Ted Cruz Drops Out

[Jarvan]

Why in the world did he wait so long...

Maybe his dad really did meet with Lee Harvey Oswald.


Anyway.. trump is the Nominee.

So.. Likely Trump vrs Hillary. Unless it looks like she will lose, in which case Obama will let the DOJ Indict her, and run someone else.

[Fallen]

Anyone think Trump has a shot of winning the general election? We can put money on it. I most likely won't bother collecting.

[Jarvan]

Anyone think Trump has a shot of winning the general election? We can put money on it. I most likely won't bother collecting.

Actually, I think he has a shot, not a big one, but a shot. Heck, I think it's possible, tho unlikely, that he could flip NY.

[Taernath]

Anyone think Trump has a shot of winning the general election? We can put money on it. I most likely won't bother collecting.

Nah. But it will be interesting to watch.

[Jarvan]

Nah. But it will be interesting to watch.

Yes it will. Frankly, out of all the people, I think Clinton fears facing Trump the most. Kasich polls better, but she knows how to deal with that. Whine, cry, and say "vote for my Vagina".

I don't think she can pull that with Trump.

[Fallen]

I think she could lose if she gets indicted. Assuming nothing on that level takes place, it should be a straightforward win for her.

[drauz]

Yes it will. Frankly, out of all the people, I think Clinton fears facing Trump the most. Kasich polls better, but she knows how to deal with that. Whine, cry, and say "vote for my Vagina".

I don't think she can pull that with Trump.

She has been, I thought it was her new catch phrase. Just look at that shit eating grin after she it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1qwfd-8-UA

[Jarvan]

I think she could lose if she gets indicted. Assuming nothing on that level takes place, it should be a straightforward win for her.

Well, that's what people said about a lot of people that it never happened with.

Hillary is not unbeatable even without an indictment, altho unless it's a 100% pass for her from every single pat of the FBI and DoJ, it will still hurt her a lot with independents, which are pretty much all that matters anymore really.

[Jarvan]

She has been, I thought it was her new catch phrase. Just look at that shit eating grin after she it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1qwfd-8-UA

The best part... her campaign is selling a "woman's card".

You have to admit, if she was not "Hillary Clinton" she would be getting reamed by Bernie.

[drauz]

Well, that's what people said about a lot of people that it never happened with.

Hillary is not unbeatable even without an indictment, altho unless it's a 100% pass for her from every single pat of the FBI and DoJ, it will still hurt her a lot with independents, which are pretty much all that matters anymore really.

Looking at the candidates now I feel safe in saying that I probably won't vote for the presidency this year. Be the first time I haven't.

[Taernath]

Yes it will. Frankly, out of all the people, I think Clinton fears facing Trump the most. Kasich polls better, but she knows how to deal with that. Whine, cry, and say "vote for my Vagina".

I don't think she can pull that with Trump.

Trump has a lot of anti-government populism behind him, and Clinton is probably the best cadidate to target that at. Despite that, I think moderates are way more likely to flock to an establishment candidate than Trump.


Looking at the candidates now I feel safe in saying that I probably won't vote for the presidency this year. Be the first time I haven't.

Yep, same.

[Jarvan]

Looking at the candidates now I feel safe in saying that I probably won't vote for the presidency this year. Be the first time I haven't.

I refuse to vote for someone to vote against someone else. That's not how voting is supposed to work.


You know.. Trump has beaten 16 people to get the Nomination.... Hillary can't beat a Socialist that wants to tax everyone into poverty. Seriously.. how strong of a Candidate is she?

[drauz]

I refuse to vote for someone to vote against someone else. That's not how voting is supposed to work.


You know.. Trump has beaten 16 people to get the Nomination.... Hillary can't beat a Socialist that wants to tax everyone into poverty. Seriously.. how strong of a Candidate is she?

Do you think Trump would have done as well if it had been him, Cruz, and Kasich from the beginning?

Bernie's campaign has been over for quite a while, I think he just wants to keep his issues in the forefront.

[Jarvan]

Do you think Trump would have done as well if it had been him, Cruz, and Kasich from the beginning?

Bernie's campaign has been over for quite a while, I think he just wants to keep his issues in the forefront.

And yet Bernie won tonight by, if it was Clinton anyway, a Large margin.

And yes, I think Trump would have done just as good. Kasich is only in because Soros is paying him to stay in to try to deny it to Trump. I doubt Soros keeps paying him.

Actually, I think Trump would have done better. Kasich is a nobody, would never have really been a name. Cruz.. people like him or hate him, just like trump, sadly for Cruz.. Trump is more of an "outsider", so it would not have helped Cruz. If it had been trump, Rubio and Kasich, I think Rubio would have won. Simply because the establishment would have gotten behind Rubio right from the start.



Also.. thinks are not peachy on the other side either.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-supporters-not-vote-clinton-221642


of course....

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/bombshell-poll-20-republicans-vote-hillary-clinton-trump-wins.html

Now.. their numbers are shit.

I may not be the best at math, but 19% of 40% is not nearly 20% of GOP voters. It's more like 7.6% of GoP voters. (only 40% said they wouldn't vote trump, of which of that 40%, 19% said they would vote Hillary)

[drauz]

And yet Bernie won tonight by, if it was Clinton anyway, a Large margin.

And yes, I think Trump would have done just as good. Kasich is only in because Soros is paying him to stay in to try to deny it to Trump. I doubt Soros keeps paying him.

Actually, I think Trump would have done better. Kasich is a nobody, would never have really been a name. Cruz.. people like him or hate him, just like trump, sadly for Cruz.. Trump is more of an "outsider", so it would not have helped Cruz. If it had been trump, Rubio and Kasich, I think Rubio would have won. Simply because the establishment would have gotten behind Rubio right from the start.

I just picked the last people in the race, but I was trying to get at was "would he have done as well with a narrowed field from the start".

[Jarvan]

I just picked the last people in the race, but I was trying to get at was "would he have done as well with a narrowed field from the start".

Just depends on who really. Altho.. would Hillary be the Nom if it was Warren and not Sanders?

[drauz]

Just depends on who really. Altho.. would Hillary be the Nom if it was Warren and not Sanders?

Thats a good question, but since she was never in the race I can't gauge how popular she would have been. I would have voted for her over Hillary and Bernie though. Besides a few of his policies I only really liked Bernie because he seemed honest. I didn't think he was just saying something to say it/get votes.

[Nathala Crane]

Lol. Can't wait to see Trump attempt his playground bully debate style against a serious candidate.

[Astray]

Lol. Can't wait to see Trump attempt his playground bully debate style against a serious candidate.

"Hillary smells like old lady and that smell is hard to get out of the oval office. Y'know what else is oval? Ovaries. Just because she has them doesn't mean she's qualified. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN FUCK MEXICANS!"

[drauz]

Lol. Can't wait to see Trump attempt his playground bully debate style against a serious candidate.

He seems to finally have realized recently that he can't be the person he was at the start of his campaign and expect to win the general election. He has toned it down some, we'll see if this trend stays or he goes back to his former self.

[Taernath]

He seems to finally have realized recently that he can't be the person he was at the start of his campaign and expect to win the general election. He has toned it down some, we'll see if this trend stays or he goes back to his former self.

I would really like to see Clinton get flustered during a debate though.

[Kembal]

He seems to finally have realized recently that he can't be the person he was at the start of his campaign and expect to win the general election. He has toned it down some, we'll see if this trend stays or he goes back to his former self.

Don't think he has the self-discipline to keep it toned down all the way to November.

This is crazy surreal that he's the nominee....I went to college with Ivanka, both of us graduated in 2004 from Penn. I didn't have any classes with her though, since we had different concentrations. I remember walking back from the Wharton graduation ceremony to the school reception, and he and his family were maybe 10 to 15 feet behind us. Should've taken a picture with him.

[Taernath]

Don't think he has the self-discipline to keep it toned down all the way to November.

This is crazy surreal that he's the nominee....I went to college with Ivanka, both of us graduated in 2004 from Penn. I didn't have any classes with her though, since we had different concentrations. I remember walking back from the Wharton graduation ceremony to the school reception, and he and his family were maybe 10 to 15 feet behind us. Should've taken a picture with him.

When we are scavenging for scrap in an irradiated wasteland in a few years, remember that YOU could have prevented it.

[drauz]

Don't think he has the self-discipline to keep it toned down all the way to November.

That would be a true miracle. Its going to be fun to watch at least.

[Kembal]

When we are scavenging for scrap in an irradiated wasteland in a few years, remember that YOU could have prevented it.

So I'll be the one time-traveling back to stop him?

[Gelston]

You know, I don't think Trump has a chance to win against Hillary. I think he really believes the stuff he says though so it'll be interested seeing him after he lsoes by a wider margin then Mitt Romney to Obama.

[Taernath]

So I'll be the one time-traveling back to stop him?

No, your job will be to travel back in time to bang Ivanka, and HER kid will be the one to stop him.

[Nathala Crane]

No, your job will be to travel back in time to bang Ivanka, and HER kid will be the one to stop him.

*steps forth amidst the tumult* I will undertake this task! Though.. I do not know the way.

[Jarvan]

I would really like to see Clinton get flustered during a debate though.

Oh.. she will.

Expect.. Email, Email, foundation, email, foundation...

[drauz]

Oh.. she will.

Expect.. Email, Email, foundation, email, foundation...

Trump has just as many skeletons in his closet. And I don't just mean from his sex slaves.

[Nathala Crane]

Trump University shenanigans, bankruptcies, waffling on various policy issues. Tiny, tiny hands. How's he supposed to build the Great Wall of 'Murka with those things? Ain't happening.

[Jarvan]

Trump University shenanigans, bankruptcies, waffling on various policy issues. Tiny, tiny hands. How's he supposed to build the Great Wall of 'Murka with those things? Ain't happening.

Well.. we can't use Waffling as a skeleton, because then Hillary has like 37 trillion.

She was for everything before she was against it, and against everything before she was for it. Depending whom she is talking to.

Trump U is an issue... but the bankruptcies not really. besides, Hillary has more money shenanigans. (A non profit charity with a 13.7% money spent on actual charity rate ~They say never donate to any that is not at least above 50%~)

And ok.. Trump may be going to civil court for Trump U... but considering Hillary should be going to Leavenworth for her emails...

[drauz]

what will Cruz going to do next?

http://i.imgur.com/dtjBMrt.jpg

made me laugh

[Candor]

So I can vote for either Trump or Clinton.

Reminds me of an old Far Side cartoon. A guy is facing two doors. One is labeled "Dammed if you do" and the other is labeled "Dammed if you don't". A devil with a pitchfork is poking him in the back saying "Cmon Cmon, it's either one or the other".

[Jarvan]

So I can vote for either Trump or Clinton.

Reminds me of an old Far Side cartoon. A guy is facing two doors. One is labeled "Dammed if you do" and the other is labeled "Dammed if you don't". A devil with a pitchfork is poking him in the back saying "Cmon Cmon, it's either one or the other".

Or like being on a highway with a fork in the road with a sign that says <--- To Hell To LA ---->

[time4fun]

You know, I don't think Trump has a chance to win against Hillary. I think he really believes the stuff he says though so it'll be interested seeing him after he lsoes by a wider margin then Mitt Romney to Obama.

Trump is deeply unpopular and is relying on a white racial resentment vote- which is already a losing strategy (something that would not have been true 15 years ago), and when he loses they will all blame it on him.

But realistically, any GOP candidate is doomed from the start. Any Democratic front runner comes into the game with 237 electoral votes. If we're being super generous to the GOP, the battleground States are:
Colorado
Florida
Iowa
New Hampshire
Nevada
Ohio
Virginia
Wisconsin
North Carolina

Most of those states have voted consistently Democratic the last few Presidential elections. And Clinton has a 15 point lead over Trump in Florida- meaning she starts the game with 265 votes even if we ignore every other battleground state.

Democrats can lose the election, but Republicans can't win.

I realize there is still a conservative political fantasy that Clinton is about to be taken away in chains any moment, but there's no reality to that belief. The email server was always a manufactured scandal, and there's no sign that Democrats are at any risk of losing here. The best the GOP can hope for is to keep the Senate (which is also highly unlikely)

[Soulance]

There just seems to be something behind this email thing (which I hope there is because she needs to go away for a LONG time). Why are the Feds taking so long? If they balk now, won't the Feds look bad? If they really had nothing I would think they'd have dropped it long ago.

[Warriorbird]

Trump has a shot if he ran on the ACTUAL issue with the email thing (she was running an off books intelligence agency without vetting, W style.) He won't.

She might get indicted or some other scandal might turn up.

[GS4Pirate]

A statement put out by Elizabeth Warren:


Donald Trump is now the leader of the Republican Party. It's real – he is one step away from the White House. Here's what else is real:
Trump has built his campaign on racism, sexism, and xenophobia. There's more enthusiasm for him among leaders of the KKK than leaders of the political party he now controls.
He incites supporters to violence, praises Putin, and, according to a columnist who recently interviewed him, is "cool with being called an authoritarian" and doesn't mind associations with history's worst dictators.
He attacks veterans like John McCain who were captured and puts our servicemembers at risk by cheerleading illegal torture. In a world with ISIS militants and leaders like North Korean strongman Kim Jong-Un conducting nuclear tests, he surrounds himself with a foreign policy team that has been called a "collection of charlatans," and puts out contradictory and nonsensical national security ideas one expert recently called "incoherent" and "truly bizarre."
What happens next will test the character for all of us – Republican, Democrat, and Independent. It will determine whether we move forward as one nation or splinter at the hands of one man's narcissism and divisiveness. I know which side I'm on, and I’m going to fight my heart out to make sure Donald Trump’s toxic stew of hatred and insecurity never reaches the White House.

I'm going to do a service for the liberal's. If this is the plan, if this is going to be the tired line you're going to run on for the remainder of this cycle, hand over the keys to the White House now and spare us all the next 4 months of vomiting. The SJW act will only assure a landslide victory for Trump in November. I'm afraid you will be forced to adhere to issues that affect everyone and not only the issues involving your vagina or your wishing you had a vagina.

[GS4Pirate]

Trump is deeply unpopular and is relying on a white racial resentment vote- which is already a losing strategy (something that would not have been true 15 years ago), and when he loses they will all blame it on him.

But realistically, any GOP candidate is doomed from the start. Any Democratic front runner comes into the game with 237 electoral votes. If we're being super generous to the GOP, the battleground States are:
Colorado
Florida
Iowa
New Hampshire
Nevada
Ohio
Virginia
Wisconsin
North Carolina

Most of those states have voted consistently Democratic the last few Presidential elections. And Clinton has a 15 point lead over Trump in Florida- meaning she starts the game with 265 votes even if we ignore every other battleground state.

Democrats can lose the election, but Republicans can't win.

I realize there is still a conservative political fantasy that Clinton is about to be taken away in chains any moment, but there's no reality to that belief. The email server was always a manufactured scandal, and there's no sign that Democrats are at any risk of losing here. The best the GOP can hope for is to keep the Senate (which is also highly unlikely)

The majority of the country doesn't give two fucks about your inability to decide if you should wear a dress or pants. We don't care about the color of your skin or the unit between your legs. So I encourage the Democrats to continue running on open borders, fags and manufactured racism. You are living in a vacuum.

[Wrathbringer]

Can't wait to watch Trump slaughter Hillary in the debates.

[Whirlin]

Found this:

http://i.imgur.com/s76x5Hh.jpg

[Fallen]

Heh.

AND NO DILDOS!

[GS4Pirate]

Can't wait to watch Trump slaughter Hillary in the debates.

She will avoid debates like the plague, she's going to have to take such a sharp right turn, the streets will be paved with LGBT..... roadkill that's been thrown under the bus.....errr train.

[Taernath]

Found this:

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/barack-obama-joe-biden-sick-burn.gif

[Gelston]

She will avoid debates like the plague, she's going to have to take such a sharp right turn, the streets will be paved with LGBT..... roadkill that's been thrown under the bus.....errr train.

rofl, no she won't. Hillary is actually touted as a very good debater. I'm just curious how Trump will do in them.

[Gelston]

Kasich is out now too. Trump will be the de jure nominee soon enough.

[GS4Pirate]

rofl, no she won't. Hillary is actually touted as a very good debater. I'm just curious how Trump will do in them.

I'm not questioning her debating skills, not at all. It's the topic of debate, this is a completely different electorate than the 90's. Like I have been saying, people don't fucking care about these social issues right now, they can't afford to. She will have to do a 180 on so many issues, it will be ugly.

If she/the Democrats were smart or Republicans for that matter, first ones to say "We will end the federal prohibition on Cannabis day 1, using executive order." wins the election. Why either side is hesitating at this point proves how fucking useless they all are.

[Gelston]

I'm not questioning her debating skills, not at all. It's the topic of debate, this is a completely different electorate than the 90's. Like I have been saying, people don't fucking care about these social issues right now, they can't afford to. She will have to do a 180 on so many issues, it will be ugly.

If she/the Democrats were smart or Republicans for that matter, first ones to say "We will end the federal prohibition on Cannabis day 1, using executive order." wins the election. Why either side is hesitating at this point proves how fucking useless they all are.

I think you are horridly out of touch. Trump is going to be annihilated. Also, the pot thing wouldn't necessarily win. It has been voted down in states before that wanted to legalize it.

[Taernath]

I'm not questioning her debating skills, not at all. It's the topic of debate, this is a completely different electorate than the 90's. Like I have been saying, people don't fucking care about these social issues right now, they can't afford to. She will have to do a 180 on so many issues, it will be ugly.

If they don't care why is she going to have to do a 180?

[Gelston]

If they don't care why is she going to have to do a 180?

Yeah, it is said on the news time and time again, older voters don't care as much, younger voters do. Older voters are already generally firmly implanted in their respective camps and won't be moving anyways, younger voters are the ones that you need to win over to win an election. This includes women who generally poll heavily against Trump.

[GS4Pirate]

If they don't care why is she going to have to do a 180?

Because the majority are so full of "I don't care about this shit" that if they hear anyone that remotely leans in the direction of this SJW bullshit it makes them want to vomit. That's really the best way I can put it, Clinton will have to do her best to stuff the moonbeams in the closet.

[Archigeek]

Don't think he has the self-discipline to keep it toned down all the way to November.

This is crazy surreal that he's the nominee....I went to college with Ivanka, both of us graduated in 2004 from Penn. I didn't have any classes with her though, since we had different concentrations. I remember walking back from the Wharton graduation ceremony to the school reception, and he and his family were maybe 10 to 15 feet behind us. Should've taken a picture with him.

A picture? Have you seen the movie or read The Dead Zone? You had your chance.

[Taernath]

Because the majority are so full of "I don't care about this shit" that if they hear anyone that remotely leans in the direction of this SJW bullshit it makes them want to vomit. That's really the best way I can put it, Clinton will have to do her best to stuff the moonbeams in the closet.

Gonna have to go with Gelston on this one, you sound really out of touch. The MRA/redpill forums you frequent aren't anything close to being representative of the majority of voters. I bet most people don't even know what an SJW is.

[Nathala Crane]

Can't wait to watch Trump slaughter Hillary in the debates.

You're funny.

[GS4Pirate]

Gonna have to go with Gelston on this one, you sound really out of touch. The MRA/redpill forums you frequent aren't anything close to being representative of the majority of voters. I bet most people don't even know what an SJW is.

We will just have to wait and see. People may not know what SJW stands for, but they sure the fuck know the language when they hear it and it usually comes with undertones of "Give me your money".

I'm still sticking with the guy who has never been wrong......say it with me slowly, good morning President Trump.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not a fan of Trump, but he's going to beat Hillary by 8-10 points. Country is tired of establishment candidates AND 8 years of Obama. I'll point to the scoreboard in November when it happens.

[Archigeek]

Not a fan of Trump, but he's going to beat Hillary by 8-10 points. Country is tired of establishment candidates AND 8 years of Obama. I'll point to the scoreboard in November when it happens.

Quoted for quotiness. Remember, remember, the 1st of November.

I do agree that the voters are sick of establishment politicians, or more importantly, sick of watching middle class jobs disappear while wages at the remaining jobs stagnate... all while politicians serve the highest bidder. It's time for politicians to start working for the people again. The trouble is though, that Trump just isn't the right candidate to represent the people. Disaffected, xenophobic, middle age white men with an superiority complex just aren't a large enough demographic to win the election.

It's a strange state of affairs, where we have two, very disliked candidates who will be running for the office of the presidency. We're all faced with the choice between shit candidate #1, and shit candidate #2, which would you prefer?

[Gelston]

Isn't it neat how everyone forgot about the open Supreme Court seat?

[GS4Pirate]

Remember Archi, only one of those hated candidates will have to pretend to not be an establishment politician and distancing herself from the obvious fact that she is an insider will make her look fucking retarded or even more so.

No, it's not going to be easy for Hillary to pretend that she's not a completely out of touch filthy rich white woman who has suckled on the Trump cock in the past.

It's going to be juicy.

[Candor]

Clinton is going to win unless she makes a really bad mistake before the election.

I am really disappointed with the Republican party for not producing a better candidate (which arguably would have been anyone else who was running).

[Wrathbringer]

Isn't it neat how everyone forgot about the open Supreme Court seat?

No.

[Gelston]

No.

No one likes you, not even Jesus.

[Gelston]

Clinton is going to win unless she makes a really bad mistake before the election.

I am really disappointed with the Republican party for not producing a better candidate (which arguably would have been anyone else who was running).

Hah, except Cruz. I grew to hate Fiorina too. I think Kasich was our best bet out of all of them to be honest.

[Wrathbringer]

Hah, except Cruz. I grew to hate Fiorina too. I think Kasich was our best bet out of all of them to be honest.

Again, for posterity, Kasich is a functional retard.

[Gelston]

Again, for posterity, Kasich is a functional retard.

Your trolling is old and stagnant.

[Candor]

I think Kasich was our best bet out of all of them to be honest.

I agree that Kasich was the best choice. I hope he runs again in 2020 and that his campaign becomes more visible.

[Wrathbringer]

My anus is old and stagnant.

I was about to post the same to you, actually, with the not even Jesus thing. You've said that to a few people here lately.

[Wrathbringer]

Again, for posterity, Kasich is a functional retard.


I agree that Kasich was the best choice. I hope he runs again in 2020 and that his campaign becomes more visible.

Somehow I knew Candor would be pro-Kasich.

[GS4Pirate]

Clinton is going to win unless she makes a really bad mistake before the election.

I am really disappointed with the Republican party for not producing a better candidate (which arguably would have been anyone else who was running).

If they would drop their association with the Bush's, they would be in a very different place. Seriously, they must have mental midgets running the show, it's like they don't understand that the half-life of the Bush contamination is infinite. Everyone that had the slightest association with the Bush admin. should have been loudly excommunicated from the party.

[Gelston]

I was about to post the same to you, actually, with the not even Jesus thing. You've said that to a few people here lately.

Are you admitting to being slow?

[Wrathbringer]

Are you admitting to being slow?

Yes.

[ClydeR]

Remember, remember, the 1st of November.

May the Fourth be with you (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Day).


I do agree that the voters are sick of establishment politicians, or more importantly, sick of watching middle class jobs disappear while wages at the remaining jobs stagnate... all while politicians serve the highest bidder. It's time for politicians to start working for the people again. The trouble is though, that Trump just isn't the right candidate to represent the people. Disaffected, xenophobic, middle age white men with an superiority complex just aren't a large enough demographic to win the election.

I believe Trump would be the fourth President to be elected in this century or the last without first holding another elected office. All of the others held multiple important unelected public positions before being elected President. Trump would be unique in having no prior public service experience.

Should I name the others, or do you want to figure it out for yourself?

[Archigeek]

May the Fourth be with you (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Day).



I believe Trump would be the fourth President to be elected in this century....

Should I name the others, or do you want to figure it out for yourself?

Actually he'd be the third: Obama and Bush were elected twice each, in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. Any other questions you'd like me to answer for you? I figured you would have the basics in hand by now.

[Gelston]

Actually he'd be the third: Obama and Bush were elected twice each, in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. Any other questions you'd like me to answer for you? I figured you would have the basics in hand by now.

He'd be the 1st without holding another elected office in this decade, century, and millennium... since it isn't the 1900s anymore.

[Wrathbringer]

rofl, no she won't. Hillary is actually touted as a very good debater. I'm just curious how Trump will do in them.

rofl Hillary is having trouble with a 70 year old self-professed socialist. Trump won every Republican debate. I think he'll be fine.

[Archigeek]

He'd be the 1st without holding another elected office in this decade, century, and millennium... since it isn't the 1900s anymore.

Punctuation is important for clarity!

[Jarvan]

rofl Hillary is having trouble with a 70 year old self-professed socialist. Trump won every Republican debate. I think he'll be fine.

Not to mention that Bernie won't even hit her on her issues.

Pass on email, Pass on Benghazi, Pass on her foundation, pass pass pass.

I mean.. her foundation.. seriously.. it spends only 14% (being generous and rounding up) on ACTUAL Charity. How the fuck is that a charity foundation?

[Jarvan]

Now would be the time for Trump to have his press conference.

"I just wanted to say... I was fucking with you all!! I don't want to be President, what the fuck were you people thinking voting for me? Are you out of your minds? Seriously folks, you got to be insane to vote for me. So.. yeah, I quit, I make more wiping my ass running my company then being president for 4 years."

[GS4Pirate]

We gots to bring them to heel:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXulk0T8cg

So fucked.

[GS4Pirate]

Not to mention that Bernie won't even hit her on her issues.

Pass on email, Pass on Benghazi, Pass on her foundation, pass pass pass.

I mean.. her foundation.. seriously.. it spends only 14% (being generous and rounding up) on ACTUAL Charity. How the fuck is that a charity foundation?

My past employer ran the "Fight Like a Girl" charity, nothing but thieves feeding off others misfortune, they lost the account a couple years ago. For the average dick, donating to the red kettle in front of Walmart or your local podunk run down church is a safer bet than any of these not for profits. Or actually doing something rather than handing over cash is probably the best.

[Nathala Crane]

I agree that Kasich was the best choice. I hope he runs again in 2020 and that his campaign becomes more visible.

I hope so, too. Kasich vs Clinton would actually resemble a serious election.

[Jarvan]

My past employer ran the "Fight Like a Girl" charity, nothing but thieves feeding off others misfortune, they lost the account a couple years ago. For the average dick, donating to the red kettle in front of Walmart or your local podunk run down church is a safer bet than any of these not for profits. Or actually doing something rather than handing over cash is probably the best.

Well.. I always wondered why Saudi Arabia would donate 10 Million bucks.. for what exactly? Certainly not for women's rights throughout the world. Clean water in Africa? Um.. Couldn't they do it themselves?

But this is telling... 2014.. Foundation spent $248,221,698.

Direct program expenditures $33,692,599

13.57% went to actual programs.

Salaries and benefits $ 95,887,139

Also.. there are no real numbers for 2015 yet. They can't show those till AFTER Nov I bet.

[Parkbandit]

I think she could lose if she gets indicted. Assuming nothing on that level takes place, it should be a straightforward win for her.

Yes... she's not a flawed candidate at all.. I mean, even a no named socialist can't beat her.

Oh wait...

[Parkbandit]

Not a fan of Trump, but he's going to beat Hillary by 8-10 points. Country is tired of establishment candidates AND 8 years of Obama. I'll point to the scoreboard in November when it happens.

If you would have said that a year ago.. I would have laughed at you.

Now, I'm right there with you.

[GS4Pirate]

Well.. I always wondered why Saudi Arabia would donate 10 Million bucks.. for what exactly? Certainly not for women's rights throughout the world. Clean water in Africa? Um.. Couldn't they do it themselves?

But this is telling... 2014.. Foundation spent $248,221,698.

Direct program expenditures $33,692,599

13.57% went to actual programs.

Salaries and benefits $ 95,887,139

Also.. there are no real numbers for 2015 yet. They can't show those till AFTER Nov I bet.

I used to hate the annual meeting for this shit. The second to last year they had some big cancer presentation, during the presentation they had some chart showing the various top killing cancers. Of course all the focus is on breast cancer during this presentation and I made mention of the fact that lung cancer kills far more people as the chart being shown confirmed. Then proceeded to ask why there are not more charities focused on lung cancer, considering that work place environment was listed as one of the top contributors to lung cancer. Basically the short answer was, breast cancer sells better.

[Kembal]

Well.. I always wondered why Saudi Arabia would donate 10 Million bucks.. for what exactly? Certainly not for women's rights throughout the world. Clean water in Africa? Um.. Couldn't they do it themselves?

But this is telling... 2014.. Foundation spent $248,221,698.

Direct program expenditures $33,692,599

13.57% went to actual programs.

Salaries and benefits $ 95,887,139

Also.. there are no real numbers for 2015 yet. They can't show those till AFTER Nov I bet.

Nonprofit filing deadline is May 15. You can get an automatic 3 month extension to August 15. You can get another 3 month extension to November 15, but must provide an explanation as to why you need the extension.

Also, where are you pulling your numbers from? I've looked at the Clinton Foundation Form 990s before, and those numbers don't match. Unless there's some other Clinton Foundation I'm not thinking of here.

[Jarvan]

Nonprofit filing deadline is May 15. You can get an automatic 3 month extension to August 15. You can get another 3 month extension to November 15, but must provide an explanation as to why you need the extension.

Also, where are you pulling your numbers from? I've looked at the Clinton Foundation Form 990s before, and those numbers don't match. Unless there's some other Clinton Foundation I'm not thinking of here.

Right from their website.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf

page 18.

As to what you said.. it basically means we will not see shit for 2015 till Nov 15th.

[ClydeR]

I read somewhere that Trump has his own charitable foundation. The donations come from him and some professional wrestlers. No kidding.

[Taernath]

I read somewhere that Trump has his own charitable foundation. The donations come from him and some professional wrestlers. No kidding.

http://i.imgur.com/C1E21MG.gif

http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/trump-slap-vince.gif
#MakeWWEGreatAgain

[GS4Pirate]

I read somewhere that Trump has his own charitable foundation. The donations come from him and some professional wrestlers. No kidding.

Fuck you ClydeR, things just got real:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX_k5_egUAo

[GS4Pirate]

And more hood rat racists, manufacturing racism. I know it's Trumps fault and stuff.


http://pix11.com/2016/05/03/suny-albany-students-accused-of-fabricating-racially-motivated-attack-indicted-on-charges/

[Fallen]

Yes... she's not a flawed candidate at all.. I mean, even a no named socialist can't beat her.

Oh wait...

I assume you'll want to make a bet, then?

[Parkbandit]

I assume you'll want to make a bet, then?

Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.

No thanks. I just laugh at all the liberals and their undying faith in Hillary.

[Archigeek]

Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.

No thanks. I just laugh at all the liberals and their undying faith in Hillary.

I don't think I've indicated any faith in Hillary, undying or otherwise, but keep laughing. I am really having a hard time seeing how anyone would want Trump as commander in chief. Hillary is going to give you predictable, middle of the road politics, bought and paid for. While I don't care for that much, I am pretty leery of a nut job like Trump in the White House.

[Jarvan]

I don't think I've indicated any faith in Hillary, undying or otherwise, but keep laughing. I am really having a hard time seeing how anyone would want Trump as commander in chief. Hillary is going to give you predictable, middle of the road politics, bought and paid for. While I don't care for that much, I am pretty leery of a nut job like Trump in the White House.

Yeah... right. Just wondering, are you in Colorado, or Washington state, cause if you aren't, you are likely violating the law with what you are smoking.

[Wrathbringer]

I don't think I've indicated any faith in Hillary, undying or otherwise, but keep laughing. I am really having a hard time seeing how anyone would want Obama as commander in chief. Hillary is going to give you predictable, retarded liberal road politics, bought and paid for. While I don't care for that much, I am pretty leery of a nut job like Obama in the White House.

Fixed.

[GS4Pirate]

I just wanted to put this here so the Democrats are reminded that the race card will have to remain in the sleeve:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oja7kVKfqac

[GS4Pirate]

Or the gay marriage card, or the Iraq card:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkK2_6H9MM

[Jarvan]

Or the gay marriage card, or the Iraq card:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkK2_6H9MM

But she Evolved. I mean.. duh.

[GS4Pirate]

Or the woman card:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Os_yPVVsPQ

[GS4Pirate]

She can still run on killing babies though, I dare you.

[Jarvan]

She can still run on killing babies though, I dare you.

Well.. I am sure she was against baby killing before she was for it. (I bet she protested the Vietnam war and called them baby killers)

Course.. that is the main reason why they want to refer to a baby as a fetus or parasite right up till the point it is born.

[GS4Pirate]

Well.. I am sure she was against baby killing before she was for it. (I bet she protested the Vietnam war and called them baby killers)

Course.. that is the main reason why they want to refer to a baby as a fetus or parasite right up till the point it is born.

That's where we get to pull out the "Are you science deniers?" card.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXEm08dsQOc

[drauz]

Well.. I am sure she was against baby killing before she was for it. (I bet she protested the Vietnam war and called them baby killers)

Course.. that is the main reason why they want to refer to a baby as a fetus or parasite right up till the point it is born.

because its not a baby... its a fetus...

[Latrinsorm]

of course....

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/bombshell-poll-20-republicans-vote-hillary-clinton-trump-wins.html

Now.. their numbers are shit.

I may not be the best at math, but 19% of 40% is not nearly 20% of GOP voters. It's more like 7.6% of GoP voters. (only 40% said they wouldn't vote trump, of which of that 40%, 19% said they would vote Hillary)The headline nearly 20% number is "18% of very likely Republican general election voters would support Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump.", the 19% is as you correctly calculate an entirely different parameter, altogether.
I'm not questioning her debating skills, not at all. It's the topic of debate, this is a completely different electorate than the 90's. Like I have been saying, people don't fucking care about these social issues right now, they can't afford to. She will have to do a 180 on so many issues, it will be ugly.As you say, this is a completely different electorate than the 90s, but in the opposite direction you claim. As just one example people were opposed to gay marriage 70-25 in the 90s, they are now 60-35 in favor.

[Gelston]

Don't worry, all the Bernie voters are going to vote for Trump, because he said that is what is going to happen.

[~Rocktar~]

Well.. I am sure she was against baby killing before she was for it. (I bet she protested the Vietnam war and called them baby killers)

Course.. that is the main reason why they want to refer to a baby as a fetus or parasite right up till the point it is born.

Children are much more parasitic after they are born, the older, the more parasitic these days it seems.

[GS4Pirate]

As you say, this is a completely different electorate than the 90s, but in the opposite direction you claim. As just one example people were opposed to gay marriage 70-25 in the 90s, they are now 60-35 in favor.

I know you enjoy stats, normally I do as well. But politics, you have to use more than stats, I think the rasmussen poll from 2012 proved very well how stats can be shaky in politics. Avoiding getting caught in a vacuum can be difficult, especially when you have a horse in the race. You have to get out in the trenches, exchange ideas with people, welcome all walks of life to your social media feeds and not get all block happy because you don't like what you are hearing.

In my honest unbiased opinion, remember Rand was who I was supporting, Clinton does not stand a chance and here is why. This is something you don't see mentioned a whole lot, there is a subconscious connection people make between Bush and Clinton, it's kind of like eating peas and carrots for 7 days straight, you don't feel like peas or carrots on the 8th day. Clinton will be heavily reliant on the millennials, never a solid bet and I would imagine a good number of Bernie supporters will stay home and take bong rips. Clinton is not going to be getting the black vote she's hoping for, the predator line is going to hurt big.

I also think once the Clinton\Trump cannons start firing, you're going to see the #nevertrump thing quickly vanish. Clinton is hated that much.

Sorry Latrin, I'm just not feeling it or seeing it. Nor is the guy that has never been wrong. I'm being honest with you, it's just not going to happen. Bernie is the Democrats best candidate :shrug:

[Archigeek]

Clinton is hated, Trump is hated. All these things GS you say are going to hurt her aren't really going to matter. Super predators, Whitewater, being against gays before she was for them... none of that crap means shit to the demographics that they countered with, because the alternative is Trump. The idea that the black vote, for example, won't help her shows a complete pie in the sky separation from all past reality. Like I said earlier, middle aged, xenophobic white males with a superiority complex just isn't a big enough demographic to win with. You guys are fucked, face it.

As much as I don't really want to see Clinton as President, the Republican party has presented such a ridiculous alternative that it's almost a forgone conclusion. Your odds are Dumb and Dumber kind of odds. Have fun speculating!

[GS4Pirate]

Clinton is hated, Trump is hated. All these things GS you say are going to hurt her aren't really going to matter. Super predators, Whitewater, being against gays before she was for them... none of that crap means shit to the demographics that they countered with, because the alternative is Trump. The idea that the black vote, for example, won't help her shows a complete pie in the sky separation from all past reality. Like I said earlier, middle aged, xenophobic white males with a superiority complex just isn't a big enough demographic to win with. You guys are fucked, face it.

As much as I don't really want to see Clinton as President, the Republican party has presented such a ridiculous alternative that it's almost a forgone conclusion. Your odds are Dumb and Dumber kind of odds. Have fun speculating!

Dumb and Dumber kind of odds? How many times do I have to repeat this, The guy that has NEVER been wrong with his predicting.....what was it 96%-98% chance of Trump beating Hillary. Are you even hearing what the fuck is going on? Is Hillary pulling these kinds of numbers to her rallies? She can't even beat Bernie without a head start.

I'm sorry, but ridiculous is what the Democrats are rolling. I'm more than happy to watch Hillary try to pull all those cards, it will be one mistake after another.

[Taernath]

Funny thing is no matter who is elected neither candidate will be able to get anything done. Republicans hate Hillary, and both sides hate Trump.

[Candor]

Funny thing is no matter who is elected neither candidate will be able to get anything done.

I wish you were wrong, but you're not.

[Jeril]

It's rather unlikely that either candidate will put forth anything worth getting done anyway, which is even sadder. And I don't mean the idea of what they want to get done but more how they'd go about it.

[GS4Pirate]

Funny thing is no matter who is elected neither candidate will be able to get anything done. Republicans hate Hillary, and both sides hate Trump.

Very true, though our system is designed to not function unless there is a universal agreement. If you think about it, it's probably a good thing. With the demeanor the country is currently in, it's probably best that we are not making any major decision. Both parties are pretty much being held hostage by extremists.

Not that I wouldn't like to see some shit get done............

[GS4Pirate]

Gangs of New York is probably my favorite movie, for me it's fun to compare the issues of those times (or at least Hollywood's version of the times) to today. It's like watching this endless cycle of the same issues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJNFnYPJHWA

[Kembal]

Right from their website.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf

page 18.

As to what you said.. it basically means we will not see shit for 2015 till Nov 15th.

ok, I see the numbers. And you're right, based on past filings, they're not going to file til Nov. 15.

[Jarvan]

The headline nearly 20% number is "18% of very likely Republican general election voters would support Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump.", the 19% is as you correctly calculate an entirely different parameter, altogether.As you say, this is a completely different electorate than the 90s, but in the opposite direction you claim. As just one example people were opposed to gay marriage 70-25 in the 90s, they are now 60-35 in favor.

No.. the Headline says... Bombshell Poll: Nearly 20% Of Republicans Will Vote For Hillary Clinton If Trump Wins

Which is not true at all.

The next line reads.. A new Suffolk University poll has found that 19% of Republicans say they will support Hillary Clinton if Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination.

Which is also, once again.. NOT TRUE.

[Jarvan]

ok, I see the numbers. And you're right, based on past filings, they're not going to file til Nov. 15.

Of course not, they need to keep how much money she is taking from foreign countries out of the news as long as possible.

Here are some funny things....


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[Parkbandit]

Funny thing is no matter who is elected neither candidate will be able to get anything done. Republicans hate Hillary, and both sides hate Trump.

Slowing down more government regulations isn't a bad thing.

[Wrathbringer]

Slowing down more government regulations isn't a bad thing.

This.

[Latrinsorm]

I know you enjoy stats, normally I do as well. But politics, you have to use more than stats, I think the rasmussen poll from 2012 proved very well how stats can be shaky in politics. Avoiding getting caught in a vacuum can be difficult, especially when you have a horse in the race. You have to get out in the trenches, exchange ideas with people, welcome all walks of life to your social media feeds and not get all block happy because you don't like what you are hearing.

In my honest unbiased opinion, remember Rand was who I was supporting, Clinton does not stand a chance and here is why. This is something you don't see mentioned a whole lot, there is a subconscious connection people make between Bush and Clinton, it's kind of like eating peas and carrots for 7 days straight, you don't feel like peas or carrots on the 8th day. Clinton will be heavily reliant on the millennials, never a solid bet and I would imagine a good number of Bernie supporters will stay home and take bong rips. Clinton is not going to be getting the black vote she's hoping for, the predator line is going to hurt big. The irony with this line of reasoning is that I've never blocked anyone on social media and I have eaten the same thing for lunch every day for more days than I can remember.
Sorry Latrin, I'm just not feeling it or seeing it. Nor is the guy that has never been wrong. I'm being honest with you, it's just not going to happen. Bernie is the Democrats best candidate :shrug:As I said in the other thread, the guy's model that goes back a hundred years demands primary support over 50% in NH or SC, which obviously predicts a Clinton win. I don't know why he's switched to a model that only works since 1996 which only takes into account wins (which obviously predicts a Trump win). If you don't either, I would think you'd be very leery of supporting his findings.
No.. the Headline says... Bombshell Poll: Nearly 20% Of Republicans Will Vote For Hillary Clinton If Trump Wins Which is not true at all. The next line reads.. A new Suffolk University poll has found that 19% of Republicans say they will support Hillary Clinton if Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination. Which is also, once again.. NOT TRUE.Do you honestly not see the line that says "18% of very likely Republican general election voters would support Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump."? This is a weird discussion.

[Archigeek]

Dumb and Dumber kind of odds? How many times do I have to repeat this, The guy that has NEVER been wrong with his predicting.....what was it 96%-98% chance of Trump beating Hillary. Are you even hearing what the fuck is going on? Is Hillary pulling these kinds of numbers to her rallies? She can't even beat Bernie without a head start.

I'm sorry, but ridiculous is what the Democrats are rolling. I'm more than happy to watch Hillary try to pull all those cards, it will be one mistake after another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA&index=6&list=RDgqdNe8u-Jsg

[Parkbandit]

Anyone think Trump has a shot of winning the general election? We can put money on it. I most likely won't bother collecting.

Lulz

https://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2345

[Warriorbird]

Slowing down more government regulations isn't a bad thing.

Thus say all the Democrats and Republicans responsible for 2008 at the least.

[Parkbandit]

Thus say all the Democrats and Republicans responsible for 2008 at the least.

You are still so very confused as to what happened then.

Poor thing.

[Warriorbird]

You are still so very confused as to what happened then.

Poor thing.

Or maybe I paid attention to the deregulation that lead to it as opposed to fetishizing it.

[drauz]

Lulz

https://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2345

From your poll:

"voters in all three states say she has higher moral standards."

[Parkbandit]

Or maybe I paid attention to the deregulation that lead to it as opposed to fetishizing it.

Fannie Mae.

Freddie Mac.

Just stop.

[Warriorbird]

Fannie Mae.

Freddie Mac.

Just stop.

The problem is you did stop. You want to narrow the scope of everything to just one notion but that same spirit of deregulation was active in the actions of both. You're once again actively playing political football because you can't let go. Both parties have been sold out to the notion since basically Carter.

They've actually got you thinking that bubble economies are good for us all.

[GS4Pirate]

It's the consumers fault.

They vote the fucktards into office (or don't vote at all), they buy the home they know they can't afford, they still show up for a job that does not pay, they still allow themselves to be taxed by the corrupt officials they elected. All they have to do is say no, not anymore and quit being a nation of fucking pussies that's afraid to lose stuff.

[Parkbandit]

The problem is you did stop. You want to narrow the scope of everything to just one notion but that same spirit of deregulation was active in the actions of both. You're once again actively playing political football because you can't let go. Both parties have been sold out to the notion since basically Carter.

A bank won't loan money to someone who can't pay it back without a safeguard. The government put up the safeguard. The banks took advantage of them.

You blame the banks for using the government regulations to their benefit. I blame the government for putting in those safeguards and allowing the banks to use them.


They've actually got you thinking that bubble economies are good for us all.

Please don't start your mind reading bullshit again. Like everything else, you aren't good at it.

[~Rocktar~]

It's the consumers fault.

They vote the fucktards into office (or don't vote at all), they buy the home they know they can't afford, they still show up for a job that does not pay, they still allow themselves to be taxed by the corrupt officials they elected. All they have to do is say no, not anymore and quit being a nation of fucking pussies that's afraid to lose stuff.

This is a very accurate assessment. All of it boils down to a lack of self control and discipline in putting off reward. In short, it is all a symptom of emotional immaturity. It's the reason people are voluntary economic slaves to their own desires, why they do drugs and innumerable other self destructive behaviors. We don't learn how to endure hardship or pain and recognize that it is a part of life, we don't learn how to delay gratification and as a population we don't learn how to discipline ourselves.

[Warriorbird]

A bank won't loan money to someone who can't pay it back without a safeguard. The government put up the safeguard. The banks took advantage of them.

You blame the banks for using the government regulations to their benefit. I blame the government for putting in those safeguards and allowing the banks to use them.



Please don't start your mind reading bullshit again. Like everything else, you aren't good at it.

It's funny when you drop that stuff when I just blamed the government and not the banks. So pointless. So typical.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not a fan of Trump, but he's going to beat Hillary by 8-10 points. Country is tired of establishment candidates AND 8 years of Obama. I'll point to the scoreboard in November when it happens.

Points to the scoreboard.

[Fallen]

Points to the scoreboard.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/036/342/youwintheinternet.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Points to the scoreboard.Would you like to source a scoreboard that has Trump up 8 points on Hilary?