WTF is wrong with Democrats/Liberals?

[Jarvan]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/4/justice-dept-no-longer-use-terms-felon-convict/

So now someone that commits a felon, or is convicted of a crim, is not supposed to be called a felon or convict because..... it's disparaging?

Instead they are going to refer to them as.. “person who committed a crime” and “individual who was incarcerated”.

So.. what are we going to call a murder in the future... "person who took a life against the other person's will" or a rapist "person who indulged in surprise sex".

Seriously, can someone please explain to me what the fuck these people are thinking?

First.. we can't call someone who violates a law, an illegal. Now this.

[Gelston]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/4/justice-dept-no-longer-use-terms-felon-convict/

So now someone that commits a felon, or is convicted of a crim, is not supposed to be called a felon or convict because..... it's disparaging?

Instead they are going to refer to them as.. “person who committed a crime” and “individual who was incarcerated”.

So.. what are we going to call a murder in the future... "person who took a life against the other person's will" or a rapist "person who indulged in surprise sex".

Seriously, can someone please explain to me what the fuck these people are thinking?

First.. we can't call someone who violates a law, an illegal. Now this.

Lets just call them black people instead.

[Tgo01]

Liberals are scary creatures.

[drauz]

I'm not a fan of my governor , VA, using executive order to restore voting rights to felons.

[Jarvan]

I'm not a fan of my governor , VA, using executive order to restore voting rights to felons.

Actually, I don't think it's something he can do really. I also don't think it will matter.

[Gelston]

Actually, I don't think it's something he can do really. I also don't think it will matter.

He sure as hell does. He could pardon every single one of them if he wanted, as long as it was for crimes tried by the State of Viriginia. The majority of states, 40 of them, give back voting rights over time anyways.

[GS4Pirate]

The Red scare was a real thing man. Look at some of these dumb fucks from the 60's that are now or were college "professors". Bill Ayers for fuck sake, these people were blowing up fucking government buildings...................Timothy McVeigh....anyone...anyone? The liberals should love this guy, did the bomb not have a D on it or some shit, was it a black bomb? Show us some consistency here man.

[Gelston]

The Red scare was a real thing man. Look at some of these dumb fucks from the 60's that are now or were college "professors". Bill Ayers for fuck sake, these people were blowing up fucking government buildings...................Timothy McVeigh....anyone...anyone? The liberals should love this guy, did the bomb not have a D on it or some shit, was it a black bomb? Show us some consistency here man.

Timothy McVeigh was a far right, not a communist.

Honestly, compared to the world at large, our "liberals" are right leaning.

[Nathala Crane]

Silly anti-PC rhetoric aside, I believe the general idea is to not label a person for his or her entire life as a felon, convict, etc. Which makes sense when you consider that the point of a temporary prison sentence is reform/rehabilitation. At least in principle. In practice, of course, American prisons fucking suck.

[Latrinsorm]

If it decreases recidivism, I don't care what they call them.

[GS4Pirate]

Timothy McVeigh was a far right, not a communist.

Honestly, compared to the world at large, our "liberals" are right leaning.

So it's because the bomb didn't have a letter D on it, that the left no longer likes bombing federal buildings?

Ok, Ok, now I think I finally have this. It's all like wheel of fortune for the liberals "Hell no Pat, it's spelled Dank, not Rank!"

[Nathala Crane]

Blah blah "liberals." Blah blah "SJW." Blah blah blah. ::dons a tinfoil hat and plugs his fingers into his ears:: Et cetera, et cetera.

[GS4Pirate]

If it decreases recidivism, I don't care what they call them.

We could legalize weed nationally, that would change the lives of many recidivists. << Thank you Jim Lahey


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlxTDXwNYSE

[Gelston]

So it's because the bomb didn't have a letter D on it, that the left no longer likes bombing federal buildings?

Ok, Ok, now I think I finally have this. It's all like wheel of fortune for the liberals "Hell no Pat, it's spelled Dank, not Rank!"

I'm pretty sure the left doesn't like federal buildings being bombed regardless. There are idiots that do this on both sides of the political spectrum. Probably more right wing than left.... But likely because most people on the left are giant pussies and prefer to whine on college campuses.

[drauz]

So it's because the bomb didn't have a letter D on it, that the left no longer likes bombing federal buildings?

Ok, Ok, now I think I finally have this. It's all like wheel of fortune for the liberals "Hell no Pat, it's spelled Dank, not Rank!"

I mean you are comparing a mass casualty event to a zero- few casualty event... Did you stop taking your meds or something?

[Jarvan]

He sure as hell does. He could pardon every single one of them if he wanted, as long as it was for crimes tried by the State of Viriginia. The majority of states, 40 of them, give back voting rights over time anyways.

Well, let me put it this way.. if the Legislature disagrees with him, no it's not something he can do.

Also.. I would LOVE to see him pardon 200,000 felons so they can vote Democrat. It would be the best thing EVER.

[GS4Pirate]

I mean you are comparing a mass casualty event to a zero- few casualty event... Did you stop taking your meds or something?

I forgot, as long as it only kills a couple people, then we make Professors out of them.

I'm not doing well here in the land of make believe, give me time to adjust.

[Gelston]

Well, let me put it this way.. if the Legislature disagrees with him, no it's not something he can do.

Also.. I would LOVE to see him pardon 200,000 felons so they can vote Democrat. It would be the best thing EVER.

The legislature can disagree with him all it wants, until the State appeals courts do, it doesn't matter. It is just bringing his state in line with 39 other states. They have to have completed jail time, parole, and probation. People are making a bigger deal of it then what it really is.

[Jarvan]

Silly anti-PC rhetoric aside, I believe the general idea is to not label a person for his or her entire life as a felon, convict, etc. Which makes sense when you consider that the point of a temporary prison sentence is reform/rehabilitation. At least in principle. In practice, of course, American prisons fucking suck.

So.. if you kill 10 people, but are somehow released from prison before you die, you are NOT a murderer?

Sorry.. but if you robbed a bank and shot someone in the attempt, serve 10 years and are left out, you are still a fucking bank robber. I would love to see that person apply for a job at a bank and say.. NO.. the DoJ says I am not that anymore because I served my time.

So here is the question....

You get convicted of child rape.

You serve your time and are left out. NOW... based on what the DoJ says.. they should NOT be able to label you a sex offender, because that is "Derogatory". So.. when they add your ass to the database that you can't live within x of a school and such.. are they violating their own policy? Can sex offenders now sue the government for civil rights infractions?

[Jarvan]

The legislature can disagree with him all it wants, until the State appeals courts do, it doesn't matter.

Well, if the Legislature passes a veto proof law, it also doesn't matter what he does. Checks and balances.

[drauz]

Well, let me put it this way.. if the Legislature disagrees with him, no it's not something he can do.

Its an executive order, there is no legislature required.

[Gelston]

Well, if the Legislature passes a veto proof law, it also doesn't matter what he does. Checks and balances.

Which the court can shut down. Either way, on to the main topic.... Do I think that felons should remain felons for life? I think it depends on the crime, honestly. I think a felony should only be issued for violent and potentially violent crimes. Should they remain a felon forever after they did their time? Yes. I do, however, think state and federally run public works projects should be expanded, to give these otherwise blacklisted people a chance at work instead of crime. Run it exactly like the military, with a military pay scale and a barracks. They'd be used to it, they just got out of prison. Of course, it'll be a completely voluntary thing.

It'll teach them trades and all that. We have tons of bad bridges, fucked up roads, bad infrastructure, etc., and a giant pool of people to draw from.

[Nathala Crane]

So.. if you kill 10 people, but are somehow released from prison before you die, you are NOT a murderer?

Sorry.. but if you robbed a bank and shot someone in the attempt, serve 10 years and are left out, you are still a fucking bank robber. I would love to see that person apply for a job at a bank and say.. NO.. the DoJ says I am not that anymore because I served my time.

So here is the question....

You get convicted of child rape.

You serve your time and are left out. NOW... based on what the DoJ says.. they should NOT be able to label you a sex offender, because that is "Derogatory". So.. when they add your ass to the database that you can't live within x of a school and such.. are they violating their own policy? Can sex offenders now sue the government for civil rights infractions?

You know, when I made that post, I thought to myself: "Self, the first thing somebody's going to do is unzip and whip out that big, floppy pedophile." (As it turns out, I was wrong: it was only the second, after a hypothetical mass murderer/bankrobber. Lol, I'm slippin'.)

No, Jarvan. I don't think a convicted child offender should be able to get a job at a daycare. Neither, I'd imagine, would Those Darn Librulz! in the Department of Justice. Don't be dense.

[drauz]

I forgot, as long as it only kills a couple people, then we make Professors out of them.

I'm not doing well here in the land of make believe, give me time to adjust.

What bomb, that Ayers was a part of, killed people?

I can tell you the one Timothy McVeigh set off.

[Taernath]

What bomb, that Ayers was a part of, killed people?

I can tell you the one Timothy McVeigh set off.

The only one was that one that blew up accidentally and killed a couple of his friends.

[Gelston]

The only one was that one that blew up accidentally and killed a couple of his friends.

Three of them. I always love it when bomb makers kill themselves.

[Taernath]

Three of them. I always love it when bomb makers kill themselves.

Yeah, right? I have a hard time considering them 'victims'. But I suppose if you squint hard enough they might be like Schrodinger's cat, simultaneously victims and terrorists.

[drauz]

Yeah, right? I have a hard time considering them 'victims'. But I suppose if you squint hard enough they might be like Schrodinger's cat, simultaneously victims and terrorists.

All I was saying is that Bill Ayers and Timothy McVeigh are similar in that they bombed gov't facilities. How they went about it makes all the difference. And I am not saying either were right in doing so.

[Tisket]

Unpunished, unconvicted, and presumably unremorseful white collar criminals run the world. No thought follows that except that I have no problem with criminals convicted of non violent crimes and who subsequently paid their debt to society in full being allowed to vote and do other things the rest of us do regularly. Labeling those folks as "felons" is simply unnecessarily petty.

Violent criminals can rot in hell.

[time4fun]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/4/justice-dept-no-longer-use-terms-felon-convict/

So now someone that commits a felon, or is convicted of a crim, is not supposed to be called a felon or convict because..... it's disparaging?

Instead they are going to refer to them as.. “person who committed a crime” and “individual who was incarcerated”.

So.. what are we going to call a murder in the future... "person who took a life against the other person's will" or a rapist "person who indulged in surprise sex".

Seriously, can someone please explain to me what the fuck these people are thinking?

First.. we can't call someone who violates a law, an illegal. Now this.

it's weird to me that compassion bothers you. And that *not* treating someone like garbage is a problem.

[Jarvan]

it's weird to me that compassion bothers you. And that *not* treating someone like garbage is a problem.

Yeah.. I have tons of compassion for criminals who commit crimes... no wait.. I don't.

hey.. lets look at my current situation.


An 18 year old girl decides to text on her cell phone while driving a car and crosses the yellow line and kills my cousin.

Now.. THAT is considered a misdemeanor. It's likely she won't see a lick of jail time.

But.. you know.. I am SURE you are a MUCH better person then me... and if someone killed YOUR Family member, you would embrace them, welcome them into your home and cook a meal for them, because that's the "right" thing to do.

Bull fucking shit.


Also.. it's funny that people think this is "compassion".

It's just another in a long list of fucking stupid ass shit. Like the President asking companies to STOP asking if you committed a crime. Real fucking smart there. First company that does that, hires a violent criminal who hurts someone at work.. biggest lawsuit ever.

[GS4Pirate]

What bomb, that Ayers was a part of, killed people?

I can tell you the one Timothy McVeigh set off.

I think the point is being missed here, how does a domestic terrorist become a college professor? Who makes this kind of a decision? "Hey you know the dude we were looking at is ok, but this Ayers guy, that fucker was building bombs and blowing up government buildings, how edgy, he's hired?"

What? I mean there's no possible connection to the fact he's a fucking communist. I'm just trying to figure this logic out, do I get special honors for blowing shit up as long as no one gets killed?

[kookiegod]

Yeah.. I have tons of compassion for criminals who commit crimes... no wait.. I don't.

hey.. lets look at my current situation.


An 18 year old girl decides to text on her cell phone while driving a car and crosses the yellow line and kills my cousin.

Now.. THAT is considered a misdemeanor. It's likely she won't see a lick of jail time.

But.. you know.. I am SURE you are a MUCH better person then me... and if someone killed YOUR Family member, you would embrace them, welcome them into your home and cook a meal for them, because that's the "right" thing to do.

Bull fucking shit.


Also.. it's funny that people think this is "compassion".

It's just another in a long list of fucking stupid ass shit. Like the President asking companies to STOP asking if you committed a crime. Real fucking smart there. First company that does that, hires a violent criminal who hurts someone at work.. biggest lawsuit ever.


As many know, I have been running credit bureaus for years.

So this stuff has come down hard into my bailiwick as the head of compliance.
For years, the EEOC has banned the use of arrest records in employment decisions. As of 4/2016, its now banned in housing decisions per HUD's general legal counsel I don't know about you, but I don't want to live next to a drug dealing rapist who is smart enough to not get convicted, but at least you have a conviction record to deny them right?

Right????

Ummm, not so quick.

You now have to consider WHEN the record was, WHAT it was for, and prove a legitimate reason to deny housing or employment. You have to have it quite documented your reasons WHY its a problem and go out of your way to prove that it does not have a disparate impact on certain populations.

Also we are supposed to use the term 'justice involved' when discussing those persons and their records.

Property owners and managers are lost on this one.

~Paul

[time4fun]

Yeah.. I have tons of compassion for criminals who commit crimes... no wait.. I don't.

hey.. lets look at my current situation.


An 18 year old girl decides to text on her cell phone while driving a car and crosses the yellow line and kills my cousin.

Now.. THAT is considered a misdemeanor. It's likely she won't see a lick of jail time.

But.. you know.. I am SURE you are a MUCH better person then me... and if someone killed YOUR Family member, you would embrace them, welcome them into your home and cook a meal for them, because that's the "right" thing to do.

Bull fucking shit.


Also.. it's funny that people think this is "compassion".

It's just another in a long list of fucking stupid ass shit. Like the President asking companies to STOP asking if you committed a crime. Real fucking smart there. First company that does that, hires a violent criminal who hurts someone at work.. biggest lawsuit ever.


Of all of the things going on in the "justice" system- the fact that we have more people incarcerated per capita than almost any other country in the world, the fact that people of color are MUCH more likely to be convicted of crimes, the fact that felons lose the most fundamental rights to citizenship, the fact that we've privatized prisons, which is resulting in egregious human rights abuses- and the thing you're pissed off about is that the Justice department decided to use more humanizing language to refer to people in the system.

I love how conservatives act like the worst thing that ever happened to them was waking up one morning and no longer being allowed to refer to women and minorities in dehumanizing ways, or being expected to to use words like "people" when describing human beings who have committed crimes. Like it was some massive infringements on their civil rights to treat people horribly with no consequences.

Then they turn around and tell black people to get over slavery and Jim Crowe.

Sorry, people make mistakes- sometimes horrible ones- but they're still people. And it's okay that *other people* have decided to refer to them as such.

[drauz]

Of all of the things going on in the "justice" system- the fact that we have more people incarcerated per capita than almost any other country in the world, the fact that people of color are MUCH more likely to be convicted of crimes, the fact that felons lose the most fundamental rights to citizenship, the fact that we've privatized prisons, which is resulting in egregious human rights abuses- and the thing you're pissed off about is that the Justice department decided to use more humanizing language to refer to people in the system.

I love how conservatives act like the worst thing that ever happened to them was waking up one morning and no longer being allowed to refer to women and minorities in dehumanizing ways, or being expected to to use words like "people" when describing human beings who have committed crimes. Like it was some massive infringements on their civil rights to treat people horribly with no consequences.

Then they turn around and tell black people to get over slavery and Jim Crowe.

Sorry, people make mistakes- sometimes horrible ones- but they're still people. And it's okay that *other people* have decided to refer to them as such.

I hope you see the hypocrisy there.

[Tgo01]

I love how conservatives act like the worst thing that ever happened to them was waking up one morning and no longer being allowed to refer to women and minorities in dehumanizing ways

Holy shit! Page 4 and time4fun has already pulled out the "Republicans are racist and sexist assholes!!!" in a discussion that apparently has nothing specifically to do with women or minorities.

This has to be some sort of record. Who is our forum's historical record keeper?

[drauz]

I think the point is being missed here, how does a domestic terrorist become a college professor? Who makes this kind of a decision? "Hey you know the dude we were looking at is ok, but this Ayers guy, that fucker was building bombs and blowing up government buildings, how edgy, he's hired?"

What? I mean there's no possible connection to the fact he's a fucking communist. I'm just trying to figure this logic out, do I get special honors for blowing shit up as long as no one gets killed?

If you make an argument about WHAT he is teaching then I will listen, but you haven't. Maybe he knows his subject matter. Sounds like you don't know why he was hired either and don't actually want to find out.

I didn't miss your point, but you seem to have forgotten it.


Timothy McVeigh....anyone...anyone? The liberals should love this guy, did the bomb not have a D on it or some shit, was it a black bomb? Show us some consistency here man.

I then told you it could be because he didn't murder hundreds of people. So no I didn't miss the point, but someone sure is.

[GS4Pirate]

If you make an argument about WHAT he is teaching then I will listen, but you haven't. Maybe he knows his subject matter. Sounds like you don't know why he was hired either and don't actually want to find out.

I didn't miss your point, but you seem to have forgotten it.



I then told you it could be because he didn't murder hundreds of people. So no I didn't miss the point, but someone sure is.

My point the whole time, had this been a right winger and not killed people, liberals would be asking the very same questions I'm asking. Do you find it good policy for a College to hire domestic terrorists ? This has nothing to do with the loss of life, but rather an attack on a federal building. Is this a hiring decision you would make, if so why? I sure the fuck know, I could be the best damn machine operator on the face of the planet, but I ain't going to find a job if I have a history of blowing buildings up. Who the fuck would hire someone like that?

[drauz]

My point the whole time, had this been a right winger and not killed people, liberals would be asking the very same questions I'm asking. Do you find it good policy for a College to hire domestic terrorists ? This has nothing to do with the loss of life, but rather an attack on a federal building. Is this a hiring decision you would make, if so why? I sure the fuck know, I could be the best damn machine operator on the face of the planet, but I ain't going to find a job if I have a history of blowing buildings up. Who the fuck would hire someone like that?

No I wouldn't, but you asked a question and got an answer.

[GS4Pirate]

Then they turn around and tell black people to get over slavery and Jim Crowe.

One minor logical fallacy you are making, not a single fucking one of us, black or white, that are alive today owned fucking slaves or were a slave. The criminal though, is indeed alive today as well as their victim. Why do you keep trying to punish the ghosts of Christmas past, yet allow the living criminal a pass?

I will also once again post this for your inability to target the wrong people:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXulk0T8cg

You show complete support for the people that actually put these fucked up laws into place. Just admit, you support Hillary for one reason, she's a woman.

[GS4Pirate]

No I wouldn't, but you asked a question and got an answer.

Cool, it was never about the lives lost, obviously Oklahoma City was fucking bad.

[drauz]

Of all of the things going on in the "justice" system- the fact that we have more people incarcerated per capita than almost any other country in the world, the fact that people of color are MUCH more likely to be convicted of crimes, the fact that felons lose the most fundamental rights to citizenship, the fact that we've privatized prisons, which is resulting in egregious human rights abuses- and the thing you're pissed off about is that the Justice department decided to use more humanizing language to refer to people in the system.

I love how conservatives act like the worst thing that ever happened to them was waking up one morning and no longer being allowed to refer to women and minorities in dehumanizing ways, or being expected to to use words like "people" when describing human beings who have committed crimes. Like it was some massive infringements on their civil rights to treat people horribly with no consequences.

Then they turn around and tell black people to get over slavery and Jim Crowe.

Sorry, people make mistakes- sometimes horrible ones- but they're still people. And it's okay that *other people* have decided to refer to them as such.

You take a conversation about criminals (not mentionin race) and then assume we are talking about people of color? So whos the racist? Seems when you hear criminal, you hear black person...

[Warriorbird]

We've had this exact same discussion before.

The response is the same. If there was an abortion clinic bomber who killed no one, served his or her time, AND got a PHD... Liberty or Regent would hire him or her almost instantaneously.

As for restoring voting rights? You can be a felon for driving without a license or driving over 80 mph in Virginia.

[drauz]

As for restoring voting rights? You can be a felon for driving without a license or driving over 80 mph in Virginia.

http://www.cnrlawyers.com/news/what-is-the-penalty-for-driving-without-a-license-in-virginia/


Driving without license prohibited; penalties.:
A violation of this section is a Class 2 misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation of this section is a Class 1 misdemeanor.

http://www.vatrafficlaw.com/reckless.html


Reckless Driving in Virginia is a class 1 misdemeanor criminal charge with can affect security clearances, insurance costs, and other sensitive matters affecting government contractors and Military | Law Enforcement personnel.

[GS4Pirate]

If there was an abortion clinic bomber who killed no one, served his or her time, AND got a PHD... Liberty or Regent would hire him or her almost instantaneously.


And I believe it ended something like this: The last time anyone bombed a murder mill was...over 30 years ago. The person was never hired as a professor, nor has one ever been hired as a professor. In your case though, they actually did hire a domestic terrorist. Even Bill Maher wishes you guys would stop with the abortion mill bombing argument, it's a fucking stupid argument. You all try to make it out like it happens every day, I'm sorry but that is your Muslim friends blowing themselves up on a daily basis.

[drauz]

And I believe it ended something like this: The last time anyone bombed a murder mill was...over 30 years ago.

You would be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Arson.2C_bombing.2C_and_property _crime

[GS4Pirate]

You would be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Arson.2C_bombing.2C_and_property _crime

"Bombed" words are important. Wiki even had to include Canada in the stats, as well as stink bombs. The fact is, abortion clinics being blown up pretty much never happens. That aside, are any of these people now professors and held high as champions of progression?

Of course blowing up government buildings and blowing up mini-Auschwitz's are kind of hard to put on the same page.

[Gelston]

"Bombed" words are important. Wiki even had to include Canada in the stats, as well as stink bombs. The fact is, abortion clinics being blown up pretty much never happens. That aside, are any of these people now professors and held high as champions of progression?

Of course blowing up government buildings and blowing up mini-Auschwitz's are kind of hard to put on the same page.

Uh, what?

April 1, 2012: A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported.

Wisconsin is in the US. Just because it isn't a giant bomb that blows up the entire building doesn't mean it wasn't a bomb.

January 1, 2012: Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.

Firebombing is still bombing. This destroyed the entire building.

April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.

This person TRIED to bomb it, but the police foiled it.

June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington, destroyed a wall, resulting in $6,000 in damages.

Another bomb.

January 1997: Eric Rudolph admitted, as part of a plea deal for the Centennial Olympic Park bombing at the 1996 Olympic Games to placing a pair of bombs that exploded at the Northside Family Planning Services clinic in the Atlanta suburb of Sandy Springs.

Oh look....


Okay dude, your 30 year thing is wrong.

[Latrinsorm]

I think the point is being missed here, how does a domestic terrorist become a college professor? Who makes this kind of a decision? "Hey you know the dude we were looking at is ok, but this Ayers guy, that fucker was building bombs and blowing up government buildings, how edgy, he's hired?"Because he was never convicted of a crime, because the evidence against him was obtained illegally. Some hold the view that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I don't say that judgmentally, perhaps because I don't personally hold that view, but it does exist.

[GS4Pirate]

Uh, what?

April 1, 2012: A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported.

Wisconsin is in the US. Just because it isn't a giant bomb that blows up the entire building doesn't mean it wasn't a bomb.

January 1, 2012: Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.

Firebombing is still bombing. This destroyed the entire building.

April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.

This person TRIED to bomb it, but the police foiled it.

June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington, destroyed a wall, resulting in $6,000 in damages.

Another bomb.

January 1997: Eric Rudolph admitted, as part of a plea deal for the Centennial Olympic Park bombing at the 1996 Olympic Games to placing a pair of bombs that exploded at the Northside Family Planning Services clinic in the Atlanta suburb of Sandy Springs.

Oh look....


Okay dude, your 30 year thing is wrong.

I guess I'm wrong, it happens.

We should probably be getting them in our universities ASAP then, I guess.

[Gelston]

I guess I'm wrong, it happens.

We should probably be getting them in our universities ASAP then, I guess.

First they need to go ahead and get a masters or PhD.

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTXiN-Nc9Y

[Warriorbird]

http://www.cnrlawyers.com/news/what-is-the-penalty-for-driving-without-a-license-in-virginia/



http://www.vatrafficlaw.com/reckless.html

Class 1's generate felonies rapidly.

[~Rocktar~]

Because he was never convicted of a crime, because the evidence against him was obtained illegally. Some hold the view that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I don't say that judgmentally, perhaps because I don't personally hold that view, but it does exist.

Yeah, that argument is only brought out by Liberals when it is convenient to them, for the rest of the Liberal diatribe, the court of public opinion is more valid. Cases in point, Trayvon Martin, Ferguson, el al.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah, that argument is only brought out by Liberals when it is convenient to them, for the rest of the Liberal diatribe, the court of public opinion is more valid. Cases in point, Travon Martin, Furgesson, el al.

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[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Well we gain our strength from the blood magic of every aborted baby, so y'all are screwed.