14 Mass Shootings in the USA Over Memorial Day Weekend

[Tgo01]

What specifically are you basing this on?

His feelings. We could have a 3 month waiting period and people would still be saying "3 months isn't long enough! If only we had a 6 month waiting period then this never would have happened!!!"

[Methais]

It might be worth expanding on that last post.

You make the assumption more gun laws would reduce gun deaths. I disagree with this, but admit it is difficult to empirically test (More on this later). There are problems in the possible observational studies that use different countries, look between different regions of the US, or within the same region at different time points. I find some of the comparisons more compelling than others, but they also tend to support my general views so I am likely being effected at least in part by my own bias. Never the less, because you are assuming this premise without a constant theory that deals with the counter examples, you introduce flaws into your arguments.

You also falsely assume people not agreeing with your proposed changes are pro-current laws. People may be in support of different laws, the removal of current laws, or changes to those laws. Gun laws are changing all the time, they are just generally going in the direction you do not support. Moreover, murder and violent crime rates have been decreasing over the last 20 years which coincided with the massive liberalization of firearms laws in the US. This is the opposite of what your logic would predict. Of course there are other factors besides gun laws in the murder rate, but that only points towards the absurdity of accusing those who don't agree with your proposed laws as being against the goal. I am quite sure I have heard many a republican opine in the last week about the need for other solutions they consider to be more appropriate to the problem.

You also draw a false equivalence that the republican position is an endorsement of gun deaths. This is no different than someone arguing that opposing a 5mph speed limit and stopping for 30 seconds at every stop light is endorsing 50,000 car deaths per year. While such laws would reduce the number of people killed by cars, people can oppose those laws for reasons totally unrelated to the number of car related fatalities.

While I support your desire to reduce these horrible incidents, you should understand that making fallacious arguments and accusing half the people of being pro-child murder is not going to sway very many people to your side, you lose out on both the logical and the emotional reactions that way.

In before Seran calls you a Tucker Carlson cocksucking white supremacist who wants all school kids to be murdered.

[Seran]

I fully recognize that people are often mislead by people who take objective facts, then twist them to say the exact opposite and this forum is the quantifiable heart of dishonest conservatism. But the side I'm arguing is backed up by dead bodies riddled with bullet holes that in many cases could be avoided by even reasonable gun control. The side the Right is arguing against is that dead children murdered by legally bought semi automatic rifles can only be cured by more people having AR-15s, a faulty argument which is made all the more audacious by the number of countries with very few gun deaths as they outright ban the private ownership of firearms except under very exacting, well regulated circumstances.

The Right, through the NRA and Conservative Media is feeding the seditious lie that disarmament is purely a mechanism to destroy all individual freedoms and championing armament is the only means of fighting back. Look at the number of manifestos put there with people who use guns as a way of getting n what they want or making themselves a martyr so they can be "heard". Reasonable gun laws are the way forward, but you can't negotiate with people whose only compromise is abolishing all gun laws.

The irony of this is the number of idiot trolls who simply don't care about facts, don't digest anything that's provided as reasoning and can't stop rubbing cheeto dust on their cheeks like their savior.

[Methais]

Also, when police show up to a shooting and they’re outgunned because the shooter has an AR15 and cops only have pistols or shotguns, that’s an issue. The Uvalde cops were terrified. Prime reason to ban AR15’s.

That's retarded Seran logic if you really believe that 1 dude with an AR-15 outgears an entire police department. But you're probably just arguing in bad faith. That would at least be the less retarded option.


If you had an AR-15 and you walked into a shooting range where everyone was armed only with glocks, do you really believe you would wipe out everybody there and you'd come out unscathed?

The Uvalde cops were terrified.

Not too terrified to run inside to go get their own kids out before running back outside to stop anyone else from going in though, right? Why aren't more people talking about this massive police malice/incompetence? It couldn't be that they're intentionally ignoring it so that they can push more ineffective gun control or anything...

Btw here's that same police department bragging about how geared they are:



And here they are again talking about doing drills to familiarize themselves with the layouts of school and all that. You know, in case something like a school shooting happens:




I know you're not dumb like Seran, so you should stop using Seran logic.

[Methais]

How the left thinks AR-15s hit:

[Methais]

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

But if it didn't, would you be willing to shut the fuck up about gun control?

[Seran]

Case in point: MethaisBOT

[Methais]

Worthless post of one guys opinion, fixed with nothing but biased cherry picked information from RAND the wargaming institute. Go away pleb.

Seran's lack of self awareness is on full display again.

What is abstinence and how are republicans trying to block it though?

[Methais]

The Uvalde shooter bought his guns that week. The Tulsa shooter bought his gun that same day. How about we start with that? Getting a gun should be harder than buying a house, in terms of the process.

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

See? Don't be so lazy. Or perhaps you endorse mass murder like most Republicans?

I have some good news for you. Buying an assault rifle already is harder than buying a house.

The problem here though will be due to your lack of understanding of what an assault rifle is.

[Methais]

I fully recognize that people are often mislead by people who take objective facts, then twist them to say the exact opposite and this forum is the quantifiable heart of dishonest Seranism.

This is correct.