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ClydeR
11-21-2016, 01:54 PM
The thing about Romney is that he was not running for President in 2016. And he was not even endorsing another candidate. He just volunteered to give a speech about what a terrible person Trump is. At least the other Republicans who were critical of Trump were running or endorsing. They can say it was just politics. Romney does not have that excuse.

Below is from Romney's gratuitous and highly publicized anti-Trump speech..


Let me say that again. There’s plenty of evidence that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake. Mr. Trump has changed his positions not just over the years, but over the course of the campaign. And on the Ku Klux Klan, daily for three days in a row.

We will only really know if he’s a real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns and the tape of his interview with The New York Times. I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn’t give much, if anything, to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that — talk.

And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, that he will never ever release his tax returns. Never — not the returns under audit; not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide. Nor will he authorize the release of the tapes that he made with The New York Times.

If I’m right, you’ll have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is indeed a phony. Attacking me as he surely will won’t prove him any less of a phony. It’s entirely in his hands to prove me wrong. All he has to do is release his back taxes like he promised he would and let us hear what he said behind closed doors to The New York Times.

You know, Ronald Reagan used to quote a Scottish philosopher, who predicted that democracies and civilizations wouldn’t last much longer than a couple hundred years. And John Adams wrote this, “Remember, democracy never lasts long; it soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” That’s John Adams.

I believe that America has proven these dire predictions wrong for two reasons. First, we’ve been blessed with great presidents, with giants among us. Men of character, integrity and selflessness have led our nation from the very beginning. None were perfect. Each surely made mistakes. But in every case, they acted out of the desire to do what was right for America and for the cause of freedom.

The second reason is because we’re blessed with a great people — people who at every critical moment of choosing have put the interests of the country above their own. These two things are related. Our presidents time and again have called on us to rise to the occasion. John F. Kennedy asked us to consider what we could do for our country. Lincoln drew upon the better angels of our nature to save the union.

More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/mitt-romney-speech.html)

The last three paragraphs reminded me that lately I frequently see the phrase "illiberal democracy" used by smart commentators.

macgyver
11-21-2016, 02:26 PM
The thing about Romney is that he was not running for President in 2016. And he was not even endorsing another candidate. He just volunteered to give a speech about what a terrible person Trump is. At least the other Republicans who were critical of Trump were running or endorsing. They can say it was just politics. Romney does not have that excuse.

Below is from Romney's gratuitous and highly publicized anti-Trump speech..



The last three paragraphs reminded me that lately I frequently see the phrase "illiberal democracy" used by smart commentators.

The 08' crisis shows that our "elites" will gladly blow up the country so they can make a buck. I believe it's really my generation; the so called " baby boomers", that really screwed things up and put us in this direction of decline. The greatest generation (and they were the greatest-no question) came back from that epic war and had this soldier's mentality about running the country traumatized into them. They would refer to their employees as "my men" and when asked why they don't ask for more money their response was "you kidding boy? I make 3 times more then one of my line men, why would I need more?!" (the average CEO pay is now a cartoonish 200 times the average employee).

True conservatism only works when everyone in the chain practices good ethics and cares about the well being of others in the system; conservatism gives people the power to choose with the implied understanding that they will use this power responsibly. This responsibility could take shape in being accountable to oneself at the lower end of the socioeconomic system and being accountable to society at large as you move up the ladder. However,the Achilles' heel with conservatism is that it's easily exploitable and a few bad actors in the system could spread a "winner-take-all" mentality which is anathema to the proper functioning of a society. A famous quote stemming from the great recession sums it up fairly well: "It's a country, not a company."

Androidpk
11-21-2016, 02:40 PM
So he bent the knee. Big shocker, right?

kutter
11-21-2016, 02:48 PM
Why is anyone surprised when politicians do things that are expedient for themselves?

Romney is a politician, he wants to be inside the inner power circle, maybe because he craves power, maybe because he is really benevolent and knows he can accomplish more inside than out, but no matter what, politicians do what is best for politicians so his and anyone else meeting with Trump is not even a little surprising.

Gelston
11-21-2016, 03:18 PM
STOP THE PRESSES A POLITICIAN CHANGED HIS MIND

Wrathbringer
11-21-2016, 04:13 PM
Clyder isn't taking this well.

Parkbandit
11-21-2016, 04:53 PM
Clyder isn't taking this well.

Why does he care so much about a foreign country?

https://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/animated-flag-gif/gifs/Canada_240-animated-flag-gifs.gif

ClydeR
11-27-2016, 08:22 PM
Anybody happen to remember the title of the book Romney wrote before he ran for President in 2012?

No? Well allow me to remind you.. "No Apology."

That is all.

Geijon Khyree
11-27-2016, 11:05 PM
Romney is a sane political actor within the Republican party, take that for what you will. (He beat Obama in that one debate before getting torched back to back in the others.) + binders. He's a $$Republican. He's kind of a valid choice in all of this chaos. That's probably the real issue with Trump people.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/its-a-whos-who-of-really-despicable-people-mark-hamill-slams-trumps-cabinet-choices/