Trump's VP [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Parkbandit

07-14-2016, 02:06 PM

Really? Why? Disappointed.

No idea. I guess he was considered the "safe" pick.. but I'm surprised Trump went with safe.

I knew it wouldn't be Christie.. he will probably be the AG. Honestly, I thought it would be Gingrich.

What does Pence bring to the ticket? I guess a politician, someone who Trump said he wanted to help him navigate the bureaucracy.

I honestly don't know much about him.

:shrug:

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 02:17 PM

Guy sounds like a complete loser.

In Congress, Pence was a champion of conservative and religious causes. He voted against measures aimed at preventing LGBT discrimination and helping families in poverty, and he supported federal legislation prohibiting same-sex marriage. As governor of Indiana, Pence has brought this Religious Right-friendly agenda to the state and enacted a number of stringent socially conservative measures.

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 02:18 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-president-abortion-gay

Warriorbird

07-14-2016, 02:29 PM

For the conservative Christian vote. Like Hillary will chase the Latino vote, most likely.

Kembal

07-14-2016, 02:43 PM

For the conservative Christian vote.

Yeah, that. Pence literally doesn't bring anything else to the ticket otherwise.

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 03:02 PM

On his campaign site in 2000, Pence wrote that smoking “doesn’t kill (http://web.archive.org/web/20010415085348/http://mikepence.com/smoke.html)” and concerns about the lethal impact of smoking were a product of “hysteria from the political class and the media.”

Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer.

Pence said that the real danger to the public was not cigarettes but “back-handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.”

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 03:03 PM

While other legislators around the country started to ease tough drug sentences, Pence pushed for draconian marijuana penalties (http://www.mintpressnews.com/backed-by-prison-indiana-governor-proposes-tougher-marijuana-laws/58595/) as governor in 2013, explicitly raising the concern that low-level drug offenders were not facing sufficient punishment.

This year, he signed into law new mandatory minimums (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/4/1/1198564/-Indiana-Governor-Rewards-Private-Prison-Lobby-with-Draconian-Marijuana-Punishments) for certain kinds of drug use and distribution. As he’s overseen these harsh sentencing initiatives, he’s raked in cash from the private prison lobby, particularly from GEO Group, which operates a prison in Indiana and was one of the biggest donors to Pence’s campaigns.

But Pence’s penchant for private prisons started decades ago, when he ran a think tank in the 1990s that called for prisons to be privatized and suggested that inmates be required to work to pay for the costs of their own incarceration (https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/753631874988150784).

ClydeR

07-14-2016, 03:05 PM

Yeah, that. Pence literally doesn't bring anything else to the ticket otherwise.

Unless it's money. The Trump campaign needs money. Trump either does not have the cash necessary to finance his campaign, or he's unwilling to spend it. Pence has the support of the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers planned (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/koch-2016-spending-goal-114604) to spend $900 million on the 2016 campaign, but they had second thoughts when Trump won the nomination. Pence is a Koch favorite. The question is whether they like him enough to spend heavily when he is just a VP candidate. You can be sure Trump explored that question in making his decision, just as he considered whether Adelson's fondness for Gingrich would translate into financial support with Gingrich on the ticket.

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 03:05 PM

People already on the fence about Trump are just going to be even more turned off if he does pick Pence for his VP running mate.

ClydeR

07-14-2016, 03:07 PM

Unless it's money.

I almost forgot hair! Pence has the best hair on any nationally known politician. He completely balances out Trump's hair issues.

Tgo01

07-14-2016, 03:08 PM

In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness

So only 1 out of 3 smokers die from a smoking related illness?

Well shit I'm convinced, I'm going to start smoking 4 packs a day.

Parkbandit

07-14-2016, 03:17 PM

People already on the fence about Trump are just going to be even more turned off if he does pick Pence for his VP running mate.

If he's securing the Conservative Bible thumper.. I don't think they are more turned off.

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 03:25 PM

So only 1 out of 3 smokers die from a smoking related illness?

Well shit I'm convinced, I'm going to start smoking 4 packs a day.

Doctors recommend Camel Lites.

Archigeek

07-14-2016, 03:26 PM

He's also been terrible for education. I have a conservative friend in Indiana who can't stand him, largely because of his positions on education and his bullying approach to their state education superintendent Glenda Ritz.

Velfi

07-14-2016, 03:29 PM

ClydeR

07-14-2016, 09:58 PM

Pence is a Koch favorite. The question is whether they like him enough to spend heavily when he is just a VP candidate.

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has been a favorite of the Koch political operation and a featured speaker at Koch-backed events. But that doesn't mean his selection to be Donald Trump's running mate would mobilize the network of conservative nonprofit groups in support of the Republican presidential ticket.

"It doesn't change our engagement on the presidential," James Davis, a spokesman for Freedom Partners, the network's funding arm, said on Thursday. "We are going to remain focused on the Senate."

More... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/14/pence-pick-as-trumps-running-mate-would-not-bring-koch-network-off-the-sidelines/)

Uh oh. That's not good for Pence's chances. Trump announced that he is postponing the announcement of his VP.

SHAFT

07-14-2016, 10:01 PM

ClydeR for VP

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 10:26 PM

Uh oh. That's not good for Pence's chances. Trump announced that he is postponing the announcement of his VP.

Koch brothers aren't interested in Pence when they're rallying behind Clinton.

~Rocktar~

07-14-2016, 11:28 PM

Not the best choice, I would have thought Gingrich but whatever. I would wager that Gingrich likely got offered something pretty significant if Trump wins as well.

Androidpk

07-14-2016, 11:40 PM

Not the best choice, I would have thought Gingrich but whatever. I would wager that Gingrich likely got offered something pretty significant if Trump wins as well.

That's like saying Palin wasn't the best choice.. -_-

~Rocktar~

07-14-2016, 11:56 PM

Actually I dislike Palan.

drauz

07-14-2016, 11:58 PM

That's like saying Palin wasn't the best choice.. -_-

That woman is a national treasure, she stares down Putin every day!

Androidpk

07-15-2016, 12:04 AM

Actually I dislike Palan.

Do you like Pence?

~Rocktar~

07-15-2016, 12:12 AM

Do you like Pence?

I like him more than Palin. I am not all that fond of him and his past positions. I have said many times that the Republican Party needs a divorce from the religious right and to get out of the pulpit.

Kembal

07-15-2016, 01:08 PM

Shaps

07-15-2016, 01:25 PM

I don't like Pence as his pick myself, but I will have to do more research on him I suppose. But not liking what I'm hearing so far.

I had sort of hoped that Trump would really do something crazy, yet IMO would have been an amazing pick for VP... someone like Dianne Feinstein. But she is way to old for it I suppose. But I like her stance/experience with international and security matters. The fact she is a Democrat might actually lead to some bipartisan compromise in Government moving forward. But as stands, sounds like another ho hum election cycle.

Parkbandit

07-15-2016, 01:39 PM

So let me get this straight....Trump delays the news conference to announce its Pence out of "respect" for the victims in Nice, and then ends up tweeting that its Pence at the exact same time he was supposed to have the news conference?

Yeah, there's no respect involved here, he must've screwed something up and felt he needed extra time. (and then forgot Pence had a filing deadline of noon to drop out of the Indiana governor's race)

Is that what happened in your head?

OR.. he didn't want a big news conference while the tragedy in Nice is unfolding and he had to announce it prior to noon today, so he did it via Twitter?

Parkbandit

07-15-2016, 01:40 PM

Shaps

07-15-2016, 02:18 PM

WTF? Feinstein as Trump's VP?

She's an idiot.

Sexist. Bet you hate gay people and african-Americans too. Damn Conservative Republican sleaze.

Enuch

07-15-2016, 02:34 PM

Hey once Pences hamstring heals, that will be a solid addition back to the Giants bullpen and to America in general! I commend Trumps pick!

Kembal

07-15-2016, 02:55 PM

Is that what happened in your head?

OR.. he didn't want a big news conference while the tragedy in Nice is unfolding and he had to announce it prior to noon today, so he did it via Twitter?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/chris-christie-s-no-good-very-bad-week-n609751

He hadn't informed Christie that it was going to be Pence before the news leaked.

EDIT: Even better...he was looking to back out of picking Pence. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-midnight-calls-pence-change-mind

Parkbandit

07-15-2016, 04:43 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/chris-christie-s-no-good-very-bad-week-n609751

He hadn't informed Christie that it was going to be Pence before the news leaked.

EDIT: Even better...he was looking to back out of picking Pence. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-midnight-calls-pence-change-mind

Well shit.. you have unnamed sources confirming this.

I'm completely convinced now.. because I KNOW there is NO WAY an unbiased source like NBC "News" would try to make Trump look bad.

Kembal

07-15-2016, 05:34 PM

Well shit.. you have unnamed sources confirming this.

I'm completely convinced now.. because I KNOW there is NO WAY an unbiased source like NBC "News" would try to make Trump look bad.

Right, because Trump has absolutely no track record of changing his mind, at all. :thinking:

EDIT: Why is the rolleyes smiley broken?

Gelston

07-15-2016, 07:14 PM

Well that was quick...

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13690632_1158282897567508_2920950450866685997_n.jp g?oh=1c60a5eb72b394429a36710c9f98a051&oe=57EA5F5B

Androidpk

07-15-2016, 07:32 PM

EDIT: Why is the rolleyes smiley broken?

It has been broken for a few years now :(

Viekn

07-15-2016, 08:02 PM

Well that was quick...

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13690632_1158282897567508_2920950450866685997_n.jp g?oh=1c60a5eb72b394429a36710c9f98a051&oe=57EA5F5B

LOL!! First time I saw that one. SWEET! You'd think someone would have caught that. Must not be too many Beavis and Butthead watchers on the staff to have figured that out before hand.

Fallen

07-15-2016, 08:33 PM

Haha. Awesome.

Jarvan

07-15-2016, 08:50 PM

Right, because Trump has absolutely no track record of changing his mind, at all. :thinking:

EDIT: Why is the rolleyes smiley broken?

Right... because the Nobody But Clinton "news" would have no reason at all to try to make Trump look bad.

drauz

07-16-2016, 12:52 AM

http://i.imgur.com/lRqJrvn.gif

Kembal

07-16-2016, 06:15 PM

Right... because the Nobody But Clinton "news" would have no reason at all to try to make Trump look bad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/politics/mike-pence-donald-trump-vice-president.html

That's three sources, NBC, CNN, and the New York Times, reporting that Trump considered backing out.

Between that and the logo, Trump's well on his way to obscuring whatever problems Clinton has.

Parkbandit

07-17-2016, 10:48 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/politics/mike-pence-donald-trump-vice-president.html

That's three sources, NBC, CNN, and the New York Times, reporting that Trump considered backing out.

If you had to guess... pure speculation on your part... which way, as a company do you believe they are leaning towards...

Trump or Clinton?

Just be honest.

Between that and the logo, Trump's well on his way to obscuring whatever problems Clinton has.

So between Trump picking Pence and the logo (which I don't understand by the way), you believe that in your mind, that completely obscures any silly email, minor security and crazy pay to play conspiracy theories that Hillary has surrounding her?

Androidpk

07-17-2016, 02:01 PM

So between Trump picking Pence and the logo (which I don't understand by the way), you believe that in your mind, that completely obscures any silly email, minor security and crazy pay to play conspiracy theories that Hillary has surrounding her?

Never underestimate the stupidity of voters.

Wrathbringer

07-17-2016, 02:07 PM

Never underestimate the stupidity of voters.

Example: Obama. Twice.

Androidpk

07-17-2016, 02:09 PM

Example: Obama. Twice.

preceded by Bush and clinton

Shaps

07-17-2016, 04:32 PM

preceded by Bush and clinton

If only we could elect Bruce Wayne and Professor X for a ticket. The US would be unstoppable.

Kembal

07-17-2016, 04:42 PM

If you had to guess... pure speculation on your part... which way, as a company do you believe they are leaning towards...

Trump or Clinton?

Just be honest.

NYT? Clinton.

CNN? Whoever's better for their bottom line.

NBC - don't watch, can't say.

Still doesn't obscure the reporting.

So between Trump picking Pence and the logo (which I don't understand by the way), you believe that in your mind, that completely obscures any silly email, minor security and crazy pay to play conspiracy theories that Hillary has surrounding her?

In my opinion, the Trump campaign is a group of disorganized buffoons that have no clue how to run a general election campaign. Trump's still only got 70 paid staffers. Clinton's got 700. He's still running no ads. Clinton's been running ads in all the battleground states. It's going to become more and more apparent to the general electorate about how badly he's running his campaign as we get closer to Election Day. This stuff matters.

ClydeR

07-17-2016, 05:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64
You're unsuited for the rage of war,
So pack up; go home; you're through.
How could I make a man out of you?

When Donald Trump’s running mate Mike Pence was a talk radio show host in Indiana, he wrote an op-ed declaring the film Mulan was an attempt by some “mischievous liberal” at Disney to influence the debate over women in the military.

More... (https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mister-ill-make-a-man-out-of-you)

“Despite her delicate features and voice, Disney expects us to believe that Mulan’s ingenuity and courage were enough to carry her to military success on an equal basis with her cloddish cohorts,” wrote Pence. “Obviously, this is Walt Disney’s attempt to add childhood expectation to the cultural debate over the role of women in the military.”

Candor

07-17-2016, 05:42 PM

Pence seems to be a decent choice (although I say that without any serious research) but it doesn't change anything for me - I won't vote for Trump. I will be voting Libertarian this election.

Gelston

07-17-2016, 05:44 PM

Pence seems to be a decent choice (although I say that without any serious research) but it doesn't change anything for me - I won't vote for Trump. I will be throwing away my vote this election.

ftfy

Wrathbringer

07-17-2016, 05:47 PM

I'm retarded

Ftfy.

Gelston

07-17-2016, 06:06 PM

I eat roaches while having sex with tree knots.

ftfy

Wrathbringer

07-17-2016, 06:19 PM

i smell like rotten diseased ass.

Ftfy

Gelston

07-17-2016, 06:22 PM

I ate out my grandfather's rotten diseased ass.

ftfy

Parkbandit

07-17-2016, 06:33 PM

NYT? Clinton.

CNN? Whoever's better for their bottom line.

NBC - don't watch, can't say.

Still doesn't obscure the reporting.

If a newspaper or news channel is in the tank for a specific political side, it most certainly does obscure the reporting. You honestly would have to be a naive fool to believe that it doesn't.

In my opinion, the Trump campaign is a group of disorganized buffoons that have no clue how to run a general election campaign. Trump's still only got 70 paid staffers. Clinton's got 700. He's still running no ads. Clinton's been running ads in all the battleground states. It's going to become more and more apparent to the general electorate about how badly he's running his campaign as we get closer to Election Day. This stuff matters.

Trump has only 70 staffers and hasn't been running ads.. yet is in a dead heat with Clinton.

Buffoons indeed.

ClydeR

07-20-2016, 10:08 AM

Kasich really blew it.

One day this past May, Donald Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., reached out to a senior adviser to Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, who left the presidential race just a few weeks before. As a candidate, Kasich declared in March that Trump was “really not prepared to be president of the United States,” and the following month he took the highly unusual step of coordinating with his rival Senator Ted Cruz in an effort to deny Trump the nomination. But according to the Kasich adviser (who spoke only under the condition that he not be named), Donald Jr. wanted to make him an offer nonetheless: Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history?

When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

“Making America great again” was the casual reply.

More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html)