I'm calling it: Trump is a liberal.

[macgyver]

He's a New York style moneyed liberal. I've called Trump winning the election, and now I'm calling him being the most bluest Repub to get into office since ever. We're talking he'll make Jimmy Carter blush.

Prediction 1:He'll say climate change is fake but he won't drill.

Prediction 2:He'll go against Big Business because the ones who live in shacks and don't know the difference between the ACA and Obamacare (hint: it's the SAME THING) voted him in.

Prediction 3:He'll raise taxes on the rich to partly fund his infrastructure programs (including "the wall).

Prediction 4:The media will goad him every step of the way.

Prediction 5: He'll be a 2 termer and be remembered as one of the best Presidents in modern times.

[Axhinde]

Just like the TV show. Making shit out of nothing.

[macgyver]

Just like the TV show. Making shit out of nothing.

Just a placeholder, when after a couple years all of this comes to pass. And original Macgyver was awesome.

[Axhinde]

Just a placeholder, when after a couple years all of this comes to pass. And original Macgyver was awesome.

I'll admit I don't follow politics much, though I really should.

I'm curious as to how you came to these predictions.

[Ashliana]

I'm curious as to how you came to these predictions.

Easily! By actively disregarding everything Trump, as a political entity, has ever said. Or done.

[Back]

Alternate facts.

[Neveragain]

I'll admit I don't follow politics much, though I really should.

I'm curious as to how you came to these predictions.

And this is how the government has turned into a steaming pile of excrement. I haven't looked at the numbers recently but the last I checked something like only 30-40% of the eligible voters vote during the presidential election. Those numbers drastically decline in the midterms which makes it even worse because those positions have an even greater impact on your community. The people that do get involved are your activists and well, you have probably read some of my crap when I jump on the soapbox. lol.

Politics suck but if you don't get involved you will always be living by someone else's rules.

[Neveragain]

Alternate facts.

Like, you can keep your doctor...............just stop, that's why we have this guy in office. Hillary and company screwed the Democrats, hold your party accountable.

[Axhinde]

Politics suck but if you don't get involved you will always be living by someone else's rules.

Isn't this the case in other aspects of life as well? I follow someone else's rules at work, I followed someone else's rules while serving in the military. Want to take a flight? Airline's rules. Winning the popular vote doesn't always mean winning the election unfortunately. I do know what you're getting at, however. Being informed is the best way to become active. The sad part is learning that some of the information fed to us is biased, or paid for.

[Neveragain]

Isn't this the case in other aspects of life as well? I follow someone else's rules at work, I followed someone else's rules while serving in the military. Want to take a flight? Airline's rules. Winning the popular vote doesn't always mean winning the election unfortunately. I do know what you're getting at, however. Being informed is the best way to become active. The sad part is learning that some of the information fed to us is biased, or paid for.

For sure, look at us as consumers, lazy as hell.

Being informed is very difficult, I would say the best place to make yourself informed is by looking at history. You have to set aside your own personal bias which is really hard, taking in information from both the left and right then using common sense to filter out the bullshit. I like to pretend that I'm libertarian but honestly libertarians will never be a serious party because of how the physics of politics work. It's also difficult to set aside emotion based thinking, take the environmental issue, none of us want a shitty environment but we can't lock away all of our resources, the more we do the more we hurt jobs, increase inflation and hurt the poor. There has to be balance.

[Gelston]

Look at that, right after Ragiken is removed from the PC this guy returns. Amazing timing.

[Back]

Like, you can keep your doctor...............just stop, that's why we have this guy in office. Hillary and company screwed the Democrats, hold your party accountable.

If you think this is bad you've got a long 4 years ahead. People will call this administration out on everything. You don't like the term "alternate facts"? Blame Kellyanne Conway.

Hillary won 3 million more votes than wannabe Putin. Unfortunately our system truly worked against us in this case.

The writing has been on the wall for a long time about this guy. The system failed us, the press failed us, the Democrats failed us, and the Republicans failed us. Now we are stuck with a tin-pot dictator who is going to hand out everything to his criminal friends while cutting out the working class.

[Wrathbringer]

If you think this is bad you've got a long 4 years ahead. People will call this administration out on everything. You don't like the term "alternate facts"? Blame Kellyanne Conway.

Hillary won 3 million more votes than wannabe Putin. Unfortunately our system truly worked against us in this case.

The writing has been on the wall for a long time about this guy. The system failed us, the press failed us, the Democrats failed us, and the Republicans failed us. Now we are stuck with a tin-pot dictator who is going to hand out everything to his criminal friends while cutting out the working class.

/clowns

[Neveragain]

If you think this is bad you've got a long 4 years ahead. People will call this administration out on everything. You don't like the term "alternate facts"? Blame Kellyanne Conway.

Hillary won 3 million more votes than wannabe Putin. Unfortunately our system truly worked against us in this case.

The writing has been on the wall for a long time about this guy. The system failed us, the press failed us, the Democrats failed us, and the Republicans failed us. Now we are stuck with a tin-pot dictator who is going to hand out everything to his criminal friends while cutting out the working class.

1. I haven't seen anything bad yet except riots in the streets.

2. We have an electoral college because we have a vast cultural mix, believe it or not some of us don't want our cities ending up like Seattle.

3. The only thing that has failed us is....here it comes...US the people.

Why can't you just get this through your head, you guys spent the last 8 years projecting your beliefs instead of reflecting your beliefs. The Democrats spit on their long time base and paid the price. For crying out loud I helped get Obama's campaign going for his first term, not months after he was elected we were being called racists. Come on man, what did you think was going to happen?

[tyrant-201]

I find it funny the conservatives who cried for 8 years on this board about Obama are telling liberals to stop crying.

Nope, you're going to have to hear this shit for the next 4 years. Have fun.

[macgyver]

Look at that, right after Ragiken is removed from the PC this guy returns. Amazing timing.

Or I was alerted that some fascist was here and people were pointing the finger at me so I popped in.

Also, Trump did restart the pipelines... but again, those pipelines were over 90% finished anyway. Yeah, I didn't like it but he's pointing at jobs (not a whole lot).

BTW, Trump is sort of an experiment-in-chief for me. Think about it. We have never gotten a truly independent President ever, no strings attached to him, no party affiliation (the Repubs were hating him before even the Democrats), no money being fed into him like some ATM Presidents we've gotten before.

The question I want to answer after his tenure is : How will a person completely clean from politics all his life choose policies (liberal/conversative/whatever) after he's been thrown into the center of all U.S. politics. This is a logic test. Which is more logical Conservatives or Liberals? We'll find out gentlemen in a few years...

P.S. And remember fellas, he's starting from the right... pretty far to the right all things being equal.

[Parkbandit]

If you think this is bad you've got a long 4 years ahead. People will call this administration out on everything. You don't like the term "alternate facts"? Blame Kellyanne Conway.

Hillary won 3 million more votes than wannabe Putin. Unfortunately our system truly worked against us in this case.

The writing has been on the wall for a long time about this guy. The system failed us, the press failed us, the Democrats failed us, and the Republicans failed us. Now we are stuck with a tin-pot dictator who is going to hand out everything to his criminal friends while cutting out the working class.

http://rs417.pbsrc.com/albums/pp251/runstowin/ObamaClownCar-.gif~c200

[Neveragain]

I find it funny the conservatives who cried for 8 years on this board about Obama are telling liberals to stop crying.

Nope, you're going to have to hear this shit for the next 4 years. Have fun.

And I'm cool with it, if they don't want to get the message they will just keep losing. The Democrats have lost so much power, Wisconsin and Michigan going Republican should be the sign to the Democrats that they have to do something about the far left. I'm a pro-life Christian and I still fought tooth and nail to take down Cruz. Right now how the Democrats are acting, were laughing at them out here in middle America while our movement is growing.

[Parkbandit]

I find it funny the conservatives who cried for 8 years on this board about Obama are telling liberals to stop crying.

Nope, you're going to have to hear this shit for the next 4 years. Have fun.

I most definitely will.

Thank you!

[Neveragain]

I most definitely will.

Thank you!

Dude it's funny as hell, I have gay friends and family members that voted Trump because they don't want to be associated with these people.

[Candor]

Nope, you're going to have to hear this shit for the next 4 years.

Promise?

[tyrant-201]

Promise?

Other than disliking Trump, I have no skin in the game. I disliked Obama and Hillary too. It's just sad Trump was ever considered a serious candidate. Liar, cheat, bigot, sexist with an obvious inferiority complex - but you all eat it up. Not surprised Parkbandit does, but some of you actually seem like rational and intelligent people.

[Taernath]

Other than disliking Trump, I have no skin in the game. I disliked Obama and Hillary too. It's just sad Trump was ever considered a serious candidate. Liar, cheat, bigot, sexist with an obvious inferiority complex - but you all eat it up. Not surprised Parkbandit does, but some of you actually seem like rational and intelligent people.

People don't identify with their candidates as much as they do their party. The party is king in all things. Who cares if the guy in charge is unstable and inexperienced, if their party is on top they're #winning!

[Axhinde]

Other than disliking Trump, I have no skin in the game. I disliked Obama and Hillary too. It's just sad Trump was ever considered a serious candidate. Liar, cheat, bigot, sexist with an obvious inferiority complex - but you all eat it up. Not surprised Parkbandit does, but some of you actually seem like rational and intelligent people.

I disagree. To me, the problem is that people were not taking him seriously until it was far, far too late.

[Neveragain]

People don't identify with their candidates as much as they do their party. The party is king in all things. Who cares if the guy in charge is unstable and inexperienced, if their party is on top they're #winning!

I would argue it was less about party and more about blowing both parties up. I personally think Trump is a dickbag but I knew for sure the Clintons are not good people.

[tyrant-201]

I would argue it was less about party and more about blowing both parties up. I personally think Trump is a dickbag but I knew for sure the Clintons are not good people.

I get this line of thinking, and agree with it. However there's still people who don't think we got a raw deal all around, and love Trump. That kind of blind loyalty on either side is disturbing.

I hope he does enact positive change, I just have trouble believing it will come with the supportive cast he chose.

[Parkbandit]

Other than disliking Trump, I have no skin in the game. I disliked Obama and Hillary too. It's just sad Trump was ever considered a serious candidate. Liar, cheat, bigot, sexist with an obvious inferiority complex - but you all eat it up. Not surprised Parkbandit does, but some of you actually seem like rational and intelligent people.

For someone who "has no skin in the game" you sure to cry and complain a great deal.

It's almost like you have skin in the game.........

Poor thing.

[Parkbandit]

People don't identify with their candidates as much as they do their party. The party is king in all things. Who cares if the guy in charge is unstable and inexperienced, if their party is on top they're #winning!

Not really. This election was all about fucking over the Party.

Conservatives are irritated at the Republicans they put in power since 2010 and they've done nothing.

Liberals are irritated at the Democrats because the Party was in the bag for one candidate.

Both of these brought about the election of Donald J Trump as the 45th President.

[Parkbandit]

I get this line of thinking, and agree with it. However there's still people who don't think we got a raw deal all around, and love Trump. That kind of blind loyalty on either side is disturbing.

I hope he does enact positive change, I just have trouble believing it will come with the supportive cast he chose.

I absolutely love Trump. I didn't when he was running for the nomination.. but the closer he got to being the Candidate, the more entertaining the left became.. until a full blown panic attack / not accepting the election results ensued..

I've never, ever enjoyed an election result this much.

[Axhinde]

I absolutely love Trump. I didn't when he was running for the nomination.. but the closer he got to being the Candidate, the more entertaining the left became.. until a full blown panic attack / not accepting the election results ensued..

I've never, ever enjoyed an election result this much.

Did you watch it in your mandals?

[Parkbandit]

Did you watch it in your mandals?

Hell fucking yea!

[tyrant-201]

For someone who "has no skin in the game" you sure to cry and complain a great deal.

It's almost like you have skin in the game.........

Poor thing.

Oh yeah, I come here and cry and complain all day long. Almost like I have nothing better to do.

Wait, that's YOU. Lol

[Parkbandit]

Oh yeah, I come here and cry and complain all day long. Almost like I have nothing better to do.

Wait, that's YOU. Lol

Putting a "Lol" at the end doesn't hide your tears.

Let them flow. Let them nourish us.

Poor thing.

[Latrinsorm]

And this is how the government has turned into a steaming pile of excrement. I haven't looked at the numbers recently but the last I checked something like only 30-40% of the eligible voters vote during the presidential election. Those numbers drastically decline in the midterms which makes it even worse because those positions have an even greater impact on your community.I'm kind of shocked this number passed without comment. The turnout has been between 50% and 65% (http://www.electproject.org/national-1789-present) from 1928 to 2012. (2016 is still being measured, but the estimates I've seen are smack dab in the middle at 58%.) You are correct that it is much lower in midterm elections, but still way off quantitatively: 35% to 50% over the same period except for 1940.

[Neveragain]

I'm kind of shocked this number passed without comment. The turnout has been between 50% and 65% (http://www.electproject.org/national-1789-present) from 1928 to 2012. (2016 is still being measured, but the estimates I've seen are smack dab in the middle at 58%.) You are correct that it is much lower in midterm elections, but still way off quantitatively: 35% to 50% over the same period except for 1940.

I hadn't looked in years, good catch, still bad. I may have been thinking about midterm numbers, I'm lazy what can I say.