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    Default Hello, Goodbye, F off

    1. Introduction

    This document has grown from a small complaint following a specific incident to a rather large, some may say overly large, list of grievances. The genesis of this was my desire to end my time with the game due to the staff, especially in this case Itzel and Vannah, coming in and antagonizing the player base and spreading lies. I have had some conversations where the nature of what is a lie came up and while one does need an intent to deceive to show a true lie versus just being tragically misinformed, I think a case can be made that there was a point they both knew better but held onto the lie out of desperation or stubbornness.

    I know this much to be true, the corporation that controls Discord was never in contact with the Simutronics staff as the staff claimed, the entire incident was a series of blunders by the Simutronics staff, any statements that they were reacting to uncivil behavior was misinformation, and eventual lies, spread by Simutronics staff. They immediately stopped when I threatened to report them to Discord if they continued this lie.

    Obviously one lying pair of GM’s is not enough to make someone who has spent 30 years in a gaming community walk away, or I never would have made it to the 30 year mark in the first place. This was simply a straw breaking the camel’s back situation.

    Ok, that's why we are where we are.

    What follows is a hopefully partial and direct catalogue of real issues.

    I have somehow managed to avoid a lot of the various insults over the years that some parties like to throw around as basic attacks, for most of the game I have remarkably been able to avoid misogynistic claims or racist claims or any number of claims some of the more putrid corners of the RP community throw out with abandon and without evidence…thank you for that at least…but also fuck you for engaging in that behavior with anyone else.

    I am, to misquote Hamilton, unconscious of intentional error, I am nevertheless too sensible of my defects not to think it probable that I may have committed many errors, just know the errors are not done maliciously or intentionally. The critique is intentional, any unknown errors are not.

    II. Fuck You Thandiwe – Mother of Assholes

    I am going to start with Thandiwe, not because she is the worst but because she is the easiest to document. Never, to my knowledge, has a singular GM shown such disregard for the idea of impartiality as Thandiwe in such a grandiose manner. People will talk about old stories where some individuals got special titles, she would grant them to EVERYONE she liked, there are stories about special items being handed out, she would hand out entire cities, there are stories about some players getting some special attention, she would show a myopic focus on her friends group that would baffle even her supporters at times.

    Thandiwe was once the event guru, and she did a marginally competent job in that role, though to be fair her main goal was to ringmaster the work of other GM’s and soothe angry customers spending stupid amounts of money on text weapons. However she was promoted to the highest position within the RP community in 2023 and the community has become more fractured, less civil, and harder to repair every moment since.

    Thandiwe is the overly permissive parent, spoon-feeding her beloved child every sweet and indulgence she can think of, or they can beg for, while ignoring every warning sign that she is creating a spoiled, pre-diabetic, odiferous little Oompa Loompa in the process. Having built her own Dudley, she seems genuinely shocked when the Harry Potters of the world find her darling unpleasant to be around. Instead of course-correcting, she doubles down. She praises every inch of their flatulent, fattened little form and wonders why no one else can see the special little flower she has made.

    But this world isn’t a nursery. It is shared by multitudes. No matter how many GMs she yanks out to rain down praise, her Dudleys just get angrier that the rest of us are not applauding. After all, Mother Thandiwe tells them they are glorious. She says it again and again. So they stew. They fume. They wait for the world to love them the way she does.

    Meanwhile, she keeps shoving more sugar down their throats, whispering how wonderful they are, caught in a vicious cycle that leaves them bloated, bitter, and convinced that the problem must be everyone else.
    This kind of environment is of course one that is deadly to RP, which depends on at least the illusion of neutrality and of course we have seen that the person in charge of “world stories” has retreated to the most laser focused, self-indulgent, obscure, and boring stories imaginable as we would expect of someone who is deathly afraid of offending her self created monster.

    Thandiwe has managed to get more people pissed off at the empire than I could have ever done alone, she has managed to turn them into an alternative fact factory that avoids hard definitions like the plague because she knows anything definitive would lead to cognitive dissonance. Since rising to the top she has given out so many empire titles she has watered down the currency, no one can tell what her booffurs and baffelwins and sirs and senechals even mean at this point much less care. She has literally portaled her people into other storylines, with actual portals, and acted absolutely amazed that this wasn’t received well. She has built things and then modified them so that her chosen can use them, and when anyone else shows an interest in one of her creations she will modify it again to make it more digestible for her special Duddleys.

    Even her structural experiments were deployed in service of the same. A new section of a city was created with strict entry requirements. When her chosen players didn’t meet them, the requirements were quietly rewritten. Citizenship was redefined. Prerequisites bent. Lore logic folded in on itself... all so that access flowed to the same predictable doors.

    By 2024, the pattern had hardened. Thandiwe began using her personal NPCs to carry grievances from Discord into the game world, treating story like a megaphone. Yet again, the same voices were amplified, always those in her good graces. She became the dutiful fangirl, giving credence to terrible ideas by layering them onto her NPCs.
    Her role in the larger meta, as one of the top GM’s in the entire game, has been equally one sided and hard to follow. She was in 2023 saying she couldn’t go in private discords and by 2025 not only allowing other GM’s to do so but sliding into them herself.

    This experience has apparently drained Thandiwe, to the point I could probably just let ChatGpt write most of her letters and NPC interactions directly as it is surely writing them indirectly. There is an old saying that to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. I can truly say that by this definition Thandiwe is truly insane.

    It is likely I could have outlasted Thandiwe in her current role, though I eventually reached a point where monetarily I didn’t want to support this game anymore, because there will come a day she gets tired and steps back…and on that day it will be her own creation that is harshest against her as they were against everyone before her. Her own little Frankenstein Monster is at her gate.

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    III Fuck You Itzel - A Chronic Issue.
    Let's talk about Itzel.
    I really don’t know if I need to talk about Itzel as the name is so well known, and so well documented to be a problem that just saying the name triggers a memory and a sigh from most of the player base. Post after post year after year there has been someone who has had problems with Itzel.
    I don’t blame Itzel for being Itzel as much as I blame Wyrom, who we will get to later, for allowing Itzel to continue.
    I have worked in fields where we have run into a “bull dog” type employee, brought charges on prison systems where they had this one guy who they always called when things were going harsh and they knew the ol’ bull dog would run in a whip some ass and bring the population in line. The drill instructor who you keep in the back and pull out to scare the recruits. The hammer you send out to the field to bring failing stores back into the fold.
    The problem with these “enforcer persona” people is it becomes the entire personality and leads to predictable problems, the guard goes too far and someone gets injured needlessly, the drill instructor gets too physical, the field worker ends up driving off workers instead of correcting them. That is Itzel.
    Those personas exist in a state of forward momentum that rarely allows them to let off the gas, Itzel was caught in a lie and her response was to ban people who pointed it out. That is always her response, it doesn’t matter if she is actuall caught in a lie or someone is just saying it she is someone who sees everything as a hole and by god she is going to fuck it.
    In Itzel’s case, this enforcer persona seems to have metastasized. It’s no longer about solving problems. It’s about showing dominance, Wyrom lacks the tools to handle this rogue element and it shows.

    These types don’t usually burn out on their own. They get stopped. Or protected, and indeed the protected ones normally lead to the largest problems in my experience. And in Itzel’s case, she has been protected. That’s not her fault. That’s the fault of leadership….of Wyrom…for keeping the weapon pointed outward and never asking what happens when it starts misfiring inside the system, for having no other tool he can use but Itzel, and for failing to build his team in such a way they check this behavior instead of enable and escalate it.

    Speaking of Wyrom….
    Last edited by Dendum; 08-03-2025 at 09:40 PM.

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    IV. Fuck You Wyrom – The Buck Stops Where?

    One thing about Thandiwe and Itzel: they do have positive traits. It’s wrong to paint them as one-dimensional fuckups. Wyrom is no exception. He has a love of puzzles that I genuinely enjoy, even if the broader player base doesn’t. He gives lip service to RP, which at least sounds good. There have been plenty of times, over the decades I’ve played this game, when people have said-and I’ve echoed-“At least we have Wyrom.”

    Unlike Xeraphenia, he has actual customer service skills. Unlike Thandiwe, he seems to have a passing interest in game design theory. Unlike Itzel, he can be more than a one-dimensional asshole.

    Wyrom is the top of the tier list, the big dog, king of the hill. And that means he is ultimately responsible for all the crap that happens.

    Unfortunately, it’s his position at the top where he either proves himself most incompetent, or most suspect. Wyrom either sucks at his job, or he’s very good at it and a manipulative asshole. There’s not a lot of room left for the happy middle.
    If Itzel is bulldogging her way through the player base, Wyrom holds the leash. If Thandiwe has transcended favoritism and standom into levels we have never seen before, Wyrom is either condoning it or turning a blind eye. Neither scenario leaves him clean.

    He has a habit of deflecting everything wrong and bad up or down the chain: overzealous GMs to the left of him, overburdensome Stillfront to the right, intransigent players all around. But the truth is this:
    Wyrom is the big dog. If you don’t like something, he’s the one to blame.
    The tailspin into a pay-to-win model that doesn’t actually keep the lights on? Wyrom.


    GMs running amok with favoritism? Wyrom.


    Itzel? Wyrom.


    Mariath? Wyrom.


    St. Louis dragging the game by the balls into an entropic death spiral? Still Wyrom.


    If you don’t like the damn icon on Discord? That was also Wyrom.


    Despite his best attempts to make it seem otherwise, he is the boss. He does have responsibility.
    One of Wyrom’s oldest habits, and maybe his worst, is avoiding writing anything down. He doesn’t commit to things in public. When controversy hits, he pivots to voice chats, claiming “text doesn’t carry nuance.” Maybe that’s true. But the result is always the same: no record, no decisions, no accountability. Problems get talked to death in private. Nothing is clarified. Nothing is logged. Nothing ever changes.
    Everyone walks away thinking something was handled. But there’s never anything to point to when it happens again. And it always happens again.
    We were discussing one of those “Wyrom Rules” recently. In December 2022, he made an offhand comment about GMs being allowed to remain in unofficial Discords as guests. Some GMs took that to mean they couldn’t join new ones. By March 2023, Thandiwe was saying it would be inappropriate for GMs to be in a certain unofficial Discord. But fast forward to 2025, and Thandiwe is sliding into Discords willy-nilly. The whole thing is forgotten.
    Why?
    Because “Wyrom Rules” are always vague as hell. Followed by a mess of staff and player interpretations. No one knows what the actual policy is, because Wyrom never commits to one.

    CLARITY PROTECTS PLAYERS.

    And Wyrom doesn’t do clarity.

    The entire recent blow-up in Off Topic - the one that ended with Itzel swooping in, lying to players, agitating them, and banning them - started because of Wyrom’s piss-poor management skills. He rolled out a new set of tools, failed to properly inform his underlings, sent them a vague email about needing to “stay in Discord guidelines,” and then left them to interpret it like God had spoken through a broken fax machine. For two days, GMs ran around thinking Discord itself had issued divine commandments. That is a failure of leadership, start to finish.

    He never apologized to the player base, never addressed it, move on is his motto, don’t reflect, don't learn…just move on.
    This game is not healthy right now. The pay-to-win market is saturated. The player base is aging. The RP community is paralyzed. HOA is a pernicious group of fuckers eating away at things from the side.
    It is going to need a more stable hand at the helm than Mr. “It Was Someone Else” Wyrom.
    Can he be that person? Maybe.

    But not while he keeps tap dancing on the edge of every issue, trying to placate everyone and taking ownership or command of nothing.

    I can’t blame Wyrom for the player base but everything done by staff, yea he is the Boss time to act like it.

    Speaking of the playerbase…
    Last edited by Dendum; 08-03-2025 at 09:41 PM.

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    V. Fuck the Gryphons – No Seriously, Fuck These Guys
    (and their little dog Bristenn too)

    Look, there are plenty of bad apples in the playerbase, and yeah, maybe my own bias is showing by starting with the Gryphons instead of Maylan’s far more effective little crew. But these guys? These guys are genuinely awful.

    I’ve never in my life seen a group more committed to casting themselves as victims while being absolutely showered with every possible reward. Thandiwe’s Dudleys? Here they are, loud and proud, stomping on the staircase and demanding to know why they only got 36 presents this year when it was 37 last time.

    We’ve had Gryphons – Yukito and Geijon, looking at you – jumping into DMs to tell us to fuck off. We’ve had Akenna calling multiple people cunts. We’ve been lied to constantly – hi Guarrin – and dealt with their passive-aggressive gaslighting bullshit for five straight years.

    And for five years, we took the high road.
    For five years, we avoided naming names.
    For five years, we kept quiet just to avoid poking the hive.
    Well, I’m leaving. So fuck that.

    Let’s start with the foundational lie: that anyone drove the Gryphons out of the Landing.
    They left on their own. Packed their bags and moved to Solhaven before NxNw even started.
    They even had an argument with Britenn’s little Temu Knightly order over the whole thing before we ever mentioned their name.
    One of the things that pissed them off most was me pointing out the obvious – they practically lived in Solhaven and only rode up to the Landing for GM attention before heading right back south. I don’t know what crack Auchand was smoking when he invented some Cabal forcing them out. The only group who ever pushed the Gryphons out of the Landing………. was the Gryphons.

    Now, did they move out because people started calling out their alignment with a fascist, racist empire that looks a hell of a lot like a MAGA cosplay with spurs? Maybe. But the timeline doesn’t lie – they left before NxNw. They only pretended they hadn’t because their Order and its precious titles, which they would gobble down a bag of dicks to preserve, were tied to an oath to defend the town. And when that became inconvenient? Well, oaths in a game are easy to “fix” if your GMs never call you on anything.

    Every lie they’ve spun for the last five years has eventually collapsed under the weight of their own behavior.
    Early NxNw, they said “not all of us are part of the Empire.”
    Then Thandiwe started handing out Imperial titles like rice at a wedding, and these motherfuckers gobbled them up like starving pigeons on crack.

    They’ve tried every rhetorical dodge imaginable to make themselves not look like assholes. Dozens of arguments, all of them failed, all of them forgotten the moment they crawled back into their side Discord to cry to GMs who keep telling them how brave and special they are for roleplaying nothing but each other’s boot polish.

    These people giving lectures on bravery is like Bernie Madoff giving a seminar on fiscal ethics. I get that some folks like to RP things they’d never pull off in real life, but these clowns can’t even face their own cognitive dissonance without flinching.

    Let’s be real. The Empire has always been written like a satire of a fascist, racist, autocratic state. It was killing dwarves and ruled by a racist empress WHEN THEY JOINED IT. The complaint that Kenstrom spent the last 17 years corrupting your poor, noble Empire is one of the most astonishing acts of mindfuckers and self delusion I’ve ever seen. He didn’t “make the Empire bad.” The Empire was written bad. Doc after doc confirmed it. Everything before Thandiwe showed up trying to retcon things for her oompa loompa confederates showed a nuanced but openly oppressive and completely racist regime.

    And no, I’m not sorry we didn’t let you do with the Empire what Kothos tries to do with Ivas - rewrite reality to fit your narrative.
    I’m not sorry we didn’t let you paint this racist hellhole of a government as noble.
    I’m not sorry we didn’t let you throw on your red hats and pretend that Canada and Greenland and Ukraine would just stand aside if you threw out enough Rubbles and Dollars…the real world doesn’t work like that, people don’t work like that.
    My first objection to the Empire’s expansion was IC.
    My continued objection is OOC: your attempt to whitewash a systemically racist narrative into something heroic. Fuck that.
    You built your house on shit and now you're mad we won’t call it a castle.

    Oh – and Bristenn? Fuck you for trying to turn our player-run events into an attempt to find policy violations after we bent over backwards to avoid interfering with yours, and fuck you for not calling them out on the moving to Sol lies…more than anyone else you know they are full of shit.
    Last edited by Dendum; 08-03-2025 at 09:43 PM.

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    VI. Fuck You Lylia - A minor aside for a minor person

    Ahh Lylia, the beloved leader to the giant white phallus in the wood society.
    Like a 60 year old downing hand fulls of Viagra to keep fucking over innocent people Lylia will let you know how important she was, once upon a time. She will use a lot of paragraphs to do it because the unimportant who never had anyone listen to them will always confuse extreme verbosity for importance.

    Lylia has, in my opinion, probably driven more people from this game than anyone I know. I have defended her in the past, and would probably do so in the future if the criteria was narrow and the audience aware, but there has never been someone with more gatekeeping tendencies than Lylia.

    On the plus side she managed to keep that gate all the way up until the whole damn wall fell down around here and she was left looking like a pikachu, because lets be honest Lylia you are never going to be anything in Solhaven but a sideshow and never anything in Icemule, the town I believe you referred to as a collection of red neck shit kickers, but an annoynace…but the difference is Icemule would let you come in and try which is more than I can say about you.

    Countless people have complained about you and you have managed to convince yourself that everyone else was wrong and you were right. You managed to convince yourself that your knowledge of comedy improv somehow translated into a good RP environment UNTIL someone asked you to “yes and” and then you turned on “hell no” real fucking quick.

    You preached IC/OOC separation for years until you decided to kick someone out of your retirement home for Anne Rice fans because they made an OOC post you didn’t like, you have been real quiet about IC/OOC separation since that day. You now are on some kick about objective reality needing to be established, I would actually agree with you if I didn’t feel like you would back out of that as soon as it didn’t work for you.

    Having seen the crap you spewed in side discords I personally find you a bit…..unsavory.

    That is all…I am going to move on to important people now…

    Speaking of important people…

    VII Fuck You Hand of Arkati
    All the previous player organizations were full of self importance and sucked, HOA is actually important and sucks all the more for it.

    The Gryphons may have Thandiwe, HOA has a full stable of GM’s.
    Lylia may drive people off, HOA reshapes the table.

    Divergence? Gone.
    Developer bandwidth? Focused on them.
    Rumors of GM firings and quiet removals? The timeline speaks for itself.


    When HOA lobbies it is a force to be reckoned with.

    I don’t know exactly what hold HOA has on the elder GM’s, though it is pretty obvious geography plays a good hand in the meta favoritism with some of the St. Louis natives just always getting a little bit more. I do know almost all of the current GM’s came out of HOA or Crux’s order of shadows. I do know HOA is effective, I can give them credit for that.

    This is the group that mastered Discord brigading before most people even knew what it was. They were the first to lobby GMs through private channels. The first to build a whisper network with real influence. And they learned early on that repetitive narratives take root and the GM’s can be manipulated. They NRA’d the money their members brought to the table and used it to attack GM’s who went off script.

    This is the group that got Premium shut down because people were talking and enjoying themselves and years later went and got off topic shut down for the same reason, a collection of assholes who are not happy until everything conforms to be about them or complies to their vision.

    I know they are a group of players, in a text based group, most likely to complain about the number of posts in a room.
    You want to find the players who are against any change in this game? HOA
    You want to find the assholes celebrating the CHATGPT, Microsoft Calendar version of RP we have now? HOA

    And let’s be honest. If we’re going to hold Wyrom accountable for his GMs, then we have to hold Maylan accountable for the HOA. She built it. She shaped it. She benefits from every bit of attention it draws. Every backchannel conversation, every Discord dogpile, every storyline warped to fit HOA’s tone and taste happened under her leadership. Everytime she swooped in screaming both sides while obviously promoting one…yea fuck her.

    I don’t particularly mind farmville, or safe spaces in the game world but I don’t think people should try to enforce a style on the ENTIRE world that runs counter to the history of the game. Every time there is a little bit of danger, HOA is there to complain, every time an event happens they didn’t hear about HOA is there to make sure it was properly catalogued and reported to them.
    HOA manages to bury any idea they don’t like in a mountain of performative concern and push what they think will get them more, I don’t even think they know what “more” is though. When everything is just the way HOA wants it and they have driven out everyone who dares talk about things they don’t want to talk about….will they have anything more than a reskinned HOA discord?

    HOA is outstanding at getting what they think they want, they are terrible at thinking through unintended consequences or figuring out what they actually want.
    Last edited by Dendum; 08-03-2025 at 09:47 PM.

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    VIII. Goodbye
    That’s it. I’m done.

    There are probably a few minor Machine Gun Kellys running around, Little Tevs simping in the dark who might be worth a mention, the insanity of all of us pretending Jaysehn and Kiki’s make believe fleets and merchant empires didn’t break things, Auchand and his inability to roll out fishing, the hilarity of assigning monetary value to a digital commodity primarily valued by people closer to retirement homes than their teens, but honestly those are lesser things in the grand scheme...except for how old everyone is...that is probably pretty significant.

    The game changed.

    You know it. I know it. Everyone still here knows it, but they’re either too invested to say it out loud or too tired to care anymore.
    I wish everyone the best going forward, I hope everyone finds a path that makes them happy.
    Last edited by Dendum; 08-03-2025 at 09:49 PM.

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    probably reserved

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    TLDR: Fuck you

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    So angry. Do you vote democrat?
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    Click the link above to see how much you owe the government.

    "Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."
    -Superracist, Joe Biden

    “If you don’t believe in free speech for people who you disagree with, and even hate for what they stand for, then you don’t believe in free speech.”
    -My favorite liberal

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    I escaped the "fuck you" list.

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