#winning

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So you're saying that in this country the poorest have it better than any other country. And this is something to be proud of? That's exactly what I'm saying. Giving our fellow Americans a better quality of life than just dying in the street alone. That's something to be proud of. I'm saying we need to do more. And I'm not saying we need to eliminate the possibility of someone rising to the top through hard work and innovation. Just that the baseline needs to come up.

There should be a cap on wealth that would only be raised if everyone in the country had a secure nutrition, housing, education, and healthcare. Once we all have that then individuals can earn as much as they want.

[Suppressed Poet]

Why are you so willing to defend the radical income inequality in this country?

This sums it up much better:

[Suppressed Poet]

So you're saying that in this country the poorest have it better than any other country. And this is something to be proud of? That's exactly what I'm saying. Giving our fellow Americans a better quality of life than just dying in the street alone. That's something to be proud of.

Sure it is something to be proud of. I guess we can agree there.

I'm saying we need to do more. And I'm not saying we need to eliminate the possibility of someone rising to the top through hard work and innovation. Just that the baseline needs to come up.

So together we acknowledge that the poor in America have it significantly better than the poor of nearly every other country on Earth. How much then does that baseline come up?

You also fail to acknowledge there are merit based reasons the poor are the poor and the rich are the rich. People are inherently unequal. Some people are smarter than others, or more disciplined, or more gifted. I can’t do what LeBron James can do with a basketball, and I don’t expect my income to be the same as his.

I propose what matters much more is measuring the quality of life for our middle 60% (the poor being the bottom 20% and the rich being the top 20%). I also value economic mobility and giving opportunity for Americans to achieve higher levels of income. If a rich person squanders his wealth and makes poor economic decisions said person will move down the ladder, while if a poor person gains valuable skills & makes good economic decisions they can move up.

There should be a cap on wealth that would only be raised if everyone in the country had a secure nutrition, housing, education, and healthcare. Once we all have that then individuals can earn as much as they want.

You haven’t thought this through. Ok, so say we put a cap on wealth for the top 1% and tax them at 90+%. You think they are going to just be like “oh ok, guess I need to pay that now.”? No. You have just discouraged those people from achieving more wealth. Most would take their money and leave, and then you just lost all the tax revenue from the people that pay the most. Even those that don’t leave, they have no further incentive to produce knowing that all or most of what they earn is going to be seized by the government.

[Tgo01]

Who is you guys?

And you playing dumb (well not “playing” in your case) probably also makes people want to ignore your dumb shit.

[Suppressed Poet]

Because that's stupid. We already have socialism in this country and I think we can make it better. Even for you Mr Sandy crotch.

Let’s just take Cuba for the sake of simplicity. Cuba has state-funded healthcare for all citizens, state-funded higher education for all citizens, food subsidies, and guaranteed basic income for all citizens.

Wonderful, isn’t it? Man those Cubans sure are living the good life!

Back there is just one thing that doesn’t quite make sense to me that I’m hoping you can help me with... If socialism and communism is so great, how come every year thousands of Cubans are risking their lives to seek asylum in America on little dinghy boats? I mean they got “free” healthcare, food, housing, higher education, and universal basic income over there. Do they not know how good they have it?

[Tgo01]

Is Back really pushing the “social programs exist therefore we are a socialist country!” Dumb shit?

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Sure it is something to be proud of. I guess we can agree there.



So together we acknowledge that the poor in America have it significantly better than the poor of nearly every other country on Earth. How much then does that baseline come up?

You also fail to acknowledge there are merit based reasons the poor are the poor and the rich are the rich. People are inherently unequal. Some people are smarter than others, or more disciplined, or more gifted. I can’t do what LeBron James can do with a basketball, and I don’t expect my income to be the same as his.

I propose what matters much more is measuring the quality of life for our middle 60% (the poor being the bottom 20% and the rich being the top 20%). I also value economic mobility and giving opportunity for Americans to achieve higher levels of income. If a rich person squanders his wealth and makes poor economic decisions said person will move down the ladder, while if a poor person gains valuable skills & makes good economic decisions they can move up.



You haven’t thought this through. Ok, so say we put a cap on wealth for the top 1% and tax them at 90+%. You think they are going to just be like “oh ok, guess I need to pay that now.”? No. You have just discouraged those people from achieving more wealth. Most would take their money and leave, and then you just lost all the tax revenue from the people that pay the most. Even those that don’t leave, they have no further incentive to produce knowing that all or most of what they earn is going to be seized by the government.

Nowhere have I said we should get rid of rewarding excellence. I don't think all basketball players should be paid the same no matter how good they are. But as a baseline every basketball player is a human being that deserves dignity, respect, and have their basic expenses covered just for participating in our society. That baseline needs to improve for everyone across the board. The reason it is set where it is right now is because the wealthy pay the politicians to make the laws that benefit the wealthy. That's no big secret. We all know that's how it works.

When we make changes to even things out if some rich motherfucker wants to live tax free in Iran or Buttfuckistan or wherever fine let them go. Fuck them if they want to hoard all the resources for themselves while everyone else busts their ass just to get by.

[Tgo01]

There was a pandemic for fuck sake. It took a lot of socialism to make sure society didn't collapse. I think we should all be grateful for that.

lol

So because the Democrats decided this pandemic was for sure the super serious pandemic, that means we had to make a few billionaires even richer and a handful of top companies even richer and the little guy and little companies get the shaft? Do you even listen to the dumb shit you say?

And we should THANK you fucking Democrats for making our lives hell for over a year because you were too afraid of a fucking virus you have since practically ignored since Biden wormed his way into the White House?

Gee, I can't possibly imagine why no one respects you or takes you seriously. It's a mystery!

[Suppressed Poet]

Nowhere have I said we should get rid of rewarding excellence. I don't think all basketball players should be paid the same no matter how good they are. But as a baseline every basketball player is a human being that deserves dignity, respect, and have their basic expenses covered just for participating in our society. That baseline needs to improve for everyone across the board. The reason it is set where it is right now is because the wealthy pay the politicians to make the laws that benefit the wealthy. That's no big secret. We all know that's how it works.

When we make changes to even things out if some rich motherfucker wants to live tax free in Iran or Buttfuckistan or wherever fine let them go. Fuck them if they want to hoard all the resources for themselves while everyone else busts their ass just to get by.

You have a bad habit of skipping over my questions / points and diverting to something else… Again, we agreed that the poorest Americans live better comparatively to the poorest of almost all other nations on Earth. That implies we do have a baseline. So how much better does that need to be improved at the expense of everyone else in America?

Plenty of other countries would gladly accept our billionaires, and as I stated you just lost all that tax revenue & jobs when they left. Now America is much poorer and everyone is worse off because of it. You didn’t fuck them, you fucked America. Now what? Oh next we got to raise everyone else’s taxes to make up for that loss. The cycle of communism always ends in death & starvation.

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You have a bad habit of skipping over my questions / points and diverting to something else… Again, we agreed that the poorest Americans live better comparatively to the poorest of almost all other nations on Earth. That implies we do have a baseline. So how much better does that need to be improved at the expense of everyone else in America?

Plenty of other countries would gladly accept our billionaires, and as I stated you just lost all that tax revenue & jobs when they left. Now America is much poorer and everyone is worse off because of it. You didn’t fuck them, you fucked America. Now what? Oh next we got to raise everyone else’s taxes to make up for that loss. The cycle of communism always ends in death & starvation.

And you have a bad habit of misstating my positions based on who you think I am without actually knowing me or actually reading my posts.

The baseline needs to come up to include health and education for everyone. And not at the expense of every American just the few at the top who've been rigging the system in their favor for decades. Just the ones who are hoarding everything for themselves, so much they couldn't even possibly spend it all in their lifetime, so much that they're building fucking rocket ships and sending themselves into space.

If the rich don't want to participate in this country and the way it works and the culture that it brings then they don't have to they can go somewhere else.

It's all hypothetical anyway. Nothing's going to change overnight. Nothing's going to be perfect. It's a process that we need to work through to make everything better for everyone.