If you think there isn't a plan in effect....

[Ashliana]

Free IDs are a thing because the "best" liberal talking point is that they believe minorities are too stupid and too poor to get an ID that cost money.. and they use that retarded "logic" to say that voting shouldn't cost anything and therefore asking for an ID to vote is racist.

Also, I agree. Make it a federal thing where we get a free ID card with a photo and it erases any "logical" excuse liberals have to cry about voter ID laws.

You'd think that in sixty years of being a blight on the nation, you'd have picked up 1) why national IDs aren't a thing and 2) why conservative groups oppose the creation of national IDs (as do neutral and liberal ones).

Similarly, your willful ignorance of why Republicans push restrictions on voting doesn't exist in a vacuum and is made all the funnier by the fact that Republicans, in the Trump age, gave away the game, both to the Supreme Court, and one of the Trump campaign's lawyers caught on tape admitting to the long-held tradition by conservatives.

[Parkbandit]

You'd think that in sixty years of being a blight on the nation, you'd have picked up 1) why national IDs aren't a thing and 2) why conservative groups oppose the creation of national IDs (as do neutral and liberal ones).

Similarly, your willful ignorance of why Republicans push restrictions on voting doesn't exist in a vacuum and is made all the funnier by the fact that Republicans, in the Trump age, gave away the game, both to the Supreme Court, and one of the Trump campaign's lawyers caught on tape admitting to the long-held tradition by conservatives.

I can't help but feel I'm the reason this ooze is going into other topics.

I should never have pointed out that I was trying to contain it in the aptly named "A thread for Ashliana".. because now It'll be posting allllllllll over the place.

My apologies. It was a decent 2 months though.

[Ashliana]

I can't help but feel I'm the reason this ooze is going into other topics.

I should never have pointed out that I was trying to contain it in the aptly named "A thread for Ashliana".. because now It'll be posting allllllllll over the place.

My apologies. It was a decent 2 months though.

You were never "containing" anything. I had been, and will continue, posting as I see fit. We'll just put add yet another star to your championship diaper for the stupidity about a self-identifying conservative arguing for a national ID, though.

[Shaps]

National IDs aren't a thing? Pretty sure our Social Security Number is a "National ID".

[Ashliana]

National IDs aren't a thing? Pretty sure our Social Security Number is a "National ID".

If you have time to look over the sources I posted, you'd see why both leftist, centrist and right-wing groups oppose the creation of a more widely adopted or, heaven forbid, mandatory national ID, and that SSNs have been wildly expanded beyond their originally stated purpose (and that an actual national ID would pose even greater risks).

To answer your question directly, no, a person's SSN is a unique identifier that connects to a person's tax record and eligibility to work in the US, but a Social Security card doesn't identify a holder itself and isn't a primary form of ID. That's why you need other documents in addition to a Social Security card to receive an optional national ID issued for more limited purposes (i.e., a Passport or Passport card).

[Shaps]

If you have time to look over the sources I posted, you'd see why both leftist, centrist and right-wing groups oppose the creation of a more widely adopted or, heaven forbid, mandatory national ID, and that SSNs have been wildly expanded beyond their originally stated purpose (and that an actual national ID would pose even greater risks).

To answer your question directly, no, a person's SSN is a unique identifier that connects to a person's tax record and eligibility to work in the US, but a Social Security card doesn't identify a holder itself and isn't a primary form of ID. That's why you need other documents in addition to a Social Security card to receive an optional national ID issued for more limited purposes (i.e., a Passport or Passport card).

First reasonable post from you in awhile - so I will actually reply to it.

Understand the points you are making and I don't disagree with them all. I posted on this awhile back as a compromise to 1. ensure election integrity 2. it would provide a standardized/subsidized free form of ID for all legal US citizens and 3. Ensure consolidation of all the current various forms out there.

All are issued a SS card upon birth - without photo. At 18, US Citizen goes and updates their SS card to one with a photo. Renew the SS card every 10 years with a new photo. This card would only need to be displayed for work use (as you linked), and as confirmation of citizenship when Voting. That's it. Nothing else.

It could serve a dual purpose as a free and concise measure to calm everyone's insanity about various things with regards to voting. Every citizen receives it free of charge and ensures standardization across the states to assist local governments with voter ID requirements.

Only reason to fight showing an ID to vote - is if you want to cheat. Everything in life requires ID (rent a home, file for benefits, purchase things, etc.). Making it free and in one standardized format is a good compromise IMO. Could go with Passports, but those are different and have to much exposure overseas, whereas a Social Security card is protected much more closely (or people should be protecting it more closely).

Edit: Understand, I'm open to other ideas. This was one I recommended as a way to ensure no out of pocket cost to the individual, standardized formatting across multiple states, secure (as much as stuff can be in this digital age), and utilizing an already existing database and developed system without added cost to government infrastructure (ie. no new department needed, or offices, etc.). I'm open to any recommendations you may have as an alternative.

Edit2: BTW good link on the CATO article. I don't disagree with a lot of what it's saying either. If they start going Biometric with that shit (which eventually they will, because... technology) I will avoid that at all costs. People like tech to much though to avoid it occurring, as it is more prevalent in our lives. The problem isn't the systems though, it's the people in charge of the systems. And I don't think any of us have a good feeling about most of our politicians.

[Gelston]

Honestly, I'd rather just have free US Passports.

[Shaps]

Honestly, I'd rather just have free US Passports.

That would be nice too. I like passports being their separate thing though, just because of their exposure overseas. So certain info shouldn't be on it - but again in the digital age nothing is really secure if someone really wants to find it.

With what people pay in taxes already - SS card and Passports should be free to all citizens.