Winners and Losers of the 2016 Presidential Election

[Parkbandit]

Besides the obvious ones or "OMG AMERICA IS THE REAL LOSER TONIGHT" maybe some winners and losers you might not think about

Winners:

Drudge Report - In the Trump camp from the very beginning.
Sean Hannity - He hopped aboard pretty quick.
Alec Baldwin - He will have a 4 year contract on SNL if he wants it.


Losers:

National Review - Never Trumpers.. how'd that work out?
Bush family - GTFO, though I don't blame them for all the shitty things Donald said about them.
Paul Ryan - Not sure he survives as the Speaker
Kasich - He looked like a little bitch before... now even worse.
Crows - There are a bunch on plates all over the country. Eat up bitches!
538 - I think at 3AM, they finally hit their prediction correctly. Well done Nate Silver!
Trump - The bubble created by keeping interest rates so low is about to burst. He will be blamed for it.
Obama - Peace out Obamacare and legacy. One of the worst Presidents for his party.. he got himself elected, but lost so many seats for his Party.

[ClydeR]

The three biggest winners were the liberal media, Putin and Obama. A Trump presidency will drastically increase demand for liberally slanted news, which did well in the Bush years but waned in the Obama years. People like negative reporting better than positive reporting. Putin won for obvious reasons. And Obama can now resume his work as a community organizer without having to spend time answering for things that go wrong based on his policies that Clinton would have continued.

The biggest losers were Rubio, China and Merrick Garland. Even though Rubio won his Senate election, his prospects for the Presidency are dimmed. He absolutely loathes serving in the Senate, but he knows that everybody will be watching his attendance record closely. China lost because Trump doesn't like them. US relations with China will sour, as Trump wisely allies more closely with the growing power of Russia. Garland will never get a Senate hearing.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Losers:

DNC (they picked a flawed, corrupt, unpopular candidate)
Democrat super delegates (didn't listen to their constituency)
Democrat elites who think they know what's best for the party
Bernie Sanders (hate the fuck but he was robbed by corruption and collusion)
Harry Reid (he's just a cunt and Masto will probably show the state what a good senator can do)
All of the cunt's inner circle - they better be getting their stories straight!



Winners:

If Trump does what he said he'll do - institute term limits - that alone will be worth having him as POTUS to every US citizen.
If he does actually replace Obamacare, that MAY be a good thing, I like the concept of the ACA, but it's financially broken


Not sure yet:


Supreme court (I think broad range of justices is a good thing, Trump selecting one won't be terrible... if it becomes many, I don't like the thought of a far left or far right Supreme Court)
Building a wall isn't terrible IMO, but needs to be married with a true path to citizenship for existing illegals, and a realistic path to citizenship for those seeking to move to the US. We'll see what happens, I suspect nothing.


Those are just the ones top of mind. I do not believe Trump is the anti-Christ others seem to think he is, but I guess it's because I'm a moderate.

[Gelston]

The entire US is a winner if Amy Schumer gets out of the US and is never on TV again.

[kutter]

Winners:

If Trump does what he said he'll do - institute term limits - that alone will be worth having him as POTUS to every US citizen.
If he does actually replace Obamacare, that MAY be a good thing, I like the concept of the ACA, but it's financially broken


Not sure yet:


Supreme court (I think broad range of justices is a good thing, Trump selecting one won't be terrible... if it becomes many, I don't like the thought of a far left or far right Supreme Court)
Building a wall isn't terrible IMO, but needs to be married with a true path to citizenship for existing illegals, and a realistic path to citizenship for those seeking to move to the US. We'll see what happens, I suspect nothing.


Those are just the ones top of mind. I do not believe Trump is the anti-Christ others seem to think he is, but I guess it's because I'm a moderate.

I would agree with most of your points but the last one, anyone that entered the country illegally needs to be made to go home and go through the process of entering, or, and I would be ok with this, give them a work visa only with no possibility of citizenship and never any benefits but pay income taxes. We cannot reward people that broke the law.

[Parkbandit]

Winner:

Bill Clinton - I don't think he wanted that bitch to be President.
Michelle Obama - I don't think she wanted that bitch to be President.. plus she has 2020 in her sights.

[~Rocktar~]

The entire US is a winner if Amy Schumer gets out of the US and is never on TV again.

We could never be that lucky.

[Vorpos]

Besides the obvious ones or "OMG AMERICA IS THE REAL LOSER TONIGHT" maybe some winners and losers you might not think about

Winners:

Drudge Report - In the Trump camp from the very beginning.
Sean Hannity - He hopped aboard pretty quick.
Alec Baldwin - He will have a 4 year contract on SNL if he wants it.


Losers:

National Review - Never Trumpers.. how'd that work out?
Bush family - GTFO, though I don't blame them for all the shitty things Donald said about them.
Paul Ryan - Not sure he survives as the Speaker
Kasich - He looked like a little bitch before... now even worse.
Crows - There are a bunch on plates all over the country. Eat up bitches!
538 - I think at 3AM, they finally hit their prediction correctly. Well done Nate Silver!
Trump - The bubble created by keeping interest rates so low is about to burst. He will be blamed for it.
Obama - Peace out Obamacare and legacy. One of the worst Presidents for his party.. he got himself elected, but lost so many seats for his Party.

Obama's legacy is Donald Trump. Elections have consequences.

[BriarFox]

Decency, self-respect, and tolerance lost. America's international image lost. And most of all, the voters who backed Trump lost, because he's going to sit back, congratulate himself, and do absolutely nothing but jerk off in the White House bathrooms while admiring his hair for the next four years. He has no idea how to preside over the US, no idea how to get by in Washington, and no team in place to help him. The Republican establishment will use him when it's convenient and do an end run around him otherwise.

[Gelston]

Decency, self-respect, and tolerance lost. America's international image lost. And most of all, the voters who backed Trump lost, because he's going to sit back, congratulate himself, and do absolutely nothing but jerk off in the White House bathrooms while admiring his hair for the next four years. He has no idea how to preside over the US, no idea how to get by in Washington, and no team in place to help him. The Republican establishment will use him when it's convenient and do an end run around him otherwise.

Another one of these whiners.

[Wrathbringer]

Decency, self-respect, and tolerance lost. America's international image lost. And most of all, the voters who backed Trump lost, because he's going to sit back, congratulate himself, and do absolutely nothing but jerk off in the White House bathrooms while admiring his hair for the next four years. He has no idea how to preside over the US, no idea how to get by in Washington, and no team in place to help him. The Republican establishment will use him when it's convenient and do an end run around him otherwise.

lol your thank you for your tears. I'd hoped you'd post, Mr. "people will run-not walk- to vote against him."

[BriarFox]

Cynicism and mockery are the easy answers of the coward who sits on the sidelines, afraid to lay claim to true ideals.

[Gelston]

Cynicism and mockery are the easy answers of the coward who sits on the sidelines, afraid to lay claim to true ideals.

Um, what? So now we don't lay claim to true ideals because we don't agree with you huh? Your ideals are the only thing that is true? This is what makes me most happy. Seeing you arrogant liberal fucks whine. You folks started with nothing but ill will and hatred and constant bashing. You apply -ists to anyone that disagrees with you. Reap the fruit of your labor.

[Wrathbringer]

Cynicism and mockery are the easy answers of the coward who sits on the sidelines, afraid to lay claim to true ideals.

mmm nomnomnom tears nomnomnom

[Nathala Crane]

mmm nomnomnom tears nomnomnom

Uh.. huh.

I swear to god, mentally, some of you haven't matured past the age you were when you first started playing Gemstone.

[Wrathbringer]

Uh.. huh.

I swear to god, mentally, some of you haven't matured past the age you were when you first started playing Gemstone.

shart repped

eta: you too briarturd

[Gelston]

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[Nathala Crane]

Ah, so you are aware. :) Good, good.

[BriarFox]

Um, what? So now we don't lay claim to true ideals because we don't agree with you huh? Your ideals are the only thing that is true? This is what makes me most happy. Seeing you arrogant liberal fucks whine. You folks started with nothing but ill will and hatred and constant bashing. You apply -ists to anyone that disagrees with you. Reap the fruit of your labor.

Now who's painting with a broad brush? I said that cynicism and mockery were a coward's weapons, not that, "OMG, all conservatives are devils!" Substantive debates are important; mockery is anti-intellectualism (no wonder Trump won).

[Gelston]

Now who's painting with a broad brush? I said that cynicism and mockery were a coward's weapons, not that, "OMG, all conservatives are devils!" Substantive debates are important; mockery is anti-intellectualism (no wonder Trump won).

So, you weren't targeting that at people on here? You were just saying it just to say it?

[Parkbandit]

Decency, self-respect, and tolerance lost. America's international image lost. And most of all, the voters who backed Trump lost, because he's going to sit back, congratulate himself, and do absolutely nothing but jerk off in the White House bathrooms while admiring his hair for the next four years. He has no idea how to preside over the US, no idea how to get by in Washington, and no team in place to help him. The Republican establishment will use him when it's convenient and do an end run around him otherwise.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAaaaaaa.

Thank you for the lulz.

[BriarFox]

So, you weren't targeting that at people on here? You were just saying it just to say it?

Oh, no, don't get me wrong: I definitely meant your and Shartlover's comments. Edit: Oh, yeah, PB's, too. No one had to ask there, though. He subsists on vitriol. I expected better from you, though, Gelston.

[Gelston]

Oh, no, don't get me wrong: I definitely meant your and Shartlover's comments.

Oh, so you are saying I have no true ideals huh? I'm sorry, do you know me? No, you don't. You are playing from a position of ignorance.

[Wrathbringer]

Now who's painting with a broad brush? I said that cynicism and mockery were a coward's weapons, not that, "OMG, all conservatives are devils!" Substantive debates are important; mockery is anti-intellectualism (no wonder Trump won).

mmmmmmmm nomnomnom more tears nomnomnom

[Wrathbringer]

Oh, so you are saying I have no true ideals huh? I'm sorry, do you know me? No, you don't. You are playing from a position of ignorance.

Careful, Gelston. He's both retarded and butthurt. A dangerous combination.

[BriarFox]

Sigh.

[Parkbandit]

Now who's painting with a broad brush? I said that cynicism and mockery were a coward's weapons, not that, "OMG, all conservatives are devils!" Substantive debates are important; mockery is anti-intellectualism (no wonder Trump won).

I'm embarrassed for you at this point. Just slink back under your bed. See you in 4 years when you have the courage to come out again.

[Parkbandit]

Sigh.

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[Wrathbringer]

Oh, no, don't get me wrong: I definitely meant your and Shartlover's comments. Edit: Oh, yeah, PB's, too. No one had to ask there, though. He subsists on vitriol. I expected better from you, though, Gelston.

Yes, lecture us some more libby. Tell us which bathrooms to use.

[Parkbandit]

Oh, no, don't get me wrong: I definitely meant your and Shartlover's comments. Edit: Oh, yeah, PB's, too. No one had to ask there, though. He subsists on vitriol. I expected better from you, though, Gelston.

I subsist on little girl tears when she doesn't get her way.

Entertain me more..

[time4fun]

Winners:

-Angry white people everywhere who have managed to consolidate their vote and suppress the vote of everyone else

-Trump- who will finally have all of the power and attention he craves as well as a means to enact his revenge fantasies

-GOP 2016- who has staved off an internal civil war for another four years and will now have very little standing in the way of their misguided vision and who proved that targeted voter suppression and white racial resentment are enough to keep their power, even while losing the popular vote.

-White Nationalism- because they finally got back into the national spotlight, and because their champion Steve Bannon is likely to have a prominent political position soon

-Robert Mercer- who funded Trump's primary super pac, Breibart.com, and the Clinton Cash book- proving that with enough money you can invent reality.

-Democrats in 2020- because this is building the pieces required for a democratic wave at just the right time, much as the reverse was true for republicans in 2010

-Putin- who got *exactly* what he wanted- an isolationist US with crumbling faith in democracy


Losers:

-Democrats- who are now paying the price for deciding to give in to pro-business sentiments

-People of Color- who are feeling the consequences of the end of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act

-Muslims- who should be genuinely afraid right now

-Immigrants of all kinds- who should also be genuinely afraid right now

-22 Million insured under the ACA- the bill needed to repeal it is already ready via the reconciliation process and only needs a majority vote to pass

-The people who voted for Trump- who are about to realize that the master's tools will never dismantle the master's shed

-Women- who have been reminded that even if they're 10x as qualified as the guy they're competing with, he still has the upper hand

-Europe- who will have to deal with an emboldened Russia and an unpredictable US who can no longer be counted on to fulfill the treaty obligations that have stood in the way of further Russian aggression

-GOP 2020- because Trump will tear them apart and walk away laughing

-Free Press- because now they have to deal with the fact that their desire for ratings got a decidedly anti-free press President elected


Both the people who supported Trump and the people who opposed him but stayed home or wasted their vote on a third party candidate- you just got the President you deserve.

[Back]

Winners:

The media, mainstream or otherwise. Ad revenue must be through the roof. Even network entertainment programs. They are complicit in exploiting the divisiveness of this campaign.

White nationalists. The only demographic Trump needed to win the campaign was the white vote. His win will quietly empower white nationalism across this country and possibly across the Atlantic into Europe.

Putin. Clinton would have been a straight up wall against him. Trump is going to be his buddy buddy.

America. Ultimately we see that this is a free country where you can have a voice and live together despite radical differences of opinion.



Losers:

Minorities. We will see a national "stop and frisk" program, otherwise known as legal racial profiling, emerge.

Low and middle income families. Say good bye to tax credits and social programs. Look forward to union busting and tax relief for the rich.

Political dynasties. When you think about it Trump beat not only the Clinton family but the Bush family at the same time.

[Wrathbringer]

Winners:

-Angry white people everywhere who have managed to consolidate their vote and suppress the vote of everyone else

-Trump- who will finally have all of the power and attention he craves as well as a means to enact his revenge fantasies

-GOP 2016- who has staved off an internal civil war for another four years and will now have very little standing in the way of their misguided vision and who proved that targeted voter suppression and white racial resentment are enough to keep their power, even while losing the popular vote.

-White Nationalism- because they finally got back into the national spotlight, and because their champion Steve Bannon is likely to have a prominent political position soon

-Robert Mercer- who funded Trump's primary super pac, Breibart.com, and the Clinton Cash book- proving that with enough money you can invent reality.

-Democrats in 2020- because this is building the pieces required for a democratic wave at just the right time, much as the reverse was true for republicans in 2010

-Putin- who got *exactly* what he wanted- an isolationist US with crumbling faith in democracy


Losers:

-Democrats- who are now paying the price for deciding to give in to pro-business sentiments

-People of Color- who are feeling the consequences of the end of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act

-Muslims- who should be genuinely afraid right now

-Immigrants of all kinds- who should also be genuinely afraid right now

-22 Million insured under the ACA- the bill needed to repeal it is already ready via the reconciliation process and only needs a majority vote to pass

-The people who voted for Trump- who are about to realize that the master's tools will never dismantle the master's shed

-Women- who have been reminded that even if they're 10x as qualified as the guy they're competing with, he still has the upper hand

-Europe- who will have to deal with an emboldened Russia and an unpredictable US who can no longer be counted on to fulfill the treaty obligations that have stood in the way of further Russian aggression

-GOP 2020- because Trump will tear them apart and walk away laughing

-Free Press- because now they have to deal with the fact that their desire for ratings got a decidedly anti-free press President elected


Both the people who supported Trump and the people who opposed him but stayed home or wasted their vote on a third party candidate- you just got the President you deserve.

lol as I knew, your tears would be especially sweet. waaaaaaaaaaaaa I lost waaaaaa other people's fault! waaaaa!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Liberals seriously think this election was about color and sex?

That's why Trump won, because you missed the fact the Dem candidate was hands down the worst possible candidate you could have nominated, because she had tits.

[Stolis]

Winners:

-Angry white people everywhere who have managed to consolidate their vote and suppress the vote of everyone else

-Trump- who will finally have all of the power and attention he craves as well as a means to enact his revenge fantasies

-GOP 2016- who has staved off an internal civil war for another four years and will now have very little standing in the way of their misguided vision and who proved that targeted voter suppression and white racial resentment are enough to keep their power, even while losing the popular vote.

-White Nationalism- because they finally got back into the national spotlight, and because their champion Steve Bannon is likely to have a prominent political position soon

-Robert Mercer- who funded Trump's primary super pac, Breibart.com, and the Clinton Cash book- proving that with enough money you can invent reality.

-Democrats in 2020- because this is building the pieces required for a democratic wave at just the right time, much as the reverse was true for republicans in 2010

-Putin- who got *exactly* what he wanted- an isolationist US with crumbling faith in democracy


Losers:

-Democrats- who are now paying the price for deciding to give in to pro-business sentiments

-People of Color- who are feeling the consequences of the end of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act

-Muslims- who should be genuinely afraid right now

-Immigrants of all kinds- who should also be genuinely afraid right now

-22 Million insured under the ACA- the bill needed to repeal it is already ready via the reconciliation process and only needs a majority vote to pass

-The people who voted for Trump- who are about to realize that the master's tools will never dismantle the master's shed

-Women- who have been reminded that even if they're 10x as qualified as the guy they're competing with, he still has the upper hand

-Europe- who will have to deal with an emboldened Russia and an unpredictable US who can no longer be counted on to fulfill the treaty obligations that have stood in the way of further Russian aggression

-GOP 2020- because Trump will tear them apart and walk away laughing

-Free Press- because now they have to deal with the fact that their desire for ratings got a decidedly anti-free press President elected


Both the people who supported Trump and the people who opposed him but stayed home or wasted their vote on a third party candidate- you just got the President you deserve.

You just can't admit that the DNC put up a candidate with a history of making very sketchy decisions, all but made sure Bernie Sanders never had a fair fight through the primaries, and then you're shocked that voters weren't all ok with that? That female voters didn't actually just cast their vote for Hillary because she was a woman, they actually listened to the shit she said and realized that it wasn't what they wanted in their president?

[Androidpk]

Decency, self-respect, and tolerance lost. America's international image lost. And most of all, the voters who backed Trump lost, because he's going to sit back, congratulate himself, and do absolutely nothing but jerk off in the White House bathrooms while admiring his hair for the next four years. He has no idea how to preside over the US, no idea how to get by in Washington, and no team in place to help him. The Republican establishment will use him when it's convenient and do an end run around him otherwise.

:hump:

[Trump]

You just can't admit that the DNC put up a candidate with a history of making very sketchy decisions, all but made sure Bernie Sanders never had a fair fight through the primaries, and then you're shocked that voters weren't all ok with that? That female voters didn't actually just cast their vote for Hillary because she was a woman, they actually listened to the shit she said and realized that it wasn't what they wanted in their president?

Agreed with this, if Sanders ran it really would've been a landslide against Trump.

P.S. This is Mac by the way, I really want to know who's got the Trump name in-game. Speak up!

[Androidpk]

Winners:

-Angry white people everywhere who have managed to consolidate their vote and suppress the vote of everyone else

-Trump- who will finally have all of the power and attention he craves as well as a means to enact his revenge fantasies

-GOP 2016- who has staved off an internal civil war for another four years and will now have very little standing in the way of their misguided vision and who proved that targeted voter suppression and white racial resentment are enough to keep their power, even while losing the popular vote.

-White Nationalism- because they finally got back into the national spotlight, and because their champion Steve Bannon is likely to have a prominent political position soon

-Robert Mercer- who funded Trump's primary super pac, Breibart.com, and the Clinton Cash book- proving that with enough money you can invent reality.

-Democrats in 2020- because this is building the pieces required for a democratic wave at just the right time, much as the reverse was true for republicans in 2010

-Putin- who got *exactly* what he wanted- an isolationist US with crumbling faith in democracy


Losers:

-Democrats- who are now paying the price for deciding to give in to pro-business sentiments

-People of Color- who are feeling the consequences of the end of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act

-Muslims- who should be genuinely afraid right now

-Immigrants of all kinds- who should also be genuinely afraid right now

-22 Million insured under the ACA- the bill needed to repeal it is already ready via the reconciliation process and only needs a majority vote to pass

-The people who voted for Trump- who are about to realize that the master's tools will never dismantle the master's shed

-Women- who have been reminded that even if they're 10x as qualified as the guy they're competing with, he still has the upper hand

-Europe- who will have to deal with an emboldened Russia and an unpredictable US who can no longer be counted on to fulfill the treaty obligations that have stood in the way of further Russian aggression

-GOP 2020- because Trump will tear them apart and walk away laughing

-Free Press- because now they have to deal with the fact that their desire for ratings got a decidedly anti-free press President elected


Both the people who supported Trump and the people who opposed him but stayed home or wasted their vote on a third party candidate- you just got the President you deserve.


Aww, don't worry hon, you'll understand how politics works someday.

[Gelston]

Aww, don't worry hon, you'll understand how politics works someday.

Politics isn't reading pre-election polls with sample sizes of under 1000 and taking them as fact?

[Trump]

Aww, don't worry hon, you'll understand how politics works someday.

Be nice. Libs are all in mourning today.

[Androidpk]

Winners:

Trump
Berners
America
Julian Assange/Wikileaks

Losers:

Hillary
Obama
Liberal media
Hillarists and shameless sycophants
DNC leadership

[Androidpk]

Politics isn't reading pre-election polls with sample sizes of under 1000 and taking them as fact?

Politifact is factual!

[Stolis]

Agreed with this, if Sanders ran it really would've been a landslide against Trump.

P.S. This is Mac by the way, I really want to know who's got the Trump name in-game. Speak up!

Yeah it probably would have been really different. I would have been curious how a Bernie vs Trump debate would have gone and the banter back and forth between the two over things. It may have actually been better since the personal attacks would have been likely less. Trump and Hillary just didn't like each other as evident from the first debate on.

[Parkbandit]

Winners:

The media, mainstream or otherwise. Ad revenue must be through the roof. Even network entertainment programs. They are complicit in exploiting the divisiveness of this campaign.

White nationalists. The only demographic Trump needed to win the campaign was the white vote. His win will quietly empower white nationalism across this country and possibly across the Atlantic into Europe.

Putin. Clinton would have been a straight up wall against him. Trump is going to be his buddy buddy.

America. Ultimately we see that this is a free country where you can have a voice and live together despite radical differences of opinion.



Losers:

Minorities. We will see a national "stop and frisk" program, otherwise known as legal racial profiling, emerge.

Low and middle income families. Say good bye to tax credits and social programs. Look forward to union busting and tax relief for the rich.

Political dynasties. When you think about it Trump beat not only the Clinton family but the Bush family at the same time.

Holy shit.. these are actually thoughtful.

I guess you don't even want a rematch with time4fun.

Now, my commentary:

Hillary outspent Donald what.. like 10 to 1? At least in Florida, I couldn't stop seeing commercials from her.

How do you believe Hillary would be a wall against Putin? You remember she was the one with the reset button, right?

You really went full racist on this list. It's funny, since Hillary lost because of lack of support from those same minorities.

And while I agree that the Bushes and the Clintons got bent over, hopefully never to be heard from again.. there will always be political dynasties. Hopefully, term limits can be forced upon Congress though.

[Parkbandit]

You just can't admit that the DNC put up a candidate with a history of making very sketchy decisions, all but made sure Bernie Sanders never had a fair fight through the primaries, and then you're shocked that voters weren't all ok with that? That female voters didn't actually just cast their vote for Hillary because she was a woman, they actually listened to the shit she said and realized that it wasn't what they wanted in their president?

This election illustrated one thing: The Democrats bench strength is almost zero. We ran our worst electable candidate against their best and won.

[Parkbandit]

Aww, don't worry hon, you'll understand how politics works someday.

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[Gelston]

I don't think the Bush political Dynasty is over. They still have a couple little Bushes in the wings. George Prescott Bush, for instance, is a likely future Governor of Texas.

[Trump]

Yeah it probably would have been really different. I would have been curious how a Bernie vs Trump debate would have gone and the banter back and forth between the two over things. It may have actually been better since the personal attacks would have been likely less. Trump and Hillary just didn't like each other as evident from the first debate on.

Bernie is actually VERY knowledgeable especially on domestic issues; and he makes these rock solid irrefutable arguments. Although, Trump has the change ideology and Bernie has that same change feel plus a bedrock socialist "for the working man" bent which would've been hard to pass up for people living in the rust belt. He's also got the wise(crazy?) old man look going which feeds into his plausibility as President. (When boarding an airplane people are looking for grey white hairs on their pilot and male;for better or for worse the study shows women pilots make people most jittery).

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Apparently every liberal in the world is reverting to their fallback position of racism, sexism, and bias.

[Stolis]

This election illustrated one thing: The Democrats bench strength is almost zero. We ran our worst electable candidate against their best and won.

They took a lot for granted, especially in battleground states. The Democrats lost Michigan and Pennsylvania. Both states haven't gone Republican since 1992.

[Tgo01]

-Angry white people everywhere who have managed to consolidate their vote and suppress the vote of everyone else

Uh-oh, Democrats falling back on the voter disenfranchisement bullshit again?


-Trump- who will finally have all of the power and attention he craves as well as a means to enact his revenge fantasies

Fear mongering!


-GOP 2016- who has staved off an internal civil war for another four years and will now have very little standing in the way of their misguided vision and who proved that targeted voter suppression and white racial resentment are enough to keep their power, even while losing the popular vote.

Voter disenfranchisement, fear mongering, AND "The election is rigged because Trump lost the popular vote" all in one sentence. I must admit, I am impressed.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You know who has two thumbs and is a winner today? This guy.

JNJ, PFE and MRK are KILLING it.

[Tisket]

Fear mongering!

Seriously.

One thing we can be sure of for the next four years is Trump's desire to get reelected. Being a shit President would hamper that ambition.

[drauz]

Winners:

-Angry white people everywhere who have managed to consolidate their vote and suppress the vote of everyone else. I figured you would have learned that you've overused the "racist" card by now, no such luck though.

-Trump- who will finally have all of the power and attention he craves as well as a means to enact his revenge fantasies - Probably some what true.

-GOP 2016- who has staved off an internal civil war for another four years and will now have very little standing in the way of their misguided vision and who proved that targeted voter suppression and white racial resentment are enough to keep their power, even while losing the popular vote. - You didn't really do a great job before of showing voter suppression (closing poll locations =/= voter suppression), sounds like you heard a sound byte and are running with it (which is exactly what you did last week)

-White Nationalism- because they finally got back into the national spotlight, and because their champion Steve Bannon is likely to have a prominent political position soon - I don't know enough about him, but you're calling him racist so my default position is, hes probably not (you have to stop crying wolf for this to change, not everyone against you is racist)

-Robert Mercer- who funded Trump's primary super pac, Breibart.com, and the Clinton Cash book- proving that with enough money you can invent reality. - Right cause the Clinton campaign was just a poor kid from the ghetto....

-Democrats in 2020- because this is building the pieces required for a democratic wave at just the right time, much as the reverse was true for republicans in 2010

-Putin- who got *exactly* what he wanted- an isolationist US with crumbling faith in democracy


Losers:

-Democrats- who are now paying the price for deciding to give in to pro-business sentiments - More like a democratic party that MADE Clinton their candidate.

-People of Color- who are feeling the consequences of the end of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act - I disagree.

-Muslims- who should be genuinely afraid right now - This isn't a religion of peace, where most otherr religions have done away with believing the horrible parts, they still hold these shitty parts as the word of god and to be followed.

-Immigrants of all kinds- who should also be genuinely afraid right now - I believe you mean illegal immigrants, yes they probably should be. No more free pass, they need to go thru the process that is in place.

-22 Million insured under the ACA- the bill needed to repeal it is already ready via the reconciliation process and only needs a majority vote to pass - They will probably repeal and replace, so until the alternative is announce I'll hold my judgement.

-The people who voted for Trump- who are about to realize that the master's tools will never dismantle the master's shed - Can you give me next weeks lottery numbers as well?

-Women- who have been reminded that even if they're 10x as qualified as the guy they're competing with, he still has the upper hand - People didn't want more of the same on BOTH sides, you think Sanders was so popular for nothing?

-Europe- who will have to deal with an emboldened Russia and an unpredictable US who can no longer be counted on to fulfill the treaty obligations that have stood in the way of further Russian aggression - I'm doubtful of your claims.

-GOP 2020- because Trump will tear them apart and walk away laughing - So about them lottery numbers?

-Free Press- because now they have to deal with the fact that their desire for ratings got a decidedly anti-free press President elected - If they could get thru Obama's "free press", I'm sure they'll be fine with Trump


Both the people who supported Trump and the people who opposed him but stayed home or wasted their vote on a third party candidate- you just got the President you deserve.

[Soulance]

Decency, self-respect, and tolerance lost. America's international image lost.
Would have lost these things either way. Even moreso on the international image with Billary.

[Soulance]

-People of Color- who are feeling the consequences of the end of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.
Pretty plain to see quite a few people of color only voted for Obama because he was Black. Quite a few dropped out for Hillary.

[Gelston]

Looks like Cracked lost too. The DNC was dumping money into it to write tons of anti-Trump articles. They didn't update their webpage today. I imagine they are all crying.

[time4fun]

Looks like Cracked lost too. The DNC was dumping money into it to write tons of anti-Trump articles. They didn't update their webpage today. I imagine they are all crying.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Nathala Crane]

What the hell are you talking about?

librulz

[Gelston]

What the hell are you talking about?

Crackd.com. You are ignorant to the anti-Trump articles they wrote ever single day? Are you really that blind?

Even articles that had nothing to do with the election were complete with barbs and Donald Trump.

[time4fun]

Crackd.com. You are ignorant to the anti-Trump articles they wrote ever single day? Are you really that blind?

Even articles that had nothing to do with the election were complete with barbs and Donald Trump.

Wow. You're insane. You made up a whole magical conspiracy theory where the DNC is infiltrating humor sites to try to spread propaganda and lies simply because you didn't agree with the articles.

Do you understand what you just did?

[Nathala Crane]

It can't be because Donald Trump's mouth is a veritable reservoir of great comedy material. Nope. Must be Demon-cratic funding.

[Gelston]

It can't be because Donald Trump's mouth is a veritable reservoir of great comedy material. Nope. Must be Demon-cratic funding.

Except it wasn't called "Donald Trump stand up hour". They were constantly digging into his past or tossing out barbs at him. That is fine, but they generally only ever wrote nice articles about Hillary or her policies. I've read them, I read Cracked every day, but you apparently haven't and, again, are spouting out stuff from a position of ignorance. Hell, the lead editor of Cracked is a white guy who changed his last name to Wong because he felt it was unfair that Asian immigrants had to change their names to conform to US standards.

And again, they didn't update at all today... And one of their last articles was called "don't Panic". and "Dear White Friends: Stop Saying Everything is going to be Ok".

[Gelston]

Wow. You're insane. You made up a whole magical conspiracy theory where the DNC is infiltrating humor sites to try to spread propaganda and lies simply because you didn't agree with the articles.

Do you understand what you just did?

I didn't say they "infiltrated" shit. Cracked works on sponsors. the DNC sponsored them to write articles. It is pretty known. They've also had sponsors from Ford and other shit before.

They are a loser because now their DNC/Clinton sponsor is all dried up.

[Nathala Crane]

I wouldn't worry too much about Cracked. Give it a day or two and Seanbaby will be churning out more articles about vidya games and Hostess pie ads starring the A-Team.

[Gelston]

I wouldn't worry too much about Cracked. Give it a day or two and Seanbaby will be churning out more articles about vidya games and Hostess pie ads starring the A-Team.

I'd be happy for that. I used to love the history articles and all the other things they did. They always had political/social articles, but towards the election the ratio of shit I cared about to shit where they just lectured you the entire time changed. I can't wait for it to get back to how it was.

Also, I don't like John Cheese articles.

[Fallen]

Winner: Palmer Luckey

[Gelston]

Winner: Palmer Luckey

Oh God, isn't that the truth. Forgot completely about that guy.

[Warriorbird]

Winner: Interstate Crosscheck http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

[Thondalar]

Winner: My main prep cook at work.

She's a legal immigrant from Mexico, came to the US about 8 years ago. I opened the back door to let her in yesterday morning, and she was quite positively beaming. She doesn't speak much English still, although she understands a lot...I've never asked her anything political (thats sort of frowned upon by HR), but she came in holding up two thumbs and said "Trump won!".

This struck me as sort of odd. I said "you're happy he won? I didn't think Latinos liked Trump."

She explained that she did like Trump, because, and I quote: "no illegal immigrants. I work hard to be here." Something about insulto...we worked it out, basically she was saying allowing illegal immigration, and supporting illegal immigrants, was an insult to her and the legal immigrants who worked so hard to be here. She said this was the first year she was eligible to vote legally, and she voted for Trump.

I told her I didn't vote for Trump, and she gave me this sort of side-long glance and asked "Hillary?" I said no, I voted for the other guy, Gary Johnson...she told me I should have voted for Trump.

Looking at the numbers, and the fact that Trump pulled more of the Latino vote than Romney did 4 years ago...huh. I guess she wasn't alone.

[Parkbandit]

Winner: My main prep cook at work.

She's a legal immigrant from Mexico, came to the US about 8 years ago. I opened the back door to let her in yesterday morning, and she was quite positively beaming. She doesn't speak much English still, although she understands a lot...I've never asked her anything political (thats sort of frowned upon by HR), but she came in holding up two thumbs and said "Trump won!".

This struck me as sort of odd. I said "you're happy he won? I didn't think Latinos liked Trump."

She explained that she did like Trump, because, and I quote: "no illegal immigrants. I work hard to be here." Something about insulto...we worked it out, basically she was saying allowing illegal immigration, and supporting illegal immigrants, was an insult to her and the legal immigrants who worked so hard to be here. She said this was the first year she was eligible to vote legally, and she voted for Trump.

I told her I didn't vote for Trump, and she gave me this sort of side-long glance and asked "Hillary?" I said no, I voted for the other guy, Gary Johnson...she told me I should have voted for Trump.

Looking at the numbers, and the fact that Trump pulled more of the Latino vote than Romney did 4 years ago...huh. I guess she wasn't alone.

She's clearly a racist and xenophobic bigot.

[Tgo01]

She's clearly a racist and xenophobic bigot.

Agreed. Clearly a self hating Latina deplorable. She should be like the real immigrants, the ones here illegally, and be out there rioting in the streets while holding a Mexico flag.

[Vorpos]

That's the same reason the union voters voted for Trump. The illegals.

[RichardCranium]

I know of many, many, many legal immigrants in the plants and many, many, many of them hold the same beliefs. They were laughing and joking about the vatos that would be going back home soon.

[Androidpk]

Winner: My main prep cook at work.

She's a legal immigrant from Mexico, came to the US about 8 years ago. I opened the back door to let her in yesterday morning, and she was quite positively beaming. She doesn't speak much English still, although she understands a lot...I've never asked her anything political (thats sort of frowned upon by HR), but she came in holding up two thumbs and said "Trump won!".

This struck me as sort of odd. I said "you're happy he won? I didn't think Latinos liked Trump."

She explained that she did like Trump, because, and I quote: "no illegal immigrants. I work hard to be here." Something about insulto...we worked it out, basically she was saying allowing illegal immigration, and supporting illegal immigrants, was an insult to her and the legal immigrants who worked so hard to be here. She said this was the first year she was eligible to vote legally, and she voted for Trump.

I told her I didn't vote for Trump, and she gave me this sort of side-long glance and asked "Hillary?" I said no, I voted for the other guy, Gary Johnson...she told me I should have voted for Trump.

Looking at the numbers, and the fact that Trump pulled more of the Latino vote than Romney did 4 years ago...huh. I guess she wasn't alone.

I hope you told her that you didn't appreciate her mansplaining.

[Warriorbird]

Winner: My main prep cook at work.

She's a legal immigrant from Mexico, came to the US about 8 years ago. I opened the back door to let her in yesterday morning, and she was quite positively beaming. She doesn't speak much English still, although she understands a lot...I've never asked her anything political (thats sort of frowned upon by HR), but she came in holding up two thumbs and said "Trump won!".

This struck me as sort of odd. I said "you're happy he won? I didn't think Latinos liked Trump."

She explained that she did like Trump, because, and I quote: "no illegal immigrants. I work hard to be here." Something about insulto...we worked it out, basically she was saying allowing illegal immigration, and supporting illegal immigrants, was an insult to her and the legal immigrants who worked so hard to be here. She said this was the first year she was eligible to vote legally, and she voted for Trump.

I told her I didn't vote for Trump, and she gave me this sort of side-long glance and asked "Hillary?" I said no, I voted for the other guy, Gary Johnson...she told me I should have voted for Trump.

Looking at the numbers, and the fact that Trump pulled more of the Latino vote than Romney did 4 years ago...huh. I guess she wasn't alone.

You could totally make that a Facebook meme!

...and realize that most of them were Cuban.

[Thondalar]

You could totally make that a Facebook meme!

...and realize that most of them were Cuban.

Hey, it is certainly anecdotal, and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Cuban voters in Florida voting for Trump helped out the national average, but...it is what it is. I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure there was a much higher than expected turnout of Latino voters for Trump in border States like Arizona and Texas as well.


Edit: Also, I'm not sure why that even matters. Didn't Obama move to normalize relations with Cuba? Wouldn't Cubans support that policy?

[Warriorbird]

Hey, it is certainly anecdotal, and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Cuban voters in Florida voting for Trump helped out the national average, but...it is what it is. I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure there was a much higher than expected turnout of Latino voters for Trump in border States like Arizona and Texas as well.


Edit: Also, I'm not sure why that even matters. Didn't Obama move to normalize relations with Cuba? Wouldn't Cubans support that policy?

Anecdotal also... but several of the conservative Cubans I teach didn't like it because they felt it'd prop up the Castros longer.

[Gelston]

One of my buddies was a 1st Generation immigrant, parents from Mexico. His parents didn't teach him Spanish, so he only knows English. They did this for a reason.

[Wrathbringer]

Winners:

Straight white people, finally.

Losers:

Blacks, mexicans, gays, muslims, retards.

[macgyver]

One of my buddies was a 1st Generation immigrant, parents from Mexico. His parents didn't teach him Spanish, so he only knows English. They did this for a reason.

So he can't communicate with half the country? One thing I don't like about us conservatives is this refusal or hesitation to learn new skills. Spanish language is a skill, in fact a marketable one, companies will pay you extra if you are bilingual. This march to greater diversification in culture and language isn't going to stop anytime soon unfortunately and it's been that way even before the country existed; Los Angeles, San Francisco ain't English names. A true conservative will learn to adapt, survive, and prosper. Learn everything you can about your world, don't be like these single-minded libtards.

[Wrathbringer]

So he can't communicate with half the country? One thing I don't like about us conservatives is this refusal or hesitation to learn new skills. Spanish language is a skill, in fact a marketable one, companies will pay you extra if you are bilingual. This march to greater diversification in culture and language isn't going to stop anytime soon unfortunately and it's been that way even before the country existed; Los Angeles, San Francisco ain't English names. A true conservative will learn to adapt, survive, and prosper. Learn everything you can about your world, don't be like these single-minded libtards.

Are you Inspire?

[Gelston]

So he can't communicate with half the country? One thing I don't like about us conservatives is this refusal or hesitation to learn new skills. Spanish language is a skill, in fact a marketable one, companies will pay you extra if you are bilingual. This march to greater diversification in culture and language isn't going to stop anytime soon unfortunately and it's been that way even before the country existed; Los Angeles, San Francisco ain't English names. A true conservative will learn to adapt, survive, and prosper. Learn everything you can about your world, don't be like these single-minded libtards.

I'm pretty sure the majority of the country can speak English. Half of the country (It is less than that) may also beable to speak Spanish but yeah.. I only speak English and I've never had a problem communicating with people, even when I lived in SoCal.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I just want all the celebs who threatened to leave, to leave.
And all the fucking looney rioters to spend some time in the clink so they can experience the freedom of an open asshole.
And I would LOVE IT if California seceded from the union.

[Gelston]

All the celebs are saying it was in jest now.

[Ardwen]

The only loser here is America. We all LOSE, of course we all also lost if she was elected. If you think at the end of a Trump or Clinton Presidency we are or were going to be better off you a bigger fool then I would have thought of almost any of you. Hell about the first thing Trump did was field a team of Washington insiders he decried to help build his cabinet. Ah well, in a few years we get to try again, and maybe out of the 300some odd million Americans we can actually get candidates that are worthy of being our President, not a pair of complete tools.

[Androidpk]

The only way we are going to get rid of lobbyists and insiders is to burn the whole system down and start fresh.

[time4fun]

The only loser here is America. We all LOSE, of course we all also lost if she was elected. If you think at the end of a Trump or Clinton Presidency we are or were going to be better off you a bigger fool then I would have thought of almost any of you. Hell about the first thing Trump did was field a team of Washington insiders he decried to help build his cabinet. Ah well, in a few years we get to try again, and maybe out of the 300some odd million Americans we can actually get candidates that are worthy of being our President, not a pair of complete tools.

Sorry Ardwen, but for millions of us there is a real difference between the life we now have and the life we would have had under Clinton. Families like mine, Muslims, LGBTQ citizens...Clinton would have protected us. She ran on a campaign of protecting us.

Our lives are a roulette game right now because of Trump and the GOP Congress. They didn't have to be.

[Warriorbird]

The only way we are going to get rid of lobbyists and insiders is to burn the whole system down and start fresh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

...and contd.

[Warriorbird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhe286ky-9A

[Vorpos]

The only loser here is America. We all LOSE, of course we all also lost if she was elected. If you think at the end of a Trump or Clinton Presidency we are or were going to be better off you a bigger fool then I would have thought of almost any of you. Hell about the first thing Trump did was field a team of Washington insiders he decried to help build his cabinet. Ah well, in a few years we get to try again, and maybe out of the 300some odd million Americans we can actually get candidates that are worthy of being our President, not a pair of complete tools.

It's not a Trump presidency. It's Trump Empire.

[beldannon5]

There are much more pressing issues right now, like people need to bid on my auctions, also I asked a question about leveling a sorcerer versus forging. :)

[Ardwen]

Democrats made the bed they sleep in, they most assuredly tipped the scales against Sanders, had they let that primary be we'd have Bernie as President Elect. While I sympathize with you, and have lots of family and friends that are very worried about the future, 2 years and win the house and senate has to be your goal now, until then work with what you have, we are America, we are more then just the President and the politicians.

[Warriorbird]

Democrats made the bed they sleep in, they most assuredly tipped the scales against Sanders, had they let that primary be we'd have Bernie as President Elect. While I sympathize with you, and have lots of family and friends that are very worried about the future, 2 years and win the house and senate has to be your goal now, until then work with what you have, we are America, we are more then just the President and the politicians.

Absolutely correct.

[Vorpos]

Democrats made the bed they sleep in, they most assuredly tipped the scales against Sanders, had they let that primary be we'd have Bernie as President Elect. While I sympathize with you, and have lots of family and friends that are very worried about the future, 2 years and win the house and senate has to be your goal now, until then work with what you have, we are America, we are more then just the President and the politicians.

Most people just need to realize that a lot of people from both parties voted for Trump to set fire to both parties. They are fed up with the establishment and Trump is their weapon.

[Androidpk]

Sorry Ardwen, but for millions of us there is a real difference between the life we now have and the life we would have had under Clinton. Families like mine, Muslims, LGBTQ citizens...Clinton would have protected us. She ran on a campaign of protecting us.

Our lives are a roulette game right now because of Trump and the GOP Congress. They didn't have to be.

God you are such a gullible idiot.

[Stanley Burrell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL93YUWBObQ

[time4fun]

Democrats made the bed they sleep in, they most assuredly tipped the scales against Sanders, had they let that primary be we'd have Bernie as President Elect. While I sympathize with you, and have lots of family and friends that are very worried about the future, 2 years and win the house and senate has to be your goal now, until then work with what you have, we are America, we are more then just the President and the politicians.

I agree with most of what you just said- though I'm not going to play that game where we blame the Democrats for a complex situation born largely of intention. There's plenty of blame to go around for the DNC, the RNC, the media, the alt-right, etc.

I just needed to point out that some of us don't have the luxury of seeing these two candidates as functionally interchangeable. And every time we spin that fantasy, we compound the damage and become complicit in it.

Which brings me to the one other thing that we can all do between now and 2018- make sure that people understand the human price of "taking a bet on Trump" using other peoples' lives. Make sure the abstractions of rights and nativism are replaced with human stories.

[Warriorbird]

I agree with most of what you just said- though I'm not going to play that game where we blame the Democrats for a complex situation born largely of intention. There's plenty of blame to go around for the DNC, the RNC, the media, the alt-right, etc.

I just needed to point out that some of us don't have the luxury of seeing these two candidates as functionally interchangeable. And every time we spin that fantasy, we compound the damage and become complicit in it.

Which brings me to the one other thing that we can all do between now and 2018- make sure that people understand the human price of "taking a bet on Trump" using other peoples' lives. Make sure the abstractions of rights and nativism are replaced with human stories.

Calling actions problematic instead of people would help. Then when they continue to obsess on people we look better.

[Androidpk]

I agree with most of what you just said- though I'm not going to play that game where we blame the Democrats for a complex situation born largely of intention. There's plenty of blame to go around for the DNC, the RNC, the media, the alt-right, etc.

I just needed to point out that some of us don't have the luxury of seeing these two candidates as functionally interchangeable. And every time we spin that fantasy, we compound the damage and become complicit in it.

Which brings me to the one other thing that we can all do between now and 2018- make sure that people understand the human price of "taking a bet on Trump" using other peoples' lives. Make sure the abstractions of rights and nativism are replaced with human stories.

Nice to know you don't give a single fuck about the people who would have been effected by a Clinton president. It's not like she didn't already destroy millions of lives by her ineptitude in foreign policy.

[Androidpk]

Sanders called it last year.


"Let me be very clear. In my view, Democrats will not retain the White House, will not regain the Senate, will not gain the House and will not be successful in dozens of governor’s races unless we run a campaign which generates excitement and momentum and which produces a huge voter turnout.

With all due respect, and I do not mean to insult anyone here, that will not happen with politics as usual. The same old, same old will not be successful.
The people of our country understand that — given the collapse of the American middle class and the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality we are experiencing — we do not need more establishment politics or establishment economics.

We need a political movement which is prepared to take on the billionaire class and create a government which represents all Americans, and not just corporate America and wealthy campaign donors.
In other words, we need a movement which takes on the economic and political establishment, not one which is part of it."

[loxe]

I predict he will come out with a 2 part directive,
1st a national recognition of gay marriage, granting full legal rights of such.
2nd a national CCW license recognition law.
both items will be tied together so you cant have one without the other.

[time4fun]

I predict he will come out with a 2 part directive,
1st a national recognition of gay marriage, granting full legal rights of such.
2nd a national CCW license recognition law.
both items will be tied together so you cant have one without the other.

Are you serious? Groups like the HRC are in full panic mode right now (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/trump-victory-alarms-gay-and-transgender-groups.html).

He promised to appoint a judge who wants to overturn the gay marriage decision. The VP is one of the most ardent anti-gay elected officials in the country. His life in politics has been a full on assault on gay rights. He signed a bill into law that would have jailed same-sex couples who requested marriage licenses, and after the gay marriage decision openly voiced support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He once tried to direct HIV Prevention funding in his state into public funding for gay conversion therapy. And by "Once" I mean in the year 2000. And he fought tooth and nail against employment nondiscrimination for LGBTQ people.

I do honestly think that there are a LOT of people who supported Trump who didn't actually realize some of the horrible things the Trump-Pence ticket promised to do.

[Androidpk]

I predict he will come out with a 2 part directive,
1st a national recognition of gay marriage, granting full legal rights of such.
2nd a national CCW license recognition law.
both items will be tied together so you cant have one without the other.

A national CCW license recognition law would be great.

[Taernath]

There's plenty of blame to go around for the DNC, the RNC, the media, the alt-right, etc.

Again, the blame lies almost entirely on the Democratic party. They pushed a deeply unpopular, insider candidate banking on people disliking Trump just a *little* bit more. It bombed. Not because of racist white males, Russian hackers, or whatever. They were completely out of touch on how much people wanted change. Hell, even I underestimated it.

If you're really concerned about people's civil rights, now would be a very good time to do some serious introspection on why a flawed candidate was propped up. Otherwise, the Democrats might as well just skip mid-terms and 2020.

[Tgo01]

Are you serious? Groups like the HRC are in full panic mode right now (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/trump-victory-alarms-gay-and-transgender-groups.html).

He promised to appoint a judge who wants to overturn the gay marriage decision. The VP is one of the most ardent anti-gay elected officials in the country. His life in politics has been a full on assault on gay rights. He signed a bill into law that would have jailed same-sex couples who requested marriage licenses, and after the gay marriage decision openly voiced support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He once tried to direct HIV Prevention funding in his state into public funding for gay conversion therapy. And by "Once" I mean in the year 2000. And he fought tooth and nail against employment nondiscrimination for LGBTQ people.

I do honestly think that there are a LOT of people who supported Trump who didn't actually realize some of the horrible things the Trump-Pence ticket promised to do.

Here is Trump promising to protect the LGBTQ community at the RNC:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3sRAA1o4t0

But I'm sure they didn't show this on MSNBC so you probably never watched it.

[jumbodog]

A national CCW license recognition law would be great.

I would disagree here. Not because I think that CCW is bad, but because I do believe that stats should be in charge of this. The federal government needs only to ensure that the people are afforded second amendment rights under the constitution. Just like states need to be allowed to authorize concealed carry, states should be allowed to make it unauthorized.

We start dictation gun laws on a national scale and then we inadvertently give another place for the Fed to tax.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgflip.com/1e0ckt.jpg

[Geijon Khyree]

Maybe? - Hes backing off a bunch of his campaign rhetoric. He hired all the normal type of Washington staffers. Now he can do some easy win make sense changes and be a status quo President.

Lose - At the same time these hijab rip offs, the chants at schools and the truck caravans with confederate flags or go home chink are just encouraged. You cant blame one guy for that. That isnt new but those guys gotta get exposed.

Winner -Ya'll are A+ Trolls too. Respect. Its the real internet.

Winner - drink many tear gifs. 123456789

[Back]

Winner -Ya'll are A+ Trolls too. Respect. Its the real internet.

This does not surprise me. People who have sad lives troll the internet. I know. I've been one of them myself.

[Neveragain]

Obviously the losers are the Democrat party, they just lost the entire Federal Government lock, stock and barrel.

Winners, the American people. I don't see any other choice for the Democrat party at this point, they are where the Republicans were in 2008. They will be forced to move more towards the center, of course they may not have a party to move at all if they keep behaving like they have been post election. Most Americans sit in the middle.

Of course it could just boil down to a big pile shit, watching Democrats once again make an attempt at secession for the second time in our nations history could be exciting to live through.

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2016/11/donald_trumps_election_spurs_s.html

[Warriorbird]

Obviously the losers are the Democrat party, they just lost the entire Federal Government lock, stock and barrel.

Winners, the American people. I don't see any other choice for the Democrat party at this point, they are where the Republicans were in 2008. They will be forced to move more towards the center, of course they may not have a party to move at all if they keep behaving like they have been post election. Most Americans sit in the middle.

Of course it could just boil down to a big pile shit, watching Democrats once again make an attempt at secession for the second time in our nations history could be exciting to live through.

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2016/11/donald_trumps_election_spurs_s.html

...eh. They won the popular vote. There were all sorts of mistakes and a lot of corruption has to be rooted out... but with appropriately harnessed turnout even this mess would have been a victory. This probably would've been a victory with even a crazy old socialist from Vermont, which tells you the competition wasn't perfect.

This might've even been a victory without a certain blithering idiot in charge of a "50 state strategy" that was nowhere near Obama's.

[beldannon5]

I was reading somewhere today that the popular vote ended up going to Trump as of today. Trying to find the article. I am not saying it's fact just what I read.

[Warriorbird]

I was reading somewhere today that the popular vote ended up going to Trump as of today. Trying to find the article. I am not saying it's fact just what I read.

Even if it did... barring hubris, corruption, and a candidate that entirely failed to understand the lessons of both her own husband AND Barack Obama, this could have been a very different result. The ultimate lesson of Obama isn't so much about his race but that I suspect that if you had to put most Republican voters in a room and force them to pick between Obama and Hillary for a dinner companion they'd pick Obama.

[time4fun]

I was reading somewhere today that the popular vote ended up going to Trump as of today. Trying to find the article. I am not saying it's fact just what I read.

She's currently up about 600k votes (http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president)actually.

[Androidpk]

Even if it did... barring hubris, corruption, and a candidate that entirely failed to understand the lessons of both her own husband AND Barack Obama, this could have been a very different result. The ultimate lesson of Obama isn't so much about his race but that I suspect that if you had to put most Republican voters in a room and force them to pick between Obama and Hillary for a dinner companion they'd pick Obama.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would take Hillary over Obama.

[Gelston]

Even if it did... barring hubris, corruption, and a candidate that entirely failed to understand the lessons of both her own husband AND Barack Obama, this could have been a very different result. The ultimate lesson of Obama isn't so much about his race but that I suspect that if you had to put most Republican voters in a room and force them to pick between Obama and Hillary for a dinner companion they'd pick Obama.

Uh, yeah Obama would be picked. Are you idiots finally realizing that Hillary was a horrible candidate?

[jumbodog]

Lol. Why can't a question about how poor of a candidate Hillary was be said without using a qualifier like idiots? (Asked and answered. See: primary results)

That said, the second the nomination went to Hillary, I knew then democrats were going to lose. Even the extreme leftist Michael Moore said the same thing. She's just... Damn boring. I'm all for a female president, but this person was already in the white house so voting for her felt dynastic. Most of the people over 40 would bore vote against her strictly because she's a Clinton. Besides that she's no where near as charismatic as her husband (arguably, the election adjusts goes to the more charismatic. Clinton>Bush41, Bush43>Gore, Bush43>Kerry, Obama and McCain I would argue had equal presence and Palin lost it for him though Obama is more charismatic in the traditional sense, Obama>Romney, Trump>Clinton).

It also seems a little funny to me that the only reason Hillary was seen as a candidate on a national scale was largely to do with her position in the world... And much of that came from being the former first lady. Hey policies and actions without that I don't feel were impact enough for her to make a splash. (As left as she is, Elizabeth Warren may have been a better choice because voters get excited about her and her record stands on its own). I know Clinton only from her tenure as Sec of State, which was not as abject failure in my opinion. But that's not enough. Yes yes yes. I know. I'm a misogynist (I'm not). But if we wanted to put a woman in the white house, we shouldn't pick one who was already "the wife" of the president. That in and of itself is a misogynist pretext.

[Warriorbird]

Uh, yeah Obama would be picked. Are you idiots finally realizing that Hillary was a horrible candidate?

Classy.

I voted for Bernie and said as much a number of times. Just because somebody's not a great candidate doesn't mean I want to vote for the opposite party though.

[Neveragain]

...eh. They won the popular vote. There were all sorts of mistakes and a lot of corruption has to be rooted out... but with appropriately harnessed turnout even this mess would have been a victory. This probably would've been a victory with even a crazy old socialist from Vermont, which tells you the competition wasn't perfect.

This might've even been a victory without a certain blithering idiot in charge of a "50 state strategy" that was nowhere near Obama's.


I surely hope you are not another Democrat crying about the electoral college, as a teacher (a history teacher if I remember correctly) you should know better than falling in line with that tripe?

[Warriorbird]

I surely hope you are not another Democrat crying about the electoral college, as a teacher (a history teacher if I remember correctly) you should know better than falling in line with that tripe?

Not at all. I think it just highlights the other mistakes, particularly in turnout. I encouraged my students who were to do electoral college research however. I like that we have a two party system, unlike many folks though, and that is one of the things the electoral college encourages.

[Neveragain]

Even if it did... barring hubris, corruption, and a candidate that entirely failed to understand the lessons of both her own husband AND Barack Obama, this could have been a very different result. The ultimate lesson of Obama isn't so much about his race but that I suspect that if you had to put most Republican voters in a room and force them to pick between Obama and Hillary for a dinner companion they'd pick Obama.

They totally could have ran on that, Vote Hillary or we will make you eat dinner with her. I honestly do like Obama the person, from what we have learned about him as the human being, looks to be a fun guy but his politics suck. I could say the same about Bush Jr, looks like a fun guy to chill out with, he's still an idiot though.

[Neveragain]

Not at all. I think it just highlights the other mistakes, particularly in turnout. I encouraged my students who were to do electoral college research however. I like that we have a two party system, unlike many folks though, and that is one of the things the electoral college encourages.

I really don't think it's possible to have any more than two strong parties, i think just the physics of politics assure of that. I can see that for short periods of time there could be three parties, but one of the three would diminish over time.

[Ardwen]

lots of countries have more then 2 parties and are perfectly functional it actually forces the parties to work together, clearly something that rarely happens here.

[Back]

The two current political parties in America want it to stay the way it is so that they have all the power. On the other side of that coin is that multiple parties find it harder to get things accomplished.

[Parkbandit]

This does not surprise me. People who have sad lives troll the internet. I know. I've been one of them myself.

Been??

LOL.

Stop.

[Parkbandit]

This might've even been a victory without a certain blithering idiot in charge of a "50 state strategy" that was nowhere near Obama's.

Obama is the leader of the Party and has been an abject failure at getting any Democrats elected other than himself.

[Parkbandit]

She's currently up about 600k votes (http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president)actually.

LOL

How'd that work out for Hillary?

Thank GOD she's gone. Stick to ripping off companies and countries like Haiti and get the fuck out of American politics.

[Tgo01]

Obama is the leader of the Party and has been an abject failure at getting any Democrats elected other than himself.

Yeah, other than getting himself elected twice he's been a pretty huge failure. He couldn't stop Brexit. He failed at getting several Democrats reelected that he campaigned for (other than the ones who were gonna win no matter what), and he couldn't even get Hillary elected despite him campaigning hard for her and attacking the other party's candidate hard, something that is unprecedented for a president to do.

[Parkbandit]

Even if it did... barring hubris, corruption, and a candidate that entirely failed to understand the lessons of both her own husband AND Barack Obama, this could have been a very different result. The ultimate lesson of Obama isn't so much about his race but that I suspect that if you had to put most Republican voters in a room and force them to pick between Obama and Hillary for a dinner companion they'd pick Obama.

I have a friend in the Secret Service and he would 100% agree with you. He said Hillary is a fucking bitch (and he's a diehard liberal) and Bill is just a disgusting human being. He said Barack Obama is probably one of the nicest and most down to earth people he's every been around in politics and seems to care about the people around him. He said he didn't care much for GWB, but it was more about politics for him.. said he was very caring like Barack is.

The thing that absolutely floored me was that he said Michelle Obama is the worst one ever... she looks down on everyone like they are beneath her. I might disagree with her politics, but she never came across that way really on TV.

[Latrinsorm]

538 - I think at 3AM, they finally hit their prediction correctly. Well done Nate Silver!A brief word on margin of error.

Every measurement has a margin of error.
Nate Silver in particular made a big deal out of the margin of error leading into this election.
He pointed out that polls for Presidential elections were ± 3.
This means that they could underestimate the Democrat candidate by 3 points or the Republican candidate by 3 points.
The former occurred in 2012... but since President Obama was polling as the leader anyway nobody cared.
The latter occurred in 2016, and because President Trump was polling as the trailer this is seen as a failure of polling.

Nobody wants to believe random noise is real. We all want there to be a reason, an attributable cause, a roadmap to change. We see this most often in sports, most notably in the myth of the clutch performer, but the past two Presidential elections have illustrated it equally as well. There is no reason Obama and Trump overperformed their polling. There was no grand movement in 2012 or 2016. If it was just 2016 you could justifiably claim liberal bias, but it's not just 2016, and the reverse if it was just 2012, but it's not just 2012 either.

You've heard that God doesn't play dice, but that doesn't mean the dice don't play us.
Democrat super delegates (didn't listen to their constituency)For the record, Clinton won more regular (non super, democratically determined) delegates than Senator Sanders. Her 54% of pledged delegates was actually slightly below the 55% of the popular vote she received. You have heard (a lot) more from that portion of the constituency that supported Sanders, but they were nevertheless in the minority.
Those are just the ones top of mind. I do not believe Trump is the anti-Christ others seem to think he is, but I guess it's because I'm a moderate.The many people I've talked to are optimistic that President Trump will govern as (more of) a moderate than he portrayed himself on the campaign trail. Additionally, the voters who tolerated (while not agreeing with) the President's various explicitly stated bigotries are not a clear and present danger. The major concern is the people who agreed with and celebrated those bigotries. First of all they will be emboldened by the election of a man stating such things, as we have already seen from the rash of hate crimes. Second of all if they find out they have been played for saps (again) the violence is likely to escalate even further. I've seen many conservatives decrying the misguided liberals calling for assassination, as they should. What they should also do, however, is remember the fundamentalist hates most of all the apostate, not the infidel.

[Warriorbird]

I have a friend in the Secret Service and he would 100% agree with you. He said Hillary is a fucking bitch (and he's a diehard liberal) and Bill is just a disgusting human being. He said Barack Obama is probably one of the nicest and most down to earth people he's every been around in politics and seems to care about the people around him. He said he didn't care much for GWB, but it was more about politics for him.. said he was very caring like Barack is.

The thing that absolutely floored me was that he said Michelle Obama is the worst one ever... she looks down on everyone like they are beneath her. I might disagree with her politics, but she never came across that way really on TV.

I purposefully backed Bernie because of my one encounter with Hillary rather than his policies. I said so during primary season. I don't think I'm exactly known for conservatism around here.

[Latrinsorm]

(closing poll locations =/= voter suppression)This stood out to me.

Surely we agree that more poll locations on average means less time to get to a poll location.
Surely we agree that more poll locations on average means less time waiting at a poll location.
Surely we agree that people are more likely to engage in an activity if it takes them less time to achieve the same result.

If we agree on these three, how can we not agree that closing poll locations equals voter suppression?
If we do not agree on these three, on which do we disagree?
lots of countries have more then 2 parties and are perfectly functional it actually forces the parties to work together, clearly something that rarely happens here.If you notice, those other countries all have parties that are based on an ideology. Conservative Parties, Labor Parties (or for those who struggle with English "Labour"), and so on. The two parties we have are indefatigable precisely because they are not ideological. The Republicans can seamlessly transition from the party of Lincoln to the Southern Strategy, the Democrats can blithely flip flop from the Redeemers to the Civil Rights Acters. We're going to see another such swap in our lifetimes when the Republicans abandon their racial rhetoric, or more probably trade it in for a new (anti-white) racial rhetoric. Our party system started with Federalists and anti-Federalists and has really never changed from that. There's one party in power, there's one party that's anti them.

[Gelston]

Michael Moore was a big winner. He called a Trump Victory almost from the start. Surprised the hell out of me.

[Androidpk]

In her most extensive remarks since she conceded the race to Donald J. Trump early Wednesday, Mrs. Clinton told donors on a 30-minute conference call that Mr. Comey’s decision to send a letter to Congress about the inquiry 11 days before Election Day had thrust the controversy back into the news and had prevented her from ending the campaign with an optimistic closing argument.



lololololol

[Androidpk]

Rachel Maddow is another loser of this election, blaming Hillary losing on 3rd party candidates.

[Latrinsorm]

Rachel Maddow is another loser of this election, blaming Hillary losing on 3rd party candidates.Dude, is she factually incorrect? Add the Stein votes to Clinton, see how the map looks.

[Androidpk]

Classy.

I voted for Bernie and said as much a number of times. Just because somebody's not a great candidate doesn't mean I want to vote for the opposite party though.

You voted for Sanders in the primary, big whoop. That means jack shit when you turn around and vote for Hillary. You may as well have never voted for Sanders in the first place.

[Androidpk]

Dude, is she factually incorrect? Add the Stein votes to Clinton, see how the map looks.

Yes, even if everyone that voted for Stein voted for Hillary she still would have lost. Stein got like 2% of the national vote. Something like 9% of democrats voted for Trump but you don't see her bitching about that.

[Tgo01]

Dude, is she factually incorrect?

Yes.

Would all of those Stein votes have gone to Clinton? Would that have been enough in the key states to push Clinton over the top?

Even if so, would all of those Stein voters had even bothered to show up for the polls if their only other options were Clinton or Trump?

Your attention to detail and logic seem to disappear when it comes to Hitler being elected our next president.

This is why Democrats are so hell bent on trying to make it a law that everyone has to vote; they know they can't get people to show up to the polls to vote for them based on the issues, so let's make it a law that everyone has to vote, then all they have to do is pretend to be better than "that other guy."

[Gelston]

She would have also won if it weren't for that pesky Republican party. Saying you lost because people didn't vote for you is stupid.

[Warriorbird]

You voted for Sanders in the primary, big whoop. That means jack shit when you turn around and vote for Hillary. You may as well have never voted for Sanders in the first place.

Donald Trump wasn't a compelling alternate for me. He was for other folks. We'll see what they've gotten with it.

[Androidpk]

A shit taco is more compelling than Hillary.

[Warriorbird]

A shit taco is more compelling than Hillary.

We'll see how it tastes.

[Ceyrin]

Winners: Market speculators

Losers: Everyone else

How is this different from any other election?

[Parkbandit]

Rachel Maddow is another loser of this election, blaming Hillary losing on 3rd party candidates.

She was a loser well, well before the election.

[Parkbandit]

Dude, is she factually incorrect? Add the Stein votes to Clinton, see how the map looks.

I realize you are only trolling as usual.. but please show us how Trump would have lost the election had every single Stein vote been magically changed to Clinton.

Giving her WI and MI doesn't win her the election.

Math and elections.. how does it work again?

You lost because your candidate was absolutely terrible. It wasn't because of the Republicans.. it was DESPITE the Republicans. It wasn't because of 3rd party candidates. It was because the Democrats nominated the most politically corrupt pile of steaming shit with a D behind her name.. and did so in the most reprehensible ways.

So if there is any blame, it lands squarely on the laps of the Democrat Party establishment.

[Wrathbringer]

I realize you are only trolling as usual.. but please show us how Trump would have lost the election had every single Stein vote been magically changed to Clinton.

Giving her WI and MI doesn't win her the election.

Math and elections.. how does it work again?

You lost because your candidate was absolutely terrible. It wasn't because of the Republicans.. it was DESPITE the Republicans. It wasn't because of 3rd party candidates. It was because the Democrats nominated the most politically corrupt pile of steaming shit with a D behind her name.. and did so in the most reprehensible ways.

So if there is any blame, it lands squarely on the laps of the Democrat Party establishment.

This is correct.

[time4fun]

Winners: Market speculators

Losers: Everyone else

How is this different from any other election?

That depends on who you are. I believe this is the first election we have had in modern US politics where we voted in a President who wanted to ban a religious group from entering the country and wanted to put US citizens in that group on a register.

Though admittedly, it's not an entirely novel thing. Germany has seen that election before.

[Androidpk]

That depends on who you are. I believe this is the first election we have had in modern US politics where we voted in a President who wanted to ban a religious group from entering the country and wanted to put US citizens in that group on a register.

Though admittedly, it's not an entirely novel thing. Germany has seen that election before.

Trump doesn't want to ban muslims from entering the US. Stop being an ignorant twat.

[Taernath]

Trump doesn't want to ban muslims from entering the US. Stop being an ignorant twat.

He HAS said it in the past, though now it's been walked back to 'Muslims from terror-producing regions'. He's waffling, saying whatever he thinks people want to hear, but it is still up on his campaign website. I thought he had the best interns.

[Ceyrin]

Winners:

Straight white people, finally.

Losers:

Blacks, mexicans, gays, muslims, retards.

I missed this one somehow.

Sorry Wrathbringer, I'm sure you had your fingers crossed here.

[Wrathbringer]

I missed this one somehow.

Sorry Wrathbringer, I'm sure you had your fingers crossed here.

lol I really did

[time4fun]

Trump doesn't want to ban muslims from entering the US. Stop being an ignorant twat.

The most sickening thing about this whole mess is watching a bunch of people pretend like he didn't say he was going to do the things he said he was going to do. You do NOT get to rewrite history on this one in order to make yourself feel better. I'm am sick and tired of people ignoring the horrendous things Trump said he'd do to groups of people and then magically coming down with a case of political amnesia while berating justifiably terrified individuals who part of part of those groups. It's a selfish and immoral way to justify a selfish and immoral action.

Every one of us was taught from an early age how dangerous and wrong it is to support an authoritarian who singles out a religious minority for persecution. For a lot of people out there right now- their 12 year-old self had more wisdom than the version of themselves who just went to the polls, and they just learned first-hand how otherwise reasonable people open the door to fascism and Nazism.

[Wrathbringer]

The most sickening thing about this whole mess is watching a bunch of people pretend like he didn't say he was going to do the things he said he was going to do. You do NOT get to rewrite history on this one in order to make yourself feel better. I'm am sick and tired of people ignoring the horrendous things Trump said he'd do to groups of people and then magically coming down with a case of political amnesia while berating justifiably terrified individuals who part of part of those groups. It's a selfish and immoral way to justify a selfish and immoral action.

Every one of us was taught from an early age how dangerous and wrong it is to support an authoritarian who singles out a religious minority for persecution. For a lot of people out there right now- their 12 year-old self had more wisdom than the version of themselves who just went to the polls, and they just learned first-hand how otherwise reasonable people open the door to fascism and Nazism.

hahahaha yes, more, please.

[kutter]

The most sickening thing about this whole mess is watching a bunch of people pretend like he didn't say he was going to do the things he said he was going to do. You do NOT get to rewrite history on this one in order to make yourself feel better. I'm am sick and tired of people ignoring the horrendous things Trump said he'd do to groups of people and then magically coming down with a case of political amnesia while berating justifiably terrified individuals who part of part of those groups. It's a selfish and immoral way to justify a selfish and immoral action.

Every one of us was taught from an early age how dangerous and wrong it is to support an authoritarian who singles out a religious minority for persecution. For a lot of people out there right now- their 12 year-old self had more wisdom than the version of themselves who just went to the polls, and they just learned first-hand how otherwise reasonable people open the door to fascism and Nazism.

You mean kind of like when the right said BHO wanted single payer and you all said, don't be silly, he does not want that, then the video came out with his Mein Kampf detailing how he wanted to do it? So either Obama changed his stance, GASP, a politician changing his mind! Or Obama is a socialist that the left was never willing to admit.

The country managed to survive a socialist so it will survive whatever Trump is, and won't it be funny, not haha, if it turns out he is a New York Republican and a centrist.

I am curious, these groups of people, you mean ones that are not US citizens and want to immigrate? They have no rights in the US and if you look at the terror that has been wrought upon the US the past 30 years, almost every time it has been done by a person of Muslim faith, seems to me being a little prudent and halting all immigration until we can come up with a good way to vet them is not all that unreasonable.

In case you did not catch it, there is now a growing trend away from globalization because it does not work, and in case you need it dumbed down even more for you, try this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

We cannot help with fixing the worlds problems if we are drowning in debt and our economy is limping along on life support. And if you do not agree, there is a vehicle for change, it is called elections, and the left just lost in spades, so I think it is safe to say, that as a percentage of the total population, Americans want more of what conservatives propose and less of what liberals propose.

[time4fun]

You mean kind of like when the right said BHO wanted single payer and you all said, don't be silly, he does not want that, then the video came out with his Mein Kampf detailing how he wanted to do it? So either Obama changed his stance, GASP, a politician changing his mind! Or Obama is a socialist that the left was never willing to admit.

The country managed to survive a socialist so it will survive whatever Trump is, and won't it be funny, not haha, if it turns out he is a New York Republican and a centrist.

I am curious, these groups of people, you mean ones that are not US citizens and want to immigrate? They have no rights in the US and if you look at the terror that has been wrought upon the US the past 30 years, almost every time it has been done by a person of Muslim faith, seems to me being a little prudent and halting all immigration until we can come up with a good way to vet them is not all that unreasonable.

In case you did not catch it, there is now a growing trend away from globalization because it does not work, and in case you need it dumbed down even more for you, try this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

We cannot help with fixing the worlds problems if we are drowning in debt and our economy is limping along on life support. And if you do not agree, there is a vehicle for change, it is called elections, and the left just lost in spades, so I think it is safe to say, that as a percentage of the total population, Americans want more of what conservatives propose and less of what liberals propose.

Please don't demean yourself and others by pretending like wanting single payer health care is in ANY way analogous to banning a religious minority, destroying LGBTQ civil rights, tearing families apart, and criminalizing abortions.

And stop pretending like deporting undocumented immigrants doesn't hurt citizens. I'm a natural born US citizen, and my family stands to be ripped into pieces over this.

[Neveragain]

That depends on who you are. I believe this is the first election we have had in modern US politics where we voted in a President who wanted to ban a religious group from entering the country and wanted to put US citizens in that group on a register.

Though admittedly, it's not an entirely novel thing. Germany has seen that election before.

This is the first election in modern US history where one of the parties wants to relocate people of a Religion that regularly commit acts of terrorism.

Again, the jews were not blowing themselves up on street corners yelling out ala akbar and Death to germany.

Get over it, you lost.

When the words terrorist and jew are used together it almost makes for instant comedy as funny as your analogies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvfTNRsVGlM

[Androidpk]

The most sickening thing about this whole mess is watching a bunch of people pretend like he didn't say he was going to do the things he said he was going to do. You do NOT get to rewrite history on this one in order to make yourself feel better. I'm am sick and tired of people ignoring the horrendous things Trump said he'd do to groups of people and then magically coming down with a case of political amnesia while berating justifiably terrified individuals who part of part of those groups. It's a selfish and immoral way to justify a selfish and immoral action.

Every one of us was taught from an early age how dangerous and wrong it is to support an authoritarian who singles out a religious minority for persecution. For a lot of people out there right now- their 12 year-old self had more wisdom than the version of themselves who just went to the polls, and they just learned first-hand how otherwise reasonable people open the door to fascism and Nazism.

Who exactly is he singling out for persecution? Vetting people from countries like Syria and Yemen is a bad thing?

[Wrathbringer]

Who exactly is he singling out for persecution? Vetting people from countries like Syria and Yemen is a bad thing?

HOW DARE YOU!! HE'S RIPPING HER FAMILY APART!!!!!11!!!!ONE

[Androidpk]

If Trump wants to start deporting illegals then so be it. Maybe next time they'll go through the legal process like everyone else that wants to be a US citizen.

[Wrathbringer]

If Trump wants to start deporting illegals then so be it. Maybe next time they'll go through the legal process like everyone else that wants to be a US citizen.

+2

[Warriorbird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--IS0XiNdpk

[kutter]

Please don't demean yourself and others by pretending like wanting single payer health care is in ANY way analogous to banning a religious minority, destroying LGBTQ civil rights, tearing families apart, and criminalizing abortions.

And stop pretending like deporting undocumented immigrants doesn't hurt citizens. I'm a natural born US citizen, and my family stands to be ripped into pieces over this.

So you keep going on and on about your illegal immigrant brother, but all I hear is, 'We are too lazy to do what was necessary to ensure that he had a legal status in the United States'

The reason people want to move here is because it is safe and people have more opportunities, right? Well guess what, the conditions that make this place desireable to come to are because we are a nation of laws, of which you and your family have scorned for years while simultaneously taking advantage of all of the good things about the United States. So if you think I, as a federal LEO that on a daily basis is responsible for turning people away in far more desperate situations than your brother are going to feel sympathy for you, well, not so much. You made a choice to not do anything, choices have consequences, stop whining about it and fix it, but I suspect that will not happen because you and your brother are both victims and incapable of making hard choices.

Your family will be 'ripped apart' as you put it, because for years your apathy and lax enforcement of immigration laws lulled you into a false sense of security, and now that someone wants to actually ENFORCE CURRENT US IMMIGRATION LAWS, nothing new, just stuff currently on the books, and we are supposed to empathize?

[Wrathbringer]

So you keep going on and on about your illegal immigrant brother, but all I hear is, 'We are too lazy to do what was necessary to ensure that he had a legal status in the United States'

The reason people want to move here is because it is safe and people have more opportunities, right? Well guess what, the conditions that make this place desireable to come to are because we are a nation of laws, of which you and your family have scorned for years while simultaneously taking advantage of all of the good things about the United States. So if you think I, as a federal LEO that on a daily basis is responsible for turning people away in far more desperate situations than your brother are going to feel sympathy for you, well, not so much. You made a choice to not do anything, choices have consequences, stop whining about it and fix it, but I suspect that will not happen because you and your brother are both victims and incapable of making hard choices.

Your family will be 'ripped apart' as you put it, because for years your apathy and lax enforcement of immigration laws lulled you into a false sense of security, and now that someone wants to actually ENFORCE CURRENT US IMMIGRATION LAWS, nothing new, just stuff currently on the books, and we are supposed to empathize?

This is the first thing you have ever posted with which I agree. All I hear her saying is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[time4fun]

So you keep going on and on about your illegal immigrant brother, but all I hear is, 'We are too lazy to do what was necessary to ensure that he had a legal status in the United States'

The reason people want to move here is because it is safe and people have more opportunities, right? Well guess what, the conditions that make this place desireable to come to are because we are a nation of laws, of which you and your family have scorned for years while simultaneously taking advantage of all of the good things about the United States. So if you think I, as a federal LEO that on a daily basis is responsible for turning people away in far more desperate situations than your brother are going to feel sympathy for you, well, not so much. You made a choice to not do anything, choices have consequences, stop whining about it and fix it, but I suspect that will not happen because you and your brother are both victims and incapable of making hard choices.

Your family will be 'ripped apart' as you put it, because for years your apathy and lax enforcement of immigration laws lulled you into a false sense of security, and now that someone wants to actually ENFORCE CURRENT US IMMIGRATION LAWS, nothing new, just stuff currently on the books, and we are supposed to empathize?

Oh that was good!

Now do Muslims, LGBTQ People, and victims of sexual assalt.

[Androidpk]

and victims of sexual assalt.

Hillary would have been great for this.

[Latrinsorm]

Yes. Would all of those Stein votes have gone to Clinton? Would that have been enough in the key states to push Clinton over the top?
I realize you are only trolling as usual.. but please show us how Trump would have lost the election had every single Stein vote been magically changed to Clinton.I didn't say it would. You guys are really bad at this. My hope with the exercise was that Andy would see how much the map changed by theoretically eliminating a single third party candidate, and would then consider the implications of eliminating "3rd party candidates", and I have taken the liberty of bolding a particular letter that denotes the plural. Alas, Andy's response focused on the (incorrect) percentage of the national popular vote Dr. Stein received, so my hopes were dashed.
You mean kind of like when the right said BHO wanted single payer and you all said, don't be silly, he does not want that, then the video came out with his Mein Kampf detailing how he wanted to do it? So either Obama changed his stance, GASP, a politician changing his mind! Or Obama is a socialist that the left was never willing to admit.I mean if you want to equate a healthcare system with Nazism, that's your prerogative.
I am curious, these groups of people, you mean ones that are not US citizens and want to immigrate? They have no rights in the US and if you look at the terror that has been wrought upon the US the past 30 years, almost every time it has been done by a person of Muslim faith, seems to me being a little prudent and halting all immigration until we can come up with a good way to vet them is not all that unreasonable.This would be an excellent point if the Constitution said that Congress shall pass no law infringing the freedom of religion of American citizens, but it does not say that. It says Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. Regulating immigration on the basis of religion is therefore unconstitutional on its face. If you find it prudent, it is still unconstitutional. If you think it reasonable, it is still unconstitutional. That's why we have a Constitution in the first place.

[Androidpk]

You didn't say all 3rd party candidates.

[Androidpk]

This would be an excellent point if the Constitution said that Congress shall pass no law infringing the freedom of religion of American citizens, but it does not say that. It says Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

you left out a part..

[Latrinsorm]

You didn't say all 3rd party candidates.Rachel Maddow did. You couldn't grasp the totality of her statement so I was trying to walk you through it piece by piece. It rapidly became clear that this inability was by choice, a clarity you have only reinforced.
you left out a part..The Constitution has quite a few parts I left out, yes, because they are not relevant to the conversation at hand. Kutter's point is that the Constitution does not say that foreigners have a protected freedom of religion. This is correct and irrelevant because the Constitution does say Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. It does not matter if a given law respecting an establishment of religion would affect only foreigners, because that's not a proviso in the Constitution. Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. You either respect what the Constitution says or you don't.

To be clear, I'm not saying that kutter or anyone else has to respect the Constitution. If he or anyone else wants to make it up as they go, that's their prerogative. Just don't be shocked - shocked! when people point out how manifestly illegal such proposals are. That's just silly.

[Gelston]

Oh that was good!

Now do Muslims, LGBTQ People, and victims of sexual assalt.

Oh look, she changes the subject when she doesn't have some BS way to try and weasel out.

[time4fun]

Oh look, she changes the subject when she doesn't have some BS way to try and weasel out.

Except that I was talking about Muslims before he launched in on my family. He was grossly inaccurate and inappropriate in his assessment of my family, and I've no interest in spelling out the facts again for someone who clearly has absolutely no concept or clue about how immigration works in this country.

And to be clear, they're not subjects- they're people. This isn't about rhetorical points- it's about something far more significant and far uglier than that you petty human facsimile.

[time4fun]

Rachel Maddow did. You couldn't grasp the totality of her statement so I was trying to walk you through it piece by piece. It rapidly became clear that this inability was by choice, a clarity you have only reinforced.The Constitution has quite a few parts I left out, yes, because they are not relevant to the conversation at hand. Kutter's point is that the Constitution does not say that foreigners have a protected freedom of religion. This is correct and irrelevant because the Constitution does say Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. It does not matter if a given law respecting an establishment of religion would affect only foreigners, because that's not a proviso in the Constitution. Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. You either respect what the Constitution says or you don't.

To be clear, I'm not saying that kutter or anyone else has to respect the Constitution. If he or anyone else wants to make it up as they go, that's their prerogative. Just don't be shocked - shocked! when people point out how manifestly illegal such proposals are. That's just silly.

It's a step up from flat out denying that the proposal existed in the first place.

[Gelston]

Except that I was talking about Muslims before he launched in on my family. He was grossly inaccurate and inappropriate in his assessment of my family, and I've no interest in spelling out the facts again for someone who clearly has absolutely no concept or clue about how immigration works in this country.

And to be clear, they're not subjects- they're people. This isn't about rhetorical points- it's about something far more significant and far uglier than that you petty human facsimile.

Yes, I get it. Your family is here illegally and in the many, many years since you've been here they have never tried to rectify the situation and now you are scared.

[Tgo01]

And to be clear, they're not subjects- they're people. This isn't about rhetorical points- it's about something far more significant and far uglier than that you petty human facsimile.

The irony is palpable.

Where were you when I posted that video of that homeless black Trump supporter who was assaulted by a group of Hillary supporters? Still don't see a single post from you speaking out against that. I'm going to assume you also didn't go on social media and share the video and said "This shit's got to stop! This is a human being!"

No? Of course not. And that's exactly why your party lost. People DID see that video. They were beyond disgusted. They were even more disgusted watching Democrat after Democrat try to pin the blame on the homeless woman! And you know what they thought? They thought "I don't want someone to be president who encourages this kind of behavior."

They also thought I don't want a party in power that doesn't know how to engage in dialogue anymore, rather all they know how to do is try and shut down any disagreement. Call the other person a racist, sexist, irredeemable un-American deplorable, and that comment came straight from the mouth of your own candidate, and people like you cheered.

Your party doesn't know how to deal with an opposing viewpoint anymore. No no, you insist on safe space echo chambers where you'll always hear the answer you want, you'll always be told you're right, so when reality finally slaps you across the face the only thing you know how to do is revert back to your primal instinct of lashing out. Hillary lost because everyone is sexist and racist and xenophobic! Let's set the city on fire in protest because we no longer know how to engage in a debate!

Just stop time4fun, your party lost because of you. Does it suck for your brother? Yeah. Did you bring this on yourself? OH FUCK YEAH.

You're one of the worst people I am describing. For months now we've all witnessed you go into tirades about how anyone who disagrees with you is just a hate filled racist, angry that a woman is going to be president. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pretending Republicans on this forum don't call people names when they disagree with others, or that you're the only Democrat who does this. But you by far the only person who doesn't put forth any sort of argument. No. Your argument always boils down to "You disagree with me therefore you're a racist." And you're still doing it! Calling everyone who disagrees with you a non-human being.

Shit, even Ashliana, yes, Mr.(Mrs.?) Snopes! him(her?)self, tries to put forth an argument in between all of their insults. WB puts forth arguments between his ad hominems (even though he supposedly doesn't engage in ad hominems lol), WB just so happens to put up straw mans more often than real arguments,.

But no, not you. You'll gleefully ignore when your party is rioting in the street, assaulting Trump supporters, calling the entire country racist and sexist, and you'll focus all of your anger on those despicable people who dared to engage in Democracy by voting for the candidate they thought was best.

Yes. Use Democracy as a shield to stand behind thinking because your candidate is president at the moment it justifies the shit you do because the people voted for your candidate, then attack Democracy the second it doesn't work the way you want it to.

[Androidpk]

Rachel Maddow did. You couldn't grasp the totality of her statement so I was trying to walk you through it piece by piece. It rapidly became clear that this inability was by choice, a clarity you have only reinforced.The Constitution has quite a few parts I left out, yes, because they are not relevant to the conversation at hand. Kutter's point is that the Constitution does not say that foreigners have a protected freedom of religion. This is correct and irrelevant because the Constitution does say Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. It does not matter if a given law respecting an establishment of religion would affect only foreigners, because that's not a proviso in the Constitution. Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. You either respect what the Constitution says or you don't.

To be clear, I'm not saying that kutter or anyone else has to respect the Constitution. If he or anyone else wants to make it up as they go, that's their prerogative. Just don't be shocked - shocked! when people point out how manifestly illegal such proposals are. That's just silly.

She's still wrong. 3rd parties didn't cause Hillary to lose the election.

[Ardwen]

And in other news, clearing the swamp not so much, Priebus will be Chief of Staff. Going to be interesting when Trump starts to use his various homes as official residences and writes them all off on us.

[Tgo01]

It says Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. Regulating immigration on the basis of religion is therefore unconstitutional on its face.

No, it's not.

You know what one of the things people seeking asylum/refugee status to the US can claim? Religious persecution.

Now hmm! According to you this is unconstitutional because it's regulating immigration on the basis of religion.

I take back my earlier statement, I'm not getting tired of winning yet. It's just getting more and more delicious. Maybe in 8 years I'll be tired of winning.

[Androidpk]

The irony is palpable.

Where were you when I posted that video of that homeless black Trump supporter who was assaulted by a group of Hillary supporters? Still don't see a single post from you speaking out against that. I'm going to assume you also didn't go on social media and share the video and said "This shit's got to stop! This is a human being!"

No? Of course not. And that's exactly why your party lost. People DID see that video. They were beyond disgusted. They were even more disgusted watching Democrat after Democrat try to pin the blame on the homeless woman! And you know what they thought? They thought "I don't want someone to be president who encourages this kind of behavior."

They also thought I don't want a party in power that doesn't know how to engage in dialogue anymore, rather all they know how to do is try and shut down any disagreement. Call the other person a racist, sexist, irredeemable un-American deplorable, and that comment came straight from the mouth of your own candidate, and people like you cheered.

Your party doesn't know how to deal with an opposing viewpoint anymore. No no, you insist on safe space echo chambers where you'll always hear the answer you want, you'll always be told you're right, so when reality finally slaps you across the face the only thing you know how to do is revert back to your primal instinct of lashing out. Hillary lost because everyone is sexist and racist and xenophobic! Let's set the city on fire in protest because we no longer know how to engage in a debate!

Just stop time4fun, your party lost because of you. Does it suck for your brother? Yeah. Did you bring this on yourself? OH FUCK YEAH.

You're one of the worst people I am describing. For months now we've all witnessed you go into tirades about how anyone who disagrees with you is just a hate filled racist, angry that a woman is going to be president. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pretending Republicans on this forum don't call people names when they disagree with others, or that you're the only Democrat who does this. But you by far the only person who doesn't put forth any sort of argument. No. Your argument always boils down to "You disagree with me therefore you're a racist." And you're still doing it! Calling everyone who disagrees with you a non-human being.

Shit, even Ashliana, yes, Mr.(Mrs.?) Snopes! him(her?)self, tries to put forth an argument in between all of their insults. WB puts forth arguments between his ad hominems (even though he supposedly doesn't engage in ad hominems lol), WB just so happens to put up straw mans more often than real arguments,.

But no, not you. You'll gleefully ignore when your party is rioting in the street, assaulting Trump supporters, calling the entire country racist and sexist, and you'll focus all of your anger on those despicable people who dared to engage in Democracy by voting for the candidate they thought was best.

Yes. Use Democracy as a shield to stand behind thinking because your candidate is president at the moment it justifies the shit you do because the people voted for your candidate, then attack Democracy the second it doesn't work the way you want it to.


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[Parkbandit]

Except that I was talking about Muslims before he launched in on my family. He was grossly inaccurate and inappropriate in his assessment of my family, and I've no interest in spelling out the facts again for someone who clearly has absolutely no concept or clue about how immigration works in this country.

He was spot on about your "family".. you know the one where in your story, you are the selfish, lazy cunt who wouldn't bother helping her "brother" out? I know you tried to create a story where you would look sympathetic and a victim.. all you did was illustrate how fucking morally bankrupt you are.


And to be clear, they're not subjects- they're people. This isn't about rhetorical points- it's about something far more significant and far uglier than that you petty human facsimile.

And your "brother" is now in trouble because you are a piece of shit sister. It has absolutely zero to do with Trump, Republicans, the KKK, Russia, or any other group you wish to blame your issues on.

Good job.

[Parkbandit]

And in other news, clearing the swamp not so much, Priebus will be Chief of Staff. Going to be interesting when Trump starts to use his various homes as official residences and writes them all off on us.

One of the biggest knocks against Trump (besides his ego and retarded Twitter messages) was that he was ill prepared to be President. I would think that people on the other aisle would applaud him bringing in knowledgeable people to build up his staff with... people that know the ins and outs of the way our government works.

I'm 100% for him draining the swamp.. but in order to do that, he needs to surround himself with the best and brightest in Government.

[Parkbandit]

The irony is palpable.

Where were you when I posted that video of that homeless black Trump supporter who was assaulted by a group of Hillary supporters? Still don't see a single post from you speaking out against that. I'm going to assume you also didn't go on social media and share the video and said "This shit's got to stop! This is a human being!"

No? Of course not. And that's exactly why your party lost. People DID see that video. They were beyond disgusted. They were even more disgusted watching Democrat after Democrat try to pin the blame on the homeless woman! And you know what they thought? They thought "I don't want someone to be president who encourages this kind of behavior."

They also thought I don't want a party in power that doesn't know how to engage in dialogue anymore, rather all they know how to do is try and shut down any disagreement. Call the other person a racist, sexist, irredeemable un-American deplorable, and that comment came straight from the mouth of your own candidate, and people like you cheered.

Your party doesn't know how to deal with an opposing viewpoint anymore. No no, you insist on safe space echo chambers where you'll always hear the answer you want, you'll always be told you're right, so when reality finally slaps you across the face the only thing you know how to do is revert back to your primal instinct of lashing out. Hillary lost because everyone is sexist and racist and xenophobic! Let's set the city on fire in protest because we no longer know how to engage in a debate!

Just stop time4fun, your party lost because of you. Does it suck for your brother? Yeah. Did you bring this on yourself? OH FUCK YEAH.

You're one of the worst people I am describing. For months now we've all witnessed you go into tirades about how anyone who disagrees with you is just a hate filled racist, angry that a woman is going to be president. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pretending Republicans on this forum don't call people names when they disagree with others, or that you're the only Democrat who does this. But you by far the only person who doesn't put forth any sort of argument. No. Your argument always boils down to "You disagree with me therefore you're a racist." And you're still doing it! Calling everyone who disagrees with you a non-human being.

Shit, even Ashliana, yes, Mr.(Mrs.?) Snopes! him(her?)self, tries to put forth an argument in between all of their insults. WB puts forth arguments between his ad hominems (even though he supposedly doesn't engage in ad hominems lol), WB just so happens to put up straw mans more often than real arguments,.

But no, not you. You'll gleefully ignore when your party is rioting in the street, assaulting Trump supporters, calling the entire country racist and sexist, and you'll focus all of your anger on those despicable people who dared to engage in Democracy by voting for the candidate they thought was best.

Yes. Use Democracy as a shield to stand behind thinking because your candidate is president at the moment it justifies the shit you do because the people voted for your candidate, then attack Democracy the second it doesn't work the way you want it to.

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[Neveragain]

Honestly Time4fun, you need to give it up. The middle class is having to decide between a forced shitty healthcare plan and putting food on the table while working 3 part time minimum wage jobs.

Do you seriously think they give a fuck about your vagina, your sexual confusion, your illegal alien brother, housing terrorists and you wanting to kill babies?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEPpwQlRu5M

[Latrinsorm]

No, it's not.

You know what one of the things people seeking asylum/refugee status to the US can claim? Religious persecution.

Now hmm! According to you this is unconstitutional because it's regulating immigration on the basis of religion.These two terms are not the same, so according to me it has nothing whatsoever to do with what we were just talking about.

[Tgo01]

These two terms are not the same, so according to me it has nothing whatsoever to do with what we were just talking about.

So saying "Oh you're Muslim and being persecuted for being Muslim" isn't regulating our immigration based on religion? wut?

Also the supreme court has made it pretty clear that the constitution does not pertain to non-US citizens and to people not currently residing in the US, so how can laws/regulations be unconstitutional when the people they affect aren't protected by the constitution? Hmm?

[kutter]

Rachel Maddow did. You couldn't grasp the totality of her statement so I was trying to walk you through it piece by piece. It rapidly became clear that this inability was by choice, a clarity you have only reinforced.The Constitution has quite a few parts I left out, yes, because they are not relevant to the conversation at hand. Kutter's point is that the Constitution does not say that foreigners have a protected freedom of religion. This is correct and irrelevant because the Constitution does say Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. It does not matter if a given law respecting an establishment of religion would affect only foreigners, because that's not a proviso in the Constitution. Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. You either respect what the Constitution says or you don't.

To be clear, I'm not saying that kutter or anyone else has to respect the Constitution. If he or anyone else wants to make it up as they go, that's their prerogative. Just don't be shocked - shocked! when people point out how manifestly illegal such proposals are. That's just silly.

I have no idea what you are talking about here, as you pointed out the Constitution does not extend its protections to persons who are not subject to US law. I respect what the Constitution says, but I do not extrapolate it to include people that do not enjoy protection as a result of it. This is black letter, not vague in any way shape or form. If you do not have some sort of status in the US then you are not protected by the Constitution so anyone living in a foreign country can not claim they are being discriminated against under the Constitution because they have no protection under the Constitution.


Except that I was talking about Muslims before he launched in on my family. He was grossly inaccurate and inappropriate in his assessment of my family, and I've no interest in spelling out the facts again for someone who clearly has absolutely no concept or clue about how immigration works in this country.

And to be clear, they're not subjects- they're people. This isn't about rhetorical points- it's about something far more significant and far uglier than that you petty human facsimile.

I was grossly inaccurate and inappropriate? Spoken like a true victim. In my current job about 50% of my effort is dedicated to drug interdiction in the deep Caribbean, the other 50% is dedicated to migrant interdiction along US borders. I speak to US Attorneys, Border Patrol, ICE and HSI agents on a daily basis, I would be STUNNED if there was any aspect of our immigration system about which your are more well versed than I am, but you go ahead and continue believing that and being a victim.

And to be clear, they are subjects. Your brother is here illegally, that is a fact and is beyond dispute as you have said. You have already admitted there were options available to you, ie. your bother moving back to the Philippines and going through the process of immigrating legally. You made a conscious choice to not rectify this situation by your own admission because it would be uncomfortable.

Well guess what, life is uncomfortable, why not ask the cremembers of an aircraft carrier that are gone for 9 months from their family defending your right to be such a self indulged whiner. I am pretty sure no one here is all that sympathetic to your personal plight, your brother perhaps in some detached way, not me, but maybe some others, but you, I seriously doubt it. But you go ahead and keep telling us how unfair it is that people that break the law are victims and we should appease them. Not shockingly, you are a Hillary supporter, since clearly, her breaking of the law clearly meant nothing to you.

[Parkbandit]

I have no idea what you are talking about here, as you pointed out the Constitution does not extend its protections to persons who are not subject to US law. I respect what the Constitution says, but I do not extrapolate it to include people that do not enjoy protection as a result of it. This is black letter, not vague in any way shape or form. If you do not have some sort of status in the US then you are not protected by the Constitution so anyone living in a foreign country can not claim they are being discriminated against under the Constitution because they have no protection under the Constitution.



I was grossly inaccurate and inappropriate? Spoken like a true victim. In my current job about 50% of my effort is dedicated to drug interdiction in the deep Caribbean, the other 50% is dedicated to migrant interdiction along US borders. I speak to US Attorneys, Border Patrol, ICE and HSI agents on a daily basis, I would be STUNNED if there was any aspect of our immigration system about which your or more well versed than I am, but you go ahead and continue believing that and being a victim.

And to be clear, they are subjects. Your brother is here illegally, that is a fact and is beyond dispute as you have said. You have already admitted there were options available to you, ie. your bother moving back to the Philippines and going through the process of immigrating legally. You made a conscious choice to not rectify this situation by your own admission because it would be uncomfortable.

Well guess what, life is uncomfortable, why not ask the cremembers of an aircraft carrier that are gone for 9 months from their family defending your right to be such a self indulged whiner. I am pretty sure no one here is all that sympathetic to your personal plight, your brother perhaps in some detached way, not me, but maybe some others, but you, I seriously doubt it. But you go ahead and keep telling us how unfair it is that people that break the law are victims and we should appease them. Not shockingly, you are a Hillary supporter, since clearly, her breaking of the law clearly meant nothing to you.


Well said.

I doubt if much of her stories on this forum have any truth to them though. She comes across more like a white guy who lives with his grandmother in the back woods of Virginia and just waiting for her to die so he can inherit her house. He spends his time online trying to figure out how he didn't get rich and successful and believes he found out why.

[ClydeR]

Kutter's point is that the Constitution does not say that foreigners have a protected freedom of religion. This is correct and irrelevant because the Constitution does say Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. It does not matter if a given law respecting an establishment of religion would affect only foreigners, because that's not a proviso in the Constitution. Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. You either respect what the Constitution says or you don't.


Take it one more step. If Congress passes a law respecting the establishment of religion, notwithstanding the First Amendment, what can be done about it? If you are an American resident who is personally and directly adversely affected the law, then you can go to court to enforce the Constitution. If you are not an American resident, then you cannot sue to enforce the Constitution, because you do not enjoy its protections. If the aggrieved foreigner cannot sue to enforce the Constitution, is there any American resident who can sue on his behalf? Probably not. Surely you do not think Congress should have to obey the Constitution if no one can punish them for violating it.

[Neveragain]

Now the leftist freak show is blaming white women for Clinton's loss.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/14/fmr-clinton-campaign-spox-internalized-misogyny-is-a-real-thing/

By 2018 the Democrats will have nothing but Moonbats supporting their party, this is delicious.

[Fallen]

One of the biggest knocks against Trump (besides his ego and retarded Twitter messages) was that he was ill prepared to be President. I would think that people on the other aisle would applaud him bringing in knowledgeable people to build up his staff with... people that know the ins and outs of the way our government works.

I'm 100% for him draining the swamp.. but in order to do that, he needs to surround himself with the best and brightest in Government.

I agree. While it would be nice for him to have a truly fresh start, it would also result in a likely disastrous learning curve if no one had high level governmental experience.

[Latrinsorm]

So saying "Oh you're Muslim and being persecuted for being Muslim" isn't regulating our immigration based on religion? wut?No, it's regulating our immigration based on persecution. That's why there are many other categories of persecution relevant to refugee status, and it's why "Oh you're Muslim" on its own has absolutely no bearing on immigration.
Also the supreme court has made it pretty clear that the constitution does not pertain to non-US citizens and to people not currently residing in the US, so how can laws/regulations be unconstitutional when the people they affect aren't protected by the constitution? Hmm?Because the Constitution in this case does not pertain to citizens at all, it pertains to a religion.
I have no idea what you are talking about here, as you pointed out the Constitution does not extend its protections to persons who are not subject to US law. I respect what the Constitution says, but I do not extrapolate it to include people that do not enjoy protection as a result of it. This is black letter, not vague in any way shape or form. If you do not have some sort of status in the US then you are not protected by the Constitution so anyone living in a foreign country can not claim they are being discriminated against under the Constitution because they have no protection under the Constitution.Again, you're not reading what the Constitution actually says. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is a direct quote, unabridged, unaltered. The proposal would be a law respecting an establishment of religion, therefore it is not constitutional. Nothing else matters, only what the Constitution says.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

One of the biggest knocks against Trump (besides his ego and retarded Twitter messages) was that he was ill prepared to be President. I would think that people on the other aisle would applaud him bringing in knowledgeable people to build up his staff with... people that know the ins and outs of the way our government works.

I'm 100% for him draining the swamp.. but in order to do that, he needs to surround himself with the best and brightest in Government.

Twitter: Social Engineering

Also he managed to social engineer a peace with Russia which frankly WAS worrying as fuck, as not even president-elect.

I tend to agree with you. Other people are wigging the fuck out. He needs people who intimately get the shit he's dealing with to do a damn thing with it.

I also want to say I feel filthy because post election cycle I'm spending more time on your side than "my own", bwahaha.

[drauz]

No, it's regulating our immigration based on persecution. That's why there are many other categories of persecution relevant to refugee status, and it's why "Oh you're Muslim" on its own has absolutely no bearing on immigration.Because the Constitution in this case does not pertain to citizens at all, it pertains to a religion.Again, you're not reading what the Constitution actually says. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is a direct quote, unabridged, unaltered. The proposal would be a law respecting an establishment of religion, therefore it is not constitutional. Nothing else matters, only what the Constitution says.

Ok, so you have no problem with heavy vetting of people from known countries that harbor terrorists?

[Parkbandit]

I also want to say I feel filthy because post election cycle I'm spending more time on your side than "my own", bwahaha.


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[Warriorbird]

Twitter: Social Engineering

Also he managed to social engineer a peace with Russia which frankly WAS worrying as fuck, as not even president-elect.

I tend to agree with you. Other people are wigging the fuck out. He needs people who intimately get the shit he's dealing with to do a damn thing with it.

I also want to say I feel filthy because post election cycle I'm spending more time on your side than "my own", bwahaha.

I'm comforted by a fair amount of what he's done apart from his Supreme Court picks and Breitbart guy.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

His lobbyist rhetoric and term limits stance should make every American happy. I'm doubtful anything gets done about it, but love that it's actually a topic of national discussion.

[Ardwen]

again is it a ban from lobbying or also from consulting, there are bans now, they get ignored by many people, consult for the lobbyists dont' become a lobbyist, its comical really.

[Latrinsorm]

Ok, so you have no problem with heavy vetting of people from known countries that harbor terrorists?The First Amendment does not have a problem with limiting or even outright banning people from a certain country. You want to close the door on all Syrian refugees, the First Amendment doesn't care. I personally would find it abhorrent and pathetic, but it wouldn't be unconstitutional.

Even if you were to make a list of such countries and mysteriously left out countries like Ireland and Israel, leaving only Muslim majority countries, you probably still would be able to skate by. You'd just have to make sure you did nothing to grease the skids for Syriac Christians (e.g.), then you'd definitely get in trouble.

[Latrinsorm]

His lobbyist rhetoric and term limits stance should make every American happy. I'm doubtful anything gets done about it, but love that it's actually a topic of national discussion.Term limits are a smoke screen. If voters can't tell (or don't care that) a politician who has been in office is corrupt, they can't tell a politician who hasn't been in is either. It's a big noise to make you feel better while the alleged people behind the scenes stay as powerful as ever.

[Thondalar]

Term limits are a smoke screen. If voters can't tell (or don't care that) a politician who has been in office is corrupt, they can't tell a politician who hasn't been in is either. It's a big noise to make you feel better while the alleged people behind the scenes stay as powerful as ever.

This is exactly false. Not having term limits allows what you're talking about. Having them gives the opportunity to MAYBE have a non-corrupt person come into office now and then.

[Latrinsorm]

This is exactly false. Not having term limits allows what you're talking about. Having them gives the opportunity to MAYBE have a non-corrupt person come into office now and then.This is just as internally inconsistent, though. An organization powerful enough to corrupt a sitting US Senator but not enough to corrupt a candidate for that office? It makes no sense. Heck, why would this organization sit around and wait for the general? Start corrupting right in the primaries. People in office have a public track record, voters can see they gave your organization massive bailouts or shady tax loopholes or huge tracts of land or whatever. If anything you're doing this organization a favor by demanding term limits. Joe Outsider Goes to Clean Up Washington! Voters eat that up with a spoon no matter how many times you shovel it in the trough, and you've got Steve Outsider prepped and ready to go for the next election.

[Thondalar]

This is just as internally inconsistent, though. An organization powerful enough to corrupt a sitting US Senator but not enough to corrupt a candidate for that office? It makes no sense. Heck, why would this organization sit around and wait for the general? Start corrupting right in the primaries. People in office have a public track record, voters can see they gave your organization massive bailouts or shady tax loopholes or huge tracts of land or whatever. If anything you're doing this organization a favor by demanding term limits. Joe Outsider Goes to Clean Up Washington! Voters eat that up with a spoon no matter how many times you shovel it in the trough, and you've got Steve Outsider prepped and ready to go for the next election.

Corruption isn't that quick, in our system. The primary form is re-election assistance.

[Latrinsorm]

Corruption isn't that quick, in our system. The primary form is re-election assistance.Let's assume for sake of argument this is true. In the world where term limits exist, why wouldn't the corrupting force shift their efforts to plain old election assistance?