My Training Plan (at level 13)

[drumpel]

If you’re doing evade build, don’t train armor and use robes.

Always train armor - helps with redux. I'd suggest, though, keeping in scale class. I run around in brig with my THW warrior, he's level 54 and does well so far. Just need to invest in some decently to heavily crit padded brig.

[Leff]

Always train armor - helps with redux. I'd suggest, though, keeping in scale class. I run around in brig with my THW warrior, he's level 54 and does well so far. Just need to invest in some decently to heavily crit padded brig.

I agree post cap, but if you’re 0x ing cmans for it, drop it.

[Woodchuck]

I went with the bastard sword because I liked how it could grip from one to two. But having a one-gripped bastard sword honestly isn't useful unless you have a shield. Does anyone have a counter-opinion on this? The RT for one-grip and two-grip on a bastard sword is the same for me: 4 seconds.

So if I'm going to use a bastard sword as an OHE, there would only be a point if I had as shield out too. Otherwise, why not just grip it as a 2 hander?

But alas, I have no shield training.

In any case, I made PF 2x, you guys convinced me on that one.

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 111 27
Edged Weapons......................| 114 28
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 114 28
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Dodging............................| 142 42
Survival...........................| 62 13
Perception.........................| 62 13
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 62 13

Training Points: 0 Phy 157 Mnt
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

the purpose of swapping the grips is so you can use both OHE and THW weapon skills, so for example, you thrash, and then swap to one-handed and then flurry since thrash is on cool down. It is pretty cool and effective and you don't need a shield for it.

[Guister]

If you’re doing evade build, don’t train armor and use robes.

Seriously? I'm a warrior.

[Guister]

I agree post cap, but if you’re 0x ing cmans for it, drop it.

Interesting thought.

I had thought to do Half Plate and Helm (equivalent to a full plate build), because well hell, I'm a warrior.

But doing anything less?

I don't know.

I can't see walking around capped in brigandine.

[drumpel]

Let's say at cap you're 3x dodge. This would be your DS, THW (no shield).

I don't know your stats or race, so I'll just guess what AGI and INT bonuses might be at capped:
Dodge Ranks = 303
Agility Bonus = 25
Intuition Bonus = 18
Armor = full plate (armor hindrance for full plate is .83)
Stance = Offensive (stance modifier for offensive is .75)

Calculations used:
Base Value = Dodging Ranks + (AGI Bonus) + trunc(INT Bonus / 4)
Evade (dodge) DS (Melee) = ((Base Value × Armor Hindrance × Shield Factor) - Shield Size Penalty)) × Stance Modifier

Your Evade (dodge) DS would be:

Base Value = 303 + 25 + trunc(18/4)
= 303 + 25 + 4
= 332

Evade DS = (332 x .83) x .75
= 206

You'd have 206 DS in offensive, with the above info.

If you changed to brig you get armor hindrance of .94 and your DS ends up being 234. You'd gain 28 DS if you wore brig over full plate.

Is that net gain of 28 DS beneficial enough for you to wear brig over full plate?

You also need to remember this is just for the dodge DS side of things. There are other factors that come into play when damage is dealt; such as action penalty, crit divisor, DF and so on that contributes to the end results of how much damage and what kind of wound (minor to death crit) you receive.

If you're a warrior, you're most likely going to take hits so wearing higher armor is ideal. Also, for all classes, the higher the ASG armor you can wear the better - in my opinion.

One last thing, if you're thinking about wearing metal breastplate and just a helm with it for full plate equivalent coverage, your arms, legs and neck (unless you're wearing a greathelm or a helm + an aventail) will be considered only protected by the next lower tier armor which would be chain. If you're going to give yourself full plate equivalent coverage, just wear actual full plate. Also, going from metal breastplate to actual full plate armor gives you an extra 3 for your CvA (magical breastplate being -18 and magical full plate being -21). 3 free extra points to defend from CS based attacks can be crucial sometimes.

If you're playing the game from a mechanical side of things, wear full plate. If you're playing the game strictly as a roleplaying side of things, do whatever the hell you want because after all, it is just a game.

[Guister]

Let's say at cap you're 3x dodge. This would be your DS, THW (no shield).

I don't know your stats or race, so I'll just guess what AGI and INT bonuses might be at capped:
Dodge Ranks = 303
Agility Bonus = 25
Intuition Bonus = 18
Armor = full plate (armor hindrance for full plate is .83)
Stance = Offensive (stance modifier for offensive is .75)

Calculations used:
Base Value = Dodging Ranks + (AGI Bonus) + trunc(INT Bonus / 4)
Evade (dodge) DS (Melee) = ((Base Value × Armor Hindrance × Shield Factor) - Shield Size Penalty)) × Stance Modifier

Your Evade (dodge) DS would be:

Base Value = 303 + 25 + trunc(18/4)
= 303 + 25 + 4
= 332

Evade DS = (332 x .83) x .75
= 206

You'd have 206 DS in offensive, with the above info.

If you changed to brig you get armor hindrance of .94 and your DS ends up being 234. You'd gain 28 DS if you wore brig over full plate.

Is that net gain of 28 DS beneficial enough for you to wear brig over full plate?

You also need to remember this is just for the dodge DS side of things. There are other factors that come into play when damage is dealt; such as action penalty, crit divisor, DF and so on that contributes to the end results of how much damage and what kind of wound (minor to death crit) you receive.

If you're a warrior, you're most likely going to take hits so wearing higher armor is ideal. Also, for all classes, the higher the ASG armor you can wear the better - in my opinion.

One last thing, if you're thinking about wearing metal breastplate and just a helm with it for full plate equivalent coverage, your arms, legs and neck (unless you're wearing a greathelm or a helm + an aventail) will be considered only protected by the next lower tier armor which would be chain. If you're going to give yourself full plate equivalent coverage, just wear actual full plate. Also, going from metal breastplate to actual full plate armor gives you an extra 3 for your CvA (magical breastplate being -18 and magical full plate being -21). 3 free extra points to defend from CS based attacks can be crucial sometimes.

If you're playing the game from a mechanical side of things, wear full plate. If you're playing the game strictly as a roleplaying side of things, do whatever the hell you want because after all, it is just a game.

Nice calculations.

I would say that I will do Brig, because of the +15% DS bonus with specialization or something.

Plus I have some nice brig armor.

The plate specialization bonus is utter crap.

[Leff]

Seriously? I'm a warrior.

Yes. I run a capped warrior ucs/shield build in robes. You don’t have to though, just trying to give you some ideas.

[Guister]

Yes. I run a capped warrior ucs/shield build in robes. You don’t have to though, just trying to give you some ideas.

Good to know. I think I will be using brig.

I like the bonuses for brig. But robes sounds great.

Can't wait to get back into the game (after a break).

[Guister]

With some random enhancives:

(at level 18), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 4 0
Armor Use..........................| 111 27
Combat Maneuvers...................| 117 29
Blunt Weapons......................| 3 0
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 149 49
Ranged Weapons.....................| 2 0
Brawling...........................| 1 0
Physical Fitness...................| 140 40
Dodging............................| 160 60
Survival...........................| 90 20
Stalking and Hiding................| 2 0
Perception.........................| 95 21
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 90 20