More Obamacare fuckups

[Wrathbringer]

Alright, you want single payer. Nothing else suffices. Again, are you going to vote for Bernie Sanders? Because no other candidate, Republican or Democrat, is going to push for it.

Lol you still think the person in office matters. That's cute.

[Wrathbringer]

Again, you want single-payer. I never pegged you for a socialist, but you pretty much are one based on your argument. And yet, you refuse to say whether you will vote for the one candidate who would push for it. So, as usual, you whine and complain, but you don't take action in accordance with your beliefs. No surprise.



You say Obamacare is worse than nothing. Define nothing. No insurance at all? Or the system prior to ACA?

You still view voting as "taking action." That's precious.

[Wrathbringer]

Healthcare reform did two things for me.

1. My wife has a pre-existing condition and we paid $1500 per month for insurance at one point before reform. The changes forced student health insurance to cover prescription medication in a real way and allowed her to finish her doctorate. It's also nice to know that some kind of professional catastrophe wouldn't risk our access to affordable (i.e., <$1500 per month) insurance.

2. Several of my close friends didn't have health insurance prior to ACA. This was dangerous. They've been forced into getting insurance with subsidies and they actually go to the doctor when something is wrong now.

Wait, you're a dude? Gelston was right. There are no women on the internet.

[Wrathbringer]

This is why, despite my issues with Obamacare, I would not undo it. It certainly needs changes (and I do not claim to have all the answers), but undoing it is the wrong choice. The thought of people not going to a doctor when they clearly need to is chilling.

Aren't you older? You're a candidate for death panels to refuse your care due to limited resources. Bet you change your mind then. Of course, by then it's too late for you and everyone else your age. At least the roads will be safer once we begin to euthanize everyone as they approach retirement age. Should drop healthcare costs for the young, too, since we won't be wasting money on old people. Even makes social security last longer due to less oldsters. You really think this won't happen? Okay. Well, if you like your plan and doctor, you can keep them, too. Obummer said so.

[Silvean]

Wait, you're a dude? Gelston was right. There are no women on the internet.

If it makes a difference, I'm an especially pretty dude.

[Kembal]

As far as I can tell the IPAB is tasked with finding ways to cut Medicare spending.

Yeah. It aims at providers to make them reduce their costs and thus reduce their Medicare billing. That info will be accessible to the insurance companies, so they can demand similar reductions (and they'll ask). The question will be if it reduces premiums. Presumably, it would, since premiums are tied to MLR. It'll require serious oversight of the insurance companies though.

I just think Obamacare is that fucking useless.

It doesn't do shit in regards to the supposed goal it set out to do, which was to bring healthcare costs down. It just spreads healthcare costs to everyone so healthcare costs are artificially lower for some people, stays the same for some, and in fact goes up for others.

So if health care costs go up less than the rate of inflation (which means a decrease in real terms), that's not good enough for you?

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah. It aims at providers to make them reduce their costs and thus reduce their Medicare billing. That info will be accessible to the insurance companies, so they can demand similar reductions (and they'll ask). The question will be if it reduces premiums. Presumably, it would, since premiums are tied to MLR. It'll require serious oversight of the insurance companies though.



So if health care costs go up less than the rate of inflation (which means a decrease in real terms), that's not good enough for you?

The way they calculate inflation is a joke. If you've not seen what they don't include, you should check it out.

[Tgo01]

So if health care costs go up less than the rate of inflation (which means a decrease in real terms), that's not good enough for you?

Just stop. Stop acting like you give a shit about people struggling in this country then say stupid shit like this.

I'm sure the person working at McDonald's and not getting a salary increase to match inflation will just love to know that in "real terms" their healthcare is getting cheaper.

[Kembal]

Just stop. Stop acting like you give a shit about people struggling in this country then say stupid shit like this.

I'm sure the person working at McDonald's and not getting a salary increase to match inflation will just love to know that in "real terms" their healthcare is getting cheaper.

Pass a minimum wage increase. I'm already on record pushing for that.

What you want is a total decrease in health care costs. Single payer wipes out the insurance companies, which is a start. IPAB has a shot at reducing costs, which goes further. But you want affordable healthcare for everybody. The only way to guarantee that is a National Health Service like the UK or something similar to Canada's system. You ok with taxes going up to pay for that? On who should the tax increase fall?

[Tgo01]

Pass a minimum wage increase. I'm already on record pushing for that.

Or maybe we should stop cheering bullshit legislation like Obamacare.

IPAB has a shot at reducing costs, which goes further.

IPAB ain't gonna do shit.

You ok with taxes going up to pay for that?

Yes.

On who should the tax increase fall?

You.