Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

[Seran]

I forgot for a moment I am conversing with someone incapable of understanding a supply & demand curve. Builders haven’t been throttling back supply for higher profits. New home construction has dropped considerably since the Great Recession & never really made a recovery. Covid, inflation, and high interest rates has really exacerbated the problem further. Builders would love to construct more homes, even if that means lower profit margins, for more market share and additional net revenue but face substantial challenges. I’m not even suggesting we do in fact need to incentivize builders as the market will find a way, but if you want government action to make a difference that would be where I’d point towards.

There can be all sorts of reasons for the vacancy rate. Of course you would have a problem with people owning vacation homes being an authoritarian communist and all… How about you start first with Bernie Sanders, the Clintons, the Biden family, etc. about giving up their vacation homes? Or you can just stop being a playa hater…

You advocated government intervention initially, then you backtracked that government intervention would be authoritarianism a second later, which is it? Your much vaunted supply and demand is merely a theory that as long as there is demand, artificially manipulating supply will drive up profit margins. I'm not entirely sure why you think there's anything stopping the few major national builders from going whole hog, but building supplies are /not/ in short supply and the price index has fallen by almost 60 points. Builders sell homes at cost+ and a margin, so I don't know why you think they have any problem selling homes if the build them, as we both agree on, there is plenty of demand that they're bought once actually constructed.

Freeing up the massive supply of vacant homes has been taken up by an increasing number of states which are levying larger and larger taxes on under utilized or non utilized properties, which is a necessary solution.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You advocated government intervention initially, then you backtracked that government intervention would be authoritarianism a second later, which is it? Your much vaunted supply and demand is merely a theory that as long as there is demand, artificially manipulating supply will drive up profit margins. I'm not entirely sure why you think there's anything stopping the few major national builders from going whole hog, but building supplies are /not/ in short supply and the price index has fallen by almost 60 points. Builders sell homes at cost+ and a margin, so I don't know why you think they have any problem selling homes if the build them, as we both agree on, there is plenty of demand that they're bought once actually constructed.

Freeing up the massive supply of vacant homes has been taken up by an increasing number of states which are levying larger and larger taxes on under utilized or non utilized properties, which is a necessary solution.

Guess who has a terrible score and will benefit from this illegal seizure and reallocating of assets? Yes it's your Nazi pedophile Seran.

[Suppressed Poet]

You advocated government intervention initially, then you backtracked that government intervention would be authoritarianism a second later, which is it? Your much vaunted supply and demand is merely a theory that as long as there is demand, artificially manipulating supply will drive up profit margins. I'm not entirely sure why you think there's anything stopping the few major national builders from going whole hog, but building supplies are /not/ in short supply and the price index has fallen by almost 60 points. Builders sell homes at cost+ and a margin, so I don't know why you think they have any problem selling homes if the build them, as we both agree on, there is plenty of demand that they're bought once actually constructed.

Freeing up the massive supply of vacant homes has been taken up by an increasing number of states which are levying larger and larger taxes on under utilized or non utilized properties, which is a necessary solution.

Go back and read what I wrote. I said first that this action of making lending more affordable for people with subpar credit does nothing to address the root cause of affordable housing. Then I said that if you wanted government intervention that actions should be pointed towards incentivizing builders to construct more houses, though I’m not advocating that is totally necessary.

Supply and demand is a mathematical law, not a theory. You sound like one of those flat earthers bro. Embrace the science.

Sounds like you got it all figured out authoritarian socialist…raise taxes on vacated homes. While you are at it why don’t you go to all the farms in America, count all the chickens, and give the farmers quotas for how many eggs they need to lay?

[Seran]

Go back and read what I wrote. I said first that this action of making lending more affordable for people with subpar credit does nothing to address the root cause of affordable housing. Then I said that if you wanted government intervention that actions should be pointed towards incentivizing builders to construct more houses, though I’m not advocating that is totally necessary.

Supply and demand is a mathematical law, not a theory. You sound like one of those flat earthers bro. Embrace the science.

Sounds like you got it all figured out authoritarian socialist…raise taxes on vacated homes. While you are at it why don’t you go to all the farms in America, count all the chickens, and give the farmers quotas for how many eggs they need to lay?

Why yes, it is a mathematic theory, one that's cried over everytime a monopoly gets broken up or a business is charged with anticompetitive practices for illegal actions. Maybe fifty years ago businesses acted fairly, before they gobbled up all of their competition and used their primary market power to choke back supply to increase profits. But that is exactly why the government investigates and charges some. Supply and demand is now synonymous with Conquer and Manipulate. The only time we see major price swings is when there is an investigation or some competitor tries to join a market, which they're successful at until they're bought out.

[Methais]

Go back and read what I wrote. I said first that this action of making lending more affordable for people with subpar credit does nothing to address the root cause of affordable housing. Then I said that if you wanted government intervention that actions should be pointed towards incentivizing builders to construct more houses, though I’m not advocating that is totally necessary.

Supply and demand is a mathematical law, not a theory. You sound like one of those flat earthers bro. Embrace the science.

Sounds like you got it all figured out authoritarian socialist…raise taxes on vacated homes. While you are at it why don’t you go to all the farms in America, count all the chickens, and give the farmers quotas for how many eggs they need to lay?

Like most things that don't involve free handouts, Seran can't understand any of that. It's best to instead use that time to make fun of how stupid he is as a source of entertainment.

[Suppressed Poet]

Why yes, it is a mathematic theory, one that's cried over everytime a monopoly gets broken up or a business is charged with anticompetitive practices for illegal actions. Maybe fifty years ago businesses acted fairly, before they gobbled up all of their competition and used their primary market power to choke back supply to increase profits. But that is exactly why the government investigates and charges some. Supply and demand is now synonymous with Conquer and Manipulate. The only time we see major price swings is when there is an investigation or some competitor tries to join a market, which they're successful at until they're bought out.

Wow…that is really interesting Seran. It’s almost as if you share the same fringe economic theories (proven wrong by history) written in Karl Marx’s Das Kapital & the shrinking markets theory which motivated the Nationalist Socialist party to make a war of aggressive expansion.

[Suppressed Poet]

Like most things that don't involve free handouts, Seran can't understand any of that. It's best to instead use that time to make fun of how stupid he is as a source of entertainment.

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[Seran]

Wow…that is really interesting Seran. It’s almost as if you share the same fringe economic theories (proven wrong by history) written in Karl Marx’s Das Kapital & the shrinking markets theory which motivated the Nationalist Socialist party to make a war of aggressive expansion.

I know how en vogue it is to label any reasonable enforcement of anticompetitive acts under existing Federal or State law as socialist, but your point of view is pretty skewed. The founders of our Constitution certainly had words to say about a Government controlled by the elite for the propagation of the few under the subjugation of the many.

Let me now ask what circumstance there is in the constitution of the House of Representatives that violates the principles of republican government, or favors the elevation of the few on the ruins of the many? Let me ask whether every circumstance is not, on the contrary, strictly conformable to these principles, and scrupulously impartial to the rights and pretensions of every class and description of citizens? Who are to be the electors of the federal representatives? Not the rich, more than the poor; not the learned, more than the ignorant; not the haughty heirs of distinguished names, more than the humble sons of obscurity and unpropitious fortune. The electors are to be the great body of the people of the United States. They are to be the same who exercise the right in every State of electing the corresponding branch of the legislature of the State. Who are to be the objects of popular choice? Every citizen whose merit may recommend him to the esteem and confidence of his country. No qualification of wealth, of birth, of religious faith, or of civil profession is permitted to fetter the judgement or disappoint the inclination of the people.

James Madison - Federalist No 57

Despite the views of the Founders, you would promote the continue disenfranchisement of the 99% of the country who has been made to serve the 1% of the country controlling a disproportionate share of its wealth. You do do under the label of "socialism" as if enforcing the ideals of our Constitution and the derived laws underneath it are somehow shameful.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/anger-ove...120000500.html

"Anger over WA assault weapon ban isn’t just about gun rights — it’s about selfishness | Opinion"

"In light of the tragedies we’ve seen time and time again, is there anything radical about Washington’s ban on the sale of assault weapons? Of course not.
There’s just a litmus test: Either you believe your perceived individual freedoms outweigh the overall safety of society and our children, or you don’t. It’s that simple."

Slowly but surely.... socialism and servitude....

The above is all you need to know, that those pushing such ideas... as our media and the Left are... will only lead to the suffering and death of millions....

Two World Wars and 10s of millions dead in only the past 150 years... and the morons still don't get it.

Individual rights, and protecting them, are the only thing stopping such massacres to occur... but the uneducated, ignorant, gullible majority in the US somehow are fooled into thinking it's not.

I feel bad for the upcoming 2 generations... they think they know... but all they're doing is repeating history... what the past 4 generations (1900-1990) fought to stop... now their children will get to do it all over again. The masses, so easily played and kept stupid by those in power.

They come for your enemies first, but... eventually they'll come for you too.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I love it when the argument is "made" by stating some ridiculous thing as if there is not middle ground.

Like Seran is clearly a pedophile Nazi or he's just a pedophile bigot. There can be nothing else.