Cruz Sex Scandal

[Gelston]

Just started trending huge on Twitter #CruzSexScandal

It is based on this National Enquirer story.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/ted-cruz-sex-scandal-mistresses-cheating-claims/

National Enquirer, to be trusted? Does it matter? How much will this hurt him?

I think he may be fucked, true story or not.

[Astray]

RIP Cruz campaign.

Man, the tweets are fucking gold.

[Gelston]

As noted by others, the Enquirer was right about John Edwards.

[Gelston]

Gross. There are rumors of a sex tape.

[Astray]

Gross. There are rumors of a sex tape.

Get the fuck out of here.

[Gelston]

Get the fuck out of here.

It was reported by some sites I never heard of before, so it could just be bullshit.

[Tgo01]

How can this booger eat get more tail than me?

[Jarvan]

Just started trending huge on Twitter #CruzSexScandal

It is based on this National Enquirer story.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/ted-cruz-sex-scandal-mistresses-cheating-claims/

National Enquirer, to be trusted? Does it matter? How much will this hurt him?

I think he may be fucked, true story or not.

It's sad really.. if this much effort was put into looking into Hillary's email servers, or any of the other 80 scandals...

Actually.. if you think about it, if this is true, shouldn't all the Clinton fanboys back him now?

[Gelston]

Amanda Carpenter and Katrina Pierson are two of the women the he allegedly slept with.

[Gelston]

It's sad really.. if this much effort was put into looking into Hillary's email servers, or any of the other 80 scandals...

Actually.. if you think about it, if this is true, shouldn't all the Clinton fanboys back him now?

http://c2.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/styles/original_image_with_cropping/public/uploaded/bill-clinton-sex-scandals-hillary-campaign.jpg?itok=W6yOiBz2

[Jarvan]

Amanda Carpenter and Katrina Pierson are two of the women the he allegedly slept with.

LOL.. a Trump supporter. Now that's rich.

I tell you tho.. I got to get into politics, even if it's all a lie, he still fake slept with some fairly hot women. Not bad really.

[Gelston]

LOL.. a Trump supporter. Now that's rich.

I tell you tho.. I got to get into politics, even if it's all a lie, he still fake slept with some fairly hot women. Not bad really.

Heh, a lot of the comments I've seen are like "Story is false. There aren't 5 women that would sleep with Cruz."

[Jarvan]

Heh, a lot of the comments I've seen are like "Story is false. There aren't 5 women that would sleep with Cruz."

I would be surprised if one woman would sleep with him 5 times.


Seriously tho.. if he fucked Katrina Pierson, you would think the Trump people would have brought it up long before. I mean.. why wait till it looks like it could be an open convention, drop the shoe right away, and seal the deal.

[Gelston]

I would be surprised if one woman would sleep with him 5 times.


Seriously tho.. if he fucked Katrina Pierson, you would think the Trump people would have brought it up long before. I mean.. why wait till it looks like it could be an open convention, drop the shoe right away, and seal the deal.

Apparently the story has been on hold for a bit. I read some stuff about the CEO of the company that owns NE being buddies with Trump. Maybe he was just holding it and this is what Trump was warning him about.

[Jarvan]

Apparently the story has been on hold for a bit. I read some stuff about the CEO of the company that owns NE being buddies with Trump. Maybe he was just holding it and this is what Trump was warning him about.

Maybe... but I don't see the benefit to waiting in this case. Having the Repub election drawn out this long when potentially he could have quashed it sooner, or at least at Florida, makes little sense.

The only point I could see was he was afraid of a resurgent Rubio, or of Kasich. Kasich hasn't had a shot in hell ever. Rubio could have done it if X,Y,Z happened.

Just seems... odd... that a prominent spokes person for one candidate, had an affair with another, and kept it quiet. Even if it happened BEFORE the race started. (Which, lets face it, seems much much more likely.. her being from a Tea party in TEXAS of all places)

[Gelston]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeYRdUqUUAASKkv.jpg

Sarah worked for Fiorina. That is why that whole fact that Cruz's Super PAC gave Carly's 500k is popping back up with this.

[Jarvan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeYRdUqUUAASKkv.jpg

Sarah worked for Fiorina. That is why that whole fact that Cruz's Super PAC gave Carly's 500k is popping back up with this.

The only thing that would make this epic... is if the two unidentified people were staffers for Clinton and Sanders.

[Gelston]

The only thing that would make this epic... is if the two unidentified people were staffers for Clinton and Sanders.

Haha, Cruz has been banging everyone's staffers it seem.

[Jarvan]

Haha, Cruz has been banging everyone's staffers it seem.

Here is the funny part... in this day and age... wouldn't this make him MORE appealing to young people?

I mean.. Paris Hilton and KK had a sex tape.. and became famous famous. Hulk had one he didn't want really... and people still hear his name.. I thought he was dead.

[Gelston]

Here is the funny part... in this day and age... wouldn't this make him MORE appealing to young people?

I mean.. Paris Hilton and KK had a sex tape.. and became famous famous. Hulk had one he didn't want really... and people still hear his name.. I thought he was dead.

He'll be forever known as the man who killed Gawker too. Well, until next year when people forget Gawker was a thing.

[Astray]

Hogan is coming to give the big elbow to Gawker, brother!

[Jarvan]

Hogan is coming to give the big elbow to Gawker, brother!

Wait.. I thought he already came.

[Astray]

Wait.. I thought he already came.

I am mortified to look up that video. I don't think I ever will.

[GS4Pirate]

I would be surprised if one woman would sleep with him 5 times.


Seriously tho.. if he fucked Katrina Pierson, you would think the Trump people would have brought it up long before. I mean.. why wait till it looks like it could be an open convention, drop the shoe right away, and seal the deal.

Waiting for all the establishment to get behind Cruz then start firing off the big ammo? Maybe Trump was wanting to avoid having to make it public and it was a last resort thing? Or perhaps this is just a start to a pile of shit?

I started following this story yesterday morning, the first I saw of it, the guy that posted it felt pretty confident there was something to it. Granted it's the National enquirer, but this would be a pretty risky fake story to publish in the midst of such a volatile election year. This may also be the reason they have held off on releasing the story, making damn sure they have their ducks in a row.

[Astray]

In all likely-hood it was never brought up to Trump.

It is probably as simple as that.

[GS4Pirate]

That too.

If it is true, it's going to take down more than just Cruz. It would also go a long way in explaining the odd behavior from some of these people I have followed for years.

[ZeP]

Any of my haters on?

[ZeP]

Sheenos. Mine! Got it.

[GS4Pirate]

Washington Times reporter is coming clean, says he can confirm at least two of the affairs.

This is going to get ugly, the press has known about this for at least a couple months from the sounds of it.

Also sounds like there is yet more dirt that is going to be leaked out.

[Jarvan]

Makes you wonder though, if this makes Ted drop out... will the GOP just resign themselves to a Trump, or will they go even more batshit stupid to deny him the Nom?

[Warriorbird]

Strategic to wait to destroy him until there are no other candidates left. Makes Pierson really valuable to Trump if true.


He'll be forever known as the man who killed Gawker too. Well, until next year when people forget Gawker was a thing.

Denton made a devil's bargain to keep his company alive until he can appeal that downward (it'll probably happen, unfortunately, due to tort reform... Thanks Republicans!) Given some of the background circumstances around it it isn't really the suit that should've taken them down. That Condé Nast exec should've righteously destroyed them but he didn't even sue.

[Jarvan]

Strategic to wait to destroy him until there are no other candidates left. Makes Pierson really valuable to Trump if true.

Well.. yes and no.

Remember.. no one "Drops out" anymore. They "Suspend" their campaign. Anyone of them can start back up. Likely? No, possible? Yes.

Makes you wonder what Ted did to Pierson to make her GO to Trump. Hell, she was one of the people pushing for Ted to get elected. (Senate)

[ClydeR]

Look what somebody tweeted on March 2..

https://twitter.com/RBPundit/status/705035877907570688

[Jarvan]

Look what somebody tweeted on March 2..

https://twitter.com/RBPundit/status/705035877907570688

That photo is from like.. 2011 tho when she was campaigning for him for Senate.

[Kembal]

If this story is real, I will be rofling for a week.

Also, then....the GOP's only hope to stop Donald Trump is....John Kasich.

They are completely screwed.

[elcidcannon]

Interesting how this hasn't even made it on Drudge yet.

[Jarvan]

Interesting how this hasn't even made it on Drudge yet.

Fox mentioned it briefly today.. by simply saying the Ted denied it completely.

Actually.. they spent more time on Clinton's emails (no surprise there) and the fact that in February of 2009, she asked her then chief of staff to see if the NSA could get her a secure blackberry for her emails for when she receives classified stuff.

Of course THAT email wasn't turned over to the state department. Go figure.

[shad0ws0ngs]

I originally read that as "crux sex scandal" and thought someone was really getting into the landing mayoral process

[Gelston]

And on FB...


I want to be crystal clear: these attacks are garbage. For Donald J. Trump to enlist his friends at the National Enquirer and his political henchmen to do his bidding shows you that there is no low Donald won’t go. These smears are completely false, they’re offensive to Heidi and me, they’re offensive to our daughters, and they’re offensive to everyone Donald continues to personally attack.Donald Trump’s consistently disgraceful behavior is beneath the office we are seeking and we are not going to follow.



I have no idea whether or not the cover story about Ted Cruz in this week’s issue of the National Enquirer is true or not, but I had absolutely nothing to do with it, did not know about it, and have not, as yet, read it. Likewise, I have nothing to do with the National Enquirer and unlike Lyin’ Ted Cruz I do not surround myself with political hacks and henchman and then pretend total innocence. Ted Cruz’s problem with the National Enquirer is his and his alone, and while they were right about O.J. Simpson, John Edwards, and many others, I certainly hope they are not right about Lyin’ Ted Cruz. I look forward to spending the week in Wisconsin, winning the Republican nomination and ultimately the Presidency in order to Make America Great Again.

https://norasjourneyearlyonsetcongenitalscoliosis.files.wo rdpress.com/2015/04/grief1.jpg

As we can see here, Ted Cruz is at Step 2 concerning his political campaign's future.

[Ashliana]

People on Twitter are calling it the #CubanMistressCrisis. Hilarious.

[~Rocktar~]

Washington Times reporter is coming clean, says he can confirm at least two of the affairs.

This is going to get ugly, the press has known about this for at least a couple months from the sounds of it.

Also sounds like there is yet more dirt that is going to be leaked out.

Of course the press was sitting on it. If Cruz made it to the nomination then they wanted to use it to support their darling HRM oh, sorry HRC.

[Warriorbird]

Of course the press was sitting on it. If Cruz made it to the nomination then they wanted to use it to support their darling HRM oh, sorry HRC.

I'll go with Rocktar on this. Way better for Trump for this to come now.

[GS4Pirate]

And on FB...






https://norasjourneyearlyonsetcongenitalscoliosis.files.wo rdpress.com/2015/04/grief1.jpg

As we can see here, Ted Cruz is at Step 2 concerning his political campaign's future.

I think we may be able to move that to step 5 if this is a measure of the Cruz team morale:

Steve Deace:

If you are promoting this garbage from Trump, then we are not friends. I don't want you as a listener. Don't buy my books. Don't listen to my shows. I'd rather go back to making $35,000/year doing local sports talk radio then service your cult, if that's what it takes to make it big. Trump isn't a tough guy, anyway. He's a passive-aggressive wimp who's too scared to debate Ted Cruz one-on-one, so he attacks his wife instead. Then he attacks his marriage through his sycophant that runs a discredited trashy tabloid, and at a time he's doing no public events for eight days like the coward he is. Ain't that rich, an admitted serial adulter spreading lies about another man's marital fidelity. Just goes to show you what Trump thinks about his supporters -- that you're a bunch of gullible, amoral lemmings.
If you have been ensnared by Trump, but know this is wrong and not sure what to do, the message of Holy Week urges you to come home now for it's never too late to seek redemption. Judas called and said take a look at Katrina Pierson. For months she's been a Trump shill, defending the indefensible. Her reward for her soul has been having Trump's henchman, Roger Stone, affix a scarlet letter to her in public as a whoring adulteress. How's that for loyalty? Does Trump seem like the kind of man we should grant IRS, or surveillance power to? Don't be Trump's next mark. Now is the time to walk away from the darkness and back into the light. This might be your last chance to get your integrity back. Don't miss it.
If you are still supporting the knuckle-dragger Trump after this garbage, then we are not friends and you should be ashamed of yourself. Not even the Marxists pull crap like this. Don't ask me to help you with anything in the future, because I won't. Don't ask me to support you or any of your causes in the future, because I won't. I'm taking studious notes of who realizes what a baseless and depraved scam this has become, and from this point forward if you continue to cover for this creepy thug you're dead to me. Especially pulling this garbage Holy Week of all times. Consider this me kicking the dust off my sandals and leaving Tyre and Sidon behind.
The line in the sand has been drawn. I'm fine having fewer "friends." Just means more free time. Besides, if you're going to support this piece of human debris we shouldn't be friends anyway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lmfsTSYVJ8

[GS4Pirate]

We may consider changing "Thanks Obama!" to "Trump did it!".

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/ted-cruz-affair-rumors-peddled-by-marco-rubio-s-allies.html

[Delcry]

Where there is smoke, there is fire. The National Enquirer would not run this story if there was not some proof.

Cruz should drop out of the Presidential race and avoid causing more harm to his family.

[elcidcannon]

it's still interesting that it hasn't hit the mainstream media yet.

[Gelston]

it's still interesting that it hasn't hit the mainstream media yet.

Because they protect Cruz a bunch. Did you know an e-mail address from Cruz's senate office was on Ashley Madison? It isn't his personal one and there isn't a surefire way to tie it to him, but someone in that office used it.

[ClydeR]

Roger Stone Drops Bombshell After Bombshell About Cruz Sex Scandal:
If It's Not All True, "Sue Me Immediately"


Trump confidant Roger Stone spoke with Frank Morano on AM970 The Answer in New Jersey/New York on Sunday morning about allegations that he planted the story in this week's National Enquirer accusing Ted Cruz of multiple extra-marital affairs.

"He’s a lawyer himself," he said, "so why won’t he sue? It won’t cost him anything. To be absolutely clear — Cruz won’t sue because the allegations are largely true."

More... (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/28/trump_cnonfidant_roger_stone_drops_bombshell_after _bombshell_about_cruz_sex_scandal_if_its_not_true_ sue_me_immediately.html)


Click the link and read the article. I wish I could just quote the entire thing. It's a list of good points.

[Methais]

We may consider changing "Thanks Obama!" to "Trump did it!".

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/25/ted-cruz-affair-rumors-peddled-by-marco-rubio-s-allies.html


David Pecker—the CEO of American Media, Inc., which publishes the Enquirer—is tight with Trump.

How do you think your lives would have gone if your last name was Pecker?

[Silvean]

How do you think your lives would have gone if your last name was Pecker?

https://lifeintheboomerlane.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/monopoly-man.jpg

You have to ask?

[GS4Pirate]

One side of me, that being the side that wants undeniable proof, wants to hold off on any further guessing.

The other half, the intuitive side, watches shit like this and thinks "Ted you dirty motherfucker"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSI8jUoHg0k

[kutter]

Don't really care if Ted slept with them. I am voting for him because of his Constitutional convictions which Trump seemingly lacks. As som talk show host said, Trump is a passive-aggressive narcissistic and a wimp, and people want him to lead the free world?

[GS4Pirate]

Don't really care if Ted slept with them. I am voting for him because of his Constitutional convictions which Trump seemingly lacks. As som talk show host said, Trump is a passive-aggressive narcissistic and a wimp, and people want him to lead the free world?

Are you asking for my approval ? By all means vote for the new seven mountain dominion constitution, I just hope you follow their practices....or else.

[Warriorbird]

Don't really care if Ted slept with them. I am voting for him because of his Constitutional convictions which Trump seemingly lacks. As som talk show host said, Trump is a passive-aggressive narcissistic and a wimp, and people want him to lead the free world?

...and the damage Ted Cruz did to your party for his own benefit doesn't make you think he's passive aggressive? Or the nonsense he did to Ben Carson?

[Jeril]

Isn't half of politics in this country being passive aggressive?

[GS4Pirate]

...and the damage Ted Cruz did to your party for his own benefit doesn't make you think he's passive aggressive? Or the nonsense he did to Ben Carson?

This last video with Cruz and Fiorina, I have seen children look less guilty.

[elcidcannon]

...and the damage Ted Cruz did to your party for his own benefit doesn't make you think he's passive aggressive? Or the nonsense he did to Ben Carson?

And Rubio

[Warriorbird]

And Rubio

I'd imagine that's a big part of why this is leaking.

[Gelston]

I'd imagine that's a big part of why this is leaking.

Rubio has been named as the source by some outlets.

[~Rocktar~]

Don't really care if Ted slept with them. I am voting for him because of his Constitutional convictions which Trump seemingly lacks. As som talk show host said, Trump is a passive-aggressive narcissistic and a wimp, and people want him to lead the free world?

As opposed to an egomaniacal arrogant racist that likes to condescend to the people that elected him who currently doesn't really "lead" the world.

[GS4Pirate]

Now that this is considered battery in today's age, we need to cancel all public activities. Our justice system will be completely bottle necked with lawsuit after lawsuit, everyone chasing after a free ride, happily delivered by our blind (obviously) justice system for their own little slice of the pie. Our secret service will be armed with glitter and will tickle people that pose a threat to our officials.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT3-K9pCvJI&ebc=ANyPxKpWDzeMudZmIgOFeGw4zn1ICkV8ML2jFcYteBQ7LD-9z7j0olIJjuv2hrHUlhBYmXVhz1g01T4qgR5vec3SR4_Z5hHF6 A

Is this what it looks like when you start using a police force to impose your political agenda?

[Warriorbird]

Eh. You can get assault charges from merely a threatening gesture. A man should know not to make contact with a woman... especially a campaign manager.

[GS4Pirate]

Eh. You can get assault charges from merely a threatening gesture. A man should know not to make contact with a woman... especially a campaign manager.

Sorry, I simply don't agree. Mostly considering the Secret Service was telling her to back off and she was not listening. She should have been tackled to the ground by the Secret Service, she is not fucking special and has a previous history of doing this same shit.

P.S. "A man should know not to make contact with a woman" your bigotry is shining through.

[elcidcannon]

Don't really care if Ted slept with them. I am voting for him because of his Constitutional convictions which Trump seemingly lacks. As som talk show host said, Trump is a passive-aggressive narcissistic and a wimp, and people want him to lead the free world?

Then you're placing a lot of faith that his constitutional convictions are stronger than his marital convictions.

[Warriorbird]

Sorry, I simply don't agree. Mostly considering the Secret Service was telling her to back off and she was not listening. She should have been tackled to the ground by the Secret Service, she is not fucking special and has a previous history of doing this same shit.

P.S. "A man should know not to make contact with a woman" your bigotry is shining through.

Not "bigotry." Simple legal reality. I'm not saying it SHOULD be this way. It just IS that way. People get convicted/sued for shit like that every day. You have to protect yourself. If I grabbed festival customers or parents at parent teacher conferences I would get sued at the very least. I'd be more likely to be convicted/lose if it was a woman instead of a man.

If the Secret Service was going to do that he should have left it to them. Given his position he needs to not draw liability.

[Gelston]

Yeah, people need to keep their hands to themselves. It isn't his job to keep Trump safe. If the Secret Service didn't see a threat, he needs to leave her alone. He was doing that because she was press. Now, do I think it is TRUMPED up charges? Yes. They'll probably be dropped. I imagine he'll be more careful in the future.

[GS4Pirate]

Actually you are being a bigot. You imply it's Ok for a woman to "batter" a man (funny when you read the definition of batter, just highlights how ludicrous these charges are). What's going to be WB, are we equals or not, the double standard is pissing a lot of people off.

[Warriorbird]

Actually you are being a bigot. You imply it's Ok for a woman to "batter" a man (funny when you read the definition of batter, just highlights how ludicrous these charges are). What's going to be WB, are we equals or not, the double standard is pissing a lot of people off.

I'm not saying IT'S OKAY. I'm saying it's the court system. You know you're more likely to get in trouble for grabbing a woman than a man. If you're a campaign manager for a major candidate you have to know it even more.

Apart from that, though, men enjoy a lot of advantages in America. I don't think it's worth whining about inequality when we're pretty much on top. It makes you look weak.

As a general note:


Simple battery is a basic form of battery that results in criminal charges against the defendant. When the courts use the word “battery”, they are usually referring to simple battery. It is generally defined as: The unauthorized or unlawful use of force. To the body of another person.

All that's needed is unauthorized force. A good reminder to keep your hands to yourself.

[Gelston]

http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SNL-Trump-racists-video.jpg

[GS4Pirate]

I'm not saying IT'S OKAY. I'm saying it's the court system. You know you're more likely to get in trouble for grabbing a woman than a man. If you're a campaign manager for a major candidate you have to know it even more.

Apart from that, though, men enjoy a lot of advantages in America. I don't think it's worth whining about inequality. It makes you look weak.

"men enjoy a lot of advantages in America" That is a complete fucking lie. I can bury you in mounds of evidence that prove you completely wrong. Any man that has been ran through the divorce gambit knows just how fucked men are. You don't want to take up this argument:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ9UEr87DWo

" It makes you look weak" Public shaming, a feminist tactic used when no logical argument can be made.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, people need to keep their hands to themselves. It isn't his job to keep Trump safe. If the Secret Service didn't see a threat, he needs to leave her alone. He was doing that because she was press. Now, do I think it is TRUMPED up charges? Yes. They'll probably be dropped. I imagine he'll be more careful in the future.

/agree

It's clearly blown way out of proportion to what she claimed, but he should know better. I don't blame Trump for standing up for him though.

[Warriorbird]

"men enjoy a lot of advantages in America" That is a complete fucking lie. I can bury you in mounds of evidence that prove you completely wrong. Any man that has been ran through the divorce gambit knows just how fucked men are. You don't want to take up this argument:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ9UEr87DWo

" It makes you look weak" Public shaming, a feminist tactic used when no logical argument can be made.

I'm sorry that you've had such a struggle in your life. Of course there's areas where where there's inequality. That doesn't mean that those areas exceed the opposite... or that you can ignore the reality of the American legal system. You're obviously pissed off about it. Vote with your feelings if that makes you feel better.

[Atlanteax]

Presumably Trump is successful in filing battery charges against Fields, considering her success against Lewandowski.

In the meantime, it is an utter joke how 'the establishment' and the news organization that owns Breibart, is 'squashing' the story of Cruz's multiple mistresses.

Why not use it as motivation to rally the GoP behind Kaisch?!? If by some miracle, Cruz gets the nomination, it would absolutely sink him against Sanders/Clinton, when it comes out then (cannot be 'squashed' forever).

It is ironic that the GoP is paranoid of a Trump nomination costing the GoP the Presidency, they are overlooking how Cruz's sex scandal would severely impair his standing among Evangelists and subsequently the general election.

[GS4Pirate]

I took a moment to extract the meaningless bullshit from your reply and this is what we end up with:


Of course there's areas where where there's inequality. That doesn't mean that those areas exceed the opposite... or that you can ignore the reality of the American legal system.

And by your own admittance:


I'm saying it's the court system. You know you're more likely to get in trouble for grabbing a woman than a man.

So you admit that our legal system is biased in favor of women and had the rolls been reversed, there would have been no charges of battery. Thank you Feminism for reminding us that bigotry is your goal.

[Warriorbird]

I took a moment to extract the meaningless bullshit from your reply and this is what we end up with:



And by your own admittance:



So you admit that our legal system is biased in favor of women and had the rolls been reversed, there would have been no charges of battery. Thank you Feminism for reminding us that bigotry is your goal.

I've never claimed to be a feminist. Heck, I've been directly protested by feminist groups twice. You, in turn, are heavy on the SJW for MEN! front.

[GS4Pirate]

Presumably Trump is successful in filing battery charges against Fields, considering her success against Lewandowski.

In the meantime, it is an utter joke how 'the establishment' and the news organization that owns Breibart, is 'squashing' the story of Cruz's multiple mistresses.

Why not use it as motivation to rally the GoP behind Kaisch?!? If by some miracle, Cruz gets the nomination, it would absolutely sink him against Sanders/Clinton, when it comes out then (cannot be 'squashed' forever).

It is ironic that the GoP is paranoid of a Trump nomination costing the GoP the Presidency, they are overlooking how Cruz's sex scandal would severely impair his standing among Evangelists and subsequently the general election.

An odd day indeed, not often I agree with Atlanteax.

That's the scariest part about all of this, the obvious open air conspiracy being played out right in front of our eyes.

[GS4Pirate]

are heavy on the SJW for MEN

Damn right I am. I personally believe Feminism over the past 40 years has been the root cause of the shitnado we are experiencing now.

[GS4Pirate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R8At-Qno_o

[Warriorbird]

Damn right I am. I personally believe Feminism over the past 40 years has been the root cause of the shitnado we are experiencing now.

Yeah, I get that it's personal to you. I just don't see women's issues as that significant of a detriment to men.

I got protested in college because I revealed that the Womyn's Center chalked fake rape stories before alumni weekend.

I got protested by the Women's Club at my current teaching job because I took an all male team to Model UN and they won.

Both mainly amused me.

[Gelston]

Yeah, I get that it's personal to you. I just don't see women's issues as that significant of a detriment to men.

I got protested in college because I revealed that the Womyn's Center chalked fake rape stories before alumni weekend.

I got protested by the Women's Club at my current teaching job because I took an all male team to Model UN and they won.

Both mainly amused me.

He obviously lost his job to some chick.

[Silvean]

Universal Theory of the PC. You have a handful of guys connected to an old text-based online rpg who like stir political controversies on its unofficial message board. These guys mix social awkwardness with an inflated sense of their intelligence and self worth. They've probably been spurned by lots of women because they're socially awkward with an inflated sense of self worth.

Now, a group of guys like that might just be primed for misogyny. Or, at the least, it motivates them to spend time bitching about "feminism" and the mysterious negative impact it is having on their lives.

[Gelston]

Universal Theory of the PC. You have a handful of guys connected to an old text-based online rpg who like stir political controversies on its unofficial message board. These guys mix social awkwardness with an inflated sense of their intelligence and self worth. They've probably been spurned by lots of women because they're socially awkward with an inflated sense of self worth.

Now, a group of guys like that might just be primed for misogyny. Or, at the least, it motivates them to spend time bitching about "feminism" and the mysterious negative impact it is having on their lives.

And then this guy comes in and posts self-righteousness.

[Tgo01]

Universal Theory of the PC. You have a handful of guys connected to an old text-based online rpg who like stir political controversies on its unofficial message board. These guys mix social awkwardness with an inflated sense of their intelligence and self worth. They've probably been spurned by lots of women because they're socially awkward with an inflated sense of self worth.

Now, a group of guys like that might just be primed for misogyny. Or, at the least, it motivates them to spend time bitching about "feminism" and the mysterious negative impact it is having on their lives.


All of this means that I know very little about the history and inner workings of a complex institution and wouldn't presume to make sweeping generalizations.

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[Archigeek]

Wait, the PC is a complex institution? OMG.

[Gelston]

Wait, the PC is a complex institution? OMG.

And you are hereby institutionalized.

[Gelston]

Also, I just trolled the fuck out of Bernie Sanders supporters on Twitter. It was like they had never seen the internet before.

[Jarvan]

/agree

It's clearly blown way out of proportion to what she claimed, but he should know better. I don't blame Trump for standing up for him though.

I forget what news reporter said it, but one said something along the lines of : If you are a reporter, and you don't walk away from one of these things bruised physically or emotionally, you are not doing your job. As a reporter, I get bruised trying to get a story all the time, security is always pushing me out of the way or "controlling" me.

I think this is stupid, plain and simple. I mean hell... I could press charges against hundreds of people a year using this definition of battery.

[GS4Pirate]

Universal Theory of the PC. You have a handful of guys connected to an old text-based online rpg who like stir political controversies on its unofficial message board. These guys mix social awkwardness with an inflated sense of their intelligence and self worth. They've probably been spurned by lots of women because they're socially awkward with an inflated sense of self worth.

Now, a group of guys like that might just be primed for misogyny. Or, at the least, it motivates them to spend time bitching about "feminism" and the mysterious negative impact it is having on their lives.

Holy shit, that's one long string of drivel void of any logic based argument. I'll mark this up as further evidence of the decay caused by feminism.

My case is not that of awkwardness, but rather the self-entitlement the courts have given women. If one were to look at my criminal record they would find a long list of arrests for domestic abuse, I would be instantly labeled as a wife beater without any further investigation. If the time was given to look deeper into my record they would find that the state dropped the charges in every fucking case. See the laws are so tilted, that a women only need to call the police and the man is going to jail without zero evidence to back up the charges. The guy goes to court (they get their cut), then the state sees "yup another false charge", drops the charges and the guy goes about his way with yet another blemish on their record. I put up with this shit for 16 years because as a man I found it my duty to be there for my children. It's a giant joke and a lot of guys are having their lives destroyed because of these cunts like Fields. It's got to stop.

You have our public school systems that have become so feminine that we have an entire generation of retards where feelings come before any sort of critical thinking.

Perhaps we should start with what your personal definition of misogyny is?

[Gelston]

Holy shit, that's one long string of drivel void of any logic based argument. I'll mark this up as further evidence of the decay caused by feminism.

My case is not that of awkwardness, but rather the self-entitlement the courts have given women. If one were to look at my criminal record they would find a long list of arrests for domestic abuse, I would be instantly labeled as a wife beater without any further investigation. If the time was given to look deeper into my record they would find that the state dropped the charges in every fucking case. See the laws are so tilted, that a women only need to call the police and the man is going to jail without zero evidence to back up the charges. The guy goes to court (they get their cut), then the state sees "yup another false charge", drops the charges and the guy goes about his way with yet another blemish on their record. I put up with this shit for 16 years because as a man I found it my duty to be there for my children. It's a giant joke and a lot of guys are having their lives destroyed because of these cunts like Fields. It's got to stop.

You have our public school systems that have become so feminine that we have an entire generation of retards where feelings come before any sort of critical thinking.

Perhaps we should start with what your personal definition of misogyny is?

Maybe stop living with women that call that cops on you for domestic abuse so often.

[Jarvan]

Also, I just trolled the fuck out of Bernie Sanders supporters on Twitter. It was like they had never seen the internet before.

On a side note... my sister showed me a pic someone had on their facebook.. wish I could find it again.

It had Sanders on the left and clinton on the right and they both said they are not the establishment.

Then under Sanders it said... Spent 35 years in politics at multiple levels. No listing for any "real" job. The young people support him. Getting most of the under 24 vote.

Under Clinton is said... In politics for 37+ years. Maybe practiced law for 2-3 years. The old and establishment support him. Getting all of the over 120 vote.

[Jarvan]

Holy shit, that's one long string of drivel void of any logic based argument. I'll mark this up as further evidence of the decay caused by feminism.

My case is not that of awkwardness, but rather the self-entitlement the courts have given women. If one were to look at my criminal record they would find a long list of arrests for domestic abuse, I would be instantly labeled as a wife beater without any further investigation. If the time was given to look deeper into my record they would find that the state dropped the charges in every fucking case. See the laws are so tilted, that a women only need to call the police and the man is going to jail without zero evidence to back up the charges. The guy goes to court (they get their cut), then the state sees "yup another false charge", drops the charges and the guy goes about his way with yet another blemish on their record. I put up with this shit for 16 years because as a man I found it my duty to be there for my children. It's a giant joke and a lot of guys are having their lives destroyed because of these cunts like Fields. It's got to stop.

You have our public school systems that have become so feminine that we have an entire generation of retards where feelings come before any sort of critical thinking.

Perhaps we should start with what your personal definition of misogyny is?

Feminism summed up in the 2000's.

Hold a door open for a woman, you are a chauvinist pig.

Don't hold the door open, and you are a fucking asshole.

[GS4Pirate]

Maybe stop living with women that call that cops on you for domestic abuse so often.

I have one upped that. I have come to the conclusion it's not worth the risk and have zero interest in any form of relationship. Hell I wouldn't even piss in a woman's mouth if her teeth were on fire. It's worked out well, I get to do whatever the fuck I want without having to ask for my balls back for the evening. It's just been straight up awesome man, you guys get to support the stupid cunt because she won't hold a job and I get to point and laugh while I make my next plans to go do shit men do. Moving out to Montana in two weeks, it's going to be fucking sweet.

[GS4Pirate]

Feminism summed up in the 2000's.

Hold a door open for a woman, you are a chauvinist pig.

Don't hold the door open, and you are a fucking asshole.

LOL, that's funny. I UBER sometimes for fun money and picked up this young couple a few weeks ago. This guy went to open the door for her and she flipped the fuck out, buuuuut she had no problem with him paying the tab. I wanted to slap the dude upside the head.

[Taernath]

LOL, that's funny. I UBER sometimes for fun money and picked up this young couple a few weeks ago. This guy went to open the door for her and she flipped the fuck out, buuuuut she had no problem with him paying the tab. I wanted to slap the dude upside the head.

That's crazy. I do lyft on the side, and this one time a woman pulled out a switchblade on her date and castrated him in the back seat. She said if I said anything to the police I would be next.

[Gelston]

That's crazy. I do lyft on the side, and this one time a woman pulled out a switchblade on her date and castrated him in the back seat. She said if I said anything to the police I would be next.

I'd tell her she brought a knife to a gunfight.

[Taernath]

I'd tell her she brought a knife to a gunfight.

I didn't have a gun because she was a liberal and took it away.

[Gelston]

I didn't have a gun because she was a liberal and took it away.

Was she hot though?

[GS4Pirate]

That's crazy. I do lyft on the side, and this one time a woman pulled out a switchblade on her date and castrated him in the back seat. She said if I said anything to the police I would be next.

Did he pay the tab?

[Taernath]

Did he pay the tab?

No, the woman wouldn't let him. She said everything should be free in the upcoming Femmunist dictatorship and asked if I could #FeelTheBern as she extinguished her cigarette on my forehead (she made it clear she's voting for Hillary though).

[Gelston]

No, the woman wouldn't let him. She said everything should be free in the upcoming Femmunist dictatorship and asked if I could #FeelTheBern as she extinguished her cigarette on my forehead.

You still haven't told me if she was hot or not.

[Taernath]

You still haven't told me if she was hot or not.

If I answered that, I would be arrested for objectifying a woman and executed by SJW commandos.

[Silvean]

PC isn't a complex institution. It's mostly 5 douchebags who either hate each other or pretend to hate each other voicing fringe opinions on shit.

[Tgo01]

PC isn't a complex institution. It's mostly 5 douchebags who either hate each other or pretend to hate each other voicing fringe opinions on shit.

PC has been a community for over 13 years and has had thousands of members with completely vast and different backgrounds.

But hey, you've been sharing your "holier than thou" attitude here for a couple of years now so of course you feel comfortable labeling everyone here "douchebags", "social awkwards", "inflated sense of self worth", and of course "misogynists."

[Gelston]

Oh, is Silvean turning into one of those types now that acts better than everyone on the PC yet continues to want to post on the PC?

[Silvean]

You got me. I'm just in a bad mood and shouldn't take it out on you people. Think I'll give up the PC though. That would be consistent with my low opinion of unmoderated anonymous Internet commenting spaces in general.

[Gelston]

You got me. I'm just in a bad mood and shouldn't take it out on you people. Think I'll give up the PC though. That would be consistent with my low opinion of unmoderated anonymous Internet commenting spaces in general.

Okay bye

[Tgo01]

Think I'll give up the PC though. That would be consistent with my low opinion of unmoderated anonymous Internet commenting spaces in general.

Sounds like someone needs a safe space.

So you're comfortable labeling everyone here "misogynists" knowing full well this is an "unmoderated anonymous Internet commenting space" but you're going to stop posting here because you dislike "unmoderated anonymous Internet commenting spaces."

I can't even make this shit up.

[GS4Pirate]

5 douchebags who either hate each other

This is what I hate. People that are unable to have an exchange of ideas without hating each other.

I would have no problem sitting down and having a beer with anyone of these people, this includes any race, religion, sexual preference....etc...though I would be a little concerned with Latrin.

[Wrathbringer]

PC isn't a complex institution. It's mostly 5 douchebags who either hate each other or pretend to hate each other voicing fringe opinions on shit.

You couldn't be more wrong. There are at least ten douchebags.

[Gelston]

You couldn't be more wrong. There are at least ten douchebags.

You have 10 different personalities now?

[Latrinsorm]

"men enjoy a lot of advantages in America" That is a complete fucking lie. I can bury you in mounds of evidence that prove you completely wrong.According to the video's source material (http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/08/5-legal-rights-women-have-that-men-dont/), the rights you have so far cited are:

1. Freedom from circumcision.
2. Women don't have to register for Selective Service.
3. Women can have abortions. (There are other claims made in point #3 that are factually incorrect.)
4. Null. (A de facto right is by definition not a legal right, that's the point of the term de facto.)
5. The FBI uses different terminology to describe certain types of rape.

I propose the following solution: any man can agree to a 20% pay cut in perpetuity and receive all of those legal rights. Sound fair?
I would have no problem sitting down and having a beer with anyone of these people, this includes any race, religion, sexual preference....etc...though I would be a little concerned with Latrin.;)
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You got me. I'm just in a bad mood and shouldn't take it out on you people. Think I'll give up the PC though. That would be consistent with my low opinion of unmoderated anonymous Internet commenting spaces in general.I hope you change your mind! :)

[Tgo01]

I propose the following solution: any man can agree to a 20% pay cut in perpetuity and receive all of those legal rights. Sound fair?

The wage gap doesn't exist. Shut up.

Before you get your panties in a bunch; IF there is a wage gap it isn't 20%.

So again, shut up.

[Latrinsorm]

The wage gap doesn't exist.In fact it does and I have an extremely long winded explanation for...
Shut up....drat! You win this round, Terrence.

[Warriorbird]

The wage gap doesn't exist. Shut up.

Before you get your panties in a bunch; IF there is a wage gap it isn't 20%.

So again, shut up.

There is a wage gap. 23% = a distortion. You're both wrong.

[Gelston]

Definitely a wage gap in public sector jobs.

[GS4Pirate]

According to the video's source material (http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/08/5-legal-rights-women-have-that-men-dont/), the rights you have so far cited are:

1. Freedom from circumcision.
2. Women don't have to register for Selective Service.
3. Women can have abortions. (There are other claims made in point #3 that are factually incorrect.)
4. Null. (A de facto right is by definition not a legal right, that's the point of the term de facto.)
5. The FBI uses different terminology to describe certain types of rape.

I propose the following solution: any man can agree to a 20% pay cut in perpetuity and receive all of those legal rights. Sound fair?;)I hope you change your mind! :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwogDPh-Sow

[GS4Pirate]

He obviously lost his job to some chick.

Nah, lost it to technology. Third generation printing press operator, the internet has really taken over the medium. Knew it was coming, was just hoping to get another 5 years. Never seen a female press operator in my life though, not a job most women would want.....or anyone for that matter. I have been trying to get out of the business for a few years now, my back can't take it anymore. Next few months will no doubt be an adventure, not sure I'll be trying to do the printing thing once I get relocated or finish getting my degree. Would only take two or three semesters to get a teaching degree.

[Warriorbird]

Nah, lost it to technology. Third generation printing press operator, the internet has really taken over the medium. Knew it was coming, was just hoping to get another 5 years. Never seen a female press operator in my life though, not a job most women would want.....or anyone for that matter. I have been trying to get out of the business for a few years now, my back can't take it anymore. Next few months will no doubt be an adventure, not sure I'll be trying to do the printing thing once I get relocated or finish getting my degree. Would only take two or three semesters to get a teaching degree.

Teaching might not be the field for you if you're trying to avoid women.

You can pretty much get insta hired with special ed or elementary certification though.

[drauz]

If I answered that, I would be arrested for objectifying a woman and executed by SJW commandos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TGE4squIhA

[drauz]

In fact it does and I have an extremely long winded explanation for......drat! You win this round, Terrence.

There isn't a wage gap from all the research I've done into it. 3rd wave feminists seems to want equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity.

[Warriorbird]

There isn't a wage gap from all the research I've done into it. 3rd wave feminists seems to want equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity.

2.7% general to 4.5% in some specific jobs after choices/negotiation are controlled for. Women's actions matter far more than discrimination.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/11/women-workplace

[GS4Pirate]

Teaching might not be the field for you if you're trying to avoid women.

You can pretty much get insta hired with special ed or elementary certification though.

Don't confuse my not wanting anything to do with a relationship with wanting to avoid women. Doesn't bother me one bit to have female co-workers as long as they don't throw the bullshit in your face. That's the whole annoying part, I could give two fucks if a woman makes equal pay as long as they do equal work, just don't pull the whole "I'm a helpless woman" act when you don't want to do the shitty part of the job.

[drauz]

2.7% general to 4.5% in some specific jobs after choices/negotiation are controlled for. Women's actions matter far more than discrimination.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/11/women-workplace

Exactly.

[Latrinsorm]

Exactly.The article you agree with says that there is an inarguable disparity in pay, an objective, numerical measurement.
The article you agree with further says that women and men do not have evenly distributed job titles and employers.

Given point one, why shouldn't we assume that the two phenomena in point two share the same cause as point one? That if we are trying to measure bias in compensation, we should include job title etc. rather than control for them because they skewed in precisely the same way as dollars? Note that this concern is obliquely referred to in the article you agree with and stated outright in GS4Pirate's YouTube video's description.

[Tgo01]

That if we are trying to measure bias in compensation, we should include job title etc. rather than control for them

Are you high?

It's one thing to say maybe we should include people who get promoted to a management position because maybe men receive those promotions more often than women because of sexism (but that sounds like another study altogether) but you're seriously suggesting we should compare a cashier at Walmart to an engineer who designs and builds planes and space crafts?

[Latrinsorm]

Are you high? It's one thing to say maybe we should include people who get promoted to a management position because maybe men receive those promotions more often than women because of sexism (but that sounds like another study altogether) but you're seriously suggesting we should compare a cashier at Walmart to an engineer who designs and builds planes and space crafts?We have established that employers are biased against women when it comes to money, I think it's reasonable to assume that employers are also biased against women when it comes to related areas such as job title.

Suppose someone sells you a computer and claims certain specifications (RAM, memory, operating system, etc.) and you find that they were incorrect about the operating system. Don't you then become suspicious of everything else that person told you about the computer?

To your specific question, I had a degree in physics and worked as an entry level tech support person, I would not be at all surprised to find that there are Walmart cashiers with aeronautical engineering qualifications.

[Warriorbird]

We have established that employers are biased against women when it comes to money, I think it's reasonable to assume that employers are also biased against women when it comes to related areas such as job title.

Suppose someone sells you a computer and claims certain specifications (RAM, memory, operating system, etc.) and you find that they were incorrect about the operating system. Don't you then become suspicious of everything else that person told you about the computer?

To your specific question, I had a degree in physics and worked as an entry level tech support person, I would not be at all surprised to find that there are Walmart cashiers with aeronautical engineering qualifications.

You don't have a degree in economics, do you?

[Jarvan]

You don't have a degree in economics, do you?

Unless Toilet is a Bob alt, I doubt it.

Even then.. I would still doubt it.

[Tgo01]

I would not be at all surprised to find that there are Walmart cashiers with aeronautical engineering qualifications.

I'm desperately trying to see your point but failing :(

Unless you're suggesting men can find jobs easier that pay more/use their college degree compared to women and this is due to sexism. Because, like, that would be a great point but it would still be a totally different issue because it still wouldn't prove that women make less for doing the same job, it would show women aren't getting the same opportunities though due to their gender.

[Jarvan]

This whole wage gap thing must apply to not just professional level jobs.. but higher end ones. Because I have never seen a wage gap.

I also can't imagine a place like say... Burger King going... oh, your a woman? Sorry.. you get 7.75 not 8.00.

I also don't federal employees have pay grades? I can't see how a say.. grade 5 federal male employee can make 20% more then a grade 5 female employee with same years at the job same reviews, etc etc.

I think this whole issue is people trying to compare peanuts to coconuts. Neither even being a nut.

[Methais]

We have established that employers are biased against women when it comes to money, I think it's reasonable to assume that employers are also biased against women when it comes to related areas such as job title.

Suppose someone sells you a computer and claims certain specifications (RAM, memory, operating system, etc.) and you find that they were incorrect about the operating system. Don't you then become suspicious of everything else that person told you about the computer?

To your specific question, I had a degree in physics and worked as an entry level tech support person, I would not be at all surprised to find that there are Walmart cashiers with aeronautical engineering qualifications.

Stop trying to Latrin up this thread with your Latrin bullshit.

[Gelston]

This whole wage gap thing must apply to not just professional level jobs.. but higher end ones. Because I have never seen a wage gap.

I also can't imagine a place like say... Burger King going... oh, your a woman? Sorry.. you get 7.75 not 8.00.

I also don't federal employees have pay grades? I can't see how a say.. grade 5 federal male employee can make 20% more then a grade 5 female employee with same years at the job same reviews, etc etc.

I think this whole issue is people trying to compare peanuts to coconuts. Neither even being a nut.

Federal jobs don't have a wage gap, no. I GS-7 makes the same as a GS-7 regardless of age, sex, gender, etc. People could have made the argument that men are selected over women for promotion, but I just don't really see that as the case anymore.

[GS4Pirate]

We have established that employers are biased against women when it comes to money, I think it's reasonable to assume that employers are also biased against women when it comes to related areas such as job title.

Suppose someone sells you a computer and claims certain specifications (RAM, memory, operating system, etc.) and you find that they were incorrect about the operating system. Don't you then become suspicious of everything else that person told you about the computer?

To your specific question, I had a degree in physics and worked as an entry level tech support person, I would not be at all surprised to find that there are Walmart cashiers with aeronautical engineering qualifications.

I think we have found the confusion. You seem to have a case of self-entitlement (like so many others), you know the one "I got a degree, I deserve a job making 6 figures because that's what my high school counselor said"

Are you arguing over the 2% now, which is basically a statistical margin of error? or is it that you won't be happy until the scale tips in favor of women? I think we all know the answer to that.

[GS4Pirate]

If we really want to talk about equal pay, let's talk about the vast difference in pay between regions of the US. Why should I get paid a much lower wage for the exact same job as the asshole living on the east coast? Why Latrin, why? It's not fucking fair Latrin!

[Warriorbird]

I think we have found the confusion. You seem to have a case of self-entitlement (like so many others), you know the one "I got a degree, I deserve a job making 6 figures because that's what my high school counselor said"

Are you arguing over the 2% now, which is basically a statistical margin of error? or is it that you won't be happy until the scale tips in favor of women? I think we all know the answer to that.

The margin of error on that 2.7% was actually quite low given the 1.4 million people involved in the research. It's also with a huge number of controls applied. This is only 11.7% of the uncontrolled number, which is 23% though, which usually gets crowed about.

[Gelston]

How did a Ted Cruz Sex Scandal turn into a wage gap discussion?

[Latrinsorm]

Unless you're suggesting men can find jobs easier that pay more/use their college degree compared to women and this is due to sexism. Because, like, that would be a great point but it would still be a totally different issue because it still wouldn't prove that women make less for doing the same job, it would show women aren't getting the same opportunities though due to their gender.I do not consider it a totally different issue, because they have the same cause and the same result: women getting less pay on the basis of being women. As such, it is not an additional variable that should be controlled for, but the same variable.

Suppose I sabotage your brakes and hire Home Depot to put an ice patch on your street. Each factor will make it harder for you to stop your car, yes? Each act was taken at my behest, yes? If we were trying to measure by what % your car's stopping power decreased due to me, it would make no sense to control for the surface of the road. In the same way, if we are trying to measure by what % women's compensations are decreased due to sexism, it makes no sense to control for the job titles they have if those job titles are given by the same employers that we know give unequal pay to equal job titles.
You don't have a degree in economics, do you?I do not. This is why I used the claims of the economists you and GS4Pirate cited, in the (vain) hope that you would not immediately disagree with yourselves. These things happen.
I think we have found the confusion. You seem to have a case of self-entitlement (like so many others), you know the one "I got a degree, I deserve a job making 6 figures because that's what my high school counselor said" I had no problem with the job I had then or the job I have now, my high school counselor did not make any claims on the compensation I could expect, and it wouldn't have mattered if he had because I didn't choose my degree until halfway through my freshman year of college. Your emotional sensitivity to this issue is apparently clouding your perception.
Are you arguing over the 2% now, which is basically a statistical margin of error? or is it that you won't be happy until the scale tips in favor of women? I think we all know the answer to that.I am merely pointing out that your interpretation of your sources is manifestly incorrect. My happiness is not a function of this issue, I will or won't be happy regardless.
If we really want to talk about equal pay, let's talk about the vast difference in pay between regions of the US. Why should I get paid a much lower wage for the exact same job as the asshole living on the east coast? Why Latrin, why? It's not fucking fair Latrin!Geographical location is not comparable to sex for various reasons. Most important for our purposes is that sex is a protected class under federal law, and I would add that the pay gap has closed dramatically since the introduction of that law. Another win for statism! :)

[Tgo01]

I do not consider it a totally different issue, because they have the same cause and the same result: women getting less pay on the basis of being women. As such, it is not an additional variable that should be controlled for, but the same variable.

Hey I said it would be a great point if that were happening. But here's the problem, Latrin. I need proof.

Or are you someone who evidently believes without evidence?

[GS4Pirate]

I had no problem with the job I had then or the job I have now, my high school counselor did not make any claims on the compensation I could expect, and it wouldn't have mattered if he had because I didn't choose my degree until halfway through my freshman year of college. Your emotional sensitivity to this issue is apparently clouding your perception.

eerrrm...I was being sarcastic


I am merely pointing out that your interpretation of your sources is manifestly incorrect. My happiness is not a function of this issue, I will or won't be happy regardless.

I will stick with the guy in the video who is like an economist and stuff.


Geographical location is not comparable to sex for various reasons. Most important for our purposes is that sex is a protected class under federal law, and I would add that the pay gap has closed dramatically since the introduction of that law. Another win for statism!

Thanks for reminding me how feminist statism (this is a made up name, kind of like democratic socialism) has caused this shiticain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tprfpvmcv2w

I'm not sure why I posted that video, but it makes for some good pondering.

[Parkbandit]

I think we have found the confusion. You seem to have a case of self-entitlement (like so many others), you know the one "I got a degree, I deserve a job making 6 figures because that's what my high school counselor said"

Are you arguing over the 2% now, which is basically a statistical margin of error? or is it that you won't be happy until the scale tips in favor of women? I think we all know the answer to that.

A degree in anything doesn't make you a good employee.

If you are socially inept, purposely irritate people, constantly play devil's advocate JUST to be that "guy", etc.. you aren't worth shit to an employer. Stick to your entry level job and be thankful someone puts up with your nonsense.

[Latrinsorm]

Hey I said it would be a great point if that were happening. But here's the problem, Latrin. I need proof.Like I said, we have a source we all agreed on that demonstrates a pay gap exists; that is to say, the source we all agreed on demonstrates that employers are biased against women. I think it's reasonable to assume from that that employers are biased against women in other related ways until evidence has been provided either way. If your computer is sliding on an ice patch and the monkey in the tree lets go, you must acquit or you'll punish the typist. Basic stuff, Terry.
eerrrm...I was being sarcasticOkay.
I will stick with the guy in the video who is like an economist and stuff.I can't speak to what Dr. Horwitz says in the video, but right below the video he claims "women make certain choices, such as career selection and raising children, which tend to result in lower wages than men. These choices could be the result of personal preferences or sexist cultural expectations for women's work." This is precisely the point I am making, so you cannot stick with him without also sticking with me.

[ClydeR]

I've forgotten what this thread is about. Is it about the gag order on the D.C. Madam call logs?


The colorful litigator who represented the late “D.C. madam” Deborah Palfrey and threatened this week to release call logs of his former client that he says are “very relevant” to the 2016 presidential election tells U.S. News those records already are digitized and posted online.

Montgomery Blair Sibley says the records will become public if he fails to reset a 72-hour countdown clock, which could cut short his soft two-week ultimatum for federal courts to consider lifting a 2007 gag order that covers the records, lest he deem that order void.

The countdown clock is a safeguard, Sibley says, that ensures that if he disappears the records will be published. Inevitable release, he says, may also disincentivize violent acts against him to prevent their disclosure.

More... (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-31/dc-madams-attorney-says-election-bombshell-already-online)

[Tgo01]

Like I said, we have a source we all agreed on that demonstrates a pay gap exists; that is to say, the source we all agreed on demonstrates that employers are biased against women. I think it's reasonable to assume from that that employers are biased against women in other related ways until evidence has been provided either way. If your computer is sliding on an ice patch and the monkey in the tree lets go, you must acquit or you'll punish the typist. Basic stuff, Terry.


Or are you someone who evidently believes without evidence?

Well I guess you answered that question.

[Warriorbird]

I do not. This is why I used the claims of the economists you and GS4Pirate cited, in the (vain) hope that you would not immediately disagree with yourselves. These things happen.

I cited entirely different economists than he did. Then you went heavy with the humanism which is probably explained by your second degree. I even cited a longitudinal study with well over a million people involved just for you to do some hoping based speculation. Pretty standard.

[Gelston]

I'll just stick this here... http://espn.go.com/espnw/sports/article/15102506/women-national-team-files-wage-discrimination-action-vs-us-soccer-federation

Hell, that isn't even equal work, they are bringing in MORE money than the men and still getting 75% less.

[GS4Pirate]

I can't speak to what Dr. Horwitz says in the video, but right below the video he claims "women make certain choices, such as career selection and raising children, which tend to result in lower wages than men. These choices could be the result of personal preferences or sexist cultural expectations for women's work." This is precisely the point I am making, so you cannot stick with him without also sticking with me.

But I can, it's easy for me to look through history and find that it's not "sexist cultural expectations" but rather inherent norms for the species. If it will make you feel better, I'm sorry when women rolled the dice of life they came up x,y. Not going to lose sleep over it, but sorry. If woman were this dominant force that could perform nearly as well as men, would we not see somewhere, I mean at least one major culture where the female members of the species built the entire society? What is wrong with the fact that women are for making babies, that's their primary function?


Hell, that isn't even equal work, they are bringing in MORE money than the men and still getting 75% less.

A. It's soccer, who the fuck cares.

B. They get paid nearly 100k a year to kick a fucking ball around, cry me a fucking river.

C. If not for mens soccer, where people actually give two fucks about soccer, these special snowflakes would be on their third bastard child and living it up in the trailer park.

[Gelston]

A. It's soccer, who the fuck cares.

B. They get paid nearly 100k a year to kick a fucking ball around, cry me a fucking river.

C. If not for mens soccer, where people actually give two fucks about soccer, these special snowflakes would be on their third bastard child and living it up in the trailer park.

A. The majority of the world.

B. Equal pay is equal pay, no matter the cost. 100k a year isn't really shit in places like LA or New York.

C. I'd argue that Women's Soccer is more popular, as you know, bringing in more money than Men's, so that doesn't quite work out.

This is complete, 100% verifiable wage gap, and you are refusing to acknowledge it's existence. There is no point in further trying to show you examples, because you'll just ignore them or make up other BS excuses.

[GS4Pirate]

But to be serious for a moment. Is there a wage gap? yes, perhaps a slight one, but as the nerd in the video suggests, I think we have been over that hump for a good few decades now and as you suggest Latrin it has gotten much much better. We can't expect to see changes happen over night, not 35 years ago it was uncommon for women to even be in the workforce. Are we better off for the cultural change is the bigger question.

[GS4Pirate]

A. The majority of the world.

B. Equal pay is equal pay, no matter the cost. 100k a year isn't really shit in places like LA or New York.

C. I'd argue that Women's Soccer is more popular, as you know, bringing in more money than Men's, so that doesn't quite work out.

This is complete, 100% verifiable wage gap, and you are refusing to acknowledge it's existence. There is no point in further trying to show you examples, because you'll just ignore them or make up other BS excuses.

Dude, just being a smart ass.

[gs4-PauperSid]

I prefer my women with two X chromosomes.


[QUOTE=GS4Pirate;1844848]But I can, it's easy for me to look through history and find that it's not "sexist cultural expectations" but rather inherent norms for the species. If it will make you feel better, I'm sorry when women rolled the dice of life they came up x,y.

[Jarvan]

Since this thread became just about anything...

I think Trump's response to the abortion question by the hack Mathews was bad. He should have turned it around on him.

"So what you are asking me is if something is illegal, and if then someone who commits the illegal act, if they should get punished for it?"

"No of course not Chris.. why would we ever punish anyone for participating in an illegal act? What are you stupid?"

Now Abortion isn't illegal. Abortion will never be illegal again in the US. But if something ~IS~ Illegal.. then yes, someone should be punished for doing it. (Hey there pot smokers)

[Gelston]

Since this thread became just about anything...

I think Trump's response to the abortion question by the hack Mathews was bad. He should have turned it around on him.

"So what you are asking me is if something is illegal, and if then someone who commits the illegal act, if they should get punished for it?"

"No of course not Chris.. why would we ever punish anyone for participating in an illegal act? What are you stupid?"

Now Abortion isn't illegal. Abortion will never be illegal again in the US. But if something ~IS~ Illegal.. then yes, someone should be punished for doing it. (Hey there pot smokers)

I'd say if it was illegal, stripping the doctors, and any nurses involved, guilty of performing it of their licenses along with a substantial fine... With jail time for follow on offenses that would be the same as practicing medicine without a license.

[elcidcannon]

The wage gap in sports shouldn't really count as a "wage gap."

It's like arguing that professional curlers should paid get as much as NFL players. Just doesn't makes sense when you compare revenue et al.

[Gelston]

The wage gap in sports shouldn't really count as a "wage gap."

It's like arguing that professional curlers should paid get as much as NFL players. Just doesn't makes sense when you compare revenue et al.

Except that isn't the same at all. They are both the same sport under the same organizing body.

[Parkbandit]

A. The majority of the world.

B. Equal pay is equal pay, no matter the cost. 100k a year isn't really shit in places like LA or New York.

C. I'd argue that Women's Soccer is more popular, as you know, bringing in more money than Men's, so that doesn't quite work out.

This is complete, 100% verifiable wage gap, and you are refusing to acknowledge it's existence. There is no point in further trying to show you examples, because you'll just ignore them or make up other BS excuses.

I actually agree, in this case.

Now, let me ask you this though: Do you believe the WNBA should be paying their athletes the same wage, since it's the same job, as the NBA? Even though the WNBA brings in millions less in revenue?

Equal pay is equal pay, no matter the cost....

[Gelston]

I actually agree, in this case.

Now, let me ask you this though: Do you believe the WNBA should be paying their athletes the same wage, since it's the same job, as the NBA? Even though the WNBA brings in millions less in revenue?

Equal pay is equal pay, no matter the cost....

I think it should be proportionate to the income, as with any company. I feel the Women's soccer team should make more than the Men's, because they bring in more money. Throw out the whole gender thing and go by the bottom line.

[Parkbandit]

I think it should be proportionate to the income, as with any company. I feel the Women's soccer team should make more than the Men's, because they bring in more money. Throw out the whole gender thing and go by the bottom line.

So, it does "matter the cost"

[Gelston]

So, it does "matter the cost"

Of course it does. I wouldn't expect someone in Company A to be making the same as someone in Company B if Company A is doing terrible and Company B is thriving. Now, if there are two people in Company B doing the same job, they ought to be making the same amount of money.

[GS4Pirate]

I prefer my women with two X chromosomes.


[QUOTE=GS4Pirate;1844848]But I can, it's easy for me to look through history and find that it's not "sexist cultural expectations" but rather inherent norms for the species. If it will make you feel better, I'm sorry when women rolled the dice of life they came up x,y.

Errm, Yea, x,x

[elcidcannon]

Except that isn't the same at all. They are both the same sport under the same organizing body.

Really? I'm pretty sure MLS has legally nothing to do with the woman's soccer league. They just play the same sport....so should CFL players be payed as much as NFL players? Xfinity Series drivers be paid as much as Sprint Cup Drivers?

[elcidcannon]

Really? I'm pretty sure MLS has legally nothing to do with the woman's soccer league.

Digging into it more: Both MLS and NWSL (National Women's Soccer League) are affiliates of U.S. Soccer (probably the governing body you were referring to); additional affiliates include the North American Soccer League and United Soccer League.

Should the MLS, NWSL, NASL and USL all get paid the same amount? They're playing the same game under the same governing body.....

[Tgo01]

It's sexist that we even have teams based on gender! Men who identify as women should be able to join the women's team and vice versa!

[Gelston]

Really? I'm pretty sure MLS has legally nothing to do with the woman's soccer league. They just play the same sport....so should CFL players be payed as much as NFL players? Xfinity Series drivers be paid as much as Sprint Cup Drivers?

Read the article perhaps. It is on the US Soccer Federation.


Digging into it more: Both MLS and NWSL (National Women's Soccer League) are affiliates of U.S. Soccer (probably the governing body you were referring to); additional affiliates include the North American Soccer League and United Soccer League.

Should the MLS, NWSL, NASL and USL all get paid the same amount? They're playing the same game under the same governing body.....

Again, the Women's team brings in MORE than the Men's. The women should not be getting paid LESS.

Instead of trying to bring up all this other outside stuff, perhaps read the article, look at the comparisons, and look at the actual problem. If you still don't see one, I have no idea what to tell you.

[elcidcannon]

It's sexist that we even have teams based on gender! Men who identify as women should be able to join the women's team and vice versa!

Did you see Caitlyn Jenner driving from the women's tee the other day? She didn't lose her swing in the transition.

[elcidcannon]

Again, the Women's team brings in MORE than the Men's.

Prove this.

[Gelston]

Did you see Caitlyn Jenner driving from the women's tee the other day? She didn't lose her swing in the transition.

There was no transition. He still has a dick.

[elcidcannon]

Well, she's had cosmetic surgery and I think took hormone therapy.

But still...show your foursome some mercy and hit from the men's tee?

To be honest though I don't really care one bit, it's all for the one-liners.

[Gelston]

Prove this.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=women%27s%20national%20soccer%20team%20brings% 20in%20more%20money

Take your pick. It was also in their official filing for the lawsuit.

[elcidcannon]

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=women%27s%20national%20soccer%20team%20brings% 20in%20more%20money

Take your pick. It was also in their official filing for the lawsuit.

Funny that it doesn't split up Sponsorship and Web Store financials between the Men and Women's teams.

It's also not a shocker that Women's Soccer brought in more money in a year in which they won the World Cup, and Men's soccer didn't have one. Is there any data for how much Men's soccer brought in during the 2014 World Cup? That'd be pretty telling.

[Gelston]

Well, she's had cosmetic surgery and I think took hormone therapy.

But still...show your foursome some mercy and hit from the men's tee?

To be honest though I don't really care one bit, it's all for the one-liners.

I can't read anywhere that he did Hormone. He still wants to bang his wife.

[Gnomad]

You guys are conflating a bunch of soccer shit.

MLS and NWSL (pro soccer) is not the same thing as USMNT and USWNT (US Men's/Women's National Team).

USWNT brings in as much/more than USMNT. (They're also the better team internationally.) MLS brings in more than NWSL.

[Gelston]

Would Bruce Jenner now take a wage cut? Or would he be somewhere in the middle of the gap?

[Jarvan]

You guys are conflating a bunch of soccer shit.

MLS and NWSL (pro soccer) is not the same thing as USMNT and USWNT (US Men's/Women's National Team).

USWNT brings in as much/more than USMNT. (They're also the better team internationally.) MLS brings in more than NWSL.

Stop confusing the issue!

[Latrinsorm]

I cited entirely different economists than he did.This is denoted in my post by the use of the plural: economists, not economist.
Then you went heavy with the humanism which is probably explained by your second degree. I even cited a longitudinal study with well over a million people involved just for you to do some hoping based speculation. Pretty standard.I agreed with your economists, and the many ways they stated unequivocally that women are discriminated against in ways we might inadvertently control for in an ill-advised attempt to only measure the "real" discrimination. For example:

"differential employer promotion standards due to gender differences in the probability of leaving"
"Women are Penalized - But even though men are more likely to say that they prioritize family over work, and that they do it more often, women see a greater pay penalty when they do."
But I can, it's easy for me to look through history and find that it's not "sexist cultural expectations" but rather inherent norms for the species.Let me stop you here. It is an express contradiction for you to explicitly rule out sexist cultural expectations and agree with Dr. Horwitz. If you want to disagree with him, that's fine by me, I only cited his exact words because you brought him up in the first place.
But to be serious for a moment. Is there a wage gap? yes, perhaps a slight one, but as the nerd in the video suggests, I think we have been over that hump for a good few decades now and as you suggest Latrin it has gotten much much better. We can't expect to see changes happen over night, not 35 years ago it was uncommon for women to even be in the workforce. Are we better off for the cultural change is the bigger question.Yes it is a bigger question, and yes, yes we are.

[Gelston]

Shut up, Latrin.

[GS4Pirate]

MLS brings in more than NWSL

Of course it does, because women's athletics are inferior to men's. Pretty much for the same reason that the thought of male pole dancers make a person want to vomit.

[Jarvan]

Of course it does, because women's athletics are inferior to men's. Pretty much for the same reason that the thought of male pole dancers make a person want to vomit.

Beach Volleyball.

[Gelston]

Beach Volleyball.

He prefers men in that too. His favorite movie is Top Gun.

[Parkbandit]

I can't read anywhere that he did Hormone. He still wants to bang his wife.

She took hormone therapy and doesn't have a wife anymore.

[Gelston]

She took hormone therapy and doesn't have a wife anymore.

Trick statement. Now we all know you keep up with the Kardashians.

[GS4Pirate]

Beach Volleyball.

But now we are talking about promoting T & A, and that's a no, no. Let's face it, would you watch that shit if not for hot chic's jumping up and down?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJxya0CWco

[Jarvan]

But now we are talking about promoting T & A, and that's a no, no. Let's face it, would you watch that shit if not for hot chic's jumping up and down?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJxya0CWco

I don't watch it at all. Was just pointing it out.

[Warriorbird]

Shut up, Latrin.

He didn't say anything other than what they'd already controlled for. It was deeper facepalm than normal.

[Latrinsorm]

He didn't say anything other than what they'd already controlled for. It was deeper facepalm than normal.I think there has been a miscommunication. My point was not that the direct quotes I gave indicated a lack of control, but over control. Take the first quote:

"differential employer promotion standards due to gender differences in the probability of leaving"

Dollar compensation is affected by gender bias and job title (and many other factors).
In an attempt to obtain only the effect of gender bias, we control for job title (etc.).
But job title is also affected by gender bias.
So in controlling for job title we have undermeasured the effect of gender bias.

It is a permutation of the hidden variable problem: instead of A causing B and C and giving the mistaken impression that B and C are causally related, we have [A causing B and C] and [B causing C], giving the mistaken impression that A and C are not causally related.

[Warriorbird]

I think there has been a miscommunication. My point was not that the direct quotes I gave indicated a lack of control, but over control. Take the first quote:

"differential employer promotion standards due to gender differences in the probability of leaving"

Dollar compensation is affected by gender bias and job title (and many other factors).
In an attempt to obtain only the effect of gender bias, we control for job title (etc.).
But job title is also affected by gender bias.
So in controlling for job title we have undermeasured the effect of gender bias.

It is a permutation of the hidden variable problem: instead of A causing B and C and giving the mistaken impression that B and C are causally related, we have [A causing B and C] and [B causing C], giving the mistaken impression that A and C are not causally related.

In which we see Latrin disregard anybody's science other than that posted by himself... including that of people from more distinguished institutions and with far more of those pesky on subject degrees. Troll on buddy. No diggity, no doubt.

[Latrinsorm]

In which we see Latrin disregard anybody's science other than that posted by himself... including that of people from more distinguished institutions and with far more of those pesky on subject degrees. Troll on buddy. No diggity, no doubt.I'm explicitly agreeing with what they explicitly say, as I have already said four distinct times. If the conclusion I reach in doing so is not the same as yours, perhaps it is you who is disregarding, eh? :)

[Warriorbird]

I'm explicitly agreeing with what they explicitly say, as I have already said four distinct times. If the conclusion I reach in doing so is not the same as yours, perhaps it is you who is disregarding, eh? :)

That'd be a no. It's up there with shifting events ten years in time to try to make a point. You telling way more qualified people that they over controlled is ridiculous.

[GS4Pirate]

If we would just take a moment to be honest with ourselves and not get our feels all in a twist. All these 'ism's really should be classified as a left over skill of survival from a distant time in our history. When our daily lives were filled with the constant tedium of surviving the next winter/dry season etc. The physically stronger out hunting/felling trees etc. and the more nurturing of the species tending to home camp. It's not like we had time to sit around and watch T.V. and shit, survival was a constant struggle. Our advancements in technology have reduced the demand in these natural skill sets (sadly in some cases), yet we are still left with that natural instinct to fulfill or use them.

Not to say that some of our social changes are not a good thing, women's rights, racism etc. but even in those cases they are a forced social construct that goes against our natural instinct. As a society we tolerate these changes to natural order only because technology makes it easy to do so, if modern society were to fail (collapse of the electrical grid or some shit), I assure you the use of these 'ism's would once again become common practice.

Social justice can only go so far in it's attempt at turning a duck into a goose.

(I don't know if any of this is true, but it sure sounds good)

[Parkbandit]

That'd be a no. It's up there with shifting events ten years in time to try to make a point. You telling way more qualified people that they over controlled is ridiculous.

http://i.imgur.com/SozIWQ2.jpg

[Methais]

Not to say that some of our social changes are not a good thing, women's rights, racism etc.

He said racism is good omg omgomg omgomg omg omgo moracist!

[Gelston]

He said racism is good omg omgomg omgomg omg omgo moracist!

Racism is good. I fucking hate the bluemen of Las Vegas.

[GS4Pirate]

He said racism is good omg omgomg omgomg omg omgo moracist!

I'm starting to think "Racism" is a word multi-culturalist's used to replace "Tribalism"......one could almost come to the conclusion that statists are de facto racists. More pondering needed.

[time4fun]

I'm starting to think "Racism" is a word multi-culturalist's used to replace "Tribalism"......one could almost come to the conclusion that statists are de facto racists. More pondering needed.

Very white of you

[GS4Pirate]

Very white of you

There's no reason to hate me for my lack of melanin.

Hmmm...melanin deficient, that could be a thing.

[Methais]

I'm not white, I'm just minority challenged.

[Latrinsorm]

That'd be a no. It's up there with shifting events ten years in time to try to make a point. You telling way more qualified people that they over controlled is ridiculous.That would be ridiculous, yes, but luckily it is not what I said. This is I think a useful moment for you: when you think a person is making a ridiculous error, the error may be your understanding of what that person said. In this case I have said five times that I agreed with the people you linked. Your interpretation is that I disagree with them. That interpretation is just wrong. You can claim I don't genuinely agree with them, or that I am mistaken in what they said, but it is absurd on its face to put the exact opposite of my words in my mouth.
If we would just take a moment to be honest with ourselves and not get our feels all in a twist. All these 'ism's really should be classified as a left over skill of survival from a distant time in our history. When our daily lives were filled with the constant tedium of surviving the next winter/dry season etc. The physically stronger out hunting/felling trees etc. and the more nurturing of the species tending to home camp. It's not like we had time to sit around and watch T.V. and shit, survival was a constant struggle. Our advancements in technology have reduced the demand in these natural skill sets (sadly in some cases), yet we are still left with that natural instinct to fulfill or use them. Not to say that some of our social changes are not a good thing, women's rights, racism etc. but even in those cases they are a forced social construct that goes against our natural instinct. As a society we tolerate these changes to natural order only because technology makes it easy to do so, if modern society were to fail (collapse of the electrical grid or some shit), I assure you the use of these 'ism's would once again become common practice. Social justice can only go so far in it's attempt at turning a duck into a goose. (I don't know if any of this is true, but it sure sounds good)I heard from someone who seemed reliable that hunter gatherers actually had way more leisure time than we do now. Certainly technologically advanced societies are correlated with more advanced human rights throughout history, from the Fatimid Caliphate to the United States of Barack Obama's Caliphate, but I think you misattribute the causation. I don't think people tolerate change because technology makes it easier, but that technology makes it easier to force people to accept change. Every agrarian state outran its resources and collapsed, leading to sharp decline in the rights enjoyed by its former citizens, but technology did not suffer until much later if at all. It is only the industrial state that is stable, and thus can ensure rights in perpetuity.

[Warriorbird]

That would be ridiculous, yes, but luckily it is not what I said. This is I think a useful moment for you: when you think a person is making a ridiculous error, the error may be your understanding of what that person said. In this case I have said five times that I agreed with the people you linked. Your interpretation is that I disagree with them. That interpretation is just wrong. You can claim I don't genuinely agree with them, or that I am mistaken in what they said, but it is absurd on its face to put the exact opposite of my words in my mouth.

How exactly are used too many controls and overcontrolled different? They're not. I'm sorry that you want to be so pedantic.

"I agree with them BUT" = you don't actually agree with them. Basic fundamental stuff here.

[GS4Pirate]

I heard from someone who seemed reliable that hunter gatherers actually had way more leisure time than we do now

That someone is a fucking retard, who obviously can't grasp (like most people) the amount of work it takes to assure you don't wake up dead when your most advanced tool is a rock tied to the end of a stick. Just stop Latrin and watch this fucking dude:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKkHqlx9dE

[drauz]

That someone is a fucking retard, who obviously can't grasp (like most people) the amount of work it takes to assure you don't wake up dead when your most advanced tool is a rock tied to the end of a stick. Just stop Latrin and watch this fucking dude:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKkHqlx9dE

Only took that guy 11 minutes to build a house. It is easy!

[Methais]

Only took that guy 11 minutes to build a house. It is easy!

Anyone can do that shit!

Except Latrin because he might break a nail.

[GS4Pirate]

Only took that guy 11 minutes to build a house. It is easy!

There's one where he builds a kiln and makes a shelter that has a tiled roof, that took 15 minutes.

[Latrinsorm]

How exactly are used too many controls and overcontrolled different? They're not. I'm sorry that you want to be so pedantic. "I agree with them BUT" = you don't actually agree with them. Basic fundamental stuff here.There are no buts: I'm right, they're right, you're wrong.
That someone is a fucking retard, who obviously can't grasp (like most people) the amount of work it takes to assure you don't wake up dead when your most advanced tool is a rock tied to the end of a stick. Just stop Latrin and watch this fucking dude:There were no one person hunter gatherer groups. Certainly an individual trying to live that lifestyle would have probably zero leisure time and be shortly dead; perhaps this is why we invented the individual long after we invented the group. Anyway this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society) isn't where I originally got my information but it might have been where the person who told me did, and I think it's a good read. Life is, has always been, and will always be a team sport. A group can do things unimaginable for an individual, and it would appear this is one of those things.

[Warriorbird]

There are no buts: I'm right, they're right, you're wrong.

You criticized far more reputable data scientists for using too many controls. Now you're pretending you didn't. This is up there with you trying to switch events in time to try to pretend you're a historian. It's you finding fault with precisely the sort of study you've pretended to beg for elsewhere.

[Latrinsorm]

You criticized far more reputable data scientists for using too many controls. Now you're pretending you didn't. This is up there with you trying to switch events in time to try to pretend you're a historian. It's you finding fault with precisely the sort of study you've pretended to beg for elsewhere.It is up there with that, in that both times you completely misstate what I said. :D

[Warriorbird]

It is up there with that, in that both times you completely misstate what I said. :D

There's a reason I bothered to quote your "I agree with them BUT."

[Latrinsorm]

There's a reason I bothered to quote your "I agree with them BUT."I never said that. What I said was: "I agreed with your economists, and the many ways they stated unequivocally that women are discriminated against in ways we might inadvertently control for in an ill-advised attempt to only measure the "real" discrimination."

As I have reiterated many times, I have no problem with your economists' findings. Why should I? As we have agreed many times, I am not an economist. You are so trapped by your notion of how I behave that you literally read "and" as "but", and have absolutely refused to check the source material even while claiming that you are quoting me. Yikes! I would be concerned if I were you.

[Warriorbird]

I never said that. What I said was: "I agreed with your economists, and the many ways they stated unequivocally that women are discriminated against in ways we might inadvertently control for in an ill-advised attempt to only measure the "real" discrimination."

As I have reiterated many times, I have no problem with your economists' findings. Why should I? As we have agreed many times, I am not an economist. You are so trapped by your notion of how I behave that you literally read "and" as "but", and have absolutely refused to check the source material even while claiming that you are quoting me. Yikes! I would be concerned if I were you.

While simultaneously posting the thrust of your argument (that discrimination is worse than the numbers you make it clear you agree with suggest) you try to backhandedly praise the study. It's staggering that you miss this in service of a "gotcha." but not really.

[Latrinsorm]

While simultaneously posting the thrust of your argument (that discrimination is worse than the numbers you make it clear you agree with suggest) you try to backhandedly praise the study. It's staggering that you miss this in service of a "gotcha." but not really.Discrimination is exactly as bad as the numbers I agree with state (within statistical error), and that value is larger than the one you agree with because according to what is stated in the study you are over controlling. There's no gotcha here. You just misread the source, and have regrettably but not surprisingly reinforced that by misreading what I say about it.

[Warriorbird]

Discrimination is exactly as bad as the numbers I agree with state (within statistical error), and that value is larger than the one you agree with because according to what is stated in the study you are over controlling. There's no gotcha here. You just misread the source, and have regrettably but not surprisingly reinforced that by misreading what I say about it.

The very person who inspired me to take science more seriously travels to Cloudcuckooland. I blame philosophy.