My goodbye forever rant

[Gelston]

>
Coase says, "No lockout is being assessed, due to recent good behavior."

So perhaps they did lockout some folks?

[Mobius1]

"Coase says, "We also, unfortunately, discovered evidence that that you were aware that this was a bug, discussed it with others, did not report it, and continued to abuse it."

Well, is this true? He made the accusation and you didn't try to defend it. I'm inclined to believe Coase here.

[m444w]

It's that I'm guessing this damning evidence was taken from the HoA Discord server where we publicly and shamefully admitted our evil ways.

On the HoA server there is a long standing inside joke where we discuss everything from choosing a profession other than Rogue, wearing a tophat, and using 709 as GMA... In fact, we have 9 pages of GMA references going back to 2017.

Someone clearly took something out of context and abused the fact we invited them to our server and participate in the HoA community, and somehow GM's decided that our OOG jokes are worthy of IG warnings.

Just kind of odd to get what amounts to a GS speeding ticket for the "privilege" of beta testing their barely glued-together rollout.

[Sinistra]

I'll add that I also received a warning. Here is my log of the interaction.

A shaft of scintillating light suddenly pierces the ceiling and strikes the ground next to you.  The beam of light then explodes in a shower of sparks and Coase is standing in its place.
>
Coase says, "Hello."
>
Coase says, "I'm sorry for the wait."
>'Hello
You say, "Hello."
>
Coase says, "Unfortunately, I've pulled you up to talk to you regarding a matter of game mechanics abuse."."
>
Coase says, "Http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Help%20for%20Players/Policy%20Discussions/view."
>
Coase says, "In summary, there was a bug that existed in the enchanting system that was introduced a few months ago and was correct in the last week or two."
>
Coase says, "It allowed for the enchanting of materials that should not be allowed be enchanted, to be enchanted with zero difficulty instead."
>
Coase says, "It was fixed and we did a search of items that might have been affected."
>
Coase says, "And we discovered that you were involved in multiple enchantments of these items."
>'Multiple?
You ask, "Multiple?"
>
 * Nitewisper is dust in the wind!
>
Coase says, "A coraesine tetsubo and a krodera falchion."
>
Coase says, "We also, unfortunately, discovered evidence that that you were aware that this was a bug, discussed it with others, did not report it, and continued to abuse it."
>'I thought it was just a krodera weapon in name, not a real one
You say, "I thought it was just a krodera weapon in name, not a real one."
>'Isn't it just a whatever X enchant weapon?
You ask, "Isn't it just a whatever X enchant weapon?"
>
Coase says, "No, it wasn't."
>
Coase says, "I will be issuing you a warning for Game Mechanics Abuse."
>
Coase says, "No lockout is being assessed, due to recent good behavior."
>
Coase says, "All enchanted items affected by this are being reset back to their initial enchantment statistics."
>

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XXXXX, this is your SECOND official warning, that engaging in system mechanics abuse is against GemStone IV policy.  Further warnings could result in your being temporarily locked out of the game.

If you feel this warning was received in error, please speak to a GameHost by typing ASSIST REQUEST.

You can also learn more about GemStone IV policies online, by typing POLICY while in the game or by visiting http://www.play.net/gs4/gamepolicy.asp.



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>'I don't argee with that, but sure.
You say, "I don't argee with that, but sure."
>
Coase says, "I understand."
>
Coase asks, "Do you have any questions for me regarding this matter?"
>'Nope
You say, "Nope."
>
Coase says, "Alright, I will be returning you to the game now.  Please take care to follow POLICY going forward."
>shrug
You shrug.
>
The world grows blurry and indistinct.  After a moment everything becomes clear again.  Looking about, you see...

Thus, they had an inside man listening in on probably Discord. I’m willing to bet a HotA member who also moonlights as a GM.

If anything I would like to think Ragz, O, and now Drauz are innocent by the fact of sheer incompetence in bungling this enterprise. That is to say people who were trying to cheat would not have been so obviously blatant in not trying to hide it.

[Stumplicker]

It's that I'm guessing this damning evidence was taken from the HoA Discord server where we publicly and shamefully admitted our evil ways.

On the HoA server there is a long standing inside joke where we discuss everything from choosing a profession other than Rogue, wearing a tophat, and using 709 as GMA... In fact, we have 9 pages of GMA references going back to 2017.

Someone clearly took something out of context and abused the fact we invited them to our server and participate in the HoA community, and somehow GM's decided that our OOG jokes are worthy of IG warnings.

Just kind of odd to get what amounts to a GS speeding ticket for the "privilege" of beta testing their barely glued-together rollout.

Sounds like it's about time to find out who the GMs in your organization are and get rid of them from your third party chats.

[Methais]

I'll add that I also received a warning. Here is my log of the interaction.

A shaft of scintillating light suddenly pierces the ceiling and strikes the ground next to you.  The beam of light then explodes in a shower of sparks and Coase is standing in its place.
>
Coase says, "Hello."
>
Coase says, "I'm sorry for the wait."
>'Hello
You say, "Hello."
>
Coase says, "Unfortunately, I've pulled you up to talk to you regarding a matter of game mechanics abuse."."
>
Coase says, "Http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Help%20for%20Players/Policy%20Discussions/view."
>
Coase says, "In summary, there was a bug that existed in the enchanting system that was introduced a few months ago and was correct in the last week or two."
>
Coase says, "It allowed for the enchanting of materials that should not be allowed be enchanted, to be enchanted with zero difficulty instead."
>
Coase says, "It was fixed and we did a search of items that might have been affected."
>
Coase says, "And we discovered that you were involved in multiple enchantments of these items."
>'Multiple?
You ask, "Multiple?"
>
 * Nitewisper is dust in the wind!
>
Coase says, "A coraesine tetsubo and a krodera falchion."
>
Coase says, "We also, unfortunately, discovered evidence that that you were aware that this was a bug, discussed it with others, did not report it, and continued to abuse it."
>'I thought it was just a krodera weapon in name, not a real one
You say, "I thought it was just a krodera weapon in name, not a real one."
>'Isn't it just a whatever X enchant weapon?
You ask, "Isn't it just a whatever X enchant weapon?"
>
Coase says, "No, it wasn't."
>
Coase says, "I will be issuing you a warning for Game Mechanics Abuse."
>
Coase says, "No lockout is being assessed, due to recent good behavior."
>
Coase says, "All enchanted items affected by this are being reset back to their initial enchantment statistics."
>

                ***


********************************************************



XXXXX, this is your SECOND official warning, that engaging in system mechanics abuse is against GemStone IV policy.  Further warnings could result in your being temporarily locked out of the game.

If you feel this warning was received in error, please speak to a GameHost by typing ASSIST REQUEST.

You can also learn more about GemStone IV policies online, by typing POLICY while in the game or by visiting http://www.play.net/gs4/gamepolicy.asp.



*************************************************************


>'I don't argee with that, but sure.
You say, "I don't argee with that, but sure."
>
Coase says, "I understand."
>
Coase asks, "Do you have any questions for me regarding this matter?"
>'Nope
You say, "Nope."
>
Coase says, "Alright, I will be returning you to the game now.  Please take care to follow POLICY going forward."
>shrug
You shrug.
>
The world grows blurry and indistinct.  After a moment everything becomes clear again.  Looking about, you see...

It's a good thing you're not Drauz in game!

[Mobius1]

I'm sorry, but enchanting Coraesine is a pretty big deal. It's already a crazy powerful material, and it makes no sense to me that it would be made enchantable. Sure, I wasn't certain myself, but I never really cared much about it, let alone cared about enchanting.

If people knew that it wasn't normally enchantable, and the GMs have good evidence for this, then I really think a warning is being let off easy. I am inclined to take the GMs side on this, due to the huge advantage gained by enchanting Coraesine and/or Zelnorn. I am not so quick to take the side of all the players involved, just because they come on the forums and claim they are innocent of knowing it was a bug.

Now, enchanting krodera is a different matter, and pretty silly to give a warning over, IMO.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If people knew that it wasn't normally enchantable, and the GMs have good evidence for this, then I really think a warning is being let off easy.

Just to be argumentative... can you point to the definitive, SIMU sanctioned documentation of what materials can and cannot be enchanted? If you cannot, it doesn't seem like this is a salient point.

[Methais]

It's that I'm guessing this damning evidence was taken from the HoA Discord server where we publicly and shamefully admitted our evil ways.

Require future members to post on the PC as their main, since GMs aren't supposed to post here and all.

Then require them to run .breakgs as their final task before joining.

[Neovik1]

How does Simu prove that people are who they are on a server they do not control? or were who they were at that moment in time? Just interesting if they really did take any info as evidence from a server that isn't their server.