My goodbye forever rant

[AnOrdim]

How much was discussed in outside channels that led to the conversation starting this way:

Mazreth asks, "Though I suppose you already know?"
You nod understandingly.
You say, "I have a suspicious."
You say, "Err."
Mazreth says, "If not we can go over it."
You say, "Suspicion."
You say, "I would very much like to go over it."
Mazreth says, "Sure."
You say, "However."
You say, "I know your time is valuable."
Mazreth says, "So you are here to be issued an official warning for Game Mechanics Abuse bsed upon exploitation of an enchanting bug."
Mazreth says, "That's as sussinct as I can make it."
You say, "Okay."
You say, "I understand and accept the punishment."

It really sounds like the warned players were given advanced notice that they were going to be "punished". Of course, if they knew what they were doing was wrong they knew it could catch up to them sooner or later.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Here is my log

Mazreth says, "Hey, we think you are abusing a bug, and unless you tell me you are not abusing a bug, you are guilty."
You say, "LOL WUT?"
Mazreth says, "This log is factual evidence, not editable by anyone, so proof of your guilt or innocence. You better tell me if you are guilty or not."
You say, "Oh, I'm innocent."
Mazreth says, "Oh, fantastico. I'm awarding you an RPA and a get out of jail free card, cause you will post this log to the gsplayers corner and we all know logs there are fact! I'm so happy you responded, otherwise it's clear you were guilty."

[Mobius1]

Well there you go. You are correct, it's so much easier when you assume guilt with no facts at all.

Guilty of what? No accusation of wrongdoing was made. This is not even close to being a similar situation.

In this case, they were accused of wrongdoing, and there was evidence claimed by Simu. It's also not in Simu's best interest to give warnings to these people, if the accusations were false. The fact that there is no denial that the accusations are false, is plenty good evidence to me.

At this point I question why you are even putting up a defense at all? Those who knowingly took advantage of the bug should be glad they got off with a warning. I'd give kudos to them had they just admitted they did it, learned from the experience, and moved on. Trying to lawyer out of it isn't going to accomplish much when this isn't even a court of law.

I know I've been guilty of breaking policy by AFK scripting in the past. It was bloody well deserved, and I should have known better. We all make mistakes.

[BriarFox]

How much was discussed in outside channels that led to the conversation starting this way:


It really sounds like the warned players were given advanced notice that they were going to be "punished". Of course, if they knew what they were doing was wrong they knew it could catch up to them sooner or later.

Yep, there was a private Discord server, where Wyrom and Naos and Coase pulled everyone aside and said, "If you do this, we're going to give you warnings." And people said, "We're doing this! Let's schedule our warnings for 3 p.m. Friday." And then followed a flurry of cancellations and reschedulings, but it all came out right in the end.


In other words, don't be ridiculous. He knew he was getting a warning because other people had mentioned that they were getting warnings. I have seen three or four logs from Coase now, and he literally gave exactly the same spiel every time. He probably had it scripted.

[Fortybox]

WTF country do you live in?

If Simu gave me a warning when I didn’t do anything wrong I’d call them out. I’d say their evidence is BS and that they had nothing on me.

That’s not happening here and my suspicion is that Simu actually has evidence that they willfully were trying to exploit the bug to their benefit.

Stop deflecting.

[Taernath]

How much was discussed in outside channels that led to the conversation starting this way:


It really sounds like the warned players were given advanced notice that they were going to be "punished". Of course, if they knew what they were doing was wrong they knew it could catch up to them sooner or later.

I have a hard time believing that everyone who was caught up in this just decided to "test" coraesine and other formerly unenchantable materials out of the blue. They're all capped, been playing literal decades, and are experienced enchanters. I don't buy that they didn't know, on some level, this was a bug. I'd love to see the trail of evidence that leads back the the ur-GMAer, but this isn't CSI: Elanthia and we will probably never know.

[BriarFox]

I have a hard time believing that everyone who was caught up in this just decided to "test" coraesine and other formerly unenchantable materials out of the blue. They're all capped, been playing literal decades, and are experienced enchanters. I don't buy that they didn't know, on some level, this was a bug. I'd love to see the trail of evidence that leads back the the ur-GMAer, but this isn't CSI: Elanthia and we will probably never know.

Let me be lucidly honest here. People noticed that coraesine could be enchanted, said, "Huh, that's weird. Is that because of the new enchanting changes? Is it supposed to be enchantable now? Well, may as well enchant this now that I can." What they *didn't* do, and apparently this is a huge crime, is double-check with staff six times before enchanting things. So, the burden was on them to make sure that what the system allowed was what was right -- and that's why the warnings are ridiculous.

[AnOrdim]

Yep, there was a private Discord server, where Wyrom and Naos and Coase pulled everyone aside and said, "If you do this, we're going to give you warnings." And people said, "We're doing this! Let's schedule our warnings for 3 p.m. Friday." And then followed a flurry of cancellations and reschedulings, but it all came out right in the end.

Well there was, until it had to be moved into the "official" Discord. Started by Whirlin, same with the alternative forums they tried to start as well. Don't pretend that HoTA hasn't been balls deep in GM connections from day one.

[BriarFox]

Well there was, until it had to be moved into the "official" Discord. Started by Whirlin, same with the alternative forums they tried to start as well. Don't pretend that HoTA hasn't been balls deep in GM connections from day one.

BRB, have to go bang my GM wife.

[Mobius1]

Let me be lucidly honest here. People noticed that coraesine could be enchanted, said, "Huh, that's weird. Is that because of the new enchanting changes? Is it supposed to be enchantable now? Well, may as well enchant this now that I can." What they *didn't* do, and apparently this is a huge crime, is double-check with staff six times before enchanting things. So, the burden was on them to make sure that what the system allowed was what was right -- and that's why the warnings are ridiculous.

So then you are saying the GMs are not telling the truth? Again, to quote the accusations:

Mazreth says, "Well, since all I have are the notes to go on, I can say that a discussion about intentions to exploit the bug before it was discovered are the primary reason anyone and everyone involoved is getting a warning."

Coase says, "We also, unfortunately, discovered evidence that that you were aware that this was a bug, discussed it with others, did not report it, and continued to abuse it."

They are saying there was more going on than what you are claiming.