Terrorists break into US Capitol Building

[Shaps]

Alright, let's talk about the laws under which we are engaging.

In the US Code we have laws against assault with the following penalties (18 USC 113):
-assault with intent to murder, up to 20 years
-assault with intent to commit a non-murder felony, up to 10 years
-assault resulting in serious bodily injury to a partner or someone younger than 17, up to 5 years
-assault without those or other specified* intents or results, up to 1 year

We also have laws against murder, with the following penalties (18 USC 1111):
-murder in the second degree, up to life
-murder in the first degree, up to death

We agree these are all violence.
We agree these are all not good.
While we may disagree on any particular penalty here, surely we agree that different penalties are appropriate for these different violences, right?

Okay. Now look again - intent, to a. We have an extremely detailed and well-settled hierarchy that often depends on to whom the violence is done, why the person is doing the violence. This has been true long before Donald J. Trump or any of us was born, it'll be true long after we're dead. We have also since the very beginning of our country decided that violence against the government is especially heinous - it's literally the only crime defined in the Constitution! This isn't some post facto justification, these are the clear rules we've all been perfectly happy to adhere to our whole lives. Which brings me back to my asterisk:

*18 USC 111 specifies that if there is an assault that against a normal citizen like you or me would only carry a penalty up to 1 year, but is instead an assault against a member of the government, the penalty goes up to 8 years. If the assault against a normal citizen like you or me would only carry a penalty up to 10 years, against a member of the government the penalty goes up to 20 years.

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But maybe you don't agree with any of that.
Maybe you think we should Rubicon III it and any act of violence should carry the same penalty.
And I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't believe.
All I'm telling you is that the definition of hypocrite isn't someone not believing what you believe.

And almost all Americans and absolutely all of our law don't believe as you propose.
They can completely coherently have one response to BLM and another to insurrection.
Because they wrote all the rules down long before any of this happened, and that's what the rules unambiguously say.

Use the laws when convenient, ignore them when they are not. Our politicians do it very well.

Edit: Also I'm speaking more from the perspective of.. I would never initiate such violence, but if it were attempted on myself.. then I'm okay meeting violence with violence to defend myself. Or if people are committing violent acts against an innocent, I'm fine with violence as a deterrent also. The thing I hate is when people create rationales for certain types of violence, then say "wait you can't commit violence back"!

[Latrinsorm]

I think we should go the other way with it. Require all house members to be proficient with a firearm, have a CCP, and carry on the floor of the House.

I wouldn't trust most House members to operate a pocket calculator, let alone a firearm.

[Latrinsorm]

Use the laws when convenient, ignore them when they are not. Our politicians do it very well.

Given that the law explicitly says that violence against politicians is worse than violence against normal citizens, it would seem it is you who are ignoring laws when convenient.

Oh well. I tried.

[Shaps]

Given that the law explicitly says that violence against politicians is worse than violence against normal citizens, it would seem it is you who are ignoring laws when convenient.

Oh well. I tried.

No, I just don't have any compunctions about titles. I agree to adhere to the laws of the land. If those laws are being broken by those in power, then they abdicate the afforded title and position they hold. They're citizens, just like we are. Not above us. I feel that way on many issues and the way politicians create laws which they exempt themselves from.

[Bhaalizmo]

So when some lunatic who managed to get elected to congress starts the firefight they can all have a shoot out? You know the story of how Caesar died?

Capitol police, yes. Everyone else? No way.

I wouldn't trust most House members to operate a pocket calculator, let alone a firearm.

At least if capitol police is compromised, and if every other security force involved is told to stand down, congresspersons would be able to defend themselves with something more than ball-point pens.

[Methais]

There is a kernal of truth to this that continues to metastasize into libel.

Years ago (circa 2007 or 2008) I told PB he is a negligent parent and his daughters would wind up with daddy issues because of it. He got super triggered and has been obsessed with me since then.

I stopped posting on the PC and forgot PB existed.

I returned the the PC and PB continued to be obsessed with me.

I knew his trigger so decided to see if my prediction was correct. I knew his name (which I've never disclosed to anyone, despite claims that I have "dox'd" him) and easily found his oldest daughter's public facebook profile. She was a college student (not a minor) and appeared to be well adjusted.

Unable to claim I was right, I did the next best thing and congratulated him on having a well-adjusted daughter despite his negligent parenting. He got triggered again and has led this weird crusade to get the gang of miscreants to allege I am at best a stalker and at worst a child molester.

With the wisdom of age, I've decided to just block PB and have one less unredeemable asshole in my life. It's imperfect since reputation comments are not blocked, but it's good enough for now.

On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the creepiest, how creeped out by you do you think PB's daughter would be if she knew about all that?

[Methais]

I'm not surprised you would side with him.

You pretend to take the high road, but when it comes down to it.. as long as they agree with you politically, you let their bad behavior slide.

Case in point: Androidpk. You flip flopped on him as soon as he changed from alt-right to alt-left.

You're so easy to manipulate... because when it comes down to it, you have no moral compass.. you just have the liberal mentality of politics above all else.

To be fair, she needed someone to stress test her industrial sized cactus dildo collection on, and pk needed a couch to crash on.

[Methais]

One of the benefits of having a political ideology that's based on paranoia ("everyone who isn't us is out to get us!"), is it lets you justify anything.

I'm too lazy to do it, mainly because you're an amoeba, but perhaps someone else will dig up and repost your plethora of "I'm so scared" posts that you'd barf out anytime Trump took a dump, going all the way back to right after he beat Hillary in 2016 when you said, "I've never been more scared politically in my life."

gg accidentally showing your cards, retard.

[BriarFox]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01...res-are-opened

It just keeps getting more ridiculous. Apparently there’s strong evidence that Republican congressmen helped the insurrectionists in advance.

[Alfster]

Well I mean, the activities at the Capitol would be what I'd expect and in much larger numbers if an election was actually stolen.

So these people believe, truly believe it was stolen, even tho there's no evidence. Wtf do you do with that kind of stupidity?