatch suggests there are too few or too many ballots in any given precinct, “it’s concerning,” said Colbeck, who spearheaded the request for probe. “It’s supposed to reconcile to zero.”

It’s unclear how many votes were added in Detroit. That’s because county officials have not tabulated how much the ballots were off in precincts with discrepancies of at least five votes.

Of the data available, though, machines tallied at least 388 more ballots, according to a Detroit News analysis of the records. That’s 0.16 percent of the 248,000 ballots cast in the city that voted for Clinton 95 percent to 3 percent over Trump.

Haroutunian said she didn’t know what to make of the trend toward over-counting because there was no explanation from Detroit poll workers. The city had another 34 precincts that were out of balance, but they included explanations for the discrepancies.

Under state law, those precincts could be recounted because there were explanations. The law states that original results stand in precincts that can’t be recounted.

Washtenaw County Elections Director Ed Golembiewski said discrepancies tend to “even themselves out” — there are usually about as many precincts whose machines report more votes than fewer votes. But he said the large number of precincts with over-votes in Detroit isn’t necessarily significant.

“It’s usually human error,” Golembiewski said. “I have not seen anyone intentionally try to run an extra ballot. You aren’t going to rig an election three ballots at a time. You’re going to need a far more systematic and thorough approach than a couple of people here and there stuffing three extra ballots.”

In Washtenaw County, 23 of 150 precincts, about 15 percent, could not be recounted. Other counties with high percentages of unrecountable precincts include Branch (27 percent); Cass (24 percent); Wayne (24 percent) and Ionia (24 percent).

Who’s responsible for errors?

Last week, Baxter told The News 87 optical scanners broke on Election Day. He said many jammed when voters tried repeatedly to stuff single ballots into scanners, which can result in erroneous vote counts if poll workers don’t adjust counters.

Former Detroit mayoral candidate Tom Barrow, who has challenged the city’s elections process for years, said blaming workers is a cop-out. According to city protocol, all precincts are supposed to be balanced when the ballot boxes are sealed at the end of the night, he said.

“The city is responsible. Janice Winfrey is responsible,” Barrow said. “This didn’t happen because of crazy, dyslexic senior citizens who are working as poll workers, like they want to portray this. That’s people who are trying to deny responsibility.”

He has asserted on social media that Winfrey cost Clinton the election in Michigan.

Others said there could be benign explanations.

Detroit’s ballot was two pages because it included dozens of candidates for the local Board of Education. The number of pages can cause machines to jam and lead them to count too many ballots, said Genesee County Clerk John Gleason.

“Usually, if there’s a problem, it tends to be more voters than votes,” he said. “But when we’re off, we should be very, very close, like one ballot.”

Genesee County, which like Wayne County is heavily Democratic, couldn’t recount 14 of the 142 precincts it had started before the court scuttled the process. Gleason took office in 2013 and said he had to “ride herd” over city clerks to ensure they reconciled precincts.

“Nothing is perfect. You have paper. You have humidity. You have people hanging onto ballots,” Gleason said.

“So there’s reasons, but there should be no excuses.”

jkurth@detroitnews.com

joosting@detroitnews.com

Twitter: @joeltkurth

Detroit’s mismatched votes

Here is a breakdown of the irregularities in Detroit’s 662 precincts:

■236 precincts in balance — equal numbers of voters counted by workers and machines

■248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over).

■144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were 3 under; 7 were 4 under; 8 were 5 or more under)

■34 precincts out of balance but with an explanation

Source: Wayne County Clerk’s Office

[Whirlin]

Please bold the parts of the article that says that this is what happened:
So, about 10% of the precincts in one city in one state across in the US had documented instances of non-reconciliation between voter counts by poll attendants versus actual ballots.
1) Why is this problem isolated to Chicago? Is this control to verify the two counts not national? If it is state-mandated then, out of all of Illinois, these were the only instances?
2) If the control exists elsewhere, and the only instance we've heard about is out of Chicago, then all other counts reconciled, and this is an isolated incident.

I have not seen any evidence of intent required for the label of fraud. This is evidence that the two numbers simply didn't reconcile. Fraud requires a much higher threshold of evidence.

[Back]

Please bold the parts of the article that says that this is what happened:

Well I suppose we could have left it at the Snopes article and saved ourselves a little time and effort.

I point out a repeated lie by a Trump spokesman.

You suggest I do not want a voter fraud investigation.

I reply that I do because we already have 4 confirmed voter fraud cases of Trump voters.

You suggest voter fraud in Detroit.

I find a Snopes article that dismisses intentional fraud and blames it on human error.

You LOL Snopes.

I ask for proof.

You post the same links you posted before.


We aren't getting anywhere.

You disagree with Snopes. I tend to believe Snopes.

[Methais]

Well I suppose we could have left it at the Snopes article and saved ourselves a little time and effort.

I point out a repeated lie by a Trump spokesman.

You suggest I do not want a voter fraud investigation.

I reply that I do because we already have 4 confirmed voter fraud cases of Trump voters.

You suggest voter fraud in Detroit.

I find a Snopes article that dismisses intentional fraud and blames it on human error.

You LOL Snopes.

I ask for proof.

You post the same links you posted before.


We aren't getting anywhere.

You disagree with Snopes. I tend to believe Snopes.

If there's one thing I've learned on the PC over the years, it's that when Back says something is wrong, it's right.

[Back]

If there's one thing I've learned on the PC over the years, it's that when Back says something is wrong, it's right.

http://www.posters.ws/images/374584/stoned.jpg

[Back]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-obama-wiretapping_us_58c95cd1e4b01c029d78088c?

Trump Ally: President Was Likely Wrong On Obama Wiretapping Claim


WASHINGTON ― House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) conceded on Wednesday that he had found no evidence to substantiate President Donald Trump’s claim that former President Barack Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower.

Nunes, a fierce White House ally, told reporters that absent such evidence, he could conclude only that no wiretap had ever been put in place.

If you “take the tweets literally,” Nunes said of Trump’s tweets on the matter, “then clearly the president was wrong.”

[ClydeR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhELoruQ8fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhELoruQ8fY



In case you don't know, Trump was referring to this skit (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/weekend-update-angela-merkel/n42648) from SNL.

[ClydeR]

This is not like the phony Obama birth certificate issue, which Trump cleared up after other people started it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXv-VYPo4e4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXv-VYPo4e4