Tyranny of the ATF

[Solkern]

Oh ok. So if Person A just gives Person B a gun after Person B made a voluntary donation, that's ok then because it's technically not a sale. Right?


So you don't get the word "restrict" either.



How so, when you keep saying they're not infringing on anything?

What specifically are they doing that you consider "too much" that also isn't them infringing on anything?

Why should a store require a background check and all these other things, but a private citizen shouldn’t?

[Suppressed Poet]

Can I just go to a store and buy a gun? I can. This makes the process for buying a gun from a private citizen have more steps, but it doesn’t stop or infringe on your right to own or buy a gun, as like I said, I can simply go to a store and buy one.
Oh no! But I want to buy from this guy, and it’s more difficult! Is that your argument?

More steps = infringement

Again, if I were to say you need to register and pay a tax to publish something you would not be cool with that. You can’t tax a natural God-given right. The first amendment says nothing about publishing, and yet it still would not be ok.

[Solkern]

More steps = infringement

Again, if I were to say you need to register and pay a tax to publish something you would not be cool with that. You can’t tax a natural God-given right. The first amendment says nothing about publishing, and yet it still would not be ok.

As a person that is buying a gun, how are these steps any more infringing, then the steps buying from a store?

[Suppressed Poet]

As a person that is buying a gun, how are these steps any more infringing, then the steps buying from a store?

Now you’re talking.

Let’s put that to the Bruen test.

[Methais]

Why should a store require a background check and all these other things, but a private citizen shouldn’t?

gg answering a question with a question while addressing none of the actual questions.

Let's try again.

So if Person A just gives Person B a gun after Person B made a voluntary donation, that's ok then because it's technically not a sale. Right?

While I think the ATF is going overboard and it’s too much, but it does not infringe or stop a person who has a right to own a gun, from purchasing or own a gun at all.

How so, when you keep saying they're not infringing on anything?

What specifically are they doing that you consider "too much" that also isn't them infringing on anything?

[Solkern]

Now you’re talking.

Let’s put that to the Bruen test.

Stores required checks, private citizens didn’t. Shouldn’t the standard be the same, no matter where you buy a gun from?
Pretty sure when buying a car, it has the same steps whether buying from a deal ship or from a private citizen.

[Solkern]

gg answering a question with a question while addressing none of the actual questions.

Let's try again.

So if Person A just gives Person B a gun after Person B made a voluntary donation, that's ok then because it's technically not a sale. Right?



How so, when you keep saying they're not infringing on anything?

What specifically are they doing that you consider "too much" that also isn't them infringing on anything?

So tell me, why should a store require checks, but a private citizen shouldn’t? You are complaining about infringing on rights, when we are just making the checks required more or less the same whether it’s from a store or a private citizen.

[Solkern]

Person A with mental problems: I can’t buy a gun from a store, since I can’t pass the checks, no worries! I can just get it it at Armslist and not have to worry about anything!

ATF: we want to stop this loophole from happening by requiring private citizens who sell guns to register and get background checks of buyers.

Methais: That’s an infringement!!!

Person A: Shoots up a school

Methais: We need more checks for mental illness, they shouldn’t be buying guns!

Lol? Is that how it’s going to go?

To answer you previous question. I think private sellers should be required to get a background check or do a background check of someone buying a gun, and that’s it.

[~Rocktar~]

Can you show me anywhere in the second amendment where it talks about purchasing guns? It doesn’t.



Then, guess what? We need to release all the drug dealers from prison, the police violated the 5th amendment. Those drugs were private property.

It’s not as black and white as you want it to be.

No one is restricting or banning the sale of guns, are they? Can you show me where it’s being restricted or banned? Because these changes don’t stop you from buying or owning a gun at all. All they do is make sure that as a private citizen selling a gun, the person you are selling it to, has the right to own one.

While I think the ATF is going overboard and it’s too much, but it does not infringe or stop a person who has a right to own a gun, from purchasing or own a gun at all.

There is no right to own drugs. Just like there is no right to drive on the road, attack another person or murder babies. There is a right to own arms. And yes, in the question of rights, it is black and white. And yes, I believe it should be the same for private individuals and stores, no checks. Let people buy what they want, when they want, with whatever accessories they want. Short of explosives, let people have automatic weapons, we can trace bullets and ballistics so you are responsible for every bullet you fire. Just like now.

Then the idiot argument is pit forward about kids, if you cared about kids, you would no support abortion or the war in Ukraine and you would be all for fossil fuels since they save innumerable lives every day. Next comes the whole "safety" thing but when it's posited to put guards in schools and so on, the Left and you ARE Leftist, cries about not wanting schools to look like prisons. Then there is the whole "mass shooting" issue when some of the largest murders in our history are carried out with bombs, planes and vehicles but you don't want to ban trucks or planes. It's a specious argument and you know it.

Again, how much of my rights have to be sacrificed to ineffectively assuage your feelings?

[Suppressed Poet]

Did you know that a church doesn’t have to fill out any forms or register as 501C3 entity to be considered nonprofit & tax exempt by the IRS? All other not for profit companies must register as a 501C3. Contemplate this and the reason why as it relates to this topic.