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This is the one thing I will grant you- I don't agree with people firing white supremecists from their jobs for attending a rally.Originally Posted by Tgo01
The principles of free speech aren't constrained by the comfort of others.
But you're still a disgusting human being for being so much more concerned about your white supremecist/neo-nazi friends than you are about the people they have hurt and killed.
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To his credit, George W. Bush also went to great lengths to emphasize that we were at war with extremists -- not Muslims. It's not just the right thing to do, framing the argument as a conflict between east and west, or between Christendom and Islam feeds into the propaganda that the terrorists use to recruit. That's the biggest reason Obama rarely said "the magic words."
Trump got the same advice from his military and diplomatic advisers. He just doesn't care about strategy vs. feeding red meat to the far right.
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No Drauz, violence is not violence.
Hate groups are inherently violent- they seek to incite "race wars" and have a long history of killing people, blowing up buildings, hostage situations, and more. They went to that rally looking for a fight, and they made one happen.
Counter protesters who stood up to hate are better people than the people on this forum defending the actions of neo-nazi murderers.
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Hypocrisy is rampant. When you bus people in for 25$ an hour armed with bats bricks and homemade flamethrowers. What where you expecting a kinder party? You feigned innocence is grotesque. You took the party of the middle class and turned it into a circus. Sit in wonder at why you lose election after election. You don't see the problem because you are the problem.
Game, set, match.
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Here is your problem, your side has cried wolf for far to long and gotten away with it. Everyone on the right isn't a nazi/racist. You don't get to take the moral high ground while doing something that is wrong. We generally all agreed that if you live in the US, might doesn't make right. If you disagree with something someone says you can't just beat them up over it, you have to use dialogue.
As much as I disapprove of what they are saying I will fight for their right to say it and not be physically assaulted. Same with crazy feminists shouting patriarchy. Two wrongs don't make a right. You have to be able to separate the two actions and offer your opinions on both. The two subjects aren't exclusive to each other. You can be against violence and also be against racists.
Last edited by drauz; 08-14-2017 at 11:28 PM.
Meh, I'm torn on this issue. On the one hand you want to defend freedom of speech but on the other hand a corporation has to worry about their company's image. What I don't agree with is people just SAYING someone is racist and trying to get someone fired from their job, but these are people who are literally attending a white supremacist rally and shouting hateful and racist shit.
Who said I was "more concerned" much less "much more concerned" about the white supremacists? It's interesting, I have made several posts flat out condemning the hatred and attacks on both sides and I'm a Nazi, but several people have ONLY condemned the hatred and attacks of the white supremacists and these people aren't admonished. In fact, they are encouraged. Things that make you think.
Last edited by Tgo01; 08-14-2017 at 11:32 PM.
Please. When is the last time the KKK killed someone or blew up a building or took someone hostage? Before this car attack of course.
The KKK has a membership of what, like 5000 people across the entire US? Most of which are probably uncover FBI agents. Almost the entire US is strongly opposed to the KKK and their ideals. The KKK is just the left's Boogie Man these days.
What is the big deal that these white supremacists were holding a rally? No, honestly, what's the big fucking deal? Did anyone HAVE to show up to counter protest them? What would have happened if everyone else just stayed at home and rolled their eyes and said "Stupid fucking racists." Well, 3 people would be alive and dozens more would not have been injured. Was it worth it? Did the counter protesters accomplish whatever it was they were hoping to accomplish?
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Cried wolf?
You're sitting in a thread about a white nationalist/neo-nazi/alt-right rally that ended in a neo-nazi ramming his car into dozens of people in an attempt to kill them (succeeding in killing one and injuring 19) and saying that people have been "crying wolf"?
And you've managed to argue that the REAL problem is the left, and the REAL victims are the violent neo-nazis who want to kick everyone out of this country who isn't white- even though they tried to kill dozens of people that day.
It's time to take a good, long look in the mirror and ask yourself how you managed to turn this into a right vs left thing and what you're implicitly arguing about the right.
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Heather Heyer died in a street conflict between gangs that follow extremist ideals, period. She is no hero, she is no victim, she is just another idiot that joined in with other idiots doing idiot things and was killed by another idiot doing idiot things. The only real victims here are the normal people that live in Charlottesville who have to live with these idiots and the 2 cops that died trying to protect the right of these idiots to be idiots.
I can't think of a better time to repeat this, YOU LOST GET OVER IT.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~ Marcus Aurelius“It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“The urge to shout filthy words at the top of his voice was as strong as ever.”
― George Orwell, 1984
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