Fleurs and Krakii on the officials

[phantasm]

I'm posting this here in hopes it will not be noticed by GM's. I plan to get a massive deathsting on all my alts that aren't frequently played. Then I can log them in, hunt once and let it suck in the free lumnis xp for hours.

[Latrinsorm]

Sorry if facts offend some people. But that's most people's problem with Fleurs is they don't like her posting style and they worry more about that than the actual content of her posts. Like I said, it's the whole "It's not what you said it's how you said it." thing. As a woman you should be well versed in this.

I haven't been on the officials in a decade, I've got no dog in the Fleurs race. I'm just observing that what you characterize as "opening the door for discussion" is anything but. People might disagree with you because you tell it like it is and they're wimps, or they might disagree with you because you're just wrong; be careful of telling yourself only stories that have you as the hero.

[Methais]

The problem with Fleurs is her rate of posting and general repetition of the same point over and over.

240 anyone?

The 240 thing was beaten into oblivion because at the time, Estild didn't seem to be listening to anything any of us were saying regarding Immolate being a pile of shit after it was nerfed. Side by side comparisons were made with 519 vs. 240/317/1115, both with combat logs and training requirements that showed how inferior Immolate was. Estild's argument was it's balanced for it to take 3 casts of Immolate vs. one shotting everything with 240/317 because we have Mana Leech. Most of it was predicted from the start when the nerfs and ELR details were announced last summer, only to be completely ignored and then proven true when the nerfs went live.

I was probably just as repetitive as she was during all that, and for good reason, since GMs just didn't seem to get it at the time (or if they did they had a weird way of acknowledging it), but she was able to articulate it better plus she has more knowledge of other classes than I do to make better comparisons with, and raised a lot of valid points that would have otherwise never surfaced to begin with...like the whole 240 thing. 512 also, as Fleurs made the case more than anyone for wizards getting a CS based mass disabler, and that spell is awesome as fuck.

I'm not saying she's a model poster or anything, we're all fucked one way or another, but she knows what she's talking about as far as game mechanics go and if you can look past her posting style you'll find a lot of good information and reasonable points being made most of the time, and her suggested fixes are usually within reason and address a problem issue without being OP.

Imagine where wizards would be right now if we just took the nerfs sitting down and nobody raised hell over it. The 520 buff probably wouldn't have happened for one, since the only thing done to 520 in the ELR was giving it shitty reactive flares. Now it's an entirely new spell that's a million times better and a massive buff to wizard survivability. If that was part of the original plan then it would have been done during the ELR instead of giving it a useless flare, only to revamp the whole thing almost a year later.

I'm not saying that any one person is responsible for getting us post-nerf buffs, as plenty of other knowledgeable wizards raised hell and added a lot of good stuff to the conversation too (Whirlin, Dionket, etc.), but at the same time, if those issues were brought up only once and never repeated, it most likely would have gotten buried/ignored and gone nowhere and we'd be just as fucked today as we were the day the nerfs went live.

And on top of all that, we had to deal with Krakii cancering everything up too.

In the end, Estild and Konacon and them came through for the most part (though ironically nothing for Immolate yet aside from a slight concussion damage buff shortly after the nerfs rolled out, but I think it'll get something within the next year), and while still lacking a reliable single target killer at cap, wizards are in a much better place than we were when the nerfs went live in January, and we still have new 917 to look forward to, which was pretty awesome on the test server, and I don't recall that being listed as part of the ELR.

Sometimes being repetitive is what's needed, at least in the wizard folder during all that bullshit. I don't keep up with most other folders on the officials. I can't speak for anyone else, but I would have much rather spent all that time actually playing the game instead of making the case for wizards on the forums after Simu gave us the cactus dildo treatment, but those nerfs were pretty crippling when they first came out.

Know what pisses me off though? Gil is a pain in the fucking ass to earn on FFXV.

[Methais]

We have a 20% gap from 20844 to 26244 or whatever. I just cant believe we peaked on try #1 with that much ceiling available. The delta from top to bottom isnt maasive so its reasonable we could hit the higher range of 22K next time.

Max logic enhancives arent required but it seems like a max logic burghal gnome fed gems is the 26000 rating.

As a giantman warrior i figure 22.5 would be around my high end yield.

I figure someone good with excel and math could formula out all the log/disc race combinations as an XP maximizer.

I've just never seen a 1st run set the maximum bar before so its a strange stance to take. I get the reasoning. Fleurs 4 character and others like her are out so we'll trend down, but that isnt supported by human behavior and you general law of averages.

I just don't see the top earners willing to put in the work again just to be rewarded with a plate of meh, especially when they're investing more than just time like lazy exp people like me would be doing. I might be wrong but I still say the average is gonna drop significantly in March.

I haven't been on the officials in a decade, I've got no dog in the Fleurs race. I'm just observing that what you characterize as "opening the door for discussion" is anything but. People might disagree with you because you tell it like it is and they're wimps, or they might disagree with you because you're just wrong; be careful of telling yourself only stories that have you as the hero.

When people worry about how someone is posting more than the points being made in the post, they're doing it wrong.

Emotion vs. logic and all that.

[neimanz1]

Yea I definitely wouldn't do it again

[Mogonis]

I'm posting this here in hopes it will not be noticed by GM's. I plan to get a massive deathsting on all my alts that aren't frequently played. Then I can log them in, hunt once and let it suck in the free lumnis xp for hours.

Hopefully you're the same person who mentioned this on LNet, and we already told you how stupid this idea is.

[Methais]

I'm posting this here in hopes it will not be noticed by GM's. I plan to get a massive deathsting on all my alts that aren't frequently played. Then I can log them in, hunt once and let it suck in the free lumnis xp for hours.

You have to be in the top 50 exp earners to contribute to the average, in case you were thinking that tanking your own exp would have any effect in March.

[Androidpk]

I'm posting this here in hopes it will not be noticed by GM's. I plan to get a massive deathsting on all my alts that aren't frequently played. Then I can log them in, hunt once and let it suck in the free lumnis xp for hours.

GMs read the PC and Wyrom posts here now.

[Alashir]

I don't know that krakii ever had meaningful input on game mechanics / design. Just events, people / characters that played 30 years ago, and "well...in rolemaster...."

Still useful...ish.

Also, it's possible for krakii and fleurs to be idiots. I mean fleurs is complaining about the average being what...2k or less than the absolute max anyone got, which is apparently still higher than basically anyone has ever realistically attained and will continue to be that number for the next 12 lumnis cycles, without having to use any of the boosts/resources that were required to invest to attain that number.

But this is why the contest was a dumb idea. They should have just made it a static 25k bonus exp. Round number, near the theoretical max (that no one has apparently ever even really come close to), no drama. So its artificially high...oh no, an extra ~3-4k exp a week. Game's broken guys, pack it up.

I didn't understand the contest either and also don't understand why three didn't just throw the max out there and let everyone benefit from a little extra xp a week. Too easy? Not complicated enough?

[Methais]

I didn't understand the contest either and also don't understand why three didn't just throw the max out there and let everyone benefit from a little extra xp a week. Too easy? Not complicated enough?

What I don't get is why it's called a contest instead of a leaderboard. Semantics yeah, but contests typically have winners and losers. In this case the "winners" lose and the "losers" win.