Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[Seran]

The way I see it, it’s a mental disorder that likely can’t be cured. As someone with ADHD, I can sympathize. Gay people can’t help who they are and being gay isn’t immoral.

Let them enter marriage contracts, so long as any church or business can deny them wedding services on the grounds of religious principles. Let them adopt children, so long as any adoption agency can choose to discriminate who they place a child with. Let them be proud of who they are & be true to themselves, so long as they don’t push sexually inappropriate vulgar displays & behavior on children. Let them identify as whatever gender they choose, so long as everyone else isn’t compelled by law to address them by their preferred pronouns.

These same standards also apply to straight people.

There's no shortage of children desperate for loving, supporting, and safe homes for children, your last sentence highlights the reality of it best of all.

[Seran]

The NATO reassuring the world on it's continued security assistance in Ukraine, reprimand of Russian aggression and occupation, and united call for China to stop it's supply of the illegal aggressors was spectacular move. Sweden is also one step closer to joining as Turkey got what it wanted (money) to end it's opposition. Seriously glad Ukraine's membership remains conditional, the country only had a short period of stability under Zelensky before war began and there's no telling it's path after the war ends and inevitably Zelensky is replaced once his term limit is reached.

NATO membership is not about the next couple years, it's about the next handful of decades. With it's rules about unanimous commitments to add and remove member countries, all too often countries like Hungary and Turkey have gotten leaders whose ideas and beliefs are antithetical to the NATO mission.

"Ukraine’s future is in NATO," alliance members reaffirm in joint declaration at summit

NATO allies on Tuesday reaffirmed their support for Ukraine’s push for membership of the alliance, according to a final declaration issued by the 31-member group at a summit in Lithuania.

“Ukraine’s future is in NATO,” it said.
"We will be in a position to extend an invitation to Ukraine to join the alliance when allies agree and conditions are met," it added.
NATO allies also reiterated their condemnation “in the strongest terms (of) Russia’s blatant violations of international law, the Charter of the United Nations, and OSCE commitments and principles.”

“We do not and will never recognise Russia’s illegal and illegitimate annexations, including Crimea,” the statement said.
“There can be no impunity for Russian war crimes and other atrocities, such as attacks against civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure that deprives millions of Ukrainians of basic human services,” according to the declaration.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news...-23/index.html

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh 100% man... I didn't mean for my observations to come across as anything but... I just found the concept of "normal" interesting.

I'm all for good people adopting kids - doesn't bother me either way, so long as the kids are cared for properly.

The concept of "normal" I guess I'm referring to is - If a person has a "desire" to "have children"... and yet their personal desires/choices in a "mating partner" doesn't allow for the conception of a "child"... Then is such behavior really normal? Or abnormal?

Up for discussion of course... Just thought was an interesting question.

I got you man. What is normal often changes, but I think the question becomes is being gay natural? On one hand, homosexuality is as old as humanity itself & perhaps older since it can be observed with some other animal species. On the other hand, as you pointed out, since they can’t breed offspring that defies nature. There is still a lot we don’t know about the subject, but there is a good bit of evidence (like younger generations have more people increasingly identifying as gay) to suggest that it’s a learned behavior. My non-scientific opinion is that a smaller number of gay people are simply born that way, while for a greater number of people they become homos through life events.

[Suppressed Poet]

There's no shortage of children desperate for loving, supporting, and safe homes for children, your last sentence highlights the reality of it best of all.

[Methais]

...while for a greater number of people they become homos through life events.

They're not homos, they're heterosexually challenged, you bigot.

[Realk]

Just fwiw, I know lots of gay folks that have natural born children from earlier in life. Then decided they were gay and chose a different mate.

Granted that has nothing to do with the younger generation and their identifying selves.

[Suppressed Poet]

Just fwiw, I know lots of gay folks that have natural born children from earlier in life. Then decided they were gay and chose a different mate.

Granted that has nothing to do with the younger generation and their identifying selves.

It’s better for themselves and everyone else they figure that out before then. I’ve got a neighbor that I suspect is a closet fag. That must be a terrible way to live.

[Realk]

I guess I was just focusing on your point about the uptick in the younger generation identifying more, now that the stigma is being removed from it some perhaps people do not feel required for a fake life as much as say 1970.

[Suppressed Poet]

I guess I was just focusing on your point about the uptick in the younger generation identifying more, now that the stigma is being removed from it some perhaps people do not feel required for a fake life as much as say 1970.

Oh for sure. Yeah I’m sure that has something to do with it, but it doesn’t fully explain the exponential increase. Gen Z represents 20% of all identified gays according to some studies. Seems to me like some of it is learned behavior, though I admit that is just my opinion and pure speculation. Social science is often not 100% scientific.

[Seran]

Oh for sure. Yeah I’m sure that has something to do with it, but it doesn’t fully explain the exponential increase. Gen Z represents 20% of all identified gays according to some studies. Seems to me like some of it is learned behavior, though I admit that is just my opinion and pure speculation. Social science is often not 100% scientific.

Homosexuality isn't a learned behavior, that's pure speculation on your part which has been scientifically studied to death and disproven.

As Realk pointed out, younger generations have lost the stigma of what being gay means and they're children of a generation that decreasingly doesn't have the stigma either. Procreation is a biological necessity to any species, but for a fully sentient and sapient species like ours, it is also a choice.