My goodbye forever rant

[Mobius1]

I still think they had better things to spend their time on than fix a system that wasn't broken. They had even already added benefits for enchanters who hunted.

But I guess that's what happens when GMs work on what they want to, and not so much what needs to be worked on.

[Methais]

I totally understand your point on this, but it's like blaming me for leaving my car unlocked when something got stolen from it. Sure, I was stupid and should have known better - but that doesn't make the criminal any less of a criminal.

Now, if they didn't know that it wasn't some intended change, I can totally see that.

But seeing as no GM has chimed in on this really, we only have one side's word to go on. The side that presents its evidence first always seems right - until the other side makes its case. Again, we simply do not have all the facts here to be maligning the GMs over this. (Though yeah, they certainly need to get their QC act together. Maybe less pay event planning and more QCing?).

Did they ever actually say coraesine shouldn't be enchantable when the changes went live? Because I wouldn't have had a fucking clue. If I had a coraesine item I would have just been like PREP 925 > CAST SWORD > OH COOL CORAESINE IS ENCHANTABLE NOW WHAT A NIFTY UPDATE MAYBE SIMU ISN'T SO GAY AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!1

Because you know, I don't live on Discord 24/7 with my mouth open waiting for a GM to shart down my throat or keep up with every bit of new info that comes out that's buried 873 messages up since last time I logged onto Discord like an hour earlier or whatever.

And even though I really shouldn't anymore because of their god awful track record of incompetence, I typically expect QC to be able to do their jobs right, or at least be able to handle a super simple task like HEY LET'S TRY 925 ON CORAESINE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!!

gg QC, keep failing it up.

And just to nitpick because reasons:

Mazreth says, "Well, since all I have are the notes to go on, I can say that a discussion about intentions to exploit the bug before it was discovered are the primary reason anyone and everyone involoved is getting a warning."

What happened to "We don't discuss disciplinary action of other players."?

[Gelston]

So much whining over a warn. Good god people.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Mazreth says, "Well, since all I have are the notes to go on, I can say that a discussion about intentions to exploit the bug before it was discovered are the primary reason anyone and everyone involoved is getting a warning."

That's some minority report shit right there.

[Taernath]

What happened to "We don't discuss disciplinary action of other players."?

No one was named.

[Gelston]

No one was named.

Yeah, they've discussed punishments for large amounts of unnamed players abusing a bug before. Such as when they banned those retards for abusing the scarab bug and making $15m during the H4H event.

[Whirlin]

Did they ever actually say coraesine shouldn't be enchantable when the changes went live? Because I wouldn't have had a fucking clue. If I had a coraesine item I would have just been like PREP 925 > CAST SWORD > OH COOL CORAESINE IS ENCHANTABLE NOW WHAT A NIFTY UPDATE MAYBE SIMU ISN'T SO GAY AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!1

Regarding enchantability, the only thing I can find is the material difficulty table, which I believe is referenced elsewhere across the wiki:
https://gswiki.play.net/Material
However, whether or not that is GM supported, or old data based on changes, it's absolutely ambiguous.

The only thing I can think of from a QC perspective is that it could have been an omission in the materials table. Imagine having a list of materials like that and then asking someone to confirm, but ohh, one line was missing... What should have been caught would be a novalue command in the lookup to bring in a restriction rather than a 0. But, that's 100% speculation based things I've seen on the job.

I agree with Parkbandit on this one. This doesn't appear to be the whole story... Based on the GM posting, it appears that there were more conditions that are a little weird:
1) Knowledge that the enchanting should have been impossible (This seems to be where a lot of debate is)
2) Not discussing whether the enchanting is possible with GMs, or the bug not being properly reported. (This is also the current area of debate, considering your interpretation of 1)
3) Interfacing with people to capitalize on the enchanting
4) Profiting off of #3

As far as Nuadhja's comments... Yeah, there's about a 100% guarantee that there are GMs in HotA, but they can't say who they are... we used to speculate. But, knowing how much Simu got shit in the past for utilizing LNET and Discord conversation in the past, they'd be super shitty and dumb to utilize that in issuance of a warning.

[Methais]

I doubt any single GM on staff even knows everything about how the spell is meant to function. The utter lack of transparency is wild.

The GMs who created the system barely even know how it works. That first week or two on Discord was overflowing with GM fail.

[Mobius1]

Did they ever actually say coraesine shouldn't be enchantable when the changes went live? Because I wouldn't have had a fucking clue. If I had a coraesine item I would have just been like PREP 925 > CAST SWORD > OH COOL CORAESINE IS ENCHANTABLE NOW WHAT A NIFTY UPDATE MAYBE SIMU ISN'T SO GAY AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!1

Because you know, I don't live on Discord 24/7 with my mouth open waiting for a GM to shart down my throat or keep up with every bit of new info that comes out that's buried 873 messages up since last time I logged onto Discord like an hour earlier or whatever.

And even though I really shouldn't anymore because of their god awful track record of incompetence, I typically expect QC to be able to do their jobs right, or at least be able to handle a super simple task like HEY LET'S TRY 925 ON CORAESINE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!!

gg QC, keep failing it up.

And just to nitpick because reasons:



What happened to "We don't discuss disciplinary action of other players."?

I agree. I sure as hell didn't know whether Coraesine was enchantable. I remember someone asking on Discord and I thought to myself "Hmmm, I don't actually know the answer to that."

I'm also not saying that everyone that got a warning was part of some Cabal trying to make a happy buck off the mistake. But the GMs do claim that that was going on, and if it was, then that is GMA, plain and simple.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, and maybe the GMs really are being ridiculous. But I also am not going to just believe what I am told by all the players involved, either.

[Methais]

So much whining over a warn. Good god people.

It's more about how Simu is just stupid.