Do you think Trump is really a liberal?

[macgyver]

It's one thing to say extremely conservative/alt-right things in the campaign but I terms of actual policy and the laws he'll pass?

[kutter]

I find this question one of the most poignant to ask since, he is a New York Republican, he may be fiscally conservative, but I am betting he is going to be way more liberal socially than people expect, which makes this whiny bunch of protesters all that much more entertaining since 6 months in the will likely be saying, 'may bad'

[Taernath]

In his current incarnation he is conservative, but most of the stuff (wall, term limits, 'drain the swamp', etc.) he said during the campaign won't be done.

[Wrathbringer]

No tacos = fail

[tacos]

No tacos = fail

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5089/5202209085_a8e9fede60_z.jpg

He forgot me :.(

[Androidpk]

He'll lean socially liberal, but he'll pass ultra lenient tax regime for him and his rich pals.

[Warriorbird]

Tacos. Basically he's neither a conservative or liberal. He's a member of the Donald Trump party.

[time4fun]

It's one thing to say extremely conservative/alt-right things in the campaign but I terms of actual policy and the laws he'll pass?

It's amazing how many people voted for him because he "says what he means" and "he's a straight shooter" who now look at the horrible things he said and are like, "Well, I'm sure he didn't mean that!"

[Parkbandit]

It's amazing how many people voted for him because he "says what he means" and "he's a straight shooter" who now look at the horrible things he said and are like, "Well, I'm sure he didn't mean that!"

My main reason for voting for him (besides being > Hillary) was for enforcement of immigration laws.

I hope anyone who is harboring an illegal alien gets tossed out as well, so we can keep families together.

[Tgo01]

It's amazing how many people voted for him because he "says what he means" and "he's a straight shooter" who now look at the horrible things he said and are like, "Well, I'm sure he didn't mean that!"

You keep saying Trump said so many "horrible" things in regards to policies yet I don't see a single link from you.

Deporting illegal aliens? So enforcing our laws is now "horrible"? Have any other examples? I'd love to see them.

As far as the topic at hand goes; I doubt he'll do a lot of what he said he was going to do. I really don't see the wall being built anytime soon nor do I see him trying to dismantle Obamacare anytime soon.

I could be wrong though, I never for a second thought he would win the presidency so what do I know?

[Latrinsorm]

You keep saying Trump said so many "horrible" things in regards to policies yet I don't see a single link from you.lol

[Tgo01]

lol

See?

[Taernath]

nor do I see him trying to dismantle Obamacare anytime soon.

Didn't he say that was the first thing he'd do when he got in the door? He's certainly got the support and political capital for it.

[Tgo01]

Didn't he say that was the first thing he'd do when he got in the door? He's certainly got the support and political capital for it.

Yeah but I just don't see him doing it. There are already rumors of Trump talking about just amending Obamacare rather than repealing and replacing it.

Legislation like that tends to stick around once it's passed, no matter who comes into power. It would be interesting to see if Trump uses his veto power if Congress does vote to repeal Obamacare though.

[Androidpk]

TPP is dead in the water it seems. Sorry, Barry.

[Warriorbird]

I remember when Republicans liked free trade.

[time4fun]

I remember when Republicans liked free trade.

I remember when liberals were against it.

[macgyver]

TPP is the litmus test for me. There is a LOT riding on it *for corporations* and a lot of pacific rim countries (the ones we have the lion's share of our trade deficit with). If Trump lets this pass in any way then we know he's just another sellout and nothing is going to really change (fundamentally with "the establishment" in Washington and government in general).

[Androidpk]

I remember when Republicans liked free trade.

Republicans also like their sovereignty.

[Warriorbird]

Republicans also like their sovereignty.

Hilarious


Yeah but I just don't see him doing it. There are already rumors of Trump talking about just amending Obamacare rather than repealing and replacing it.

Legislation like that tends to stick around once it's passed, no matter who comes into power. It would be interesting to see if Trump uses his veto power if Congress does vote to repeal Obamacare though.

Rubio already wrecked it. Funny he didn't run on it.

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On topic?

If Pence is really running domestic and foreign policy it is all going to be about ending abortion and gay marriage while Trump tweets on.

[Vorpos]

I remember when liberals were against it.

Good thing for us both parties are dead.

[jumbodog]

Former head of Brietbart is Trump's chief of staff. Chief of staff drives the president. Any hope of Trump being liberal on anything just went out the window.

I'd like to change my answer to Heil Trump!

[kutter]

Former head of Brietbart is Trump's chief of staff. Chief of staff drives the president. Any hope of Trump being liberal on anything just went out the window.

I'd like to change my answer to Heil Trump!

Pretty sure Trump is going to do whatever Trump wants, besides, Reince Priebus is his Chief of Staff, or however you spell that dudes name.

[jumbodog]

Pretty sure Trump is going to do whatever Trump wants, besides, Reince Priebus is his Chief of Staff, or however you spell that dudes name.

Sorry, yeah. I meant his "chief counselor" or whatever, whom Trump stated will play an equal role with Reince Priebus. Steven Bannon.

[kutter]

I think it is an interesting combination, Bannon is an outsider and would probably want to just blow everything up but Priebus is a DC insider and as much as I think we need to nuke that place, until we can, business still has to get done and he will need him to wrangle Congress.

[BriarFox]

Tacos. Basically he's neither a conservative or liberal. He's a member of the Donald Trump party.

This. Trump will just do whatever rubs his pumpkin skin the right way at the time.

[Wrathbringer]

This. Trump will just do whatever rubs his pumpkin skin the right way at the time.

What if I said, "Obama will just do whatever rubs his turd brown skin the right way at the time." I'd be a racist, wouldn't I? The liberal double standard is alive and well.

[Taernath]

What if I said, "Obama will just do whatever rubs his black skin the right way at the time." I'd be a racist, wouldn't I? The liberal double standard is alive and well.

Pumpkins aren't a race.

[Wrathbringer]

Pumpkins aren't a race.

Noted. Changed to turd brown

[time4fun]

This. Trump will just do whatever rubs his pumpkin skin the right way at the time.

Through Bannon- Chief White Nationalist Officer- Trump has control of a media platform. He's going to do whatever he needs to in order to keep that advantage. It'd be dangerous under any circumstances (as close to a state run political media outlet as we've had in modern politics), but it's even more distressing that it's a white nationalist platform.

[macgyver]

Through Bannon- Chief White Nationalist Officer- Trump has control of a media platform. He's going to do whatever he needs to in order to keep that advantage. It'd be dangerous under any circumstances (as close to a state run political media outlet as we've had in modern politics), but it's even more distressing that it's a white nationalist platform.

The problem here is I don't think you understand how much of a boon Trump is to your party. If he realistically does the things he said he'll do complete with images of babies being torn from their mother's arms at gunpoint and lines of rounded up immigrants being shoveled onto buses; he will traumatize a new generation of electorate (the millennials) and alienate this country from progressive Europe and South America in general. No one will vote Republican from this point going forward; because there won't be a Republican Party. This is just the demographic numbers the country is moving toward.

Well, I caveat all that with the understanding that the Dems won't be complete morons in their campaign strategy and send Hillary the reviled Demoness of the 9th pit to run again.

[time4fun]

The problem here is I don't think you understand how much of a boon Trump is to your party. If he realistically does the things he said he'll do complete with images of babies being torn from their mother's arms at gunpoint and lines of rounded up immigrants being shoveled onto buses; he will traumatize a new generation of electorate (the millennials) and alienate this country from progressive Europe and South America in general. No one will vote Republican from this point going forward; because there won't be a Republican Party. This is just the demographic numbers the country is moving toward.

Well, I caveat all that with the understanding that the Dems won't be complete morons in their campaign strategy and send Hillary the reviled Demoness of the 9th pit to run again.

I'm happy for you that the consequences of elections are purely philosophical implications and not about your concrete rights- which are so much more easily taken away than granted back. I wish that more of this country had that immense privilege.

[Archigeek]

We had Jesse Ventura as governor here in Minnesota, and it shook things up pretty good. I'm not the first person to mention the parallels, and while not exactly the same, there are some strong ones. Jesse was Jesse, and I'm pretty sure Trump isn't going to change his personality because he won the election.

One thing that Jesse did that was smart, and I really wish Trump would also do, was that he surrounded himself with non-partisan experts who didn't have a party agenda. It was the one good thing that came out of having him as governor; he actually had good, objective, policy advice and didn't need to think in terms of political capital as much as a party member would have. This kept both the Republicans and the Democrats on their heels with a strategy of some pretty sound policy objectives and masterful use of the bully pulpit. At least that's how it started out.

Eventually things went south and no one was really interested in what he had to say anymore. If there's one thing an egomaniac can't countenance, it's the lack of an audience.

[macgyver]

New York Times has a piece out on his tax plans. long story short, if you make 40~65k a year you'll get back 1k under his tax plans. Not bad but here's the kicker; if you make 3 million a year you'll get back almost 1 million dollars a year. I lol'd heavily. He's starting to turn out to be establishment just different gift wrapping.