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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    They didn't start as multibillion dollar companies.
    They used government protection to become the behemoth they are today and now they crush any competition that even tries to emerge. Same with Facebook. Facebook now just buys anything that might compete with Facebook.

    When the government offered these protections to internet companies I don't think they envisioned just a handful of internet companies running everything, they wanted a lot of competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    They used government protection to become the behemoth they are today and now they crush any competition that even tries to emerge. Same with Facebook. Facebook now just buys anything that might compete with Facebook.

    When the government offered these protections to internet companies I don't think they envisioned just a handful of internet companies running everything, they wanted a lot of competition.
    You mean like Standard Oil did? Like AT&T did? Like Disney did? Like Microsoft did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    You mean like Standard Oil did? Like AT&T did? Like Disney did? Like Microsoft did?
    And AT&T was broken up and is regulated like a son of a bitch.

    Microsoft was so afraid of government intervention that Bill Gates invested heavily in Apple when they were about to go bankrupt just so they would have competition.

    Facebook, Google, and Reddit continue to do whatever they want and don't seem to fear the government in the slightest bit.

    I also would have no problem with this thinking of "Just build your own platform!" if Democrats actually allowed that shit to happen. Look what happened when someone dared to compete with Twitter; talking heads on MSNBC and CNN told everyone Parler was a threat to democracy itself, Democrat politicians lambasted Parler as a platform for white supremacists and Nazis, Democrats demanded their hosting company cut ties with them which they did. Look what happened to sites like Gab, just about every payment processor refused to do business with them, making it almost impossible to conduct business.

    "Just build your own internet and banking system!"

    This idea doesn't work when the players who control everything bend at the whim of one major political party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    And AT&T was broken up and is regulated like a son of a bitch.

    Microsoft was so afraid of government intervention they invested heavily in Apple just so they would have competition.

    Facebook, Google, and Reddit continue to do whatever they want and don't seem to fear the government in the slightest bit.

    I also would have no problem with this thinking of "Just build your own platform!" if Democrats actually allowed that shit to happen. Look what happened when someone dared to compete with Twitter; talking heads on MSNBC and CNN told everyone Parler was a threat to democracy itself, Democrat politicians lambasted Parler as a platform for white supremacists and Nazis, Democrats demanded their hosting company cut ties with them which they did. Look what happened to sites like Gab, just about every payment processor refused to do business with them, making it almost impossible to conduct business.

    "Just build your own internet and banking system!"

    This idea doesn't work when the players who control everything bend at the whim of one major political party.
    No, really. There is a market for it. Twitter wasn't shit until the Arab Spring popularized it. It took google over a decade to get big.

    PornHub doesn't moderate comments, so you can go post there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    And AT&T was broken up and is regulated like a son of a bitch.

    Microsoft was so afraid of government intervention that Bill Gates invested heavily in Apple when they were about to go bankrupt just so they would have competition.

    Facebook, Google, and Reddit continue to do whatever they want and don't seem to fear the government in the slightest bit.

    I also would have no problem with this thinking of "Just build your own platform!" if Democrats actually allowed that shit to happen. Look what happened when someone dared to compete with Twitter; talking heads on MSNBC and CNN told everyone Parler was a threat to democracy itself, Democrat politicians lambasted Parler as a platform for white supremacists and Nazis, Democrats demanded their hosting company cut ties with them which they did. Look what happened to sites like Gab, just about every payment processor refused to do business with them, making it almost impossible to conduct business.

    "Just build your own internet and banking system!"

    This idea doesn't work when the players who control everything bend at the whim of one major political party.
    For more examples of the left just completely dominating the narrative in the way I just described look no further than Wikipedia.

    Parler's summary:

    Parler (/ˈpɑːrlər/) is an American alt-tech microblogging and social networking service. It has a significant user base of Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, conspiracy theorists, and far-right extremists.[8][9][10][11] Posts on the service often contain far-right content,[16] antisemitism,[23] and conspiracy theories such as QAnon.
    Gab:

    Gab is an American alt-tech social networking service known for its far-right userbase.[8] Widely described as a haven for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, the alt-right, and QAnon conspiracy theorists,[12] it has attracted users and groups who have been banned from other social media and users seeking alternatives to mainstream social media platforms.[22] Gab says it promotes free speech, individual liberty, and "the free flow of information online", though these statements have been criticized as being a shield for its alt-right and extremist ecosystem.[25] Antisemitism is prominent in the site's content, and the company itself has engaged in antisemitic commentary on Twitter.[27][32] Researchers note that Gab has been "repeatedly linked to radicalization leading to real-world violent events".
    Competition to Twitter? "Nazis! White supremacists! EEEEVVVVVIIIILLLL! Don't go there!"

    Oh but surely they mention Twitter's left wing tilt so I'm being totally unfair here.

    Twitter:

    Twitter is an American microblogging and social networking service on which users post and interact with messages known as "tweets". Registered users can post, like and retweet tweets, but unregistered users can only read them. Users access Twitter through its website interface or its mobile-device application software ("app"), though the service could also be accessed via SMS before April 2020.[13] Twitter, Inc. is based in San Francisco, California, and has more than 25 offices around the world.[14] Tweets were originally restricted to 140 characters, but was doubled to 280 for non-CJK languages in November 2017.[15] Audio and video tweets remain limited to 140 seconds for most accounts.
    Oh wait, shit, not a single mention of their "moderation" being heavily left leaning. Weird.

    Surely Wikipedia doesn't do this for news papers too.

    NYPost:

    The New York Post (sometimes abbreviated as NY Post) is a conservative-leaning[3] daily tabloid newspaper in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the celebrity gossip site PageSix.com and the entertainment site Decider.com.
    NYPst is a "conservative-leaning" "tabloid" newspaper.

    NYT is obviously far left leaning, surely this is noted.

    NYT:
    The New York Times (NYT or NY Times) is an American daily newspaper based in New York City with a worldwide readership.[7][8] Founded in 1851, the Times has since won 130 Pulitzer Prizes (the most of any newspaper),[9] and has long been regarded within the industry as a national "newspaper of record".[10] It is ranked 18th in the world by circulation and 3rd in the U.S.[11]
    Hmm. Guess not.

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    OH wow, companies talk shit about each other. Amazing detective work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    No, really. There is a market for it. Twitter wasn't shit until the Arab Spring popularized it. It took google over a decade to get big.
    And these companies can't hope to compete in a market where Democrats tell them to shut someone down and they do exactly that.

    Do you think Twitter or Google would still be a thing if when they were just starting out Republicans could have demanded everyone stop doing business with them and the companies were so afraid of Republicans that they did just that? Of course not.

    Democrats have found a way to control speech, they just hide behind "private businesses" now.

    So important was free speech and access to free speech platforms to politicians back in the day that they forbid telecommunication companies from discriminating against anyone and forbid them from censoring anyone using their platform, in exchange for these limitations they protected telecommunication companies from lawsuits and criminal charges if someone used their service to plan a murder or something.

    Fast forward to the internet era and now congress is like "Eh, go ahead and discriminate, you can decide who can and cannot use your platform, you can censor free speech all you want, AND we'll even provide some protection from lawsuits."

    What happened here? Why are we suddenly okay with this? The biggest difference is Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and Reddit are MUCH more powerful in terms of providing a free speech platform than telecommunication companies ever were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    OH wow, companies talk shit about each other. Amazing detective work.
    That would be fine if Wikipedia described themselves as "The free gossip rag that anyone can edit."

    Instead they describe themselves as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." I'm just asking for a bit of honesty here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    That would be fine if Wikipedia described themselves as "The free gossip rag that anyone can edit."

    Instead they describe themselves as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." I'm just asking for a bit of honesty here.
    You can go in and edit that out if you want, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    You can go in and edit that out if you want, though.
    The "super editors" or whatever they are called will just change it back and will eventually lock the section.

    It's a whole thing over at Wikipedia now.

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