Brexit Poll: In or Out?

[Fallen]

Feel free to respond with why you voted the way you did.

For those looking to educate themselves: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-brexit-vote-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-referendum-2016-06-07

[Gelston]

I respond with I'm not a UK citizen so I have no say on the matter. It always annoys the fuck out of me when they try to tell us what to do with gun laws and crap, so I generally don't toss my opinion around on their issues.

[Fallen]

I respond with I'm not a UK citizen so I have no say on the matter. It always annoys the fuck out of me when they try to tell us what to do with gun laws and crap, so I generally don't toss my opinion around on their issues.

I doubt the good citizens of Great Britain are keeping a close eye on the results of this poll.

[Allereli]

tacos?

[Gelston]

I doubt the good citizens of Great Britain are keeping a close eye on the results of this poll.

We have some of those on these very forums.

[Taernath]

I doubt the good citizens of Great Britain are keeping a close eye on the results of this poll.

Someone PM Nienique (sp)

[Parkbandit]

Leave now before it goes down the shitter.

[ClydeR]

Bismark said that most important fact of the 20th Century would be that North Americans would speak English. He was right, of course, or at least it was the most important fact for Europeans. Is it nostalgia or realism for England to think that its interests will continue to align with US interests throughout the 21st Century?

To turn this topic into an important issue, I point out that Donald Trump favors Brexit. Hillary Clinton opposes Brexit. Tomorrow's referendum in England is really about the US presidency and England's continued close relationship with the US. England will be more useful to the US if it is not part of the EU.

[Elvenlady]

To turn this topic into an important issue, I point out that Donald Trump favors Brexit. Hillary Clinton opposes Brexit. Tomorrow's referendum in England is really about the US presidency and England's continued close relationship with the US. England will be more useful to the US if it is not part of the EU.

Not to be pedantic but the UK is more than just England; we are also Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and it's likely that the outcome of the referendum will have a different impact on each nationality.

[~Rocktar~]

They should bail before the house of Soros, and other elitist twats, falls and takes them with it. Germany and possibly France will follow since they are the only decent economies that are not already near collapse due to the invasion of middle eastern colonists/refugees/invaders. Though in all honesty, I don't think France will survive, they have gone way too far down the rabbit hole to come back any time soon.

[Gelston]

Not to be pedantic but the UK is more than just England; we are also Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and it's likely that the outcome of the referendum will have a different impact on each nationality.

ANOTHER BRITISH PERSON!

[Stunseed]

I think Brexit would have a huge ripple effect in a lot of areas. Other countries would quickly cut ties and make huge waves, especially Germany with its exports. As someone in travel, I know it will have a large effect in that area as EasyJet and RyanAir are already making excuses and it hasn't even happened yet.

[ClydeR]

Not to be pedantic but the UK is more than just England; we are also Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and it's likely that the outcome of the referendum will have a different impact on each nationality.

If England forces Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland out of the EU against their will, or if Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland force England to stay in the EU against its will, then there may be no more UK.

[Gelston]

If England forces Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland out of the EU against their will, or if Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland force England to stay in the EU against its will, then there may be no more UK.

Uh, yeah there would be.

[Androidpk]

The UK should join the US.

[Gelston]

The UK should join the US.

I do love chicks with an English accent.

[Androidpk]

I do love chicks with an English accent.

What about dudes with an English accent? Sexist.

[Gelston]

What about dudes with an English accent? Sexist.

Guess I am. I'm racist too. I only like white women.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I voted leave because the EU appears to be about as useless as the UN

[Parkbandit]

I voted leave because the EU appears to be about as useless as the UN

And your journey towards the Dark Side is now complete.

[Warriorbird]

It'd be one thing if they actually got to vote for the EU people or really make democratic decisions. It isn't like a choice to be in America or not. Leave.

[Androidpk]

I voted leave because the EU appears to be about as useless as the UN

I would wager the EU has slightly more use than the UN.

[Jeril]

I would wager the EU has slightly more use than the UN.

And what do you think the difference between slightly and about is?

[Androidpk]

And what do you think the difference between slightly and about is?

12 horts.

[Tisket]

I'm withholding my opinion until Nieninque tells me what it is.

[Gelston]

I'm withholding my opinion until Nieninque tells me what it is.

I'm withholding my opinion until I become a British citizen. (Never, I'm wanted in that country too, such an outlaw.)

[Androidpk]

I'm withholding my opinion until I become a British citizen. (Never, I'm wanted in that country too, such an outlaw.)

Wanted? No one wants you, Gelstona.

[Shaps]

I personally think they should leave the EU. Though I like the idea of Nations, not one world. Allow people to have their traditions, national identities, and laws that they live by.

Homogenizing everyone is a bad idea IMO. Plus it makes the world a less interesting place.

That goes for US business expansion also (like it economically, hate it from a personal perspective). Recall a time I was in Greece, and someone I was with wanted to go to an Applebee's (or maybe Ruby Tuesday)... I couldn't believe it. We're in Greece and they want to just go to a familiar US invention. Of course they went there, and I went to a local outdoor restaurant and enjoyed an evening with the locals. Much more fun IMO.

[Gelston]

Wanted? No one wants you, Gelstona.

I owe the Scottish Government a 400 pound fine for destroying like 40 meters of hedgerow.

[Shaps]

I owe the Scottish Government a 400 pound fine for destroying like 40 meters of hedgerow.

Lol.. I think I still owe a few hundred Euro in Germany for speeding. Of course they should stop you, as opposed to sending mail asking for it, as I'd already left the country.

[Gelston]

Lol.. I think I still owe a few hundred Euro in Germany for speeding. Of course they should stop you, as opposed to sending mail asking for it, as I'd already left the country.

They said I could pay it online, it was about 5 or 6 years ago. In the US that turns into a warrant, I'm pretty sure it does there too... I'll just have to pay it before I ever decide to go to the UK.

[Taernath]

I owe the Scottish Government a 400 pound fine for destroying like 40 meters of hedgerow.

I owe Germany a few hundred Euro for vehicle disposal fees. They'll never catch me!

[Gelston]

I owe Germany a few hundred Euro for vehicle disposal fees. They'll never catch me!

Angela Merkel is going to fuck you up worse than Greece.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

And what do you think the difference between slightly and about is?

I open the distance with 20 sexy Tiskets.

[Deschamps]

At the very least, they should kick Greece out. Their economy is a fucking disgrace.

For reference I have dual British/Canadian citizenship and I've sent some contract work to England and Ireland.

Honestly, I don't think the UK needs the rest of the EU other than Germany, but since both economies would survive individually, and I don't really care about the rest of the union... yeah. Break it up.

EDIT: Apparently I don't get to vote, though. Never mind.

[Fallen]

At the very least, they should kick Greece out. Their economy is a fucking disgrace.

For reference I have dual British/Canadian citizenship and I've sent some contract work to England and Ireland.

Honestly, I don't think the UK needs the rest of the EU other than Germany, but since both economies would survive individually, and I don't really care about the rest of the union... yeah. Break it up.

EDIT: Apparently I don't get to vote, though. Never mind.

Sorry about that. Only left it open 24 hours so as to be reflective of the actual vote.

[Fallen]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clq9zubWkAAZMvA.jpg

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I vote Fallen must leave and his lady love has to linger

[drauz]

I would vote to leave just because of the terrible countries that are in it (economically speaking).

[Fallen]

Going to be a tight race. Polls keep swinging back and forth. Leave is currently in the lead.

[ClydeR]

Trump is flying to the UK right now. His ancestral Scottish relatives have not been kind to him as the tries to improve their country with a golf course. He'll be in Scotland tomorrow morning to rub it in.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/politics/donald-trump-scotland-golf-course/






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4jw888Vclo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4jw888Vclo

[ClydeR]

What will happen to the stock market tomorrow? The Pound is sinking right now.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04xOsNW7zTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04xOsNW7zTA

[Gelston]

You guys do know the referendum isn't binding, right? The UK Government can still do whatever it wants, regardless of the vote.

[Androidpk]

They could but would they?

[Gelston]

They could but would they?

I imagine it is already decided. This wouldn't be the first time a Government in Europe has gone against a referendum either.

[Warriorbird]

I imagine it is already decided. This wouldn't be the first time a Government in Europe has gone against a referendum either.

I don't know if the British equivalent of an establishment conservative would go against the angry vox populi. He's probably out one way or another for allowing England's economy to tank.

FiveThirtyEight's take on the possible economic results.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-brexit-could-mean-for-the-economy/

[Gelston]

I don't know if the British equivalent of an establishment conservative would go against the angry vox populi. He's probably out one way or another for allowing England's economy to tank.

FiveThirtyEight's take on the possible economic results.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-brexit-could-mean-for-the-economy/

Well, it is going towards leave... And I think the Government has been wanting to leave anyways... They've never been all in like the other nations in there have been anyways, and that is for a reason.

[Androidpk]

Who cares, USA had the greatest Brexit of all time.

[Merala]

Who cares, USA had the greatest Brexit of all time.

Not gonna lie, this kinda made me laugh.

[Gelston]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612368

and the Referendum has hit the numbers required to be officially declared a leave vote.

Now to see what the Government decides to do.

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[Jarvan]

It is gana be interesting

[drauz]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028


Prime Minister David Cameron is to step down by October after the UK voted to leave the European Union.
Speaking outside 10 Downing Street, he said he would attempt to "steady the ship" over the coming weeks and months but that "fresh leadership" was needed.
The PM had urged the country to vote Remain but was defeated by 52% to 48% despite London, Scotland and Northern Ireland backing staying in.
UKIP leader Nigel Farage hailed it as the UK's "independence day".

[Fallen]

I was definitely wrong about how I thought this one would play out. This vote likely spells the end of the United Kingdom as it stands now, as I think most of the smaller territories wanted to stay in.

[StrayRogue]

Scotland are certainly going to vote for independence when they next get the chance. Ireland may also look to finally unify and splinter off. What a fuck up.

[Winter]

I was definitely wrong about how I thought this one would play out. This vote likely spells the end of the United Kingdom as it stands now, as I think most of the smaller territories wanted to stay in.

I live in East Cheshire and voted to remain, I had intended to vote leave but after listening to the independant experts imo on balance I thought we'd be insane to leave the EU. I think you're probably right though, Nicola Sturgeon will initiate another referendum on Scottish independance once their oil prices have gone back up and this time they will leave. Wales will stay in the UK, and Northern Ireland would never agree to a reunification with Ireland, you'd sooner see them join some sort of Scottish union. I feel sorry for Gibraltar as they're pretty much screwed, Spain is going to exploit this outcome to kingdom come and make the peninuslar's life a misery.

[Fallen]

I have to read up on Ireland/N. Ireland's situation as I'm unfamiliar with the particulars of that region in regards to a unification vote. Anyone have any favored sources on the subject?

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y

[Fallen]

Seems like a pretty non-biased take on the whole issue.


I feel sorry for Gibraltar as they're pretty much screwed, Spain is going to exploit this outcome to kingdom come and make the peninuslar's life a misery.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36618796

Sounds about right.

[drauz]

Heres the other bias


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQAPRtOoXI

[Jarvan]

Heres the other bias


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQAPRtOoXI

This guys film was kinda freaky. Sometimes horrible angles. Changing them at the drop of a hat for no reason.

[Androidpk]

This guys film was kinda freaky. Sometimes horrible angles. Changing them at the drop of a hat for no reason.

As a former videographer I agree. Some really terrible camera work and editing going on there, especially all the shitty zooming in and out.

[Parkbandit]

Good.

[drauz]

This guys film was kinda freaky. Sometimes horrible angles. Changing them at the drop of a hat for no reason.

He made terrible points. Like Siemens was going to pull out of their wind turbines, the food regulations (like UK couldn't just make those laws themselves), and then the terrorists will win bit at the end. He barely touched on the migrant crisis, the biggest deal for a lot of people. Or so I've read.

The other video though, made some very strong points.

[Taernath]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/436/986/4cd.jpg

[Deschamps]

Do people think wind turbines actually work?

I mean, without taxpayer subsidies and grants.

[drauz]

They work and they will last as long as the human race will. The technology is only improving. At some point we will run out of fossil fuels and its probably good to be developing these renewable ways to generate power. It won't be in my lifetime or even the next 2 generations, but it will happen.

[Methais]

We have some of those on these very forums.

He said *good* citizens.

[ClydeR]

What will happen to the stock market tomorrow?

Nothing good, it turn out. But silver is up. :)

[Taernath]

My stocks were up, surprisingly.

[Gelston]

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[bremerial]

We were a house divided. My parents voted out. My nephew, niece (who live with me) and I voted in.

My emotions on waking up on Friday to hear the results went from recriminations, to depression, to numbness, to resignation.

Now i'm just thinking 'fuck it' - its done now. Lets make the best of it.

...and wish i'd bought my dollars for my vacation last week!

[Methais]

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How long until the wine and sausage are removed from the EU side of the table because muslims won't allow it and EU will just be like ok we don't want to offend you.

[Gelston]

How long until the wine and sausage are removed from the EU side of the table because muslims won't allow it and EU will just be like ok we don't want to offend you.

Racist.

[Androidpk]

How will this effect NATO?

[Taernath]

How will this effect NATO?

I don't think it will directly change much.

[Androidpk]

Maybe but you know they're scrambling about right now.

[Taernath]

Maybe but you know they're scrambling about right now.

Who, Britain? It's not like they're leaving NATO. EU is a mostly political/economic membership club.

[Gelston]

NATO is a completely separate treaty from the EU made with the nations in NATO, not through the EU.

[Androidpk]

NATO and company. And yes, I know.

[Methais]

Racist.

Phobiaphobe.

[bremerial]

Who, Britain? It's not like they're leaving NATO. EU is a mostly political/economic membership club.

A pretty good summary actually. Think of Britain and the rest of Europe as several strands of string all intertwined. The next two years is going to see an unraveling of one of those lengths of string from the rest. If you've ever had to unravel computer cables, you know how frustrating and annoyingly time consuming that can be. But in the end, you get there.

We're going to be untangling ourselves from political, economic and legislative entanglements.

From a US perspective, think of it as Alaska or New York suddenly suseding from the rest of the US (Not a true analogy for a whole host of reasons but the best I can come up with.) Think of the implications. We're sort of there.

[Gelston]

From a US perspective, think of it as Alaska or New York suddenly succeeding from the rest of the US (Not a true analogy for a whole host of reasons but the best I can come up with.) Think of the implications. We're sort of there.

I think the best comparison would be Puerto Rico declaring independence, which pretty much every President has always agreed to honor.

[Warriorbird]

I think the best comparison would be Puerto Rico declaring independence, which pretty much every President has always agreed to honor.

Britain's more economically and politically important than Puerto Rico. I think Alaska seems more right on.

[Gelston]

Britain's more economically and politically important than Puerto Rico. I think Alaska seems more right on.

Puerto Rico is less attached to the US than a State is. I think their association with us is closer to the the UK's association with the EU. I'm not comparing Puerto Rico to the UK in an economic sense, I'm comparing it in an association sense. Economically I'd compare it to Greece.

And lol at Alaska being politically important, I'd put the politics concerning PR above Alaska.

[Warriorbird]

Puerto Rico is less attached to the US than a State is. I think their association with us is closer to the the UK's association with the EU. I'm not comparing Puerto Rico to the UK in an economic sense, I'm comparing it in an association sense. Economically I'd compare it to Greece.

And lol at Alaska being politically important, I'd put the politics concerning PR above Alaska.

Fair enough conclusion, though I only somewhat agree.

Alaska's importance depends on whether you consider their resources a political or economic situation.